The Inevitable Thread: A 2nd set of Force of Wills OR a first set of LED's?

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Well, the title is the thread. I have 8 Forces and no LED's. Do you believe it would be smarter to keep the extra Forces or get the Diamonds? I do have the interest in playing storm, I just want to make sure I make a well-informed decision. Please, discuss!

-ABC

[bfeingersh]

Diversify and stop hoarding legacy staples

[Megadeus]

Id get LEDs. No reason to have 8 FoWs and Storm is a lot of fun to play. Also LED is a RL Staple so they wont be reprinted, while force has a Small Chance of seeing a reprint.

[jamesh]

only danger is possible banning of LED in legacy - it's the most powerful card in the format

(also card is at all time high in terms of price)

[feline]

Diversify and stop hoarding legacy staples

I don't know why, but that's both awesome & hilarious to read, because it's just so straight and to the point "No You!!!!! Get those LED's & Play fair with those Forces" is basically what it screamed in my head.

Anyhow, get LED's, before they hit 200.00$

[phazonmutant]

Anyhow, get LED's, before they hit 200.00$

Scary thought. Although it's true that reserve list cards rarely decrease more than 25% in price, if that.

[jandax]

They're more likely to reprint FoW than ban LED. It's all been said in this thread, time to lock it

[kiblast]

Even from an economical point of view, diversifying is almost always better than hoarding unless you have some insight information / really good bargain. You never know what's going to happen with Fow and Led. Maybe you hold onto your 2nd set of Fow and they reprint it. Maybe you sell/trade the second set, get leds, and then they ban leds. So it's better to diversify to minimize your possible loss.

It really depends on a lot of factors like if you are willing and able to play storm, if you have more than 1 Ubased deck built at the same time, if you lend cards for tournaments to friends, etc.


To me, there is no point into hoarding more than one set of a card. Unless its a niche obscure card you know someone will break soon or later.

[cogitoergosum]

Is this a serious question? Get LED so you can play more decks.

[bfeingersh]

I don't know why, but that's both awesome & hilarious to read, because it's just so straight and to the point "No You!!!!! Get those LED's & Play fair with those Forces" is basically what it screamed in my head.

Anyhow, get LED's, before they hit 200.00$

I mean, while I don't think TC is necessarily being malicious by having 8 forces, I think certain people hoarding multiple playsets of crucial format staples is one of the major impediments to people picking up the format :/

[allek]

Get LEDs, they will never be reprinted whereas FOW is highly likely to come as a judge promo or in a new set to keep Modern in check.

[goblinsplayer]

Get the leds. Force will likely see a reprint and diamonds dont have too much of a chance of getting banned. It doesn't meet all the categories that is required to ban a card.

[Arsenal]

Is this a serious question? Get LED so you can play more decks.

This. LED is a staple of Legacy and it will open up the possibility of playing virtually any combo deck you want. If nothing else, LED > FoW in terms of current value, so if you're into speculating, LED is better for that.

[JamieW89]

LED:
+You can play extra decks.
+Unlikely reprint.
-More likely to be banned.

FoW:
+Can play 2 blue decks without switching cards.
+Unlikely to get banned.
-More likely (but not that likely) to be reprinted.

I'd go with the LEDs myself.

[Basaka]

I mean, while I don't think TC is necessarily being malicious by having 8 forces, I think certain people hoarding multiple playsets of crucial format staples is one of the major impediments to people picking up the format :/

Well I've got 2 playsets of forces but that's because I have 3 complete decks built and constantly lend them out for legacy tournaments. So hoarding isn't a bad thing if you do plan to use them all

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Wow, thank you for your overwhelming response, and also a very decisive answer. what would be the best method of getting the most out of them, trading or ebay? Would 4 for 4 straight across be a fair trade, or where should I go for a fair price guide?

[Arsenal]

Wow, thank you for your overwhelming response, and also a very decisive answer. what would be the best method of getting the most out of them, trading or ebay? Would 4 for 4 straight across be a fair trade, or where should I go for a fair price guide?

LED's are worth substantially more than FoW, so I would definitely not go straight 1-for-1 on them. Use TCG median prices as a starting point, then go from there.

[nedleeds]

LEDs being $200 reduces the chance of it being banned. If a major legacy event ever took place with > 50% LED decks it would be banned shortly there after. The things keeping combo in check are mostly not related to it's strength against a field but other factors. Cost, play skill (belcher aside), and the derth of players who actually want to play games of Magic: The Gathering during the course of the tourney.

[bfeingersh]

Well I've got 2 playsets of forces but that's because I have 3 complete decks built and constantly lend them out for legacy tournaments. So hoarding isn't a bad thing if you do plan to use them all

Yeah, that's perfectly reasonable. Whenever I have 4 of a legacy staple I quickly try to ship them, especially since there are still some I own 0 of and would like to play decks with (have surplus trops, but own no tundras :frown:)

[nedleeds]

I mean, while I don't think TC is necessarily being malicious by having 8 forces, I think certain people hoarding multiple playsets of crucial format staples is one of the major impediments to people picking up the format :/

I have 17 wastelands, 10 city of traitors, 9 ancient tombs (and I'm currently nugging 2 koreen ones from a friend), I own at least 10 of all the zendifetches ... does that make me an impediment? What am I supposed to do? Donate cards to local poor people?

[Secretly.A.Bee]

I have 17 wastelands, 10 city of traitors, 9 ancient tombs (and I'm currently nugging 2 koreen ones from a friend), I own at least 10 of all the zendifetches ... does that make me an impediment? What am I supposed to do? Donate cards to local poor people?

Dude, that's not collecting, that's what is referred to as 'compensating'. I own 8 Deltas, 4 o which are signed. I do have both decked.

I think this is becoming a bit too random.

QAPC, THANK YOU.

[Mister M.]

I have 17 wastelands, 10 city of traitors, 9 ancient tombs (and I'm currently nugging 2 koreen ones from a friend), I own at least 10 of all the zendifetches ... does that make me an impediment? What am I supposed to do? Donate cards to local poor people?

You are absolutely not supposed to do anything. But you neither can play more than four copies of a card nor more than one deck at once. So one could reason that getting rid of your fifth+ copy of a "legacy staple" would be benificial to you for different reasons: 1) you will be making money 2) Keeping cards in circulation allowing more people to play the format you love and thus 3) securing the long term value of your cards by keeping the format alive.

If you are an investor and are speculating to turn your cards into even more money in the future, or you are too lazy to switch cards between different decks or if you are constantly lending cards to other players, in my book that's fine, too (no sarcasm intended). But since you asked...

Best

[nedleeds]

@ 1) I'm not an investor. I don't need the money (I mean I could use a billion dollars, but 10-20k in cashed out magic cards won't affect my life).

@ 2) My supply isn't enough to impact the market.

@ 3) The format will die based on Wizards desire to have it die or not die not me.

I just have them because I like them. Value? Because I'm too lazy to de-sleeve and sometimes make 2-3 legacy decks. Because I like T-Chinese, Korean and German and sometimes just can't decide which ones to keep or because I like using snapcasters as coasters.

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[Lemnear]

2 Pages in this thread and i'm already disgusted.

Thankfully Bazaar of Moxen is in a few days and i'm cashing out most of my unneeded cards and Foil/Beta Vintage cards atm