[deck] Landstill from 2006 to 2013 - is that a real deal?

[Supremacy]

Hey,
I played Landstill since 2004 till 2009 but i quit playing at 2010 but now is the meta weird to me and i got no clue if the deck works anymore.
I mixed up a few new Cards in my deck who´s are needed to play in my opinion, and take rest of them of my old deck (the good old ones^^)

anyway here is the list, plz give me some feed back to this, maybe from some active player =P

4x Tundra
4x Flooded Strand
4x Mishra´s Factory
3x wasteland
3x Island
2x Plaine
1x Academy Ruins
1x Hallowed Fontain

4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
3x Counterspell
2x Manaleak
2x Spell pierce
4x Swords to plowshares
2x Enlightning Tutor
2x Wrath of God
2x Supreme Verdict

4x Standstill
1x Moat
1x Humility

2x Cruisble of Worlds
1x Neviyralls disk

3x Jace, Mind Scultper
2x Elspeth, Knight-Errant

On the sideboard i will add some local meta choices like:
Cop:red
Pithing needle
2 more E Tutor + toolbox
maybe counterbalance + top

i really got no clue

Greets

[HPB_Eggo]

You need to take a look into Terminus and Entreat the Angels.

Actually, just look at the whole Miracle Control (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?20529-DTB-Miracle-Control) thread, you'll get a pretty solid understanding of current control decks if you wander through it.

It's not Landstill, but a lot of the discussion there is very relevant to a Landstill deck.

Alternatively, consider going BUG for Abrupt Decay and whatnot. You can wander over to this thread (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?23429-DTB-Team-America-(Midrange-Control-Thread)) for a lot of good discussion on that.

Again not Landstill, but Standstill as a card is no longer particularly great as of the moment, so you should probably look into cutting it and running a similar deck without Standstills.

[baghdadbob]

I can't imagine it's not right to just be playing 4x supreme verdict. Wrath just seems so pointless, no one is playing meddling mage.

[(nameless one)]

I think Stoneblade decks are closer to Landstill blades than Miracles. Miracles evolved from CounterTop Bant decks.

Stoneblade decks somehow evolved from Landstill decks, trading Standstill to Stoneforge Mystic + toolbox.

Also, the playstyle is the same. Miracles is more of a lockdown deck while Stoneblade is the "answer" deck.

[Viridia]

Or you could check out and post in either the UW or BUG landstill thread,. Especially the BUG threat is still active.

[Supremacy]

I wont spend much money into a deck that is possibly dead and i like this miracle controll pile,
but i dont understand at this moment, why is the miracle a good deck and that Landstill who is controlling hard not even playable?

Yes of course that is not the best list, because i dind´t know the meta at all, but noone of you think it can works anyhow? (hope dies at least^^)

Greetz

[phazonmutant]

I think Stoneblade decks are closer to Landstill blades than Miracles. Miracles evolved from CounterTop Bant decks.

Stoneblade decks somehow evolved from Landstill decks, trading Standstill to Stoneforge Mystic + toolbox.

Also, the playstyle is the same. Miracles is more of a lockdown deck while Stoneblade is the "answer" deck.

Just nitpicking, but Miracles evolved from Mons, Goblin Raiders Caw Cartel deck and its update from AVR. I'm friends with the initial people who popularized it in the states which happened before it got big in Europe I believe, so I'm fairly confident that's accurate.
To wit, alphastryk had been playing/tweaking Carsten's list from the article, then shipped a decklist to Shawn French. He didn't feel like playing with Hawks and randomly pulled cards out of his box to make his sideboard, then casually top4'd the Orlando open.



Hey,
I played Landstill since 2004 till 2009 but i quit playing at 2010 but now is the meta weird to me and i got no clue if the deck works anymore.
I mixed up a few new Cards in my deck who´s are needed to play in my opinion, and take rest of them of my old deck (the good old ones^^)

anyway here is the list, plz give me some feed back to this, maybe from some active player =P


I think you'll find that the format as a whole has gotten faster. The aggressive decks have better quality one-drops and the combo decks are more explosive. Miracles is good because it can actually lock down the game with a counterbalance then combo-kill the opponent with Entreat or Rest in Peace + Helm of Obedience. BUG control isn't really doing all that well, but BUG tempo or midrange is doing ok.

I'm not convinced Standstill is bad, the question is how to rebuild old decks to maximize it.

First, it seems like you have way too many non-u lands in your build. Ruins is just excessive and I'm not sure you actually need the second plains. Also, you definitely want more like 6-8 fetches over some number of duals and the Hallowed Fountain. 6 is a minimum to maximize Brainstorm.

Pretty sure you can't afford that many 2cmc counterspells. Trim some number of leaks and counterspells for Snare, it's very well positioned right now.

I think if you're playing Standstill, Top is a good card to help control your draws under the Standstill anyway, so it makes sense to me to have 3ish Terminus over WoG and perhaps a Verdict or two. WoG is sadly outdated. That could potentially allow you to play a Counterbalance in the main to tutor for, although that doesn't work so well with Standstill itself.

Overall it seems like you have too many 3 and 4 drops. I would try to trim a Crucible, the E-Tutor package, and/or 1-2 Elspeth. Elspeth isn't as good as she used to be. Nev's disk also doesn't play nice with your 4cmc enchantments, so you should probably play an Engineered Explosives over it.

[Supremacy]

sounds legit and i even don´t know that terminus exist^^, is a pretty strong removal and i dind´t know if the e-explosives are still that much important.
I try´d to obey all your tips and what do you think is about this?
With my meta knowledge, what about zero, i would go to tournaments with this deck.

4x Tundra
4x Flooded Strand
2x Polluted Delta
4x Mishra´s Factory
3x wasteland
4x Island
1x Plains
1x Hallowed Fontain

4x Force of Will
4x Brainstorm
3x Counterspell
3x Spell snare
4x Swords to plowshares
3x Terminus
4x Sensei´s diving top
2x Cruicible of Worlds
4x Standstill
3x Counterbalance
2x Humility
2x jace, the mindsculpter

Greetz

[Chimera87]

I don't think you need the Hallowed Fountain. I don't even think 4 Tundra is necessary.
I'd try to fit in a Karakas and 1 land that works under a Choke, i.e. Mystic Gate, Glacial Fortress or Celestial Colonnade.
You definitely want to run 3 - 4 Jaces and perhaps even an Elspeth. Also take a look at Snapcaster Mage and Vendilion Clique.

[Arsenal]

I can't imagine it's not right to just be playing 4x supreme verdict. Wrath just seems so pointless, no one is playing meddling mage.

Thrun is still a thing in Maverick and in some Junk/Jund sideboards. A 1/3 or 2/2 split between Wrath and Verdict seems reasonable.

[Einherjer]

Thrun is still a thing in Maverick and in some Junk/Jund sideboards. A 1/3 or 2/2 split between Wrath and Verdict seems reasonable.

No, the fuck. No and never. Thrun is no reason to play Wrath of God! While playing less than 4 Supreme Verdict may be right in some way ( though I don't think it is) Splitting is just outright dumb.

Greetings

[Arsenal]

No, the fuck. No and never. Thrun is no reason to play Wrath of God! While playing less than 4 Supreme Verdict may be right in some way ( though I don't think it is) Splitting is just outright dumb.

Greetings

So, when Nic Fit/Jund/Junk/Maverick cast Thrun, you're cool with Supreme Verdict? Against non-blue decks, WoG > Supreme Verdict. Against blue decks, Supreme Verdict > WoG. The meta right now has a ton of BGx decks running around, some with Thrun maindeck, others with him in the SB; having a 1-of WoG doesn't seem unreasonable at all. Please explain to me why you NEED 4x Supreme Verdict in this meta.

[Einherjer]

So, when Nic Fit/Jund/Junk/Maverick cast Thrun, you're cool with Supreme Verdict? Against non-blue decks, WoG > Supreme Verdict. Against blue decks, Supreme Verdict > WoG. The meta right now has a ton of BGx decks running around, some with Thrun maindeck, others with him in the SB; having a 1-of WoG doesn't seem unreasonable at all. Please explain to me why you NEED 4x Supreme Verdict in this meta.

Thrun is by no means a relevant creature any more. It was one, while Maverick was "dat deck" - since it has been outclassed by the BGx decks Thrun is a noone. At the GP Strasbourg, where I've played Miracles (yes I know, Terminus deals with Thrun in any way) I did not come across a single Thrun. Thrun is a fringe-sideboardcard. BGx decks don't run GSZ.

So could you atleast tell me a valid reason why I'd have to run Wrath? Lol.

Btw, BUG / RUG / BURG Delver are real decks. I'd rather prepare against DECKS than against FRINGECARDS. Sorry bro.

Greetings

[Arsenal]

Thrun is by no means a relevant creature any more. It was one, while Maverick was "dat deck" - since it has been outclassed by the BGx decks Thrun is a noone. At the GP Strasbourg, where I've played Miracles (yes I know, Terminus deals with Thrun in any way) I did not come across a single Thrun. Thrun is a fringe-sideboardcard. BGx decks don't run GSZ.

BGx decks don't run GSZ? Nic Fit says "Hi". Also, I don't think Thrun is as "fringe" as you claim:

Maindeck since RtR: http://tcdecks.net/busqueda.php?token=Decks&tname=&nlow=0&nhigh=0&dlow=5&mlow=10&ylow=2012&dhigh=0&mhigh=0&yhigh=0&player=&dname=&format=Legacy&aname=&main=thrun%2C+the+last+troll&nomain=&side=&noside=&strict=on

Sideboard since RtR: http://tcdecks.net/busqueda.php?token=Decks&tname=&nlow=0&nhigh=0&dlow=5&mlow=10&ylow=2012&dhigh=0&mhigh=0&yhigh=0&player=&dname=&format=Legacy&aname=&main=&nomain=&side=thrun%2C+the+last+troll&noside=&strict=on

[Einherjer]

So NicFit is your Argument?
Discussion ended.
Greetings