[DECK] Fatestitcher Orb Combo

[Mr. Froggy]

Creatures
4 Fatestitcher
1 Karmic Guide
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
3 Narcomoeba
1 Pestermite


Spells
4 Brainstorm
1 Dread Return
4 Force of Will
4 Intuition
3 Ponder
4 Thirst for Knowledge


Artifacts
2 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
4 Mesmeric Orb


Lands
1 Academy Ruins
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
7 Island
1 Mishra's Factory
3 Wasteland


Sideboard
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Dread Return
3 Propaganda
1 Chalice of the Void
4 Tangle Wire
4 Tormod's Crypt

This is a deck I built c. 09 (ie: when I sucked at Legacy), and was wondering if it were possible to bring it back for an update. If I remember, it was sorta-good because of its speed and protection, but maybe that was because I used to play on MWS, and most people sucked on MWS back then.

If I were to update it, I would probably run Careful Studies, cut random cards like Mishra's Factory (wth was I thinking?) and what-not.

Thoughts?

[HPB_Eggo]

Quite interesting. From what I can see, mill yourself, DR Karmic Guide with Narcomoeba targeting Kiki, Karmic Guide token targets Pestermite, go infinite with tokens and win?

Similar to Cephalid Breakfast and a host of other mill yourself decks, but I've never seen an option quite like this one. Does it have any alternate win conditions?

As to cards themselves, Chalice and Factory both stand out immediately as things to get cut. Factor itself won't be doing much, if anything, for the deck, and Chalice messes up Ponder/Brainstorm, making it practically a dead card.

I suppose, alternatively, you could try running the deck without any CMC one spells, but finding more alternatives for Ponder and Brainstorm might be difficult.

[Mr. Froggy]

That's exactly what it's supposed to do :P

Also, yeah, you're right about Chalice and things, I don't know what I was thinking, lol.

I want to keep BS and Ponder, I feel like I need more protection though, maybe Daze/Misdirection?

[HPB_Eggo]

I can agree with the extra protection, but you probably don't want to try supporting both Chrome Mox, Force, and Misdirection. If the deck involved getting tons of cards into hand when you were going off it might work out, but it seems like with all three as is you'll be choosing between going off and protecting your combo, which isn't really a choice you want to be making.

On the plus side, the combo itself doesn't require much investment in terms of mana, so you might want to look into Spell Pierce or something of that sort. Daze could also work, but I have a feeling Pierce will be better.

Also also, after trying the deck a handful of times I'm going to agree heavily with the inclusion of Careful Study. Without it Intuition is not particularly amazing, but with it Intuition always gets three cards you want in the bin in the bin. You might also look into running Thought Scour/Top, although my first impression is that it won't be as good as Ponder/BS/Intuition/Careful Study.

Going to put some more time into playing this at some point and I'll get back to you with some more concrete feedback and such.

[Mr. Froggy]

How fast have you been able to combo off with it? If I remember, it could go off T2 or such, right? Or was it better to hold off a bit, and then go for it?

Mind sharing what it is you have now?

[Opaco]

Being a Mesmeric Orb combo deck, without having been even close to test it, I need to suggest trying to add Basalt Monolith as an aditional noncreature way to mill yourself and to increase the speed, as sol land into Mesmeric -> land into Basalt is more compact that any way of unearthing Fatestitchers. Also I cannot think of reason to not switch the win over the more robust Angel of Glory's Rise -> Azami, Lady of Scrolls & Laboratory Maniac.

[KazinMtg]

Being a Mesmeric Orb combo deck, without having been even close to test it, I need to suggest trying to add Basalt Monolith as an aditional noncreature way to mill yourself and to increase the speed, as sol land into Mesmeric -> land into Basalt is more compact that any way of unearthing Fatestitchers. Also I cannot think of reason to not switch the win over the more robust Angel of Glory's Rise -> Azami, Lady of Scrolls & Laboratory Maniac.

So like a mix between 4 horsemen and oops all spells? This actually sounds kinda fancy.

[Mr. Froggy]

Being a Mesmeric Orb combo deck, without having been even close to test it, I need to suggest trying to add Basalt Monolith as an aditional noncreature way to mill yourself and to increase the speed, as sol land into Mesmeric -> land into Basalt is more compact that any way of unearthing Fatestitchers. Also I cannot think of reason to not switch the win over the more robust Angel of Glory's Rise -> Azami, Lady of Scrolls & Laboratory Maniac.

I had actually thought of Monolith instead, but what I did like of the Fatestitchers were the ability to use them from the grave. Intuition=>Fatestitcher=>Unearth=>untap land/mox=>unearth=>win, but yeah that is a bit convoluted, lol.

[Opaco]

So like a mix between 4 horsemen and oops all spells? This actually sounds kinda fancy.

Exactly. As I recall Four Horsemen was the best deck abusing Mesmeric Orb, so why not start with that and see if the Fatestichter+Intuition is a better replacement or running both gives it enough consistence to make it playable again, even if the original highly resistant kill is forbidden now and needs to be changed to the next best all-in-the-graveyard wincon avalaible, which All Spells players have more or less agreed that is the Azami package.

For reference:

Alchemist Orb (UG Combo) (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?24812-Alchemist-Orb-(UG-Combo))
The Four Horsemen - Orb/Monolith (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?21377-Deck-The-Four-Horsemen-Orb-Monolith)

[Mr. Froggy]

I was thinking of keeping them both in, but maybe that's too much?

[Mr. Froggy]

I'm going to proxy the deck I think, and try it out. I think it could be fun.

[rufus]

There's an old thread about this concept:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?12054-Deck-Mesmeric-Orb-Fatesticher

[Mr. Froggy]

I guess there is :O I thought I was on to something, lol.

[rufus]

I guess there is :O I thought I was on to something, lol.

Doesn't mean you have to stop development.

[Mr. Froggy]

Yeah, I know what you mean, lol.