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BooleanLobster
05-10-2013, 03:22 PM
This idea has been rolling around in my head for a while. It is assuredly bad, but the humor value is tremendous.

Start with the standard disruption and creature package in Bg:

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf

4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Liliana of the Veil

4 Wasteland
18 other lands, mostly black

Needs 16 more cards. Add white for Stoneforge Mystic and Lingering Souls, red for burn, or blue for awesome.

...Brilliant! Instant tier 1 deck!



Or add this:

4 Augur of Skulls
4 Dream Salvage
4 Undying Evil
4 Shriekmaw

"Stop that immediately! This is Legacy - you have to play good cards."

I know I know I know, but hear me out: Augur of Skulls + Undying Evil is savage. Augur of Skulls + Dream Salvage is a beating. Augur of Skulls + Undying Evil + Dream Salvage is... a savage beating. Undying Evil + Shriekmaw is brutal - 2 cards and 3 mana to kill two creatures and get a 4/3 fear. If they try to kill your Augur/Shriekmaw with Undying Evil on the stack, you sac Augur in response/let it happen, effectively trading their instant-speed removal for only your Undying Evil. Even when you can't assemble these combos, Augur of Skulls is a 2 mana discard 2, Shriekmaw is a 2 mana sorcery terror, and Undying Evil saves target Lhurgoyf. Not great, but far from dead.

Dream Salvage is strong with Hymn as well as Augur. Outside of those 8 targets, it's dead. What do you expect from a 1 mana draw 2?

Sideboard:
Kitchen Finks - stall against fast aggro until you flop the SuperShriek on the table
Sinkhole - keep control off their 4 mana bombs until you empty their hand with discard
Thoughtseize - against combo, side out cuteness for more discard
Putrid Leech - against combo, side out cuteness for more clock

Green might not be the correct second color. Blue for Brainstorm would help smooth draws in a deck that tries to assemble mini-combos, but then I don't have a good way to actually kill my opponent. Monoblack is possible with Phyrexian Obliterator as the finisher, but then without DRS and 'Goyf on 1 and 2, the deck is much weaker early. Red can do some nasty tricks with Undying Evil, like Inner-Flame Acolyte and Keldon Marauders, but then the discard package no longer fits.

Maybe this should be a Modern deck. Wrench Mind does a reasonable Hymn impersonation. Wastelands become real lands, or 1 mana discard spells, or Putrid Leeches or something.

I hope this made you chuckle, at least.

HPB_Eggo
05-10-2013, 05:18 PM
Outside of Hymn, entirely Modern legal. That's where I would play it, most likely.

TBH, though, that Shriekmaw/Undying Evil setup is pretty amazing. Probably about on par with Gatekeeper, even considering the extra card.

EDIT: Only just realized that you suggested it as a Modern deck at the end. Need to remember to read more than the list and card interactions... :(

KazinMtg
05-11-2013, 09:47 PM
Extremely cute. I love it. I actually want to throw this together now just for the funsies. It's pretty spot on with what it wants to do, my only suggestion would probably be 2 sylvan library. With a decent amount of fetches, they're a house. They help a ton with bob, and especially in this deck they allow you to more consistently get your synergy pieces together.

The main reason I'd love to play this deck is to get my bob bolted, then Undying Evil him and get all the quizzical looks. :eyebrow:

iamajellydonut
05-14-2013, 11:58 AM
First off, let me commend you for reminding me that Undying Evil is a card. Wanting to use it and coming up with a good excuse is commendable in its own right.

Anyway... What do you do with 50% of your deck once the opponent has no cards in hand? I like the idea of Augur+Undying, but comboing it with Dream Salvage is just getting greedy and Hymn to Tourach redundant.

Darkenslight
05-14-2013, 03:44 PM
First off, let me commend you for reminding me that Undying Evil is a card. Wanting to use it and coming up with a good excuse is commendable in its own right.

Anyway... What do you do with 50% of your deck once the opponent has no cards in hand? I like the idea of Augur+Undying, but comboing it with Dream Salvage is just getting greedy and Hymn to Tourach redundant.

I hear The Rack is a card...

HPB_Eggo
05-14-2013, 03:55 PM
I hear The Rack is a card...

Problem still stands, and this actually makes it worse...

If the opponent is just drawing and playing one card every turn, all of your discard is turned off. If you can't manage to get them to that state with your discard, The Rack does nothing, and you should be winning at that point with or without The Rack, assuming that the deck actually does its job.

This isn't a straight discard deck, and I'm going to agree with the idea that to make it work better you probably want to move away from Dream Salvage and so much discard and run something else to generate your card advantage and apply pressure. No idea what without looking around, but I'm going to start to do so when I get the chance.

Darkenslight
05-15-2013, 03:08 AM
Problem still stands, and this actually makes it worse...

If the opponent is just drawing and playing one card every turn, all of your discard is turned off. If you can't manage to get them to that state with your discard, The Rack does nothing, and you should be winning at that point with or without The Rack, assuming that the deck actually does its job.

This isn't a straight discard deck, and I'm going to agree with the idea that to make it work better you probably want to move away from Dream Salvage and so much discard and run something else to generate your card advantage and apply pressure. No idea what without looking around, but I'm going to start to do so when I get the chance.

...Could Nihilith work?

Mr. Safety
05-15-2013, 08:28 AM
This is the same problem I'm running into with Notion Thief...it's just too damn cute and not enough 'oomph.'

With that said, I've been tempted to play Shriekmaw in Legacy, but only because I have the Volrath's Stronghold to make it a 2-card combination. BOO YAAA! Well, maybe not legacy, but my Varolz EDH deck will LOVE IT!

HPB_Eggo
05-15-2013, 09:36 AM
...Could Nihilith work?

I've always wanted Nihilith to work in something. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work in a pure discard deck.

Why? Turn two is one of the turns where discard is really effective, so you don't want to be suspending a Nihilith. Any point where you could do Nihilith -> Hymn is more than likely a point where you should have played Hymn earlier. It also doesn't help turn dead discard into something useful, as you can't take off the suspend counters unless something actually hits he graveyard.

Maybe if they printed a card that did something whenever a player is targeted with discard and can't discard a card a very heavy discard deck would be good, but as is you don't want to run so much that you're turning your own cards off.

Going to spend part of today looking at some alternatives to all the discard that will still work well with Undying Evil. Hopefully I find something at the very least cool, even if nothing that's exceptionally good.

BooleanLobster
05-15-2013, 03:14 PM
The thing to do with useless discard is to pitch it to brainstorm or faithless looting. I think both of those colors are traps for this deck, though. I chose to run as few discard spells as possible (cut both Lilies) and hope that I run out of discard before my opponent runs out of cards.



Going to spend part of today looking at some alternatives to all the discard that will still work well with Undying Evil. Hopefully I find something at the very least cool, even if nothing that's exceptionally good.
Cloudshift is copies 5-8, Snapcaster works fairly well, Stoneforge Mystic seems like a good card. If you go this route, you'll be a creature-heavy Esper Stoneblade without FoWs for lack of blue count. Could work.

ahg113
05-15-2013, 05:00 PM
...Could Nihilith work?

Nyxathid May work better. Synergy with the discard thing, packs an omph. But doesn't Goyf do that anyway...?