Modern Masters

[apple713]

anyone know why the Pact of negation and summoners pact and slaughter pact from modern masters have a gay little colored ball to the left of "instant" in the middle of the card?

none of the other cards from modern masters have it

[PhilipJFry]

anyone know why the Pact of negation and summoners pact and slaughter pact from modern masters have a gay little colored ball to the left of "instant" in the middle of the card?

none of the other cards from modern masters have it

Color Identity Marker - they invented it for Innistrad.

[apple713]

Color Identity Marker - they invented it for Innistrad.

for all 0 CMC spells?

[Aggro_zombies]

for all 0 CMC spells?
Basically. It's on the FtV Dryad Arbor too, as I recall.

The identity marker was used on the flipped side of werewolves to indicate the card's color since card frame has no rules weight and printing out "[Card Name] is [colors]" plus normal Werewolf rules text would eat up a ton of space. It looks like they're applying it elsewhere too to save space in the text box.

[Lord Seth]

I did two drafts, and this set was actually a lot of fun to draft (even though I did horribly in the first draft). Makes me even more annoyed at the limited print run, because it means I'll have so few opportunities to draft it.

[bruizar]

http://www.black-lotus.nl/mtg/lg/Modern_Masters/Pact_of_Negation__tmp.jpg

new formatting for colored spells with no colored manacost

[zulander]

I think the dots are pretty stupid. Don't they think the ENTIRE FRAME BEING A COLOR isn't a big indicator of what color the spell is???? I mean, come on.

[Kage]

I've been contemplating putting together a modern deck so I decided to check out the prices on some modern staples.

It seems that every staple UC/Rare worth at least 5$ pre-MM has seen a 30-50% price decrease (interesting that 'orginal' version of these cards usaually dropped only around 10-20%).

Exceptions seem to be Goyf, Bob, Elspeth, the 2 Swords, and Doubling Season. Even Vendilion Clique dropped by 10 bucks. I used TCG low prices and didn't bother with already 'worthless' stuff like Auriok Salvagers or Angel's Grace.

So far so good I think.

[Barbed Blightning]

I think the dots are pretty stupid. Don't they think the ENTIRE FRAME BEING A COLOR isn't a big indicator of what color the spell is???? I mean, come on.

Well, an island has a blue frame, yet it is colorless.

That said, the dot is a pretty cumbersome means of displaying color identity

[apple713]

Well, an island has a blue frame, yet it is colorless.

That said, the dot is a pretty cumbersome means of displaying color identity

pretty sure lands have their own color scheme...

[Koby]

I think the dots are pretty stupid. Don't they think the ENTIRE FRAME BEING A COLOR isn't a big indicator of what color the spell is???? I mean, come on.

So I guess this a green card then?
http://magiccards.info/scans/en/rv/79.jpg

Color identity matters for Kobolds too. The old cardbox text "~ is a blue spell" has been functionally replaced with a dot next to the card type. OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!!111

[Shawon]

They should add the mana symbol on top of the dot, that way anyone colorblind can still determine what color the 0CC spell is without just looking at the dot.

[Richard Cheese]

So I guess this a green card then?
http://magiccards.info/scans/en/rv/79.jpg

Color identity matters for Kobolds too. The old cardbox text "~ is a blue spell" has been functionally replaced with a dot next to the card type. OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!!111

I asked about this at sealed this weekend and someone used the Serendib Efreet example as a reason why the border wouldn't suffice, to which my response was "because they could never misprint that dot, right?".

It doesn't really bother me, but it just seems unnecessary.

Also this set is bonkers fun in sealed.

[Lord Seth]

My problem is the fact that if someone didn't work out the card is Blue based on the background of the card being Blue, I'm not sure how a small dot being Blue would somehow convince them.

[Finn]

That is not the original printing of Serendib Efreet. They simply used the art for Iff Biff by mistake. I can tell you that at the time Revised came out, everyone asked once which card we were really supposed to use it as, and then moved on.

[Dark Ritual]

4000 players is about equal to pass me that good shit you're smoking because you high as fuck.

I just drafted this set today and it's pretty damn sweet. Moldervine Cloak is a common in this set, lol. A lot of really crazy stuff you can do. I'd draft this set as much as I could because sweet cards + insane value. Really digging it.

I said projected attendance was around 4,000. I didn't think of that number myself, someone else did. It may get 4,000, it may not. I wouldn't be remotely surprised to see it get 3,000 though and if that's the case simply multiply all the numbers I crunched by 0.75. The number of people who are going to GP Vegas will set a new record for GP attendance, that much is abundantly clear from all the hype GP Vegas is getting and how much it got the moment they revealed that it would be a modern masters limited GP and the only one of its kind the entire year.

As for the dot for color, I don't give a single fuck about that. If you care so much, just get future sight copies that replace the dot with "Pact of Negation is blue." I'm sure you can probably afford it as pact is in two decks that matter in omniclash and high tide.

Oh joy that second wave is going to really come through in the clutch/not.

[swoop]

I took too many aspiren so i dont know is the market dead yet?!¨??

[twndomn]

Put in perspective, SD's Comic-Con on 2012 is about 130,000. I mention it because SD is closer toward LV than NY or other cities.

The real focus should be the amount of opened boost packs. The more MM packs are opened, the harder it is for hoarders to profit. There're plenty of side events that will open packs over the weekend. Hence, I'm certain that once GP LV has passed, the pricing for older version of MM's card will drop at a perceivable level.

[swoop]

Played in draft today, opened Dark Confidant and picked up glimmervoid and kitchen finks.

In total i've seen clique, doubling season and foil bridge from below (+normal) on two pods. probably something more, but nothing too cool though.

6 boxes opened in store for drafts and not a single goyf

[PirateKing]

Draft I went to had 4 boxes opened with 3 goyfs total. Two were from the same box, and one of those was a foil. Pretty much happened that pack 1 was a foil goyf and the guy like shit his pants. Pack 3 I think it was, guy two seats over opened regular goyf. So there was this guy where the person to his left and right opened them, while he got like Gifts Ungiven and a dragon.

[ankharlyn]

Case came in today. Opened the first box and got a lot of mid level good stuff, then I hit Vendilion Clique, Cryptic Command, Tarmogoyf and foil Cryptic Command pretty much all in a row.

[Dan Turner]

Why are some LGSs lying about allocation?

I keep a close eye on pretty much all the LGSs within 100 miles to me so I know what is going on and I don't miss out on deals, like when different shops have their 20% off sales or the buy 2 get 1 free etc.

I called 6 different LGSs without giving my name to ask if the had any Modern Masters for sale and all except 1 said they only got 1 or 2 cases, I figured this was true. I went yesterday to a one of the shops that I had called that only had claimed 2 BOXES supposedly at $250 each. I was looking through a collection he had just purchased in his back room since it had some graded cards and such in it. I looked up and the edge of his stock room door was open and he had about 120 boxes of MM stacked up in the back room.

Now I am wondering if the shortages are artificial and are being perpertrated to keep the price on the boxes high. I know a few stores have come right out and stated they had 100+ boxes but the many stores that are claiming only 1 or 2 boxes were recieved are they hoarding.


I just have to say this to any store I catch hoarding product and putting the dollar above the customer will never see any of my money again and I will make sure they see very few if any of my friends money. There are some stores locally that I know they don't make much once the bills are paid and I have no problem buying from them at full retail since they will give new players cards to build decks hold no-entry fee tournaments with prizes etc.

I also have no problem with the shops that get a case of something like from the vault and sell at fair market price, but when a store is out gouging customers by lying it is another thing. I did buy a case fromt he one honest store at MSRP, yes he could have got more from me but he knows I come in and drop cash all the time.

[lochlan]

Why are some LGSs lying about allocation?

Because perceived scarcity opens wallets faster.

[Shawon]

Because perceived scarcity opens wallets faster.

*cough* diamond trade *cough*

[apple713]

Because perceived scarcity opens wallets faster.

There are tons of boxes still left to be open... this wasent a scarce print it just wasent printed like a major set.


Are people even getting their worth out of the box they pay 250 for?

[Koby]

Are people even getting their worth out of the box they pay 250 for?

No. Because it was priced at breaking even for MSRP.

[SteakKnife]

No. Because it was priced at breaking even for MSRP.

I think I "broke even" on two boxes, lost horribly on another and haven't decided whether I should open the fourth. I paid msrp and opened worse than anyone else I know who got boxes for mspr or less.

[TheAardvark]

Pre-registration numbers for the GP are over 3000, so I fully expect the event to easily break 4000. It could be awkward if it goes to 4500+, as I was told by someone supposedly in the know that the amount of product and space they have could be an issue around/after that point.

Re: getting your money's worth out of the boxes, I got my 2 boxes at MSRP and traded them unopened for about $550-600 worth of stuff at SCG St. Louis. Opening them is too much of a crap-shoot unless you just plain need the cards, IMO.

[apple713]

Pre-registration numbers for the GP are over 3000, so I fully expect the event to easily break 4000. It could be awkward if it goes to 4500+, as I was told by someone supposedly in the know that the amount of product and space they have could be an issue around/after that point.

Re: getting your money's worth out of the boxes, I got my 2 boxes at MSRP and traded them unopened for about $550-600 worth of stuff at SCG St. Louis. Opening them is too much of a crap-shoot unless you just plain need the cards, IMO.


so if it hits 4400 players that means that 1100 boxes of MM will be opened and that will drop the flood gate on the supply and the prices should just plummet....

[dunk]

so if it hits 4400 players that means that 1100 boxes of MM will be opened and that will drop the flood gate on the supply and the prices should just plummet....

+ day 2 + sideevents. If this event has no influence on card prices I don't know further. Sad that it doesn't take place in Europe, so the cards would at least enter MKM first before falling into the hands of SCG :P

[Megadeus]

+ day 2 + sideevents. If this event has no influence on card prices I don't know further. Sad that it doesn't take place in Europe, so the cards would at least enter MKM first before falling into the hands of SCG :P

Jesus. I cannot imagine that many people for a magic tournament. now I wishI could makeit across the country

[apple713]

Jesus. I cannot imagine that many people for a magic tournament. now I wishI could makeit across the country

kinda just wish i was going for the trade...but the value of the cards probably wouldnt be worth it. The only cards i need from the set are foil goyf and foil pacts of negation, whichj i would sell immediatly to buy original foils...

[Richard Cheese]

To those going to the GP: please stay safe and pack tons of deodorant and possibly a gas mask. Temperatures are reportedly going to be over 100 all weekend.

[twndomn]

It's like World Series of Poker at LV every summer, except it's for Magic the Gathering. It's like GenCon, but with the vibe of LV casino culture.

[Lt. Quattro]

I hope yall stay safe over there, bring a buddy with you wherever you go just in case.

[TheAardvark]

They have now cancelled on-site registration for the event totally (after previously putting the deadline on Friday evening); to play in the event, you must preregister. Insane.

[Koby]

They have now cancelled on-site registration for the event totally (after previously putting the deadline on Friday evening); to play in the event, you must preregister. Insane.

I'm confused. How is lame? Are you planning on going? If yes, register now. How many people, exactly, are on the fence about signing up to play?

[BlackFlameAshura]

For most it really shouldn't be an issue because, yeah, just go freakin pre-register if you're planning on going already. But some people aren't entirely on the up and up and aren't going to be hitting forums, Twitter, Reddit, or just general Magic discussion areas and might not realize that the day-of registration's been cancelled entirely. So they book their flight, travel, and get there only to find that they can't register. That said, that's going to be a very small minority of people.

To anyone going, best of luck, keep safe, watch your shit.

[Barook]

They have now cancelled on-site registration for the event totally (after previously putting the deadline on Friday evening); to play in the event, you must preregister. Insane.

Who cares?

If you're dumb enough to book your hotel, flight, etc. and don't preregister while you can easily inform yourself in the times of the internet, you pretty much deserve it.

Makes me wonder how big the GP is going to be. And why does it pull such insane numbers?

Edit: Oh well: (http://cascadegames.wordpress.com/)



Apparently over 3,200 people are already preregistered for the GP, and 10% of the preregisters entered the wrong DCI number. So they have to go and fix all the DCI numbers that were incorrect. They are saying if 4000 people register and 10% of the DCI numbers are incorrect, it could take just over a day (26 hours) to fix the incorrect DCI numbers.

[Koby]

Makes me wonder how big the GP is going to be. And why does it pull such insane numbers?


Vegas, baby! (they could have made it Fallen Empires constructed, and people would still show up)

[TheAardvark]

I'm confused. How is lame? Are you planning on going? If yes, register now. How many people, exactly, are on the fence about signing up to play?

? I didn't say anything about it being lame. My "insane" comment was within the context of the attendance for the event. I just find it interesting, and thought I would pass the info along in case anyone was on the fence about going or was interested.

[Koby]

? I didn't say anything about it being lame. My "insane" comment was within the context of the attendance for the event. I just find it interesting, and thought I would pass the info along in case anyone was on the fence about going or was interested.

Ah yes, I misread. Point still stands - at this point if anyone is going, they should just pre-register. Standing in a line 2000 people long is not worth anything aside from free gold bullion.

[Dan Turner]

I really miss big events almost makes me want to move back to Santa Cruz just so I can hit them all up and down the west coast again.

I still remember when Wizards was still working on getting the product into comic book stores and reps from the company came and taught a group of us D&D players how to play back right after Gen-Con had to be fall of 93 since I was a sophomore. Peter Adkinson & Richard Garfield and a coupel others traveled up and down the west coast showing off this and I think it was Robo Rally. I know I have a Robo Rally signed by Richard Garfield just cant remember if it was then or when I went to Sacramento the next summer

[nedleeds]

+ day 2 + sideevents. If this event has no influence on card prices I don't know further. Sad that it doesn't take place in Europe, so the cards would at least enter MKM first before falling into the hands of SCG :P

There are 10+ dealers there. Only way SCG monopolizes the tsunami of opened garbage is if they buy at a higher price. If they buy at a higher price then so be it.

[Aggro_zombies]

I'm confused. How is lame? Are you planning on going? If yes, register now. How many people, exactly, are on the fence about signing up to play?
Finally registered today, myself. I've seen people posting elsewhere - reddit, Sally - like they're put out over this. Really? You'd rather stand in a line with 500 other people on Saturday morning and make a 4000+ person tournament can start three hours late so that you don't have to spend three minutes preregistering online? I feel like, in the time these people spent complaining, they could have just signed up for the damn tournament and been done with it.

But Magic players are nothing if not entitled and easily disgruntled.

[thulnanth]

But Magic players are nothing if not entitled and easily disgruntled.

LOL... I may have to sig that. :laugh:

Take it easy,
Jared

[Memnoch]

4000 players is about equal to pass me that good shit you're smoking because you high as fuck.

It must have been some goooood shit;

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Fother%2F06202013

[Koby]

so.... GP Las Vegas aka Modern Masters will be capped at 4500 players.

Discuss.

[Memnoch]

It's going to be a madhouse. I hope players have some respect for the judges and organizers who are going to be dealing with pure insanity for 3 days.

Also, that is a crap ton of product getting opened up. Main event alone at 4K players is 24K packs getting cracked. That's a hell of a lot of product to have to split in stacks of 6 and distribute.

Good luck everyone! I'll be one of the faces in the crowd trying to wade though the masses!

[sdematt]

It's going to be a madhouse. I hope players have some respect for the judges and organizers who are going to be dealing with pure insanity for 3 days.

Also, that is a crap ton of product getting opened up. Main event alone at 4K players is 24K packs getting cracked. That's a hell of a lot of product to have to split in stacks of 6 and distribute.

Good luck everyone! I'll be one of the faces in the crowd trying to wade though the masses!

I'm wondering why they're capping it. Is it product availability? Space? Both?

My local store was told they would receive their second wave of MM this week, but all of a sudden, they were told they would receive none. I'm wondering if this is temporary and if Wizards is sequestering product to make sure they have enough for the GP.

Why not host as large of an event as possible and see how big they can make it?

-Matt

[Barook]

I guess MM can be considered a huge success then. Maybe we get more of that in the future.

Maybe even a Legacy Masters with non RL-staples - a man can dream.

[Richard Cheese]

I guess MM can be considered a huge success then. Maybe we get more of that in the future.

Maybe even a Legacy Masters with non RL-staples - a man can dream.

Eternal Masters? Yes please. Even the name sounds badass.

[Memnoch]

I'm wondering why they're capping it. Is it product availability? Space? Both?

My local store was told they would receive their second wave of MM this week, but all of a sudden, they were told they would receive none. I'm wondering if this is temporary and if Wizards is sequestering product to make sure they have enough for the GP.

Why not host as large of an event as possible and see how big they can make it?

-Matt

Seems the organizer wasn't prepared for such a turn out and has decided to put a cap on it to help ensure it goes as smoothly as possible. Plus add in not being able to extend the space rented, extra manpower (it's almost all done by volunteers) and paperwork, etc.

[Dark Ritual]

4000 players is about equal to pass me that good shit you're smoking because you high as fuck.

I just drafted this set today and it's pretty damn sweet. Moldervine Cloak is a common in this set, lol. A lot of really crazy stuff you can do. I'd draft this set as much as I could because sweet cards + insane value. Really digging it.

So, the event is going to be the largest MTG tournament ever with 4,500 players. Please tell me how fucking right I am now. It isn't remotely surprising to me either. As for that shit I smoked? I fucking hate smoking.

Wish I was going, sadly I am not. However it will be damn uncomfortable in that tournament hall.

[apple713]

Eternal Masters? Yes please. Even the name sounds badass.

+1

[Machahiko]

I wish they had a big tournament like this in Europe so there would be the same quantity of products on the market. This set seems like a blast to draft, but it still reminds me about all the things why modern is horrible. Affordable legacy - yeah right.

[Koby]

Tim Shields (TO) just posted a new blog post stating that he does not have enough logistical support (people power) to run the event larger than 4,500 people.

It seems the constraint is not physical location or product on hand; rather that the amount of judges & staff needed to officiate an event this size starts to grow exponentially at a certain point.

Get your golden ticket ready and sign up NOW. Don't wait.

[Whippoorwill]

Here's the link for those interested:

http://cascadegames.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/i-was-wrong-and-im-sorry/


While it would have been nice to see just how many players this would get, I agree with his decision since it'll help things run/start smoother for those playing.

[Barook]

Eternal Masters? Yes please. Even the name sounds badass.

+2

Eternal Masters sounds even better.

[Lord Seth]

+2

Eternal Masters sounds even better.
Personally I like "Magic Masters" more. It maintains the alliteration, is slightly faster to say, and isn't restricted to Modern in the way the term Modern Masters is.

A shame the GP is capping out attendance. It would've been really interesting to see how big it would get.

[Amon Amarth]

So, the event is going to be the largest MTG tournament ever with 4,500 players. Please tell me how fucking right I am now. It isn't remotely surprising to me either. As for that shit I smoked? I fucking hate smoking.

Wish I was going, sadly I am not. However it will be damn uncomfortable in that tournament hall.

Came here to eat my words but you beat me to the punch. Stay classy.

[Dan Turner]

To everyone going watch your shit. It will be packed in there and theft will be running rampant.

[Picc]

To everyone going watch your shit. It will be packed in there and theft will be running rampant.

On the plus side Vegas has really good security so if anything does go down hopefully it will be caught on tape.

[Dan Turner]

On the plus side Vegas has really good security so if anything does go down hopefully it will be caught on tape.

I have a couple of friends who went and they went as far as getting the hotel/casino they are staying at to provide them a safe for their trade stock and are just taking a printed list and full scans of high value stuff on their phones and arranging trades that way. They said if it can not fit in their pockets they are not taking it into the venue.

[HammafistRoob]

As for that shit I smoked? I fucking hate smoking.
Nah, you probably just haven't tried the good stuff. Seriously, you cannot post something like this without getting a reply from me.

Anyways, 4,500 is a rediculous turnout. Longest MtG tournament ever? My vote for the Eternal set name would go to Legacy Legends. Much more badass and a tad more creative than "magic masters" if you ask me.

[Dark Ritual]

Nah, you probably just haven't tried the good stuff. Seriously, you cannot post something like this without getting a reply from me.

Anyways, 4,500 is a rediculous turnout. Longest MtG tournament ever? My vote for the Eternal set name would go to Legacy Legends. Much more badass and a tad more creative than "magic masters" if you ask me.

Actually I do smoke cardboard crack, I lied.

I'm not really classy Amon, but thanks.

[Memnoch]

So, first day was a bit of a clusterf**k. Had a friend get screwed out of his Mini Masters all registered players are supposed to get to play in for free, because after 5 hours of standing in line just to get halfway to the check in desk, he stepped away to use the restroom and judges came by handing out registration tickets about a minute after, for us to fill out and told us to disperse the line. He came back to find out what happened and when he went to talk to the check n desk about what happened, they told him, "Sorry we have no more paper slips." and was told he couldn't play in the free event that anyone WHO REGISTERED is supposed to be able to play, all because they didn't have any more PAPER slips to hand out.

Not a shortage of product, but a printed paper slip.

Needless to say after 5 hours of standing in line, he was pissed and the two of us who were in line felt like crap. Very poor communication from the announcers as well, as they failed to inform people where exactly they should be until well into 3 hours of standing in line and finding out you didn't have to if you didn't care about the free sleeves, or wished to pick them up later. They should have been announcing that every 10 minutes at least.

Also, there was supposed to be about 140+ judges on staff and from what I was told, about half of them failed to show. So the venue was severely understaffed. I assume a large amount of their volunteers failed to show as well, as one judge was going around offering up volunteer shirts for anyone who wanted to help out and work the event.

We'll see how tomorrow goes.