Your ideal Magic tournament [Archive]

thecrav

06-04-2013, 07:46 PM

You said LGS, so I'll assume you mean weekly legacy as opposed to something big.

Note: My weekly legacy gets 16+ most weeks, so this may not be viable for a smaller (say eight man) tournament.

A judge with level > 0, especially if there's a fair amount of people who play there that are relatively new to the format. He doesn't have to be patrolling, or there specifically for the tournament, but having one on staff at your store is a really good idea, especially for eternal.

Even if they're not the official judge for the event, having someone in the store who's got the bona-fides to answer a question is really nice.
Payout that fits the format: There's a game store in Austin that pays out legacy in current core set packs. Is there anything less useful to an eternal player than a current core set pack? I guess I can use the basic lands... or maybe I'll proxy my next deck on the back of these freaking commons!

If you sell other things, or allow future tournaments to be paid on credit, than store credit is perfectly fine.
A safe-feeling environment: Subjective, yes, but people aren't going to plunk down multi-thousand dollar decks in a dim back room in the warehouse district.
Card availability: Selling eternal-playable singles means that if I'm missing something, I can pick it up at the store and play rather than staying at home because my shipment didn't come in on time. It also means income for you!

One other thing: announce it! There's a lot of legacy players out there who don't hit up their LGS because so offer legacy. Announce it on all your store's social networing accounts. Mention it here, the magic reddits, mtg salvation, and your local boards, if they exist.

Dan Turner

06-04-2013, 09:28 PM

I would love to see something along the lines of a 21+ age limit legacy. $xx buy in with a couple different beers on tap and free pizza. Even with little prize support it would be awesome to just party and have fun.

But to be real for a sec.

at least a 100% payout if it is store credit if it is cash or equivalent 80% is fine.

have snacks and drinks on hand having to leave to go drive and look for something at midnight right before the last round sucks ass if something happens and you cant make it back before start even more so when a person is diabetic and needs something (I usually bring my own stuff unless the lgs keeps it in stock at a reasonable price (I AM NOT PAYING $1.50 for a can of Pepsi or $2 for a snickers)

Have stuff worth buying other then singles (dice, sleeves, playmats, etc.) and not the cheap ass crap either, I have no problem dropping $10-$15 on some good sleeves, not that cheap ass $3.99 a pack Chinese shit that splits your first shuffle, or a new set of Chessex dice. Sometimes these are the one thing I forget 75-100 miles from home, even more so if I am on the bike since I keep extra stuff in the trunk of the car.

Have relatively good prices. If I am going to a new shop I usually bring extra cash to buy cards, even if it is not something I need right now I like to give business to whomever is holding the tournament. Price your cards nicely I have no issue paying Star City or even 5-10% more just to support the store but when you price stuff at star city plus 25% I am going to tell you to fuck off. Had a shop tell me that all prices are current Star City plus 25%. I walked out and never have gone back, their prize support sucked ass as well.

Good heat in the Winter and AC in the summer. People bitch about LGS's charging so much for stuff and this is the reason they do electricity/gas is not cheap. Personally I could do 60 c in the winter and 80 c in the summer I prefer not to be that hot since I sweat a lot.

One local LGS does the one thing I love. They keep spray deodorant in the restrooms and they have the cleanest restrooms ever, I understand no one likes sweaty geeks but that many people the heat rises and it happens, I keep deodorant in my bag since I sweat a lot (I also keep a spare shirt or two)

BE NICE- Sure Comic Book guy on the Simpsons is funny but no one wants to spend 4-5 hours with a person like that.

dontbiteitholmes

06-04-2013, 10:10 PM

Hey guys,

It just got me thinking "what if"...I were a tournament organizer, what would I do to attract more players? What would I, as a player, like to improve at my LGS? And so on. So, after answering the questions myself I pass it on to you.

What would your ideal tournament look like?

I am really looking forward to your answers :)

I think the biggest problems with LGS's and Eternal events I see is that they aren't honest with themselves about their audience. So we have a lot of weekly events around here that never fire instead of once a month events that would. When you are first starting an Eternal event you probably want to jump things off with a larger event with a guaranteed prize so get the ball rolling. Advertise everywhere you can, so many local events I would never hear about if I didn't literally scour local events when I want to play.

Basically the #1 thing I want as a player is a consistent turnout. If I drive across town for an event and it doesn't fire I'm probably not coming next week, and that's why everything here falls apart.

thecrav

06-04-2013, 11:25 PM

have snacks and drinks on hand having to leave to go drive and look for something at midnight right before the last round sucks ass if something happens and you cant make it back before start even more so when a person is diabetic and needs something (I usually bring my own stuff unless the lgs keeps it in stock at a reasonable price (I AM NOT PAYING $1.50 for a can of Pepsi or $2 for a snickers)

To back this up, having a list of places that deliver or are in walkable distance, especially if you've got a menu is freaking awesome. Heck, send enough business their way and maybe they'll offer a discount or something!

Dan Turner

06-05-2013, 08:59 PM

To back this up, having a list of places that deliver or are in walkable distance, especially if you've got a menu is freaking awesome. Heck, send enough business their way and maybe they'll offer a discount or something!

I know of one place in Springfield, Mo across from one of the LGS's there that will offer whoever picks up the order half price on their meal when there are 4 or more orders to pick up. They even stay open later when there are tournaments going on.

Esper3k

06-05-2013, 10:03 PM

Ring girls dressed in skimpy outfits to announce the start of each round.

Maybe have them give massages to players during matches.

anonymos

06-06-2013, 08:39 AM

pavlaugh

06-06-2013, 09:35 AM

I think my lgs is the same as thecrav's. A few things i like about it that other stores don't do/have:
A big lcd tv to display the pairings and time left in the round.
Pretty clean bathroom.
A water fountain.
Consistent turnout by players (very important)
Full prize payout in store credit with very reasonable p prices. (If prices were not reasonable this would be a downer).

dunk

06-06-2013, 11:17 AM

Of all tournaments I played in it was def the Pro Tour which was run the smoothest - everything was clean ( yeah, even my opponents! ), people were very friendly to each other, no one tried to cheat, rounds ran really fast and everyone got a free pen and free paper. Now, if I wouldn't have gone 0-5 and dropped early... the only thing that really sucked was that matches were threated too discrete; once you finished your match you wouldn't have the option to watch anyone else playing, except for the people sitting near the barrier tape.

Sloshthedark

06-06-2013, 11:22 AM

barcode

06-06-2013, 11:23 AM

csy

06-08-2013, 10:06 PM

>= 100 players

mox prize support

A sea of players that look like they've bathed in the last 12 hours. (seriously Im sick of el giganto and his/her copious amounts of cheese growing on his/her body)

People having a good time, using sylvan library correctly, putting cards from brainstorm back one at a time, and lands players not going to time.

good local food support, could care less if its free or next door. Water for sale, WATER FOR SALE! el giganto doesn't need another cola.

thecrav

06-09-2013, 10:35 AM

Honestly, I'd be content if the event started ON TIME. Not 5 minutes late because So and So's Cousin Jim called and said he was on his way. That starts a trend, and not a good trend. It's one thing if it's a big event that has drawn people from 50+ miles away (events using multiple duals as prize for example), but when it's a weekly event and it has enough to start, let it start.

This is how our local legacy went from noon to 1230 to 1pm. Luckily, it's usually pretty stable at that 1pm start time.

Water for sale, WATER FOR SALE! el giganto doesn't need another cola.

This is true of all LGS. Also, bottle water is even cheaper than soda. Stop charging a buck for a bottle. Stack 'em deep and sell 'em cheap!

(nameless one)

06-09-2013, 02:12 PM

Ring girls dressed in skimpy outfits to announce the start of each round.

Maybe have them give massages to players during matches.

This and $10 Modern Master drafts

Richard Cheese

06-10-2013, 10:54 AM

I think the biggest problems with LGS's and Eternal events I see is that they aren't honest with themselves about their audience. So we have a lot of weekly events around here that never fire instead of once a month events that would. When you are first starting an Eternal event you probably want to jump things off with a larger event with a guaranteed prize so get the ball rolling. Advertise everywhere you can, so many local events I would never hear about if I didn't literally scour local events when I want to play.

Basically the #1 thing I want as a player is a consistent turnout. If I drive across town for an event and it doesn't fire I'm probably not coming next week, and that's why everything here falls apart.

So this is something we've been dealing with lately at our weeklies. With summer here and so many other events going on, the last few weeklies have failed to fire. Have you seen cutting the number of events actually help with attendance? My concern is that people aren't showing up because of hiking/camping/weddings/etc., and so having fewer events might make things worse.

Ideally I like playing weekly. For me, the point of regular local events is to practice and tune for bigger things, so the more playtime the better. Having more than 3 rounds is nice too, attendance is definitely a key factor.

Megadeus

06-10-2013, 11:10 AM

So this is something we've been dealing with lately at our weeklies. With summer here and so many other events going on, the last few weeklies have failed to fire. Have you seen cutting the number of events actually help with attendance? My concern is that people aren't showing up because of hiking/camping/weddings/etc., and so having fewer events might make things worse.

Ideally I like playing weekly. For me, the point of regular local events is to practice and tune for bigger things, so the more playtime the better. Having more than 3 rounds is nice too, attendance is definitely a key factor.

I play most every week. I think if I didn't at least have a weekly tournament to pay in I probably wouldn't invest very heavily into theformat. while I love legacy, if I haveto devote all of my magic funds to something that I can only do once it twice a month it just wouldn't be worth it

apple713

06-10-2013, 12:15 PM

I'd like serious level tournament $x00 entry, until payout in pricerange covers at least travel expenses, the competitive factor cannot move further, it's embarrasing I 'win' more by sitting at work staring from the window ~ the same amount of time than by winning any tournament I can reach within 8 hour drive, bearing average legacy deck pricetag in mind

This is true. many legacy players make a decent amount of money and if they are taking time from their weekend to play it would be nice to win something worth while. Sometimes i think about going to the tournament, then i realize if i drive to work and work those 4 hours i could get a couple duals instead.

I dont expect there to be huge prizes for weeklys but I wish there were more large events like once a month at least. It doesnt cost a lot to buy a beta dual online then host a $20 tournament to get it paid off. actually now that they have risen so much in price it would take like 40 ppl to break even on an 800$ dual.

>= 100 players

mox prize support

A sea of players that look like they've bathed in the last 12 hours. (seriously Im sick of el giganto and his/her copious amounts of cheese growing on his/her body)

good local food support, could care less if its free or next door. Water for sale, WATER FOR SALE! el giganto doesn't need another cola.

legacy players dont want moxes, no one in dallas really plays vintage. The people who do play vintage already have the moxes. And if you were going to give away power pick ancestral recall... clearly the best of the 9

If you are going to have a legacy event, sell legacy cards at a reasonable price. this would probably motivate other players to get into the format instead of shy away from it.

AC in the summer, texas gets hot.

clean place to play that doesnt smell like el giganto.

Cash prize is always nice.

thecrav

06-11-2013, 12:47 PM

legacy players dont want moxes, no one in dallas really plays vintage. The people who do play vintage already have the moxes. And if you were going to give away power pick ancestral recall... clearly the best of the 9

This is why I'm a big fan of "Here are the prizes, winner picks first, than second, then third" method. If I don't want the Mox, I'll go for the playset of duals you're offering instead.

emidln

06-11-2013, 01:01 PM

Hey guys,

It just got me thinking "what if"...I were a tournament organizer, what would I do to attract more players? What would I, as a player, like to improve at my LGS? And so on. So, after answering the questions myself I pass it on to you.

What would your ideal tournament look like?

I am really looking forward to your answers :)

I'd like a black tie legacy event.

Formal attire required. Felt tables. Subdued lighting. Higher than normal entry ($100-250 per person), nice prizes. Drinks included (or not included, I honestly don't care, just want them available). Waitstaff. Valet parking. If it could have a nice view, I'd consider it a fine bonus. Ideally, the bar would be open after the event as well. Renting out a lounge area of a hotel would be perfect for this, as we'd have somewhere to stumble too after the festivities are finished.

sdematt

06-11-2013, 01:06 PM

If you think I'm not trying to set this up, you're happily mistaken.

-Matt

thecrav

06-11-2013, 01:10 PM

If you think I'm not trying to set this up, you're happily mistaken.

-Matt
Quite happily.

Richard Cheese

06-11-2013, 03:45 PM

I'd like a black tie legacy event.

Formal attire required. Felt tables. Subdued lighting. Higher than normal entry ($100-250 per person), nice prizes. Drinks included (or not included, I honestly don't care, just want them available). Waitstaff. Valet parking. If it could have a nice view, I'd consider it a fine bonus. Ideally, the bar would be open after the event as well. Renting out a lounge area of a hotel would be perfect for this, as we'd have somewhere to stumble too after the festivities are finished.

I called for this at least a month ago. I would totally try to set it up for Vegas, except there's no way I can make it to that. DC maybe?

I would only go to a $100+ buy-in tourney if the venue was extremely nice, there was a dress code, and cocktails were available. None of this generic shitty hotel conference room nonsense.

Maybe I'm on to something here...private tables, no spectators milling around, and a noise policy. When your match is finished you shake hands, congratulate each other, and step out to the bar for conversation.

sdematt

06-11-2013, 03:49 PM

I called for this at least a month ago. I would totally try to set it up for Vegas, except there's no way I can make it to that. DC maybe?

The SCG Invitational in December is in Vegas. For those not going to the Invi, we could run it. But, we'd need someone employed/has connections with a hotel so renting a ballroom wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.

-Matt

Richard Cheese

06-11-2013, 04:02 PM

The SCG Invitational in December is in Vegas. For those not going to the Invi, we could run it. But, we'd need someone employed/has connections with a hotel so renting a ballroom wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.

-Matt

Or you have everyone pre-register and use entry fees to book a small room at a decent hotel restaurant/bar, and just limit the number of spots to ~32 or so. It's generally not that expensive for private dining rooms, but most private dining events do not last as long as Magic tournaments of any decent size. Also, casinos everywhere...do they have private game rooms for poker, etc?

Also if it's really black tie, you wear a tux or you don't get in. Not some gaudy neon-accented prom bullshit either. A real tux, with a real bow tie.

Finn

06-11-2013, 04:04 PM

Near my home on a day I can attend would be grand.

sdematt

06-11-2013, 04:14 PM

I mean, if there is enough interest, you could create a Source Black Tie Invitational that happens in differing locations across 'Murica.

-Matt

Richard Cheese

06-11-2013, 05:04 PM

I mean, if there is enough interest, you could create a Source Black Tie Invitational that happens in differing locations across 'Murica.

-Matt

Or in Monaco, where things like this should happen.

Shaman, Deathrite Shaman.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HUayznoYiBY/UKfR_moHN1I/AAAAAAAAADw/4vYDqLmIE3E/s1600/sean-connery.jpg

PirateKing

06-12-2013, 09:42 AM

Let's do it!

$250 buy in, 90% cash purse, black tie, open bar, personal handlers to shuffle and draw for you. Name a place and I'll be there like Stifle on a fetchland.

Dan Turner

06-12-2013, 10:16 AM

I mean, if there is enough interest, you could create a Source Black Tie Invitational that happens in differing locations across 'Murica.

-Matt

If it was close enough like Dallas or St Louis I would be all over it.

I would love to do Vegas or something but I have young children.

My wife asked does she have to wear a tux, she has some evening gowns.

Star|Scream

06-12-2013, 11:27 AM

This is the worst idea I've ever heard.

Have you guys been to a typical tournament? Try getting one to fire where everyone has to wear deodorant before tackling tuxes.

PirateKing

06-12-2013, 11:57 AM

This is the worst idea I've ever heard.

Have you guys been to a typical tournament? Try getting one to fire where everyone has to wear deodorant before tackling tuxes.

The point is that it isn't a typical tournament. I do not regularly attend typical tournaments for the very reasons you implied. The concept discussion is for others with similar feelings, not for typical tournament attendees. As far as I can tell, typical tournaments attendees already have their tournaments, we are just looking for ours.

Star|Scream

06-12-2013, 12:06 PM

The point is that it isn't a typical tournament. I do not regularly attend typical tournaments for the very reasons you implied. The concept discussion is for others with similar feelings, not for typical tournament attendees. As far as I can tell, typical tournaments attendees already have their tournaments, we are just looking for ours.

Yes, but do you think that people who spend thousands of dollars on this game are going to pass up your tournament just because they have to wear a tux? If the prizes are good enough, you will still attract those very people you wish to avoid. I imagine that they will smell worse having to wear many additional layers.

PirateKing

06-12-2013, 12:14 PM

Yes, but do you think that people who spend thousands of dollars on this game are going to pass up your tournament just because they have to wear a tux? If the prizes are good enough, you will still attract those very people you wish to avoid. I imagine that they will smell worse having to wear many additional layers.

By all accounts anybody wishing to attend is welcome, provided they abide by tournament rules, including minimum hygiene and attire requirements. If they are unable or unwilling to follow the rules set by the tournament organizer, there exists a clear line of precinct to act upon.

Dan Turner

06-12-2013, 12:17 PM

Yes, but do you think that people who spend thousands of dollars on this game are going to pass up your tournament just because they have to wear a tux? If the prizes are good enough, you will still attract those very people you wish to avoid. I imagine that they will smell worse having to wear many additional layers.

Just enforce the dress code including hygiene. I do not know very many people who can drop $250 for an entry fee who are unclean.

pavlaugh

06-12-2013, 12:24 PM

ITT: The Finer Things Club as Magic Tournament Organizers.

http://coolpapaesreviews.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/finer-things.jpg

Richard Cheese

06-12-2013, 01:26 PM

Let's do it!

$250 buy in, 90% cash purse, black tie, open bar, personal handlers to shuffle and draw for you. Name a place and I'll be there like Stifle on a fetchland.

Croupiers? Now you're talking $1000 buy-in territory if you're only using 10% to cover costs.

PirateKing

06-12-2013, 01:40 PM

Croupiers? Now you're talking $1000 buy-in territory if you're only using 10% to cover costs.

As much as I despise mass produced memes, shut up and take my money.

Koby

06-12-2013, 02:05 PM

The SCG Invitational in December is in Vegas. For those not going to the Invi, we could run it. But, we'd need someone employed/has connections with a hotel so renting a ballroom wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.

-Matt

This is easy to setup, but will cost a good chunk of change. I even know a few hotel management people; that doesn't help however.

This is the worst idea I've ever heard.

Have you guys been to a typical tournament? Try getting one to fire where everyone has to wear deodorant before tackling tuxes.

Dress code strictly enforced. Gamer funk will not be tolerated. You will be Axed.*

* And I'm not talking about the body deodorant spray produced by J&J.

ankharlyn

06-12-2013, 02:26 PM

$250 is pretty insane for an entry cost, IMO. $100 sounds much more reasonable and would still allow decent prizes. Could take or leave having "formal attire" required, honestly. Most people don't even own tuxedos, and renting one solely to pay $250 to enter a tournament sounds like a terrible idea. Sure, it'd be an interesting novelty, but I'm guessing that overall it would mostly serve to curb attendance. Also don't really care about having "valet service" and other random nonsense.

Maybe just having a "dress attire" dress code, rather than tuxedos. That is, wear nice things, not t-shirts and shorts/jeans. In which case you just make the dress code "formal" and say no t-shirt/jeans/shorts type stuff.

HammafistRoob

06-12-2013, 03:09 PM

You kneegas is trollin. But no, you guys really care what someone is wearing when you're playing Magic with them: Seriously?

ankharlyn

06-12-2013, 03:22 PM

You kneegas is trollin. But no, you guys really care what someone is wearing when you're playing Magic with them: Seriously?

Agreed! I mean, I can kind of understand the idea is that it'd be a "luxury" type of atmosphere, but it does seem awfully silly to me. I'd rather see fees go to door prizes or something than frivolous extras (aside from what goes to prize support).

sdematt

06-12-2013, 04:23 PM

You kneegas is trollin. But no, you guys really care what someone is wearing when you're playing Magic with them: Seriously?

No, but I care what social class they're in, which humans represent by wearing certain articles of clothing.

-Matt

ankharlyn

06-12-2013, 04:34 PM

No, but I care what social class they're in, which humans represent by wearing certain articles of clothing.

-Matt

I have to say, that sounds really douchey.

Koby

06-12-2013, 04:34 PM

I have to say, that sounds pretty douchey.

Sarcasm meter on 11.

ankharlyn

06-12-2013, 04:35 PM

Sarcasm meter on 11.

Herp derp, my bad. I forgot to wear my Internet Sarcasm Detection Goggles today.

Star|Scream

06-12-2013, 04:36 PM

I have to say, that sounds really douchey.

this.

Seems a few people in this thread (hell, this whole site) think themselves better than the majority of magic players. They are trying to be clever and funny, but it just comes off as snooty. This idea just sounds like some sort of elitist masturbatory fantasy that they've cooked up.

Koby

06-12-2013, 04:44 PM

this.

Seems a few people in this thread (hell, this whole site) think themselves better than the majority of magic players. They are trying to be clever and funny, but it just comes off as snooty. This idea just sounds like some sort of elitist masturbatory fantasy that they've cooked up.

Geesh, I guess demanding people to be decent human beings and not come to a tournament in a slovenly manner is considered to be Elitist today.

ankharlyn

06-12-2013, 04:49 PM

Geesh, I guess demanding people to be decent human beings and not come to a tournament in a slovenly manner is considered to be Elitist today.

Kinda disingenuous to equate not wearing a tuxedo with being "slovenly", don't you think?

Koby

06-12-2013, 04:49 PM

Kinda disingenuous to equate not wearing a tuxedo with being "slovenly", don't you think?

Have you been to any Magic tournament ever?

ankharlyn

06-12-2013, 04:50 PM

Have you been to a Magic tournament ever?

Of course. But we're not discussing bog standard tournaments, we're discussing hyper-luxury theoretical tournaments where people want the dress code to be tuxedos or don't bother showing up.

And heck, even in regular tournaments, slovenly players tend to be the exception rather than the rule. I don't count wearing casual clothes as being "slovenly", though.

Koby

06-12-2013, 04:54 PM

My Ideal tournament would:

A. Start on time
B. Have no offending odors and people not show up in brony tee-shirts or equivalent "cliche" nerd humor. Imagine something most people would wear if going out for a drink at a bar.
C. Have a bar, because sometimes you also go 0-3
D. Felted tables, cuz why not?
E. Challenge flags.

dunk

06-12-2013, 04:56 PM

If I have to wear more than just my pants I always feel overdressed.

Richard Cheese

06-12-2013, 06:20 PM

this.
This idea just sounds like some sort of elitist masturbatory fantasy that they've cooked up.

I think that's exactly what it is?

Here's the thing about black tie events though - attendance is always optional. Some people think getting dressed up feeling swanky for an evening, and I don't think it has anything to do with being a douche or elitist. I don't think it necessarily has to have anything to do with social position or income level at all. I'm sure there are people with many times as much wealth as me that hate the idea of wearing more than a t-shirt and jeans. For me it's just a chance to take a brief break from reality. I'm guessing it's not much different than people that enjoy cosplay or civil war reenactments or renaissance fair.

If you aren't interested in attending such an event, nobody is going to make you or look down on you if you don't feel like getting dressed up just to play Magic. As it is though, you're kinda just in here to tell everyone their ideas are bad and they should feel bad, which to me seems just as douchey as not wanting to sit next to a steaming man-pile of nerd-funk.

PirateKing

06-12-2013, 06:29 PM

Richard Cheese

06-12-2013, 08:07 PM

In reality I don't think tuxedos would be required, I just haven't found a way to say professional tournament, professional attire, and not look (and smell) like you just walked off the grounds of the local anime convention.

While I agree that black tie would be tough, as not everyone owns a tux (although every man should, you can find some great stuff secondhand and on ebay and get it tailored for less than you'd spend on a suit), going with something nebulous like "formal" or "professional" is going to be just as tough. Anything vague like that and you'll have a variety of styles showing up, which means whoever is making the call on whether or not the dress code is being adhered to has a much harder job. Black tie, in addition to being more well defined, has traditionally emphasized uniformity, making the doorman's job much easier. I think it also makes for a much more social event. By putting everyone on the same level as far as attire, you don't leave anyone feeling awkward for being over or under-dressed. People are more confident, the event is more sophisticated, nobody looks like their in prep school or Geek Squad, everyone wins.

To quote the Black Tie Guide (http://blacktieguide.com) on "Black Tie Optional":

The reality, though, is that this dress code is basically the formal equivalent of “business casual”: an attempt to please everyone that ultimately benefits no-one.
...
Consequently, these hesitant hosts deprive men of the reassurance and clarity they seek from a precise dress code, forcing them instead to partake in a no-win guessing game. If the large majority of men decide to wear dinner jackets then the minority who dress in suits may appear inconsiderate and classless. Conversely, if the majority shows up in suits then the minority will likely feel put out.

Remember, a dark suit is generally acceptable at a black tie event.

Edit: Holy shit am I a little too into formal wear?

Dan Turner

06-12-2013, 08:32 PM

I think this ran over a $1000 per person just for the basic room.

http://www.examiner.com/article/magic-the-gathering-2012-cruise-detailed

I know if they do it again we are going to go. We even have the money set aside in case they do it again but I am afraid we missed out since the original website is dead.

http://magiccruisers.com/?hg=0&nr=0

HammafistRoob

06-13-2013, 04:27 AM

No, but I care what social class they're in, which humans represent by wearing certain articles of clothing.

-Matt

What? Nothing matters outside of the game itself barring some language barrier. All I care about is high level of play, I would rather lose to a good player than crush a monkey. If your opponent doesn't care about personal hygiene, he probably doesn't care too much about anything and should be an easy win. Really, think about it. How many Stinky-Petes have you lost against?