CatPost

[beez]

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=221555&type=card http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=49050&type=card http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=178560&type=card http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=249742&type=card


I had been intending to make this deck since the printing of Gilded Lotus last summer to make this deck, but have only gotten around to it recently. And surprisingly, it's actually pretty good. Why shouldn't White have fun with Cloudpost too?

Admittedly it is a bit slow and hamfisted, but I have found that it is these features that make it resilient enough to fight through counters and the types of disruption that it is weak to, to keep coming back again and again board wiping and putting out more and more tokens each time, becoming more and more powerful as the game goes along. Obviously, Gaddock Teeg is by far the biggest thorn in it's side, but that is how it goes. Loam and Cruciable decks require Rest in Peace to keep Posts from being wastelanded to infinity.

But on the plus side, many decks can't handle the relentlessness of it. I post it here for your amusement and if anyone wants to sleeve it up for thier own enjoyment or has any constructive suggestions.

CatPost

4x White Sun's Zenith
4x Martial Coup
2x Phyrexian Rebirth

2x Wrath of God
2x Day of Judgment
4x Cessation
4x Scourglass
1x Austere Command

4x Expedition Map
4x Marble Diamond
4x Gilded Lotus

4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost
4x Vesuva
4x Wasteland
10x Plains

Side
1x Wrath of God
1x Day of Judgement
1x Austere Command
4x Enlightened Tutor
2x Thorn of Amethyst
2x Ratchet Bomb
2x Leyline of Sanctity
2x Rest in Peace

[Wanderlust]

Haha love the idea! However, I think more combo hate is in order.

Got the gears in my brain turning, I'll have to go tinker with this.

[beez]

The best I got against Storm combo is 4x enlightened tutors for 2x Thorns and Ratchet Bombs for zero vs LED. 8 cards.

Show Scourglass against Show and Tell. With tutors you should have acces to eight of them. Maybe need to add Pithing Needle as an additional sideboard Silver Bullet with the tutors for the Sneak Attack portion, or Griselbrand or even Belcher. Or Liliana discard which dodges the Leylines. Yeah. Maybe Pithing Needle is needed for board too.

4x Enlightened Tutors and 2x Ratchet Bombs for 2 counters vs Teeg is best I have against that bear now. At least it dodges mom.

[Poron]

-4 Expedition Map
+4 Chalice of the Void

[Barook]

I would definitely include Karakas.

Other than that, what about Elspeths as alternate win conditions? Elspeth, Knight-Errant is a good card, although I guess Elspeth Tirel would fit your strategy better.

Another idea could be a splash for black by adding some fetchlands + duals and replacing the Diamond with Orzhov Signet. That would give you access to Lingerng Souls, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad and Vindicate, among other things.

[GoboLord]

Some suggestions:

* Boseiju to get your Wrath-cards + Martial Coup past countermagic
* Thespian Stage & Dark Depth - each of them as a 1-off to have a 2-cards combo. Especially useful since you run Expedition Maps
* Chalice of the Void, Trinisphere, Sphere of Resistance against non-aggro decks. Your deck is very good in destroying Permanents. With those artifacts you have some lock-pieces against spell-dense (combo-, control-) decks.
* Decree of Justice - very old-school, but cycling can't be countered by conventional counter-magic.
* Karakas, bc you would lose to Gaddok Teeg otherwise

[baghdadbob]

I would drop Cessation and Phyrexian Rebirth, they are kinda janky in my opinion.

-4 Cessation
+4 Swords to Plowshares (Good because your deck is slow and you can kill early threats if they are nuking your lands also because Gaddock Teeg reads "you lose...hard")
-2 Rebirth
+2 Decree of Justice or Entreat the Angels (Just better)

O-ring could also be nice to deal with pesky planeswalkers which could potentially be a beating with countermagic aimed at your 8 kill conditions. I agree with the guy that suggested Chalice that could be a nice addition too. Good luck on the deck. I love the name! :smile:

[nedleeds]

Was expecting Slash Panther. Would not recommend. Would not read again.

[Megadeus]

You run infinite wraths to beat the creature decks, but shouldnt your huge X Spells beat them anyway? You need stuff for control and combo. I was gonna say Chalice of the void as well.

Also I was hoping this would be a trading post deck :(

[beez]

-4 Expedition Map
+4 Chalice of the Void

Chalice would be good of course since I run high cc spells, but I don't know if slowing down the other deck would be worth slowing my own, since Expedition Map goes with Cloudpost like peanut butter and jelly. It would be nice not to get Thoughtsiezed early though. Maybe I could test sometime to see which is slowed down the most.

[beez]

I would definitely include Karakas.

Other than that, what about Elspeths as alternate win conditions? Elspeth, Knight-Errant is a good card, although I guess Elspeth Tirel would fit your strategy better.

Another idea could be a splash for black by adding some fetchlands + duals and replacing the Diamond with Orzhov Signet. That would give you access to Lingerng Souls, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad and Vindicate, among other things.

Karakas is a no brainer, and I guess I had no brain when I was putting the deck together. Perhaps because I don't own a Karakas so it wasn't at the top of my mind, but it certainly belongs in the deck. What is not to like? It produces White mana, gets rid of the deck's archenemy Gaddock Teeg, is another weapon against Sneaky and Reanimator decks and is essentially a 5 of in the deck if need be due to the expedition maps.

Elspeth Triel would be better and could make up for some life lost early, provide a few more tokens and survive my creature wipes. She does not survive Scourglass which is one way I deal with Planeswalkers. Maybe she is worth one slot? I don't know. I do have a B/W Token deck more geared to the Bitterblossom/ Lingering Souls/Elspeth/Sorin deck that is also a pretty good rogue deck. Probably a little better than this one even. It can be found here in the B/W Token Mania thread. I need to add Karakas to that deck as well. Mine is post #126

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?23293-W-b-Token-Mania!/page7

[beez]

Some suggestions:

* Boseiju to get your Wrath-cards + Martial Coup past countermagic
* Thespian Stage & Dark Depth - each of them as a 1-off to have a 2-cards combo. Especially useful since you run Expedition Maps
* Chalice of the Void, Trinisphere, Sphere of Resistance against non-aggro decks. Your deck is very good in destroying Permanents. With those artifacts you have some lock-pieces against spell-dense (combo-, control-) decks.
* Decree of Justice - very old-school, but cycling can't be countered by conventional counter-magic.
* Karakas, bc you would lose to Gaddok Teeg otherwise

Yeah I think I missed the obvious about Karakas being the best way to battle Teeg, and with Boseiju I think you have a good idea there as well, especially as that too can be fetched with Expedition Map (yet another reason why I'm wary of giving up my Expedition Maps for Chalice @1)

Trinisphere, is very tempting however, playing it on the third turn after I have cracked my Map for a Post or whatever. I will have to look more into. Possibly in the place of Marble Diamond which is sometimes helpful in White mana fixing and leting me wrath on turn 3 rather than 4, but is as often as not a useless draw.

I have thought of the Stage/Depths combo as I can fetch them as well, but it might be a bridge too far or a distraction when I don't have too much of a problem providing beats. I would throw them in there anyway even as a backup plan to the backup plan or a distracting wasteland target to save a Post, but I do have an issue with White mana fixing at times, hence the Marble Diamonds and Gilded Lotuses.

Decree of Justice would be perfect in this deck. You sold me on that one, and thanks for pointing out the cycling ability is uncounterable!!

[beez]

I would drop Cessation and Phyrexian Rebirth, they are kinda janky in my opinion.

-4 Cessation
+4 Swords to Plowshares (Good because your deck is slow and you can kill early threats if they are nuking your lands also because Gaddock Teeg reads "you lose...hard")
-2 Rebirth
+2 Decree of Justice or Entreat the Angels (Just better)

O-ring could also be nice to deal with pesky planeswalkers which could potentially be a beating with countermagic aimed at your 8 kill conditions. I agree with the guy that suggested Chalice that could be a nice addition too. Good luck on the deck. I love the name! :smile:

I agree that Pherexian Rebirth is kinda Janky. It is in there to wrath and provide a creature till I draw a WSZ or the real star of the deck, Martial Coup. Rebirth will likely be replaced by Decree of Justice, which seems pretty badass. I think maybe one, maybe two Entreat the Angels would be great because you can't beat the miracle cost, but without the miracle it is strictly worse than Zenith,Coup and Decree.

Cessetion is not quite as janky as it appears, but could possibly be moved to the board as it is mainly for aggro matchups such as Delver and Goyfs. I had asked myself why play Cessetion over the boarded Wraths when I could wipe all the creatures rather than just keep one from attacking? Well for one it costs one less mana and one less white mana and can be played a turn sooner, and another I became aware of people playing one threat at a time like a Delver or Goyf to make me waste wraths on one creature. With Cessetion they have to play more than one creature which makes wraths more effective. Also I noticed that when you Wrath you catch a creature or two or three and your Wrath is gone. Cessetion goes back to your hand and you can do it again and again. Then you may have two Cessetions in your hand and each Wrath becomes that much better. It can be very VERY annoying and dispiriting to the opponent. I should know. I got the idea from a friend of mine who used it against me in a Worship/Planar Collapse deck back in the day. Also along with Scourglass gives you eight targets to drop against Show and Tell fatties.

O ring doesnt quite have the same synergy in this deck at least.

Sword to Plowshares is great early game, but Id rather have a wrath or Cessetion later, plus I assume Teeg will be protected by Mom much of the time.

[beez]

Was expecting Slash Panther. Would not recommend. Would not read again.

Slash Panther + High Tide FTW

[beez]

You run infinite wraths to beat the creature decks, but shouldnt your huge X Spells beat them anyway? You need stuff for control and combo. I was gonna say Chalice of the void as well.

Also I was hoping this would be a trading post deck :(

I actually do have an Empires deck that runs two Trading Posts. It is somewhat similar to this in that it runs a bunch of board wipes, in that case including Supreme Verdict since it is a U/W deck. It fetches the Throne,Scepter and Crown with Enlightened Tutors and Fabricates, and like CatPost uses Scourglass to wipe everything but the artifacts.

[MGB]

So basically it's a deck that can only beat opposing aggro decks.

And it's extremely vulnerable to mana denial of any kind.

If you want to just beat the crap out of aggro decks, play Lands. Or play Miracles. Or even play the Turbo Eldrazi deck. All of those decks do what this does (beat aggro), but do it better. And some of those decks actually have game against control and combo as well.

I mean, competitively, this deck basically has little to no value. If you like playing with these cards, then fine, but that's probably a Casual section issue.

[beez]

When I feel like being a Spike I bring out my Merfolk and bash your head in, or my Pox and make your life rather miserable. Those easily win most of their matches, but part of the fun of MTG is making decks that aren't two cards different from whatever other decks are out there and calling it a "new" deck. I know this deck thumps aggro and have gotten some good advice here about how to tighten it up in other areas. I beat BUG delver and Sneaky Show with it a couple of weeks ago, and that was with the earlier form which I think is much improved now after this forumn discussion, isn't that what it is for? So I know it has some game more than a half assed casual deck. Would I bring it to a Grand Prix? Certainly not right now. Will I take it to a small local tourny for a lark sometime? Probably. Much can be said for the element of surprise.Right now it is one of the decks I sometimes play before or after tournys or if there is time for a casual game if the round match ended early.

As for it's drawbacks.Most white decks only have Thalia or Ethersworn Cannonist against Storm. How is my deck any different? They use GSZ to tutor. I don't use creatures due to wrath effects but I now maindeck 4 Trinispheres and can tutor the Thorn and have it out on turn two with 4 Enlightened Tutors. Is that worse than, say, Maverick against Storm? I also have 4 maindeck answers to Show and Tell (4 Scourglass do just fine) with Cessations to add from the board. And 4 Tutors to get them if necessary. Not even counting all the wraths if they are unable to drop a fatty until turn 3 or 4. I also have 4 Pithing Needles against Sneak Attack portion. Thorn vs Omni junk. Need to think about that matchup a bit more. I have to have a pretty horrible draw to not have an answer they have to respond to by turn two. It may not be ideal, and like most non blue decks will never be optimal vs combo, but it is not an auto loss and not really any worse in those matchups than a lot of non blue decks I can think of.

And control? The spells get too large for Countertop to handle and can produce more than they have Terminus anyway.As for Forces, I generally don't care about getting my wraths or creature producing spells countered that much. I just play through it because I have more of those type spells than they do counters. Especially now that I have Decree of Justice in there which is an ability that can't be countered anyway. Also against non aggro decks just having one of those spells stick ONCE is usually enough. dropping a few soldiers or 3-4 2/2 Cats is more than they want to deal with. And there will be more coming. I worry about counters more for them countering my answers to their combo or whatever, but isn't that the case for most decks against them? Tell me again what Death and Taxes does?

Wastelands are a problem of course, and I have 4 Pithing Needles against them and RIP against Loam. But to tell me my deck is worse than Eldrazi or I should play that instead, you mistake how this deck works. Those decks sweat the mana much harder because they need a very HIGH and very SPECIFIC amount of mana to cast a big Eldrazi which is the only way they can win other than an unlikely Titan beatdown. I may drop 5 1/1 soldiers,chump block a turn or two. Lay down a Post or two, maybe get one wastelanded, whatever. Then I board wipe again and lay out 9 2/2 Cats. Maybe would've been 12 2/2 cats if one Post didn't get wastelanded. Big deal. Plus unless you are Loaming or cruciable of worlds (not that common) then I will certainly draw or tutor more Posts than you will Wastelands over time. And since I don't need a specific amount, any is fine. This deck is grindy. That is fine also, I am a Pox player.

[beez]

Anyway, thanks for the helpful suggestions here. I have ordered the Decrees of Justice and think they will be all-stars in here, and will probably borrow a Karakas until I get one, since my "Spike-y" Legacy decks are not white. Other than that, I look forward to trying out this new build in the next couple of weeks hopefully.

CatPost



4x White Sun Zenith
4x Martial Coup
4x Decree of Justice
1x Entreat the Angels

3x Wrath of God
3x Day of Judgment
4x Scourglass
1x Austere Command

4x Expedition Map
4x Gilded Lotus
4x Trinisphere

4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost
4x Vesuva
1x Karakas
1x Boseiju
10x Plains

Side
2x Cessation
4x Enlightened Tutor
4x Pithing Needle
1x Chalice of the Void
1x Ratchet Bomb
2x Rest in Peace
1x Thorn of Amethyst

[thecrav]

I have nothing to add, but I think this deck should be called "Scratching Post" for added lols.

[Darkenslight]

I have nothing to add, but I think this deck should be called "Scratching Post" for added lols.

If it had Trading Post, sure.

[beez]

LOL, always fun to use some Goat tokens.

[klaus]

I'm positive you'll struggle big time against any deck packing Wastelands and applying early pressure.
More often than not you'll find yourself not being able to ramp up to 4-5 on time, problem being your curve is so high that you won't be able to do much in the meantime, which is why I'm advocating to trade some of the MD sweepers for a full set of either STP or Chalice.

[baghdadbob]

I'm positive you'll struggle big time against any deck packing Wastelands and applying early pressure.
More often than not you'll find yourself not being able to ramp up to 4-5 on time, problem being your curve is so high that you won't be able to do much in the meantime, which is why I'm advocating to trade some of the MD sweepers for a full set of either STP or Chalice.

This. I prefer swords because you don't run any tombs/citys for the turn 1 chalice. Also marble diamond just sucks so hard because it comes into play tapped. Although I don't know what I would replace it with.

4x White Sun's Zenith
4x Martial Coup
2x Decree of Justice
4x Swords to Plowshare
3x Wrath of God
2x Day of Judgment
4x Expedition Map
1x Gauntlet of Power
2x Everflowing Chalice
4x Gilded Lotus
4x Oblivion Ring
4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost
4x Vesuva
4x Wasteland
10x Plains

[jarvisyu]

It's CAT O'CLOCK.

http://www.zizibaloob.com/pics/ajanicats.png

[beez]

This. I prefer swords because you don't run any tombs/citys for the turn 1 chalice. Also marble diamond just sucks so hard because it comes into play tapped. Although I don't know what I would replace it with.

4x White Sun's Zenith
4x Martial Coup
2x Decree of Justice
4x Swords to Plowshare
3x Wrath of God
2x Day of Judgment
4x Expedition Map
1x Gauntlet of Power
2x Everflowing Chalice
4x Gilded Lotus
4x Oblivion Ring
4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost
4x Vesuva
4x Wasteland
10x Plains

Really like your list a lot

I do see your guys point. And perhaps I am indeed being too greedy and it is worth it to save myself some early beats from Delver and Goyf, Bob, merfolk lords etc until I stabalize and control the creature board. So far I have just endured a couple of wastelands each game as I can get more posts than they have wastelands, but since more than 50% of Legacy decks run Wasteland perhaps I should just maindeck the Pithing Needles and name Wasteland right off the bat. Particularly since I dont like Wasteland in my own deck cause it is yet more colorless mana when I actually do need some white, it messes with my curve and I dont particularly care what lands the other player has, and I am certainly not running tempo. With any extra Needles I could name Jace or whatever I see they are pkaying. Or Liliana. She can be a problem for this deck since it likes to hold cards. Yeah, maybe maindecking Needle is something to consider. What do you think?

[beez]

it's cat o'clock.

http://www.zizibaloob.com/pics/ajanicats.png

bwahahahaaa!!

[jarvisyu]

bwahahahaaa!!

that is me losing to ajani's ult in that respective limited format. I figured it was apropos to this thread.

[Slag]

Really like your list a lot

I do see your guys point. And perhaps I am indeed being too greedy and it is worth it to save myself some early beats from Delver and Goyf, Bob, merfolk lords etc until I stabalize and control the creature board. So far I have just endured a couple of wastelands each game as I can get more posts than they have wastelands, but since more than 50% of Legacy decks run Wasteland perhaps I should just maindeck the Pithing Needles and name Wasteland right off the bat. Particularly since I dont like Wasteland in my own deck cause it is yet more colorless mana when I actually do need some white, it messes with my curve and I dont particularly care what lands the other player has, and I am certainly not running tempo. With any extra Needles I could name Jace or whatever I see they are pkaying. Or Liliana. She can be a problem for this deck since it likes to hold cards. Yeah, maybe maindecking Needle is something to consider. What do you think?

If you move your enlightened tutors to the maindeck, you can run one needle, along with some useful targets (crucible, porphery nodes?), and maybe one over-costed artifact. That way, you'll get access to needles along with added utility.

[beez]

Also an idea worth considering. I could maybe still keep one Scourglass or one Cessation (you guys still don't understand just how dirty Cessation is in conjunction with a bunch of wrath effects). The question is always what to leave in and what to take out. It does make it more open to being hurt by Chalice @1 though. I will think on it though.
How about Humilty on the side, though it does make Cats and Angels smaller.

[beez]

Can we run a singleton Ajani, Caller of the Pride? Can we Ma? At worse he pumps a soldier a bit each turn. At best he just ends the game. Remember, there is a bit of lifegain with the Glimmerposts too.

[Slag]

Can we run a singleton Ajani, Caller of the Pride? Can we Ma? At worse he pumps a soldier a bit each turn. At best he just ends the game. Remember, there is a bit of lifegain with the Glimmerposts too.

Hell, run two. You brought home enough smiley faces on your report card that you've earned it, champ.

[beez]

Unfortunately Ajani seems like win more in this deck. After some testing and considering comments, I like this list at the moment:

CatPost

3x White Sun Zenith
4x Martial Coup
4x Decree of Justice

1x Cessation
2x Wrath of God
2x Day of Judgment
4x Swords to Plowshares
3x Oblivion Ring
4x Enlightened Tutor
4x Expedition Map
4x Gilded Lotus
2x Pithing Needle

4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost
4x Vesuva
1x Karakas
1x Boseiju
10x Plains

Side
1x Cessation
2x Pithing Needle
1x Oblivion Ring
1x Austere Command
2x Ratchet Bomb
3x Rest in Peace
1x Thorn of Amethyst
1x Chalice of the Void
1x Wrath of God
1x Day of Judgment
1x Humility


The suggestion of maindecking Enlightened Tutor to fetch the Pithing Needle against Wasteland among other things was a good one. It even opens up lines of play in fetching Expedition Map if you need a Post, or a Cessation if you need to drop it on a goyf or delver, or an Oblivion ring against a non creature threat. And all that is without even sideboarding yet.