[Everyday Eternal] Podcast 4: Community Building

[sdematt]

Everyday Eternal Podcast 4 is now available for your viewing pleasure!

http://www.eternalcentral.com/?p=4081

In this episode we talk about community building, punishing the metagame, pimping, and we give a few deck lists to maybe work off of going into the rules change later this month!

You can reach us here or at @EternalMTG on Twitter or EverydayEternal@gmail.com

Thoughts?

-Matt

[Shawon]

Listening to this with the new speakers I just got. Yay, I can actually understand more than 90% of the words you guys say!

[warfordium]

which kind of Cabal Therapy deck are we? Dredge, Combo, or midrange-value?

[sdematt]

which kind of Cabal Therapy deck are we? Dredge, Combo, or midrange-value?

State the deck you are, then state a situation. We'll be going over as many possibilities as we can.

-Matt

[Kayradis]

Listened to it while at work.

Good podcast.
Now play defense grid.

[nedleeds]

Matt called Tundra life changing.

Hahhahahahaah "fuck this does nothing vapor" ....

[sdematt]

Matt called Tundra life changing.

Hahhahahahaah "fuck this does nothing vapor" ....

JTMFMS: Jace the mother fuckin' Mind Sculptor.

-Matt

[mini1337s]

Each podcast just gets better and better, particularly in terms of organization and quality. I certainly don't expect a professional radio crew, but it's nice that it's more structured than Skype rambling :)

Touching on the proxy discussion, here in Halifax, we allowed unlimited proxies, for a few reasons.
A) It gives incentive to try out the format without cost. Try before you buy; if you hate it, you are out about $.45 and 15 minutes with a sharpie. Alternatively, if you like it, it's less intimidating because you can buy in at a pace that is affordable, rather than dumping $1,000-2,000 at once.
B) It gives us variety in the metagame. People can try out decks that have prohibitively expensive cards (like High Tide with Candelabras or Painter's Stone with Imperial Recruiter) or they can try out new decks.
C) It hasn't been abused in the 2 years we've run weekly events. Generally, people have a lot of the more common crossformat staples. A popular deck in Halifax is Jund, so players generally have everything but the dual-lands, wastelands, and Onslaught fetches.
D) We all pay in to the store ($5 entry) and they pay that full amount out in store credit, which gives incentive to purchase from the store. People typically drop a couple hundred dollars for the bulk of the deck, and then can win store credit overtime to pickup a dual, or a wasteland, etc. Most people will pay partial credit/partial cash, which is a win for the store as well ($80 cash, $50 credit for a Tundra, etc).

I appreciate pimp, and go out of my way to purchase it, but I understand that a lot of people don't have the money (whether because of other obligations or a lackluster career choice) to even get in the game at the most basic level. Basically, when we started events in 2011, we decided we'd rather be playing the game than worrying about WOTC legal decklists, and it's worked for us. We hit between 10-22 players on Thursday nights (typically 14-16), which isn't bad for a random Canadian province. Our last legacy tournament had almost 60 people, with 0 proxies, and a majority of the players were locals with tiered decks, not shockland replacement specials.

TLDR: Generate interest in a format by allowing a no-risk/no-obligation buy-in, and people will fall in love with the format.

[nedleeds]

Sam did an outstanding job of making this sound anything close to coherent. We had skype explode and shit blood multiple times ... it had us pausing and twitching like epileptics in a ball pit.

[Koby]

Sam did an outstanding job of making this sound anything close to coherent. We had skype explode and shit blood multiple times ... it had us pausing and twitching like epileptics in a ball pit.

Not to mention my seven 8min.files that needed to be pushed together because iPhone is a piece of shit useless content generating device outside of it's peep-cam. Seriously, bang up job that Sam did. He deserves a beer. Donations for Beer/Power 9 funds for Sam are welcome and encouraged.

[alphastryk]

Good stuff. I'm biased, but Miracles does feel like a good place to be post-rules change.

[Shawn]

I've been enjoying these a lot so far. Someone's mic was picking up a bunch of clicking in this one.

[Koby]

That was me. I'll gladly accept a professional studio for improved sound recording environment. Until that time, DEAL. :D

[phazonmutant]

Not to mention my seven 8min.files that needed to be pushed together because iPhone is a piece of shit useless content generating device outside of it's peep-cam. Seriously, bang up job that Sam did. He deserves a beer. Donations for Beer/Power 9 funds for Sam are welcome and encouraged.

How do you guys do the actual podcast? On Skype?

[Megadeus]

Another great pod cast. The one thing I have on Community building is just how I got into the format... I was at SCG Birmingham last year in April for my birthday, I was thinking of building Mono Black Pox with this mind set that I could play legacy on a budget for fun because watching SCG Streams looked interesting to me. After trading for Lilianas at 30 (I thought that was a lot!) I finally had my budget Pox built. Then I remember seeing Caleb Durward playing Nic Fit, which looked like a very fun deck to me so I ended up just trading all of my standard cards to play Nic Fit. I traded for everything that wasnt Bayou (I Slowly bought those 1 by 1). Then I remember bringing it up to Supergames. I played against a local guy JT Hendricks on UW Standstill. I remember getting absolutely slaughtered. I had no Idea how to play around standstill, I was constantly terrified of Force of Will thinking it was super over powered, and just playing terribly. But after the game he kind of gave me some pointers after I told him it was my first sanctioned legacy game ever. Just walking around seeing everyone playing these sweet decks with sweet cards really got me hooked in.

What I am trying to say though is that I think it takes certain types of players. Im not an excellent player, and I wasn't winning tourneys when I played standard so I got into a format where I was having a lot of fun. I think that Legacy just needs more exposure to some players to show them how fun it can be. One store in our area never did legacy and when I told him I was getting into it, he obviously knew nothing about the format. He just said something along the lines of Turn one kills every game and such which is definitely not the case. I think that people just need to be shown that the format is not just degenerate combo decks. I also remember testing during an FnM and a guy was watching me vs Maverick when I was playing TES, and I turn one'd the maverick deck 2 games in a row, and he just said, "Why doesn't everyone just play that deck?". We attempted to explain to him why, but he just didn't understand and walked away shaking his head. People just need to be shown that the format is not just "Derp turn one kill you".

[mini1337s]

People just need to be shown that the format is not just "Derp turn one kill you".
Amen. And the same goes for Vintage!
Ok, sure, you can lose on turn 1 from time to time, but you get to win on turn 1 too :)

[Koby]

How do you guys do the actual podcast? On Skype?

Spilling some Trade Secrets here, but we sync up with Skype and record locally on your computers (iPhone?). Then the Technologic Wizard of Bits and Chips does his voodoo brand of Magic and somehow we end up with a clear audio stream from every one of us. It's like Magic or some Sorcery.

[nedleeds]

How do you guys do the actual podcast? On Skype?

The skypes. But we record individually. Then we ship Sam lady boys and heroin and he splices it together.

[ESG]

On underplayed cards, you guys went deep. Green Sun's Zenith for Realm Razer? Don't see that every day. True story: I once ate all my lands with a Zuran Orb with a Reanimator opponent's Realm Razer on the stack. Next turn I dropped a Crucible of Worlds (with the help of a Mox Diamond I had in play) and got them all back in the next two turns via Exploration. I left his Realm Razer in play and just showed it the hand forever with Maze of Ith.

The problem with Suppression Field is that A) It's symmetrical; B) It doesn't stop creatures from swinging; C) It generally doesn't stop combo from killing you, especially in the age of Show and Tell; and D) It takes the place of cards that could be stopping B or C. I've tested the card, and every time I do, I'm reminded of how much I would rather harness the subtle power of fetches than try to fight them. Rest in Peace and Chalice of the Void are far easier cards to exploit than Suppression Field.

Edit: I like the discussion of recent tournaments. Helps fill the void left by Too Much Information. I also like the alternative prize suggestions.

[Shawon]

Good podcast! I like the way Koby starts it off, nice clear and simple. The community building aspect didn't really apply to me, but I liked the brainstorming about ways to get more players involved. I agree with Matt (or Sam?) that lending decks is a good way to get more players interested since a lot of players just straight up say "Oh, I don't play Legacy. I can't afford it."

I'm glad you guys brought up the legend rules change and reminded us that it hadn't been implemented yet. I knew in my head when the changes would take effect, but I kinda already began to reflexively incorporate those changes into my field of vision when looking at Legacy top 16s. "Hmmm, I wonder why no one's top 16'd with Thespian-Depths yet?" "Why does that deck have FOUR Jace the Mind Sculptor? Jace is harder to kill now, you don't need 4!"

Matt: Also keep an eye out for Leonin Bola as newcomer SFM tech! It taps down anything, including Jitte carriers and Emrakul. It also has cool synergy with Batterskull. "Declare attack, before blockers, tap one of your creatures, attack for 4 unblocked, gain 4." :cool:

Podcasters: As for Cabal Therapy scenarios you could talk about in your podcast, can you guys go over how to use Cabal Therapy against specific combo matchups? Say these:

Elves
Sneak-Show
Storm

[thecrav]

How do you guys do the actual podcast? On Skype?

A lot of people have asked this. I'm going to do my best to get a blog post up in the next week or so about how we do everything from initial recording to editing.



Podcasters: As for Cabal Therapy scenarios you could talk about in your podcast, can you guys go over how to use Cabal Therapy against specific combo matchups? Say these:

Elves
Sneak-Show
Storm

Argh! We missed you!

For future reference, we start recording at 9:30 Eastern so around 9:00 is the cutoff for new stuff to be submitted.

At some time in the future, we may do a live cast, but we'll hold that off until we collectively have better casting setups - right now Koby is without his own computer and I'm on my cell phone's internet connection.

More shameless self promotion: We now have a FaceBook page at https://www.facebook.com/EverydayEternalPodcast . Make sure you social media the heck out of us!

[(nameless one)]

@nedleeds:

I love Land Tax+Scroll Rack. I admit, I get a boner whenever I see a Parfait list.

When you posted the Parfait list, was that geared for the current meta or the projected meta post M14?

[nedleeds]

There is no meta. Just the randomness of your match ups. People love wasting bytes and air predicting but every store and event is different ... and even after all that you can still end up against Painter in round 1. You can tune a deck against another deck/arch-type, or be concessionary to a deck/arch-type and hope to not face it (and likely build a sideboard against it).

That posted list is fairly old ... the week after RtR released I believe. It's W/r control, leveraging the miracle mechanic. Hammers any mid-rangey creature deck but it probably worse vs. blue control and of course soft to storm -- barring sacking into a white leyline or something.

[Megadeus]

There is no meta. Just the randomness of your match ups. People love wasting bytes and air predicting but every store and event is different ... and even after all that you can still end up against Painter in round 1. You can tune a deck against another deck/arch-type, or be concessionary to a deck/arch-type and hope to not face it (and likely build a sideboard against it).

That posted list is fairly old ... the week after RtR released I believe. It's W/r control, leveraging the miracle mechanic. Hammers any mid-rangey creature deck but it probably worse vs. blue control and of course soft to storm -- barring sacking into a white leyline or something.

It is also weak to pernicious deed... ;)

[nedleeds]

It is also weak to pernicious deed... ;)

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEED ... well there were 3 or 4 show tell decks Wednesday ... deed is Bone Flute vs. that deck ...

[L0cke]

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEED ... well there were 3 or 4 show tell decks Wednesday ... deed is Bone Flute vs. that deck ...

Just play Aluren, beats Show and Tell AND Deed. They Show Omniscience, you show Aluren, they try to cast something, you kill them in response! Aluren is just like Omniscience, but fairer for everyone. Except omni-derp doesn't play <3cmc dudes.

[sdematt]

Just play Aluren, beats Show and Tell AND Deed. They Show Omniscience, you show Aluren, they try to cast something, you kill them in response! Aluren is just like Omniscience, but fairer for everyone. Except omni-derp doesn't play <3cmc dudes.

Because you always have the pieces in hand, you never have to dig for it!

-Matt

[L0cke]

Were already living in fantasy land where Recruiters are cheap, and you have Aluren in hand every time they cast Show and Tell, so yeah, of course we do! On the other hand, looping Coiling Oracle and Cavern Harpy is almost like a terrible three card Grislebrand, and gets you pretty far into your deck.

[Megadeus]

Were already living in fantasy land where Recruiters are cheap, and you have Aluren in hand every time they cast Show and Tell, so yeah, of course we do! On the other hand, looping Coiling Oracle and Cavern Harpy is almost like a terrible three card Grislebrand, and gets you pretty far into your deck.

To be fair Judge foils can be had for a hundred dollars on SCG. Thats the same price as FOW and LED and less than any blue dual. Thats not too bad if you ask me

[Barook]

To be fair Judge foils can be had for a hundred dollars on SCG. Thats the same price as FOW and LED and less than any blue dual. Thats not too bad if you ask me

FoW and LED are staples, though. Recruiter is merely a niche card.

[Megadeus]

FoW and LED are staples, though. Recruiter is merely a niche card.

True. Im just pointing out that they are no longer any less attainable price wise than other cards that many people have playsets of.

[saspook]

The audio level was much better, but the smug level was almost enough for me to unsubscribe. Some people might be into listening to smug assholes make insider jokes, but it is possible to have a good time and a good podcast without them.

I much prefer Serious Vintage because they are assholes only 5% of the time (sandwich punching) and still having a fun time.

Also, if you record the introduction after you do the podcast, then you know what you will be covering!

[nedleeds]

Just play Aluren, beats Show and Tell AND Deed. They Show Omniscience, you show Aluren, they try to cast something, you kill them in response! Aluren is just like Omniscience, but fairer for everyone. Except omni-derp doesn't play <3cmc dudes.

I didn't have a 4th Korean Aluren. It's on it's way though and then I can truly play the deck with being humiliated by a sub-optimal Aluren being put into play.

Wednesday for me was the worst kind of Show and Tell loss ... Cabal Therapy name SnT ... next turn with no library manipulation -- off the top. Twice. In a row. I think I need to play modern for a few weeks.

[nedleeds]

The audio level was much better, but the smug level was almost enough for me to unsubscribe. Some people might be into listening to smug assholes make insider jokes, but it is possible to have a good time and a good podcast without them.

I much prefer Serious Vintage because they are assholes only 5% of the time (sandwich punching) and still having a fun time.

Also, if you record the introduction after you do the podcast, then you know what you will be covering!

Thanks for giving us a try, sorry you hate us. Enjoy Serious Vintage!

[saspook]

Thanks for giving us a try, sorry you hate us. Enjoy Serious Vintage!

I was trying to provide positive feedback through a comparative example, not to be disparaging. Here is some more feedback.

Four hosts might be pushing the high end of voices each week, especially if you ever plan to have guests. Koby alluded to on the podcast that one of the hosts was sick the week prior, I would have liked for the podcast not to have skipped a week and would think that the three other hosts would be sufficient for that week. Next time one of the four of you is unavailable, give it a try being a man down, or bring in a guest.

When you were going over the SCG results, one of the hosts said "hold on while I pull up the final standings". This is something that should have been done before the recording started.

[nedleeds]

I was trying to provide positive feedback through a comparative example, not to be disparaging. Here is some more feedback.

Four hosts might be pushing the high end of voices each week, especially if you ever plan to have guests. Koby alluded to on the podcast that one of the hosts was sick the week prior, I would have liked for the podcast not to have skipped a week and would think that the three other hosts would be sufficient for that week. Next time one of the four of you is unavailable, give it a try being a man down, or bring in a guest.

When you were going over the SCG results, one of the hosts said "hold on while I pull up the final standings". This is something that should have been done before the recording started.


listening to smug assholes

Sounds pretty disparaging to me and I'm pretty well versed in disparaging. So how about this; fuck off and don't ever listen to my podcast again - you won't be missed. Thanks!

[phazonmutant]

Sounds pretty disparaging to me and I'm pretty well versed in disparaging. So how about this; fuck off and don't ever listen to my podcast again - you won't be missed. Thanks!

A community building pro at work

[sdematt]

When you were going over the SCG results, one of the hosts said "hold on while I pull up the final standings". This is something that should have been done before the recording started.

In the pre-podcast talk, we said we were going to gloss over them, not discuss them. I was taken by surprise by this and had to pull them up. I could have not said anything and just lied until I got them up by covering, but we're a casual, honest podcast.

Also, the smug attitude comment: we're not doing inside jokes for the sake of an exclusionary tone, we have inside jokes because we know each other. Is there a particular example of the "smugness" you're talking about? We're not trying to do this on purpose. Of course at times we're going to joke about players making big mistakes or be elitists regarding pimping (considering this episode was partly about pimping), but otherwise, we try not to.

We always do have a lineup/outline made up and talked about prior to the podcast, but listening to the previous casts it seems like no one actually announces it. Good catch. We'll do that.

Thanks!

-Matt

[ceustice]

Its awesome you guys mentioned Cabal Therapy, because I had a friend just the other day ask me "How is this card was even good?" This completely blew my mind.

[oarsman]

Sounds pretty disparaging to me and I'm pretty well versed in disparaging. So how about this; fuck off and don't ever listen to my podcast again - you won't be missed. Thanks!


Seriously, that's your response to someone with an opinion on your show? I thought saspook's first response was fair, and his second one offered up some reasonable constructive criticism.

[nedleeds]

Seriously, that's your response to someone with an opinion on your show? I thought saspook's first response was fair, and his second one offered up some reasonable constructive criticism.

It's my response to a personal (
listening to smug assholes) attack. If he thinks we're assholes he's under no obligation to listen, I'm under no obligation to care about his feedback and as we get no compensation for his listenership I could give a shit if he never listens again. It's 3-6 hours of man time on the recording and at least much to work to edit it - all of which is for absolutely no gain. So if somebody wants to call me an asshole I'll move on with my day, put him on my ignore list and that's it. No big deal for me, and none for him as there's endless shit to listen to on the internet.

[saspook]

It's my response to a personal () attack.

If you re-read it, the only person or group of people that I called assholes were the Serious Vintage guys. Destroying another persons sandwich is not funny.

It was a warning that your group is smug - and could easily turn the podcast into an inbred 'meta game' that doesn't add value to the community and doesn't have any listeners.

Specifics for Matt? I don't quite remember but, Sean playing with foreign cards because he doesn't like people and like seeing them get GRV's is not smug. Mostly it was the conversation on under played cards (Chalice of the Void and Sam reading off a list of one drops that would be countered and most of the rest of that discussion). Comments on 'things SCG players do' gets pretty boring. Comments like the Merit Large discussion "Berserk Motherfuckers" and "You (audience listener) need to do X to succeed because Y is the best thing ever." also contribute.

[sdematt]

If you re-read it, the only person or group of people that I called assholes were the Serious Vintage guys. Destroying another persons sandwich is not funny.

It was a warning that your group is smug - and could easily turn the podcast into an inbred 'meta game' that doesn't add value to the community and doesn't have any listeners.

Specifics for Matt? I don't quite remember but, Sean playing with foreign cards because he doesn't like people and like seeing them get GRV's is not smug. Mostly it was the conversation on under played cards (Chalice of the Void and Sam reading off a list of one drops that would be countered and most of the rest of that discussion). Comments on 'things SCG players do' gets pretty boring. Comments like the Merit Large discussion "Berserk Motherfuckers" and "You (audience listener) need to do X to succeed because Y is the best thing ever." also contribute.

I mean, Sean's Sean. It's a particular character personality. I'm not really going to do anything about it, but we can tone it down a bit regarding random outbursts via creative editing. We can leave the more "fun" random tirades to after the show's over in the bonus track.

I'm just re-listening to this section on Chalice: I'm reiterating some arguments used against playing Chalice of the Void. I'm refuting hypotheses and how to actually play the card and what type of deck it would fit into. Not everyone has played Chalice before, since it was really widely played a few years ago and not recently.

The SCG circuit itself it one of the major circuits that at least North American Legacy players are going to be watching for footage, decks, and possibly new tech. Playing in these tournaments are a set of players that represent the subset of the total Legacy population. Yes, Sean shits all over the randoms that make mistakes in the SCG circuit, but what he's trying to do is explain mistakes in a more interesting and fun way. Yes, I'm not going to say he isn't being a bit of high and mighty long time player, but we're trying to ensure Legacy fundamentals are understood and followed. Players should know what an activated ability is regarding Suppression Field. Players should know what a trigger is, what APNAP is, etc. How you become a better player is knowing these rules, and we hope listening to some funny anecdotes hopes to reinforce correct play.

Also, we're not trying to say one route is "the best thing ever." We're saying if the listening audience wants to prey on a defined metagame, these are particular strategies one can follow that exploits a chink in the armour that is a defined Legacy metagame. I'm not going to argue that hyperbole is never used in the podcast, because I really can't argue against using literary devices in writing or speaking.


What I'm trying to say is, there's a group of personalities present here that tend to apply a bit of humour, anecdotal evidence, literary techniques, and brutal honesty to try and get across messages that obviously aren't reaching the Legacy community at large: how to properly play a game of Legacy using all the information at your disposal; analyzing decks, card choices, and your opponent; how to build a Legacy community; and to engage critical thinking when postulating about the format at large. We're merely trying to bring experience and format knowledge to the masses in our own way. We're pandering to an audience of hopefully somewhat established Legacy players looking for a bit more, but we're also hoping that newer and older players can also get something out of it.

-Matt

[Bichon_Blitz]

Entertaining podcast. Here's a topic for your next one: reprints. I'm of the opinion they should reprint every card ever made (derp, most) to make format more accessible to the masses, eff the "collectors" who drive up the prices. Unleash the fun of legacy to everyone!

[Mr Miagi]

Comments like the Merit Large discussion "Berserk Motherfuckers"

That was one creative outburst! I almost pissed my pants :laugh::laugh:

All in all I really like the podcasts, quality (sound, narration) has improved, like the content, good reasoning.. ocasional rants and "outbursts" like the one above just make the podcast more entertaining. Looking forward to the next one :wink:

[thecrav]

Its awesome you guys mentioned Cabal Therapy, because I had a friend just the other day ask me "How is this card was even good?" This completely blew my mind.

Prepare to have your mind extremely blown as soon as the next one goes up!

[ceustice]

I love the pod cast! Hell I love the smugness! I think that a lot of legacy players of the more mature variety (old) are smug, and hell I like it. I tell my friends that standard is like playing connect four, modern is like checkers, and legacy is like chess; and when you go to a chess tournament you sure as hell expect everyone to know what the hell they are doing.

[Edit] My mind was blown because I didn't quit understand how someone couldn't see the inherit power of Cabal therapy.

[aahz]

I tell my friends that standard is like playing connect four, modern is like checkers, and legacy is like chess
You forgot the "vintage is like go" part.

[twndomn]

It's my response to a personal () attack. If he thinks we're assholes he's under no obligation to listen, I'm under no obligation to care about his feedback and as we get no compensation for his listenership I could give a shit if he never listens again. It's 3-6 hours of man time on the recording and at least much to work to edit it - all of which is for absolutely no gain. So if somebody wants to call me an asshole I'll move on with my day, put him on my ignore list and that's it. No big deal for me, and none for him as there's endless shit to listen to on the internet.

You need to relax. Have you listened to podcasts other than Magic? http://www.podcastawards.com/ Give it a listen, any of the award winning podcasts can be helpful to the quality of your show.

With that said, you are always going to have haters, haters gonna hate no matter what. It's the by-product of making public content. It is the responsibility of your production group to make a conscious effort to make improvement based on constructive criticism. Have a note/index card in front of you... etc. At the least, you'll have listeners with love-hate relationship. They might still hate you, but they still listen.

We are not radio show host or stand-up comedian, they do audio for living, we are Magic players. However, we can strive to be the best of both worlds.

[nedleeds]

You need to relax. It is the responsibility of your production group to make a conscious effort to make improvement based on constructive criticism.

This is really getting nowhere, and I'm done with this topic after this. I don't need to do anything. Neither do you for that matter. Our "production group" who consists of basically one dude, burning his own free time and hours away from his girlfriend, hobbies, beer, repeats of Hell on Wheels etc.. doesn't have any responsibility to you. It's free. Free. No cost. You may obtain it in exchange for some internets. Free. If you want to point out errors, that you hate me/us it's fine, suggest topics (that's actually great), but don't imply we have some responsibility to you.

[Higgs]

I'm glad this podcast exists, there are now two Magic podcasts I listen to regularly with Serious Vintage. I think you guys are doing a good job. I enjoyed following your posts here as well so when you decided to put this together I thought it was the best possible crew for a hardcore Legacy podcast. I have one criticism though, overall it feels like the conversation isn't flowing very naturally at times. I get the impression that Koby and sdematt are trying to be proper and political and nedleeds is trying to break through it by forcing his more casual attitude. I mean in the last episode I can hear Jacob laughing to Sean's rants in the background but he isn't letting the conversation drag into to too long. I was watching his Legacy stream before and he was more laid back there. But I think it will get better in time as you guys get more used to this stuff. Thanks again for putting this together and keep it up!

[ceustice]

I've been working on building my Local Legacy community for the last 4 years, and have had little growth. I've gone as far as to accommodate which weekend we have the tournaments on, I've built 15 top decks and lone them out, have convinced the LGS owner to carry lots of great legacy staples. With all of this we still can't get the community to grow, our biggest participation has been 14 people, but only average 8 a week. So what I'm trying to say I is other then loaning out cards, good environment, does anybody out there have any ideas how to grow our scene.


[EDIT] Prize support is also pretty fantastic we do $10 entry with 120% going back out in store credit.

[Koby]

I've been working on building my Local Legacy community for the last 4 years, and have had little growth. I've gone as far as to accommodate which weekend we have the tournaments on, I've built 15 top decks and lone them out, have convinced the LGS owner to carry lots of great legacy staples. With all of this we still can't get the community to grow, our biggest participation has been 14 people, but only average 8 a week. So what I'm trying to say I is other then loaning out cards, good environment, does anybody out there have any ideas how to grow our scene.


[EDIT] Prize support is also pretty fantastic we do $10 entry with 120% going back out in store credit.

From what you describe it sounds like there isn't a large player pool to tap into. I'm not familiar with Texas geography; is this a populous part of the state?
If there are nearby stores, try doing some recruiting there.

It sounds like you're making the right strides, but the community is just refusing to attend. Is there a friendly environment at the shop? Between the players?

[saspook]

From what you describe it sounds like there isn't a large player pool to tap into. I'm not familiar with Texas geography; is this a populous part of the state?
If there are nearby stores, try doing some recruiting there.

It sounds like you're making the right strides, but the community is just refusing to attend. Is there a friendly environment at the shop? Between the players?

I think the event that started the Los Angeles Legacy community growing so well is that the two Michaels stopped showing up.

[ceustice]

From what you describe it sounds like there isn't a large player pool to tap into. I'm not familiar with Texas geography; is this a populous part of the state?
If there are nearby stores, try doing some recruiting there.

It sounds like you're making the right strides, but the community is just refusing to attend. Is there a friendly environment at the shop? Between the players?

Overall yeah the community is very friendly other then 1 guy who is a elitist, who did run off a group of players who drove 2 hours to play here, but other then him the group of regulars are great, polite, clean, and knowledgeable everything you want in a legacy community. The city is 103,000 population with a bunch of small 10-15k surrounding towns, but this is the biggest, nicest, best selection you can find anywhere in between Oklahoma City and DFW. The community here just turns there nose up and legacy and they actually just love standard.

[Megadeus]

People enjoy standard?

[mini1337s]

Overall yeah the community is very friendly other then 1 guy who is a elitist, who did run off a group of players who drove 2 hours to play here, but other then him the group of regulars are great, polite, clean, and knowledgeable everything you want in a legacy community. The city is 103,000 population with a bunch of small 10-15k surrounding towns, but this is the biggest, nicest, best selection you can find anywhere in between Oklahoma City and DFW. The community here just turns there nose up and legacy and they actually just love standard.
Halifax and the regional muncipalities sit at around 300,000 peope. We normally get 12-14 playing legacy weekly, but with the release of Modern Masters, attendance has been down. I think it may partially have gone down because of some store issues, but there has been a huge growth in attendance at a different store's Modern night.

[nedleeds]

I don't attend the largest Atlanta stores Modern night (Thursday) because it's the night after Wednesday legacy so I'm not sure if their Modern turnout has spiked. I did go to Modern this past week at a much smaller store on Wednesday night instead of going to Legacy and they had 16 for modern.

[Kayradis]

Halifax and the regional muncipalities sit at around 300,000 peope. We normally get 12-14 playing legacy weekly, but with the release of Modern Masters, attendance has been down. I think it may partially have gone down because of some store issues, but there has been a huge growth in attendance at a different store's Modern night.

I'd like also to point out that with 3+ university in town, the Halifax Magic community is feed by the yearly influx of students in the city. Summer being the down season for magic, I still believe we have a fairly strong community. We ran a 42 people FNM last friday (I hated myself being the T.O. for that shit-show). I've been slowly pushing more competitive players that show up at my LCS' FNM towards legacy (thanks to Feline's Budget lists and such) and let them give a shot at the format.

Modern still have some problem firing up. I see the main issue is the cost of building a modern deck in regards to building a Legacy deck. To be honest, I'd rather add 200-300$ to my spending into something I know wont be banned. It happenned twice to us(my cardpool partners and myself) that after finishing building one of the Tier 1 deck, WotC banned one key card in the deck. It's not in my habits of throwing cash in the fire. I see the difference between legacy and modern as the stock market. Why buy into something that could go either way when you have solid value in rare metal. I'd rather buy gold than buy some action from a company that will sell chips to upgrade furbies in the future.

mini1337 does an amazing job IRT keeping the format alive in the maritimes. Unfortunately, last weekend, one big tournament barely fired up with only 20 people in attendance.

Fall is coming soon.

Students in town = More players.
More players = bigger payout.