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Javacaos
07-18-2013, 02:28 PM
Hello guys i'm a reader of the forum for a long time, but that's my first post.
I've being toying whith diferent decks since Young Pyromancer was spoiled, but that one is the one i've got better results so far.
Of course is a work in progress and i'll apreciate constructive critics and ways to make it better, but at the moment i tested that list and was very good against almost all the meta game.
That's my current list:

Creatures
4x Dark Confidant
4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Young Pyromancer

Spells
3x Punishing Fire
3x Abrupt Decay
2x Swords to plowshares
4x Cabal Therapy
3x Thoughtseize
2x Lingering Souls
1x Maelstrom Pulse

Enchantments
2x Sylvan Library

Artifacts
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Batterskull

Lands
1x Bayou
1x Savannah
2x Plateau
2x Badlands
1x Scrubland
2x Arid Mesa
2x Marsh Flats
2x Verdant Catacombs
2x Wooded Foothills
4x Grove of the Burnwillows
3x Wasteland

SB
3x Pyroblast
2x Surgical Extraction
2x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Gaddock Teeg
2x Zealous Persecution
2x Wear//Tear
2x Duress

You got high density threat with Bob, Stoneforge, and Pyromancer, mana fixing with the shamans, protection with mother. Add hand disruption with the discard, and board disruption with decay, swords, P.fire, and you got it.
Some of you are gonna ask about the wastelands in a 4 colour deck, never being a problem cos i'm running 22 lands for a low mana curve, also they are very usefull for feed the shamans.
Ideas, sugestions?

Javacaos
07-20-2013, 08:33 AM
List updated with the 4th copy of Young Pyromancer, Stoneforge Mistyc and Cabal Therapy.
And Ancient Grudge changed for the Wear//Tear cos helps alot against the Leylan of Sanctity in the combo MU

frogger42
07-20-2013, 05:45 PM
Interesting deck. I ran a deck with power 2-drops, except I wanted to ramp into them right away - things like Confidant, SFM, Chalice of the Void. I'd run Chrome Mox and Mox Opal to make sure I made the play I wanted to right away.

I think there's great synergy between Pyromancer and P Fires (and SFM to equip), but I think Deathrite here is kinda wasted. His best ability - tapping for a mana - doesn't ramp into things like Liliana or Jace. He's really a Birds of Paradise that turns into an unblockable Isamaru when you don't need the mana, imo, anyway. Your deck also suffers from the same weakness of my deck, that it falls to opposing P Fire and especially Elesh Norn. You have outs, like Wasteland for Grove, but that puts you on the defensive with what looks like an aggressive deck to me. Jace and Lil get around those annoying cards, and while every deck doesn't pack P Fires, it'd be nice to build some strength against Jund and Reanimator MUs. And other random things I can't think of, like Jitte, threshed Mongeese. I just think it's a good idea to diversify your win-cons a bit, lets you dodge some of your opp's outs.

I'll also mention that you run 4 Deathrite and 3 Thoughtseize - assuming you don't want to run Therapy out on the play - is 7 enough 1-drops for you to get right out of the gates? You could also run something like Mox Diamond x2, which junk did when Mental Misstep was around - this would allow you of course to ramp into your 2-drops right away. Like a Deathrite with haste! Just a thought.

Also, an outside consideration is to run one basic so you don't get pounded out by something like Blood Moon or Back to Basics. This is a pretty minor consideration, but it'll also make you strong against Wasteland when you have to mull hard, get you out of other situations (Crucible + Wasteland, what have you) and makes your deck a lot stronger for the investment in one slot. Deathrite does that a little bit for you, but I guess I already mentioned he doesn't seem to do as much work for you as he does in, say, Deathblade. Good luck Javacaos.

Javacaos
07-21-2013, 02:57 AM
Thanks for the sugestions, i'll try the mox diamods, at least a couple, but you sugest like 20 land + diamonds?
But the thing is that the shamans are totally necessary cos after landind a threat (SFM, YP, and specially a Bob) i realized that the deck is mana intensive cos you are always wanting to cast things ( PFire, stoneforge activations, flasbacks, etz), and also shaman gives you the versatility, they are helping against GY (so reanimator and pfire) and shocks when its necesary. I know they are not the most threatening creature but i've found them very usefull.

Asgar
08-18-2013, 12:40 PM
Lili>> sylvan Library imo, Lili + punishing Fire is Insiane :)
Super Deck Idea anyway, i will definitely try it Out :)

MGB
08-18-2013, 05:09 PM
The fantastic four really is Dark Confidant, Young Pyromancer, Stoneforge Mystic, and Tarmogoyf.

And Snapcaster Mage is the fifth member of that team.

One broken 2cc creature for each color, finally.