Extended is dead

[lordofthepit]

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Fother%2F07222013

[Barook]

Extended was dead for years - they just decided to bury its rotting corpse now.

[Pippin]

And not a single tear was shed that day...

Wizards killed off Extended when they changed it to a 4 block format, long time ago.

[Gheizen64]

Extended died when they rotated out duals, and then died for real when they rotated out tempest/saga/MM blocks. Format was shit without waste, port, cradle and many more goodness that actually wasn't just powercreeped creatures.

My old RDW will be remembered forever as the best fun i had, in the best format (Duals Extended, Tempest onward). Lava darts, fanatics, pillage and Jackal pups.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Extended died when they rotated out duals, and then died for real when they rotated out tempest/saga/MM blocks. Format was shit without waste, port, cradle and many more goodness that actually wasn't just powercreeped creatures.

My old RDW will be remembered forever as the best fun i had, in the best format (Duals Extended, Tempest onward). Lava darts, fanatics, pillage and Jackal pups.

This is nothing but nostalgia.
The 7th Ed. - LRW (or how exactly it looked like) Extended was funny format. Ichorid, CAL, Tings, Ux Control, Zoo, Haterator, Boros, Tog, all those decks were nice and fun to play.

It's a little pity that there won't be any retention pool for the rotating Standard decks, where you could play their better/worst versions for at least few additional years. Another reason to stay away from Type2, unless you love to sink your money down the sewer pipe...

And yes, they definitely killed the Ext with the last change. I don't understand why they didn't kept/made it as an eight-last-blocks format, but as I play solely Legacy, I can't care less...

[dontbiteitholmes]

This is nothing but nostalgia.
The 7th Ed. - LRW (or how exactly it looked like) Extended was funny format. Ichorid, CAL, Tings, Ux Control, Zoo, Haterator, Boros, Tog, all those decks were nice and fun to play.

It's a little pity that there won't be any retention pool for the rotating Standard decks, where you could play their better/worst versions for at least few additional years. Another reason to stayaway from Type2, unless you love to sink your money down the sewer pipe...

And yes, they definitely killed the Ext with the last change. I don't understand why they didn't kept/made it as an eight-last-sets format, but as I play solely Legacy, I can't care less...

Modern? To an extent at least.

Seriously though Extended turned from a great format, to a decent format, to a stale format, to a 4 year format that was basically just "Hey remember that Standard deck you got tired as shit of playing against for the last 2 years, well guess what?"

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Modern? To an extent at least.

Seriously though Extended turned from a great format, to a decent format, to a stale format, to a 4 year format that was basically just "Hey remember that Standard deck you got tired as shit of playing against for the last 2 years, well guess what?"
I don't play neither of the two formats, but I fear that it isn't that easy to port a Standard deck to Modern AND hope for some good results with it. Extended was good for that. But I judge the format with my knowledge of the old one (7th Ed. and stuff, not the ancient one with duals and stuff), so I may be very wrong. I stopped playing it after 7th Ed. - ONS.block rotated out. And yes, that format wasn't a retention pool for rotated-out Standard decks, it was a unique format of its own spirit, with lots of playable decks and a card pool the size of Modern.

[Aggro_zombies]

"Oh my, what a surprise," said no one ever.

The invention of Modern was basically WotC grabbing its gun and taking Extended out behind the shed. The format had long been the sort of thing you cared about for one season of PTQs and maybe a GP or two and then promptly forgot about for a year. I'm willing to bet that making it a four-year format was a move calculated to make the player base dislike it so it could be quietly retired without anyone missing it.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I'm willing to bet that making it a four-year format was a move calculated to make the player base dislike it so it could be quietly retired without anyone missing it.
This. And I find it sad.

Why? Because (and now I will repeat myself) Modern isn't a safe place to go to when the Standard deck-that-the small-kid-plays rotates out. While the situation was like Standard - Extended - Modern - Eternal even few years ago (or Standard - Extended - Eternal a bit more few years ago), now it is Standard - gap - gap - still a gap - Modern - Eternal. I don't like it, but well, I need to admit once again that I don't play non-Legacy formats and stopped to understand and care about the Extended after INV - SCG rotated out.

It wouldn't be that painful for Wizards to make an eight-sets format for the young and starting players, where they could use their obsolete Standard decks, their crappy homebrews and their improved precons.

By killing the Extended, WotC basically says "we don't care that after each rotation you might just as well burn your money cards" and I don't like that approach. Otoh, I may be wrong with my guess about the Standard->Modern ports and in the next few years Exnteded will be completely forgotten, while the "from Standard to Modern" moves will become much more usual.

[Doks]

UBGr Psychatog, then UWr Scepter Control into UW Cloudpost Control. Hell yes, those were the days. Great format I'll definitely remember as an avid control player.

[dontbiteitholmes]

By killing the Extended, WotC basically says "we don't care that after each rotation you might just as well burn your money cards" and I don't like that approach. Otoh, I may be wrong with my guess about the Standard->Modern ports and in the next few years Exnteded will be completely forgotten, while the "from Standard to Modern" moves will become much more usual.

Yeah your just wrong here though. There only exists room in the space of serious formats for either Extended or Modern and Modern is better. For a real format to be successful it needs to be embraced by semi-casual players and those people aren't going to buy into 2 different formats that overlap so much. Extended sucked for a while. Even before it became a 4 year format no one EVER played it until they absolutely had to. That's why it got changed in the first place. After it became a 4 year format it was like, well shit... Now really no one wants to play because it was just the best Standard decks of the past 4 years with even better cards. I mean the LAST thing in the world I ever wanted to do after the last Standard rotation was sit across from that damn UW Delver tempo deck ever again, the rotation before that Jund, the rotation before that Faeries... So yeah, it's the format no one wants either way.

Extended never did much for card prices to be honest, I mean the standard back in the day was as soon as a card rotates it either becomes a Legacy staple or it's value crashes through the floor. Now a days the standard is well established. If a card can cut it in Modern it's value will probably go up, otherwise you ship it before rotation. It's really easy when you think about it.

[Koby]

Good riddance to Extended.

It used to be a format until WotC made it rotate annually. That's just too much turbulence for a format only played 2-3 months out of a year.

[nedleeds]

7. The number of nights a store has to run events for all games. Why have a format that will never ever get played above the other 5 formats?

- standardzz
- draft
- modern
- legacy
- vintage

Throw in block, EDH, pauper, cube etc. nobody was seriously putting an extended deck together. Build your own standard is far more interesting and hardly gets played.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Yeah your just wrong here though. There only exists room in the space of serious formats for either Extended or Modern and Modern is better. For a real format to be successful it needs to be embraced by semi-casual players and those people aren't going to buy into 2 different formats that overlap so much...

Yeah, maybe you're right. It'll be interesting to read the opinions of those semi-casual players, though. Our LGS was always full of people when there was "old" (the one with INV and such) Extended tournament, and even the Thursday's four-rounders hosted roughly the same amount of people as the other types.
Not that the Extended's death matters that much for me, because I really play Legacy only. But I remember that it was funny format, and until it was pressed out of the Thursday's evenings by Legacy, it was widely played and loved. See Doks' post above; I'm not the only one who liked it.
You might be right that Modern became or will become the retention pool for Standard, semi-casual, occasional players, I even wrote something quite similar in one of my above posts.



Good riddance to Extended.

It used to be a format until WotC made it rotate annually. That's just too much turbulence for a format only played 2-3 months out of a year.
Yes, the yearly rotations killed it.
I never did care about PT seasons, and I don't care of any tournaments outside our city, so I can't and won't argue the "type XY season" stuff.
For me the old Extended was a format to play, because there were four-rounds tournaments on each Thursday evening with about twenty people, and then there was a bigger event with at least 50 (but mostly 60+) people held approx. monthly on weekend. You may comment the numbers as you wish, but the Extended tournaments had roughly the same attendance as other formats, and nowadays Legacy hosts about the same number of players since it squeezed out Ext of Thursdays. (And later the Ext was finally killed by Modern). Even though I don't care of non-Legacy happenings, I still know that the other types (inluding any sort of previews) sport the same number of people. So clearly there was interest in the pre-killed Extended, but alas, there's no more, surprise, surprise, the format sucked since idk 2008?



7. The number of nights a store has to run events for all games. Why have a format that will never ever get played above the other 5 formats?

- standardzz
- draft
- modern
- legacy
- extended

Throw in block, EDH, pauper, cube etc. nobody was seriously putting a vintage deck together. Build your own standard is far more interesting and hardly gets played.
Fixed for you.
Vintage Thursdays were visited by five ppl, yeah, beloved format, indeed. It didn't need much time until it was decided to scrap it and make the even-Vintage/odd-Legacy Thursdays a Legacy-only evenings.
What's block? Isn't that something played three months in a year?
Cube? I NEVER seen anyone exert it in our LGS. Maybe some obscure shady people do the cube things in some dark corner, hidden behind the stacks of AD&D manuals. But I can't imagine our LGS would make a cube tournament. They never organized one...
..and they never organized Pauper.
So there remains only the EDH. From what I remember, there's an EDH weekend once per six weeks and it seems like people love it. I can't tell, I'm not into the formats where trying to win is viewed like an indecency and in "testing" games it is directly forbidden to play land destruction/counterspells/discard/taxing effects/combo/graveyard strategies/Touching/Licking/Sucking/Groping/Fondling/Riding/Tickling/Binding/Quitters/Italians...

But seriously, I'm not some Extended fan. I really stopped to care about it years ago. It's even possible that today it is Modern what has been the old Extended. If I had to choose my secondary format from the choices you gave, I'd definitely take anything that looks and plays like the Extended from cca 2008. So yeah, maybe I just need the WotC to rename Modern into Ext and I'd love in a minute. Who can tell?

[nedleeds]

Block is played for 3 months a year more than extended.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH extended over vintage ... please. You know the world is bigger than the U.S. right? amazing how Bazaar of Extended just never got any traction. You don't think cube drafting is a beach and extended a grain of sand you are stone fucking trolling.

So lets see the community rise up and support this beloved format ... I'm sure it'll be part of Almost Eternal Weekend and people will flock Bazaar of the Last 2 Blocks.

[bfeingersh]

extended is dead
ok

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Block is played for 3 months a year more than extended.
And?


HAHAHAHAHAHAH extended over vintage ... please. You know the world is bigger than the U.S. right? amazing how Bazaar of Extended just never got any traction. You don't think cube drafting is a beach and extended a grain of sand you are stone fucking trolling.

Try reading, dude. I wrote about the old Extended from cca 2008 - that one was played by the players I know in a LGS I visit. When the same LGS started Vintage, the tournaments were visited by five to eleven people. Thankfully they ceased to support Vintage after several months.
No one plays cube and as such, there are no tournaments in it. You don't think stores wouldn't support it if there's a big community? I'm sure it'll be part of Almost Competitive Weekend and people will flock Bazaar of the Boring Rares.



So lets see the community rise up and support this beloved format ... I'm sure it'll be part of Almost Eternal Weekend and people will flock Bazaar of the Last 2 Blocks.
Start the uprisal. I don't care of Ext for several years, but I wish you good luck.

IF (but I doubt it), IF you tried to read what I wrote, you'd clearly understood that my only concern about the formats that I otherwise don't care about (in this case Ext and T2), was the fact that the Wizards killed the one and only format that used to be a retention pool for Standard, semi-casual players and simultaneously it was a funny format back in time until the INV-SCG rotation. Instead of learning me that the nowadays retention format for the named players is Modern (and the Ext is long dead), you recount cube, block, myos and vintage...

[nedleeds]

Well you are fucking retarded, so it makes it hard to comprehend what you mean from your writing. I'm sorry your 5 player LGS lost it's beloved format (back in 2008?). I'm sorry you are too poor to afford vintage cards. I'm sorry to hear that nobody "plays cube", here I've been fooled by all these people on the internet claiming that people build large draftable pools of cards for others to enjoy with them. Fooled again!

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Well you are fucking retarded, so it makes it hard to comprehend what you're are writing. I'm sorry your 5 player LGS lost it's beloved format (back in 2008?). I'm sorry you are too poor to afford vintage cards. I'm sorry to hear that nobody "plays cube", here I've been fooled by all these people on the internet claiming that people build large draftable pools of cards for others to enjoy with them. Fooled again!

Calm down, please. You take the whole affair too seriously.
To make it clear for you, I'll split it into points:
1) I used to play Extended, but I don't play it anymore since 2008.
2) Back then it was funny format. Guess what? Maybe Modern is similar today.
3) Our LGS visits more than five players. Some of them play Legacy, some of them play Modern, some of them used to play Ext (back in 2008 and before).
4) In fact, the small events (weekdays' tournament: draft, beginners, Standard, Modern and Legacy)) are visited by 20-30 players, weekends see more people, lets say tens.
5) When our LGS started the Eternal Thursdays, Vintage tournaments were visited by three to twelve people. Compared to Legacy's 20+, this wasn't a huge success, so they stopped it.
6) The above point has nothing to do with my only concern about killing the Extended: the fact that there might be no retention pool for Standard and semi-casual players. Maybe it is Modern, so be so kind and instead of offering your unnecessary insults, enlighten me more about the amazing Modern.
7) You wrote that there aren't enough nights to play all the possible formats and named a cube, myos and pauper. In our LGS nobody plays those formats and from the very many Bazaars of XYZ targeted on the cube/pauper/myos audience, I don't think those are important formats. Also: here, in our LGS we're amazingly rich, so we don't play pauper.

[HammafistRoob]

In before lock.

People don't play pauper because they are poor. They play it because it presents a new challenge and a completely hilarious meta.

[dontbiteitholmes]

In before lock.

People don't play pauper because they are poor. They play it because it presents a new challenge and a completely hilarious meta.

Cosign. I have a full set of power except Walk and I play pauper.

IMO
1: They should make pauper a paper format and merge the online banned list with cards that exist in paper as commons that they want banned.
2: They should release FTV Pauper that has every MTGO common that isn't common in paper printed as a common to merge online and paper banned lists. (Along with commons that are heavily played in the format)
3: Day 2 at every GP they should have a large pauper event.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Extended is dead. Extended remains dead. And Wizards have killed it. - Not Frederick Nietzsche

It's funny, they change the rotation to something no one likes, and decide to instead, of changing it back,replace it with modern.

Although whether people actually liked extended I'm not sure of.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Yeah, Extended was dead the moment Wizards made it Standard x 2. Who the fuck wants to play that format?

[troopatroop]

I've been playing for 10 years and I never once played Extended. Oh well :)

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Also: here, in our LGS we're amazingly rich, so we don't play pauper.




In before lock.

People don't play pauper because they are poor. They play it because it presents a new challenge and a completely hilarious meta.

For a minute I've thought of writing something about sarcasm detector, but then I decided to be nice.


So, now that we all know we all don't play Extended, could anybody tell me if the fact that Modern doesn't rotate while Standard does, can be a source of trouble in future? Imagine the gap between Modern and Standard after next five years. Will Modern function as a safe haven for Standard and semicasual players, or will the gap be too wide and is it possible that WotC will return back with a Not-Quite-Extended?

[Zombie]

In before lock.

People don't play pauper because they are poor. They play it because it presents a new challenge and a completely hilarious meta.

Monocolored aggro decks and massh fissure post everywhere = hilarious?

[Higgs]

Extended used to be the only thing after Standard if you didn't have access to Power. I became a long time player because it kept me in the game when I decided I couldn't keep up after a couple rotations. I haven't played it since 2000-2001 but this still gives me a sense of nostalgia. I mean sure, it wasn't the Extended I knew after the rotation of duals etc. but still it's strange to see the name buried.