Donate Button + Source Playmat / T-Shirt Discussion

[Zilla]

Hey all, you may have noticed the Donate button in the upper right hand corner of the site. I wanted to provide an explanation so its sudden appearance isn't a complete mystery:

After the problems we were having the month before last with a large number of users getting constant 403 errors when trying to access the site, we determined that our site's usage had vastly outgrown the shared server where it's been hosted since its inception. I opted to move the site to its own private Rackspace server, which allows us to more easily address problems with the site when they arise, and gives us the ability to expand the server's capacity as the site continues to grow in popularity.

The downside is that it costs more money. The monthly fee for hosting used to be $15 per month, and the new cost is somewhere between $45 and $50 per month, depending on bandwidth usage.

Since 2003, I've paid to keep the site up and running out of pocket, to the tune of a few hundred dollars per year. I opted to do this because I and the other admins have always agreed we want to keep the site ad-free so The Source and its community are able to maintain their independent spirit.

Insofar as it's possible, we intend to continue an ad-free policy. That said, in the 10 years since the site was created, I've gotten married, bought a house, and had a kid. Long story short, my disposable income ain't what it used to be. With the increase in cost to keep the site running, we've decided to ask you guys to pitch in, if you want to and are able. If just a handful of users are able to pitch in even a few bucks a month, it will go a long way towards keeping us active and ad-free.

Thanks for your consideration, and for being fucking awesome. We appreciate you guys.

- zilla


EDIT: The button has been taken down for now, as we've met our goal of covering a year's worth of site costs. If you still want to donate and be added to the Site Contributors group, you can donate directly to my paypal: patrick.maeder2@gmail.com. Any further donations will be applied to the following year's site costs. Thanks!

[thecrav]

I am 100% in favor of a donate button in place of ads.

That being said, it'd be cool if the donors got something in return, even if it was something as little as a "donor-only" title.

Also, donated. Thanks for everything thus far!

[lordofthepit]

I get an error when I clicked on the Donate button to try to pitch in:

http://i.imgur.com/ulIAMci.png

That being said, I wouldn't mind some ads if it's necessary to ensure you make ends meet. Perhaps something less invasive and more targeted like getting referral benefits from TCGPlayer when clicking on a card rather than linking to Deckbox (which slows down the site anyway).

[thecrav]

That being said, I wouldn't mind some ads if it's necessary to ensure you make ends meet. Perhaps something less invasive and more targeted like getting referral benefits from TCGPlayer when clicking on a card rather than linking to Deckbox (which slows down the site anyway).

Personally, I'd rather split the cost with a few dedicated people than have ads. My main concern is the problem that comes along with many out-of-the-box ad solutions. Google's ad solution is nice in that it's non-invasive and delivers nothing but text. However, in my experience, it simply doesn't deliver enough money.

Having cards automatically turn into referral links to TCGPlayer are definitely a cool idea and could potentially be enough to pay for the site. But unless they offer a solution that handles this for you, I'd guess that the work involved with implementing such a plan would be quite large, possibly greater than the benefit. (This is the part where I get bored and outsource the job to India for $27 because I like conding projects)

[Purgatory]

I like this, and I'll be sure to set up a paypal account and chip in a few bucks when I get my salary this month.

However, I'd like to know, say that me and 99 other Sourcers each chip in $5, which totals to $500 - will you remove the donation button for ten months and use the excess to keep the site running, or where does the surplus go?

[Higgs]

The Source has been my source for distraction at work for years and I've been lurking the site since 2006 so I wouldn't mind giving something back in return :)

Edit: Done!

[Zilla]

Thanks all for the support. To answer some questions/comments:

Purgatory: We haven't worked out the exact details yet, because we don't know precisely what the user response will be. But I can assure you that any money donated will be put towards site costs and nothing else. If we get an overwhelming response in the first few weeks or so, we'll likely take down the Donate button until those funds have been used, and then put the button back up again in several months once those funds have been depleted. I think that method would also have the added benefit of keeping members from becoming so used to the button that they forget it's there. If it's only up for a couple weeks out of every several months, I think people may be more likely to notice/respond to it. We'll work out an exact plan soon, but rest assured that any funds donated will be put towards running the site. Thanks for your input.

Lordofthepit: Sorry you're having trouble with the link. It works for me in all browsers, but if you (or anyone else) are having problems, you can enter my paypal manually: patrick.maeder2@gmail.com. Just make a note that it's for the Source so I can keep the funds separate. Thanks.

Crav: The admin staff agrees we'd prefer to keep the site ad free. That's how we've always done it and we want to keep it up as long as we can. I was actually considering a custom title and/or user color to highlight users who have donated. I think it's a good idea. I'll run it past the rest of the staff tomorrow and figure out how we want to implement that. People who are interested in this should include their Source username in the Paypal notes so I have an easy way to keep track of which members have donated. Thank you for your very generous contribution, by the way. ;)

I appreciate everyone's comments and support thus far. You guys are great. Feel free to keep posting suggestions/comments/concerns and I'll do my best to address them.

[Einherjer]

I get an error when I clicked on the Donate button to try to pitch in:

http://i.imgur.com/ulIAMci.png

That being said, I wouldn't mind some ads if it's necessary to ensure you make ends meet. Perhaps something less invasive and more targeted like getting referral benefits from TCGPlayer when clicking on a card rather than linking to Deckbox (which slows down the site anyway).


Got the same problem. Will try later again.


Greetings

[eq.firemind]

^^ Same shit. Will try again later from home.

[Kayradis]

The "site contributor" title for the name is a good idea.

Also, when sending money thru paypal to your address (patrick.maeder2@gmail.com (patrick.maeder2@gmail.com)) just select SEND MONEY FOR GOODS AND SERVICES" that way the contributors dont have to pay a 2$ fee for the money x-fers

EDIT : Funds sent

[JDK]

Worked flawlessly on Chrome. Maybe you need a verified paypal account, dunno.

[Esper3k]

I've also gotten years of enjoyment from the site. Donated!

Btw, the link initially gave me the same error as above (using Chrome, verified PayPal account). However, after I manually logged into PayPal, then clicked the link, it worked fine for me.

[Nidd]

I've also had the same error message when clicking the button.

Regardless, I managed to give you the rest of my money I've had on PayPal - it's not a lot, but I'm running low at the moment, anyways (speculations at the release of a new set, damn you!).
Enjoy your € ;)

[Dan Turner]

If we got a couple people to donate a couple cards they could also be used as a revenue source via an ebay auction.

[kiblast]

Purgatory: We haven't worked out the exact details yet, because we don't know precisely what the user response will be. But I can assure you that any money donated will be put towards site costs and nothing else. If we get an overwhelming response in the first few weeks or so,we will produce an extra print run of thesource playmats available for purchase.

Ftfy :D

Jokes aside, I'll happily send some bucks as soon as I can.

[colo]

No offense (and I might add that I will donate for sure), but 45-50US$ a month, depending on bandwidth usage (which implies there usage-based billing - come on already, it's 2013!), sounds like a pretty darn shitty hosting plan/contract... you might want to reconsider that. If you shoot me a message with the hardware and connectivity specs you'd like to see covered, I might be able to offer, or at least point you to, a vastly better deal.

If you need help with tuning the website's performance without spending any extra money, I might be able to offer an advice or two as well.

[Phoenix Ignition]

Verified account, using Chrome, same problem as others have mentioned.

Take my money!

[Zilla]

@kiblast: we've actually been discussing the creation of new playmats as an alternative means to raise funds for site maintenance. They don't require a huge initial investment. The real sticking point is that we can't sell anything with copyrighted artwork on it, which means we need to find original, relevant artwork to use for it. I did a quick mockup of a playmat using some old artwork I did that was loosely inspired by Necropotence, but it would probably be more appropriate for Vintage, given the subject matter. It can give you a rough idea of what one might look like, though, if you're curious: click (http://www.tdtffc.com/misc/playmat1.jpg).

Basically I need to find the time to create more Legacy relevant artwork, or we need to find some royalty-free artwork that fits that description.


@colo: No offense taken. Here's the situation: when users started getting 403 errors last month, I contacted our host's technical support, and they basically told me that a) our site was on a shared server, and b) the site is doing so much traffic that their server thought it was being DDOSed by our users, which was causing their IPs to be blocked, hence the 403 errors. They said that we really needed to move to our own private server. When I asked them what they charged for that, they said it would cost $89 per month, at which point I bid them good day.

I opted to use Rackspace (http://www.rackspace.com), because they're one of the largest and most trusted hosting providers in the country, I and the company I work for have used them for years, they have top notch technical support, and they allow root access to the server, which our old host did not. Initially, we set up with Rackspace's lowest tier server, which is $15.95 per month plus bandwidth. (Note: when I say they charge for bandwidth, it's a really nominal cost. We did several gigs of traffic last month for around 6 bucks. Charging for bandwidth usage on private servers is pretty standard practice these days.)

Unfortunately, their lowest tier server only has 512k of RAM allocated to it, and the site's users hammered the server so hard in the first few hours that Apache choked and could never catch back up. We altered a few Apache settings, and upgraded to the next tier, which is a 1GB server, which (mostly) fixed the problems. Unfortunately, this tier is $40 per month plus bandwidth. Also, even with the increased RAM, we're still pushing the limits of the server's capabilities at peak hours. We do a surprising amount of traffic, and it puts a huge strain on the server. The next tier up (2GB) is $80 per month plus bandwidth, so we're hoping we can avoid the need to upgrade further.

That's the situation as it stands. If you feel you have any advice to offer on the subject, I'm happy to discuss it with you. Just hit me via PM about it. I appreciate your input and support.


@Paypal issues: I'm using the code that Paypal provides, so it should work flawlessly. I'll do some research and see what I can find. I'm wondering if location might have something to do with the problem? For those that are experiencing the issue, can you tell me where you're located geographically?


@Custom user level: The admin staff has discussed this and we agree we want to do it. We'll be creating a custom user level called "Site Contributor" that will have a custom title (if you want one) and its own user color (perhaps a tasteful teal, a la the old Legacy Adept user group?) The sticking point is that I have no way of knowing which users have contributed unless they include their Source username in the Paypal notes, so please do so if you want to be part of this usergroup. For those who have already donated, send me a PM with your real name and I can use that to verify that you've contributed.


Thanks again for your support.

[mini1337s]

@Paypal issues: I'm using the code that Paypal provides, so it should work flawlessly. I'll do some research and see what I can find. I'm wondering if location might have something to do with the problem? For those that are experiencing the issue, can you tell me where you're located geographically?


@Custom user level: The admin staff has discussed this and we agree we want to do it. We'll be creating a custom user level called "Site Contributor" that will have a custom title (if you want one) and its own user color (perhaps a tasteful teal, a la the old Legacy Adept user group?) The sticking point is that I have no way of knowing which users have contributed unless they include their Source username in the Paypal notes, so please do so if you want to be part of this usergroup. For those who have already donated, send me a PM with your real name and I can use that to verify that you've contributed.

I'm in Canada and experiencing the issue.

Not a fan of the "custom titles" and such. I'd rather keep this site as far away from Salvation as possible. Don't want to read posts in aqua-marine from some guy with Rules Advisor - Kawaiiiiiii in his user title.

[Aggro_zombies]

I'm in the SF Bay Area and having the PayPal issue.

[Zilla]

Please try the Paypal button now. I removed some API code from it and that seems to have fixed the problem, but confirmation would be good. Thanks.

[Dan Turner]

Is there a way to pay via paypal without having to use a paypal account. Or do you have an alternate payment method, I no longer do paypal since they want too much info and I use pre-paid cards online.

[mini1337s]

Donate works now.

[Phoenix Ignition]

EDIT: disregard, donate works now.

[kiblast]

@kiblast: we've actually been discussing the creation of new playmats as an alternative means to raise funds for site maintenance. They don't require a huge initial investment. The real sticking point is that we can't sell anything with copyrighted artwork on it, which means we need to find original, relevant artwork to use for it. I did a quick mockup of a playmat using some old artwork I did that was loosely inspired by Necropotence, but it would probably be more appropriate for Vintage, given the subject matter. It can give you a rough idea of what one might look like, though, if you're curious: click (http://www.tdtffc.com/misc/playmat1.jpg).

Basically I need to find the time to create more Legacy relevant artwork, or we need to find some royalty-free artwork that fits that description.




Thanks for your answer. I'm definitely going to try to produce some legacy-esque art and send it to you. I'm no Leonardo da Vinci but I'm not a total art scrub. If I come up with something that satisfies me and could be good enough for a playmat I'll definitely send it. Just give me some time...

[Purgatory]

Thanks all for the support. To answer some questions/comments:

Purgatory: We haven't worked out the exact details yet, because we don't know precisely what the user response will be. But I can assure you that any money donated will be put towards site costs and nothing else. If we get an overwhelming response in the first few weeks or so, we'll likely take down the Donate button until those funds have been used, and then put the button back up again in several months once those funds have been depleted. I think that method would also have the added benefit of keeping members from becoming so used to the button that they forget it's there. If it's only up for a couple weeks out of every several months, I think people may be more likely to notice/respond to it. We'll work out an exact plan soon, but rest assured that any funds donated will be put towards running the site. Thanks for your input.

Gotcha. Sort of like how Wikipedia does their fundraising drives once a year or so. Not that I expected anything else, I just wanted to be sure.

[ScatmanX]

There you go. It's working fine now.

Thanks for all the work on the site. If has helped me and entertained me for years now.

[Maro_]

its working.
I'm glad I could help somehow.

[colo]

Donated - glad I could help.

@Zilla: I'll PM you tomorrow (well, actually later today :))

[wcm8]

I donated a small amount, and will likely help out again in the future. Definitely worth what I've gotten from this site over the years.

[Shawon]

Donated. This site rocks.

[Que]

@kiblast: we've actually been discussing the creation of new playmats as an alternative means to raise funds for site maintenance. They don't require a huge initial investment. The real sticking point is that we can't sell anything with copyrighted artwork on it, which means we need to find original, relevant artwork to use for it. I did a quick mockup of a playmat using some old artwork I did that was loosely inspired by Necropotence, but it would probably be more appropriate for Vintage, given the subject matter. It can give you a rough idea of what one might look like, though, if you're curious: click (http://www.tdtffc.com/misc/playmat1.jpg).

Basically I need to find the time to create more Legacy relevant artwork, or we need to find some royalty-free artwork that fits that description.

Does Fan Art count? I have this Piledriver piece I did a while back. Its nothing amazing, but I figure I'd share anyway. Link: http://theizzet.deviantart.com/art/Goblin-Piledriver-Pt-2-147065072

Original Sketch: http://theizzet.deviantart.com/art/Goblin-Piledriver-146788647

If anything comes from your idea it may just give me some motivation to start sketching again. haha.

[thefreakaccident]

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[maurobad2k4]

Done it !

[Technics]

Can we set up a subscription to do like 5 bucks a month?

Edit: Done, 5 bucks a month... Cheaper than the paper, or some coffee, and way more useful!

[Monkey_Island]

I made a small contribution too, thanks to all the mods for keeping that site awesome!

[Kayradis]

I'd be curious to know how much you collected in the past day! Seems like the whole forum is responding quite well!

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I like this, and I'll be sure to set up a paypal account and chip in a few bucks when I get my salary this month.

However, I'd like to know, say that me and 99 other Sourcers each chip in $5, which totals to $500 - will you remove the donation button for ten months and use the excess to keep the site running, or where does the surplus go?

Someone had to pay the fees in past ten years. I'd say let that person keep the excess money, it's not like someone started a sophisticated internet scam back in 2003. :smile:

[Di]

Technically we wouldn't really be "keeping" any excess money in the sense that it's being pocketed. Regardless of how much we receive in donations, money will always have to go back into the site to keep it running so it'll find it's way back here one way or another. This just ensures us that we can comfortably do that for a much longer time.


And I want to give a big thank you to everyone who has supported us thus far, and to everyone who plans to in the future. It makes a huge difference guys, we truly appreciate it.

[afb0032]

Donated - Thank you to all of the people who keep the site running.

[luckme10]

I am 100% in favor of a donate button in place of ads.

That being said, it'd be cool if the donors got something in return, even if it was something as little as a "donor-only" title.

Also, donated. Thanks for everything thus far!

Does any of the proceeds from purchasing clothing go to funding the website?
http://www.cafepress.com/mtgthesource


Or what about those damn elusive playmats:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/lonelybaritone/sourcemat.jpg

Papa got swag?

Donated.

[Dice_Box]

Those mats, (I want one) can not be reprinted due to Copyright issues.

[TeenieBopper]

That being said, it'd be cool if the donors got something in return, even if it was something as little as a "donor-only" title.


This is a terrible idea. We want to avoid the perception of the site being elitist.

[Zilla]

@mini1337s: The custom user group will be rather understated. Only an individual user's name will be a different color (much like mine and other admins' are red). Their posts will continue to look like everyone else's. As for a custom user title, site contributors will be allowed to use "Site Contributor" as their custom title if they so choose. I don't consider this particularly ostentatious or obnoxious. It simply denotes that a particular member cares about the community enough to be involved financially. Technically anyone can change their custom user title to say Kawaiiiii right now if they want to. =p


@Magic Fanatic: I guess we could do check or money order, if you want. If that's something you're interested in doing, you can shoot me a PM and I'll provide an address where you can send one. Thanks for asking.


@Que: Honestly we haven't put a huge amount of thought into it yet. Since the mats are for the community, I'm interested in everyone's input. Perhaps we can put together a collection of potential art pieces to use for a Source playmat and have the community vote on the design(s) they like the best?


@luckme10: As far as I know, proceeds from the cafepress store go to Source admin Nightmare, who original set up the shop years ago. I assume he's been spending that money on beard maintenance. It's possible that we'll set up an "official" shop with other merch like t-shirts and hats once we get the new playmats designed and produced.


@Bed Decks Palyer: I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't expect compensation for the money I've invested in the site over the years. We've got a great, thoroughly independent community and that's good enough for me. As stated previously, all funds collected will go right back towards site costs.


@Karadis: Excluding contributions from the admin staff, our users have donated $384.49 in the last day and a half. This is much better than anticipated. You guys have been amazingly generous, and it will go a long way towards keeping the site paid for. We can't thank you enough. You guys are awesome.


Any amount I set will be somewhat arbitrary, but certainly if we break $600 in contributions we'll be taking the button down, as that would account for at least a year of site costs, which is a nice round number. The button would then be put back up next year, once those funds have been depleted.



With regards to the Site Contributors usergroup, I know for sure that the following members have contributed (in no particular order):

Occam
Scott
Monkey_Island
Aetherick
Phoenix Ignition
Kayradis
lordofthepit
thecrav
Esper3k
Nidd
Maro_
Colo
wcm8
Shawon
maurobad2k4
afb0032
luckme10
Dice_Box
danyul
alphastryk
ScatmanX
rooneg
H3llsp4wn
mini1337s
Teluin
Technics
Aahz
rxavage
somethingdotdotdot
Shrubs
Barbed Blightning
phazonmutant
Crafty
Julian23
MirrorMask
ColeM
Higgs
Kiwi
TheArchitect
Admiral_Arzar
Asthereal

I believe a few names are missing from this list, and I don't want to leave you out. If you contributed and you don't see your name here, shoot me a PM and let me know. If you haven't contributed yet but are planning to, don't forget to leave your Source username in the paypal notes!


Thanks again guys. Keep kicking ass.

[danyul]

I pay for an SCG Premium subscription that I only occasionally read.

I read this shiz erryday. And I get shaky and nervous when the site goes down for any reason. So I'm more than happy to donate.

Thanks for keeping The Source up and running all these years. Also thanks for Angel Stompy.

[ScatmanX]

Any amount I set will be somewhat arbitrary, but certainly if we break $600 in contributions we'll be taking the button down, as that would account for at least a year of site costs, which is a nice round number. The button would then be put back up next year, once those funds have been depleted.
This sounds like a great idea.

[Technics]

I pay for an SCG Premium subscription that I only occasionally read.

I read this shiz erryday. And I get shaky and nervous when the site goes down for any reason. So I'm more than happy to donate.

Thanks for keeping The Source up and running all these years. Also thanks for Angel Stompy.

Bingo!

[Megadeus]

I wish I weren't such a broke idiot. Agree with the post about SCG Premium (not that I pay for that) but yeah I read this daily (hourly?). Will you be accepting donations even if the donate button is not up? I would at least like to pitch in a fair contribution later on even if it is technically paid off for a long while.

[Zilla]

Donations can be made even when the button's not up by sending money directly to my paypal (patrick.maeder2@gmail.com). Just be sure to make a note that it's for The Source so I can keep the funds separate. Thanks!

[Technics]

Zilla i setup a subscription, will you get a note monthly letting you know what it's for? LMK if not.

[Zilla]

Technics - I don't have anyone else sending me monthly payments for anything, so I'll know what it's for. Thanks for your contribution!

[Occam]

Does any of the proceeds from purchasing clothing go to funding the website?
http://www.cafepress.com/mtgthesource


Or what about those damn elusive playmats:
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t119/lonelybaritone/sourcemat.jpg

Papa got swag?

Donated.

I've a spare mat sitting at my place -- bought it for a friend whom has always wanted to but has not picked it up yet. Didn't know it was in such demand. Btw, Swift is good, but I'd also recommend Candide by Voltaire -- a far better satirical work.

Will donate from time to time, thanks for keeping this site up and running.

[shrubs]

Even as a steadfast lurker for years, I felt compelled to give a small donation. This is the only Magic forum I bother to check regularly anymore due to the quality of content, thank you all.

[Barbed Blightning]

Donated!

What's with this talk of satire? We need to get some Aesop and Horace up in this bitch.

[Dice_Box]

@mini1337s: The custom user group will be rather understated. Only an individual user's name will be a different color (much like mine and other admins' are red). Their posts will continue to look like everyone else's. As for a custom user title, site contributors will be allowed to use "Site Contributor" as their custom title if they so choose. I don't consider this particularly ostentatious or obnoxious. It simply denotes that a particular member cares about the community enough to be involved financially. Technically anyone can change their custom user title to say Kawaiiiii right now if they want to. =pI am kind of in two minds about this. Since the Admins don't have Admin in their title the only way to tell them apart is by colour. Having another colour may confuse new posters that the person with that colour could be a secondary level Admin or something.

Sent from my mobile, forgive spelling and grammatical errors.

[Zilla]

I am kind of in two minds about this. Since the Admins don't have Admin in their title the only way to tell them apart is by colour. Having another colour may confuse new posters that the person with that colour could be a secondary level Admin or something.
This is a legitimate concern, but I'm not sure how much of a problem it would actually be. Admins are red, and mods are maroon, both shades of red. Our plan for the Site Contributors was to have them be some shade of blue, different enough that they're distinct from the basic Member, but not so much so that you'd be inclined to think they're part of the staff. Also, we'd likely change the default user title for that group from Member to Site Contributor, so those members that contributed but have not changed their title to something custom would all be represented that way, which would be another cue to new users as to what the different color means.

This is all open to discussion, of course. It's important to us that users who have contributed are recognized for their contribution, but obviously we want that to be in a way that's pleasing to the community as a whole, so if you have suggestions in this regard, don't hesitate to share them.

[phazonmutant]

I pay for an SCG Premium subscription that I only occasionally read.

I read this shiz erryday. And I get shaky and nervous when the site goes down for any reason. So I'm more than happy to donate.

Thanks for keeping The Source up and running all these years. Also thanks for Angel Stompy.

Wow, when you put it that way. Yeah, the Source is way better than Premium. Admins, you guys are awesome. Finally go around to donating, glad I could chip in.

[rxavage]

Hope my part helps. Now if only I could get my hands on a playmat.

[Nidd]

Hope my part helps. Now if only I could get my hands on a playmat.
Agree 101% on the playmats. Isn't there a possibility to reprint the old ones?

[Crafty]

I've lurked on this forum for years so I'm more than happy to throw in a little bit. The Source definitely made me love legacy.

Thank you guys for running the site!

[MirrorMask]

I guess this is my chance to say thank you for the awesome forum that taught me how to "magic "again after my long absence, instead of derping around like a fool and wasting my money. So, from the money (and time) you saved me you got some back!! WOW!! I am a donor!!

[Zilla]

Agree 101% on the playmats. Isn't there a possibility to reprint the old ones?
I wish we could, but the old ones contained copyrighted artwork. We don't want to infringe on Wizards' intellectual property, and we couldn't legally sell them to recoup the costs of printing them. They'll have to remain a fond memory, I'm afraid.

[Barbed Blightning]

I wish we could, but the old ones contained copyrighted artwork. We don't want to infringe on Wizards' intellectual property, and we couldn't legally sell them to recoup the costs of printing them. They'll have to remain a fond memory, I'm afraid.

What about designing new ones? Use the source logo and maybe have a talented artist make original recreations of the classic MTG arts? Just spitballing.

[Nidd]

I wish we could, but the old ones contained copyrighted artwork. We don't want to infringe on Wizards' intellectual property, and we couldn't legally sell them to recoup the costs of printing them. They'll have to remain a fond memory, I'm afraid.
Well, nobody would know where the playmats came from, right?

*sigh*
It pains me to know that the old playmat train has left the station.

[Julian23]

Zilla, you know what I would love to see? T-shirts or polos for The Source. I know that we have some fantastic artist inside our community that would be happy to contribute some non-copyright art. When going to big events, wearing your The Source shirt should be something to show your affection to this site.

In order for this to be successful and widely recognized though, we would need the owners/admins of The Source to officially support this. Maybe I'm thinking to big, but in case you're familiar with the concept, I'm looking at the way teamliquid.net has been promoting its brand over the last 2-3 years

Also: high quality shirts. I'd be very willing to pay 40-50€ for a The Source polo if the quality was decent.

[Kayradis]

Zilla, you know what I would love to see? T-shirts for The Source. I know that we have some fantastic artist inside our community that would be happy to contribute some non-copyright art. When going to big events, wearing your The Source shirt should be something to show your affection to this site.


+1

And lately, more and more of our members been performing good finish at multiple events across the globe (Mr. Cook w/ T.E.S. is a good example for North America). This could bring growth to the site and more contributor.

Just something we might wanna explore eventually.

[ScatmanX]

I wish we could, but the old ones contained copyrighted artwork. We don't want to infringe on Wizards' intellectual property, and we couldn't legally sell them to recoup the costs of printing them. They'll have to remain a fond memory, I'm afraid.
Does anyone have the image of the playmat in high resolution?
I'd really like to have that, and see if I can pull something out (no selling or anything like that, of course).

[Admiral_Arzar]

Now this is a cause I can support. Donated.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

You guys should use the excess to fund orbital wobble research

No reason, but you could say you have.

[JPoJohnson]

I've never owned a playmat, but I would buy one if The Source got a good looking one up. This is something worth looking further into I think!

[danyul]

A lengthy attempt at resurrecting the fabled Source playmat has already happened and has failed. If you guys wanna try that again, you should probably start a separate thread for such things.

[JPoJohnson]

A lengthy attempt at resurrecting the fabled Source playmat has already happened and has failed. If you guys wanna try that again, you should probably start a separate thread for such things.

I realize resurrection will not occur, but a new playmat i something I would be interested to know more about if it happens.

[Zilla]

What about designing new ones? Use the source logo and maybe have a talented artist make original recreations of the classic MTG arts? Just spitballing.
This has already been discussed a bit earlier in this thread, but yeah, we plan to make new playmats. Exact recreations of classic MTG artwork won't work, but artwork inspired by that artwork would work. Like I said earlier in this thread, there's a possibility we might take artwork submissions from community members and then vote on the one we'd like to see turned into a playmat. We're open to other suggestions as well. Let us know what you guys would like and we'll see what we can do.



Zilla, you know what I would love to see? T-shirts or polos for The Source. I know that we have some fantastic artist inside our community that would be happy to contribute some non-copyright art. When going to big events, wearing your The Source shirt should be something to show your affection to this site.
This is also something we're interested in doing. A long time ago there were some Cafe Press shirts and hats created by Nightmare, but they weren't particularly well thought-out. (No offense intended to Nightmare - he just put them together super quick right before a major event, if I recall correctly.)

In any case, I want to do this. It would be a nice way to generate a little extra revenue for site maintenance, and it would be awesome to give our members a way to represent The Source at tournaments. We need to figure out artwork (maybe just a simple logo?), and we also need to figure out who we want to use to make shirts and handle order fulfillment. Cafe Press is kinda ghetto, honestly. I've heard good things about a site called Zazzle (http://www.zazzle.com), so I'll do a little research and see if we want to set up a storefront through them.

As with the play mats, we're open to user suggestions on shirts and other merchandise as well.

[Slag]

As far as a playmat, I would like to see an artist's rendering of some iconic legacy match-up in universe. I tend to get the most utilitarian mats and deckboxes, but I'd pay extra to see a playmat with a bunch of goblins charging down a phyrexian dreadnought, or emrakul annihilating several tarmogoyfs.

[Technics]

It also just so happens I am consulting a startup that is looking to break open the tee shirt business. Post what we want, and have different printers/manufactures bid on the job.

If someone can get me the art, i can see what I can do.

letstaggle.com




I also actually work for a Sporting Goods company with their own team sales division. This means I can get us pretty much anything made. Nike Dri-Fit polo's would be nice.

If there is interest I can inquire.

[Barbed Blightning]

As far as a playmat, I would like to see an artist's rendering of some iconic legacy match-up in universe. I tend to get the most utilitarian mats and deckboxes, but I'd pay extra to see a playmat with a bunch of goblins charging down a phyrexian dreadnought, or emrakul annihilating several tarmogoyfs.

This! We could do something similar to the Mirrodin Besieged promotional artwork (for reference: http://manashift.com/wp-content/uploads/Mirrodin-Besieged-Preview-Art1-564x902.jpg) with creatures and spells from fair decks--Tarmogoyf, Piledriver, Bob, Batterskull, Lightning Bolt, Nimble Mongoose, etc--going toe-to-toe with those of unfair decks--Emrakul, Griselbrand, Grapeshot, Craterhoof, Dreadnought, Ravager, etc--since legacy is so defined by the fair/unfair question when you are choosing what deck to play.

[Technics]

This! We could do something similar to the Mirrodin Besieged promotional artwork (for reference: http://manashift.com/wp-content/uploads/Mirrodin-Besieged-Preview-Art1-564x902.jpg) with creatures and spells from fair decks--Tarmogoyf, Piledriver, Bob, Batterskull, Lightning Bolt, Nimble Mongoose, etc--going toe-to-toe with those of unfair decks--Emrakul, Griselbrand, Grapeshot, Craterhoof, Dreadnought, Ravager, etc--since legacy is so defined by the fair/unfair question when you are choosing what deck to play.

I like how goyf is not considered fair (i remember when there were clamoring for bans) but grapeshot and ravager are unfair?

I think something like the playmat would be really cool but have the cards combined. Force of Will mage spinning a SDT, goyf busting out of the wasteland, dark confidant going off with a plow on his shoulder. More of a mashup of some of the iconic cards all put together in one (or many small) different pieces of new art.

[danyul]

Okay. I have changed my mind. Those art ideas sound awesome. Somebody make those now.

This is now a T-Shirt/playmat thread.

[Asthereal]

Chipped in as well. Happy to help!

I am absolutely sure we have some artists on the forum, so art should not be a problem.
So many awesome altered cards out there. One of these artists is sure to want to help us.
I'd surely be interested in a The Source shirt or playmat if it looks nice.

But if we cannot get the merchandise off the ground, I'd be happy to just donate a few bucks every now and then. :smile:

[Kayradis]

Alright.
Screw merchandise.

Let's open a bar.

[Zilla]

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[Megadeus]

Alright.
Screw merchandise.

Let's open a bar.

/thread

[Shawon]

Alright.
Screw merchandise.

Let's open a titty bar.

fixed

[r3dd09]

I've a spare mat sitting at my place -- bought it for a friend whom has always wanted to but has not picked it up yet. Didn't know it was in such demand. Btw, Swift is good, but I'd also recommend Candide by Voltaire -- a far better satirical work.

Will donate from time to time, thanks for keeping this site up and running.

Just to let you know, I bought one of the Source mats for 150. Beyond that, people have offered 300 for others and got rejected.

However... I know the admins were wanting to get a hold of the one I obtained but I was too quick ;) I think the admins are wanting to use it as a prize for a site competition or something. I'd contact them and see if they're interested in purchasing it.

[mini1337s]

Speaking of playmats, Kayradis has a nice one with theSource logo on it. I'd be happy to buy official one like that if the admin team decides to produce them.

[r3dd09]

I'd be interested in Merchandise! Polos, mats, etc.

[Kayradis]

Speaking of playmats, Kayradis has a nice one with theSource logo on it. I'd be happy to buy official one like that if the admin team decides to produce them.

I'll post a picture as soon as I am home today. It's nothing fancy. Just The Source Logo with YOUR SOURCE FOR LEGACY and the website. It look pretty dope IMHO.

I'll send pics to Zilla/Di for their approval in regards to design. The whole thing was made by InkedPlaymat with a design from TheArchitech.

[Julian23]

If some considers buying from Inked Playmats, feel free to use my referral link (http://email.curebit.com/c/cj1qdWxpYW4ua25hYiU0MGdteC5kZSZ0PW9mZmVyc19lbWFpbCZlbnY9cHJvZHVjdGlvbiZpPTNkNmFjNjUyLTExNTAtNDIxZi05ZjJhLWZmYzJkMjcwN2M3ZCU0MGN1cmViaXQuY29tJmg9MWU2YjZlMjFmN2ZmYWM0NjczZTVjYmY3OTA2N2RhNDgmbXNnX2lkPTEwMjg2NDYmbD1odHRwJTNBJTJGJTJGY3VyZWJpdC5jb20lMkZ4JTJGU2RrSExNJmQ9ZjM). It will give both of us a $5 discount which is really great. Had I known about this, I would have asked for a referral link myself before placing my order.
Considering that most of their playmats are around $19, this is really cool. :smile:

/edit: it's only valid for 8 more days.

[Myelectronicdays]

Hey all, if anyone here would like some help with the design of a source playmat. I would love to throw my hand in to help with the design.

I'm a professional artist working in the game industry for about 10 years. Can view my work @

http://www.myelectronicdays.com/

or http://myelectronicdays.cghub.com/

I paint alot of custom playmats for people in my local area (austin,tx).. and have a great working relationship with Jeremy and Inked playmats as well.

If any mods want to PM me, I would love to help out such a great community.


Love this idea from earlier

"As far as a playmat, I would like to see an artist's rendering of some iconic legacy match-up in universe. I tend to get the most utilitarian mats and deckboxes, but I'd pay extra to see a playmat with a bunch of goblins charging down a phyrexian dreadnought, or emrakul annihilating several tarmogoyfs. "

Dave.

[Julian23]

Love this idea from earlier

"As far as a playmat, I would like to see an artist's rendering of some iconic legacy match-up in universe. I tend to get the most utilitarian mats and deckboxes, but I'd pay extra to see a playmat with a bunch of goblins charging down a phyrexian dreadnought, or emrakul annihilating several tarmogoyfs. "

Dave.

Make it a black and white "Battle Royal" with all the iconic cards in the Legacy universe with lots of details. The concept would of course have to come from someone with a broad understanding for the Legacy metagame but it would REALLY be worth it. I'm thinking about ~30 different creatures/spells being represented with the "The Source" logo in the middle.

Like a big big fight happening around the logo stretching all over the playmat! Brainstorm whirling around a Fetchland and two other cards, a Natural Order killing a Dryad Arbor and summoning a Craterhoof Behemoth. I see a Goblin Lackey being stopped cold by a Deathrite Shaman that then casts a Stoneforge Mystic that is about to grab Umezawa's Jitte. I see Doomsday being cast off Dark Ritual right next to a spinning Sensei's Divining Top and a smashed in Counterbalance, destroyed by an Abrupt Decay right next to it. On the bottom we see a very tight pack of Lord of Atlantis, Master of the Pearl Trident, Coralhelm Commander and also Silvergill Adept which has just come off a Aether Vial while all of them are being held back by a Peacekeeper. On the right side, Show and Tell is being cast and puts Griselbrand into play while right next to it, Knight of the Reliquary has just entered the battlefield (with Karakas in the background). We see Infernal Tutor right next to two broken Lion's Eye Diamonds, all coming out of the mouth of the guy on Ad Nauseam with Tendrils of Agony in the background, reaching out to physically grab and abuse a Snapcaster Mage, Dark Confidant and other iconic Legacy creatures. Three tiny Tarmogoyf are facing off a gigantic Emrakul, the Aeons Torn but viewed from a cliff to provide good perspective and not make the Tarmogoyfs actually appear small on the playmat. At some point we see Force of Will burning down a Goblin Charbelcher with several Goblin Tokens (off Empty the Warrens) jumping out of the cannon on the Charbelcher and running towards a Tundra and being shutdown by a Terminus.. Oh boy...

And in the middle of all of this: "The Source - Your Source For Legacy - mtgthesource.com".

Of course, there's so much more to add to this but I hope I was able to convey how I imagine this to look like! :smile: Hell, I'd easily pay 50€+ for something like that!

[Monkey_Island]

Make it a black and white "Battle Royal" with all the iconic cards in the Legacy universe with lots of details. The concept would of course have to come from someone with a broad understanding for the Legacy metagame but it would REALLY be worth it. I'm thinking about ~30 different creatures/spells being represented with the "The Source" logo in the middle.

Like a big big fight happening around the logo stretching all over the playmat! Brainstorm whirling around a Fetchland and two other cards, a Natural Order killing a Dryad Arbor and summoning a Craterhoof Behemoth. I see a Goblin Lackey being stopped cold by a Deathrite Shaman that then casts a Stoneforge Mystic that is about to grab Umezawa's Jitte. I see Doomsday being cast off Dark Ritual right next to a spinning Sensei's Divining Top and a smashed in Counterbalance, destroyed by an Abrupt Decay right next to it. On the bottom we see a very tight pack of Lord of Atlantis, Master of the Pearl Trident, Coralhelm Commander and also Silvergill Adept which has just come off a Aether Vial while all of them are being held back by a Peacekeeper. On the right side, Show and Tell is being cast and puts Griselbrand into play while right next to it, Knight of the Reliquary has just entered the battlefield (with Karakas in the background). We see Infernal Tutor right next to two broken Lion's Eye Diamonds, all coming out of the mouth of the guy on Ad Nauseam with Tendrils of Agony in the background, reaching out to physically grab and abuse a Snapcaster Mage, Dark Confidant and other iconic Legacy creatures. Three tiny Tarmogoyf are facing off a gigantic Emrakul, the Aeons Torn but viewed from a cliff to provide good perspective and not make the Tarmogoyfs actually appear small on the playmat. At some point we see Force of Will burning down a Goblin Charbelcher with several Goblin Tokens (off Empty the Warrens) jumping out of the cannon on the Charbelcher and running towards a Tundra and being shutdown by a Terminus.. Oh boy...

And in the middle of all of this: "The Source - Your Source For Legacy - mtgthesource.com".

Of course, there's so much more to add to this but I hope I was able to convey how I imagine this to look like! :smile: Hell, I'd easily pay 50€+ for something like that!


I totally agree with this, I think it would be pretty cool.
Something like that for instance? http://www.gatheringmagic.com/mj-scott-vorthos-09252013-venters-reveals-unseen-1994-magic-art/

[Myelectronicdays]

Make it a black and white "Battle Royal" with all the iconic cards in the Legacy universe with lots of details. The concept would of course have to come from someone with a broad understanding for the Legacy metagame but it would REALLY be worth it. I'm thinking about ~30 different creatures/spells being represented with the "The Source" logo in the middle.

Like a big big fight happening around the logo stretching all over the playmat! Brainstorm whirling around a Fetchland and two other cards, a Natural Order killing a Dryad Arbor and summoning a Craterhoof Behemoth. I see a Goblin Lackey being stopped cold by a Deathrite Shaman that then casts a Stoneforge Mystic that is about to grab Umezawa's Jitte. I see Doomsday being cast off Dark Ritual right next to a spinning Sensei's Divining Top and a smashed in Counterbalance, destroyed by an Abrupt Decay right next to it. On the bottom we see a very tight pack of Lord of Atlantis, Master of the Pearl Trident, Coralhelm Commander and also Silvergill Adept which has just come off a Aether Vial while all of them are being held back by a Peacekeeper. On the right side, Show and Tell is being cast and puts Griselbrand into play while right next to it, Knight of the Reliquary has just entered the battlefield (with Karakas in the background). We see Infernal Tutor right next to two broken Lion's Eye Diamonds, all coming out of the mouth of the guy on Ad Nauseam with Tendrils of Agony in the background, reaching out to physically grab and abuse a Snapcaster Mage, Dark Confidant and other iconic Legacy creatures. Three tiny Tarmogoyf are facing off a gigantic Emrakul, the Aeons Torn but viewed from a cliff to provide good perspective and not make the Tarmogoyfs actually appear small on the playmat. At some point we see Force of Will burning down a Goblin Charbelcher with several Goblin Tokens (off Empty the Warrens) jumping out of the cannon on the Charbelcher and running towards a Tundra and being shutdown by a Terminus.. Oh boy...

And in the middle of all of this: "The Source - Your Source For Legacy - mtgthesource.com".



love it. I could definately mock something up.. might take a week or so (maybe longer, as I do alot of 40k work for Games Workshop as well, and they run up my after studio time). Definately a ton of characters.. but I think it would be worth the effort.

[ScatmanX]

Like a big big fight happening around the logo stretching all over the playmat! Brainstorm whirling around a Fetchland and two other cards, a Natural Order killing a Dryad Arbor and summoning a Craterhoof Behemoth. I see a Goblin Lackey being stopped cold by a Deathrite Shaman that then casts a Stoneforge Mystic that is about to grab Umezawa's Jitte. I see Doomsday being cast off Dark Ritual right next to a spinning Sensei's Divining Top and a smashed in Counterbalance, destroyed by an Abrupt Decay right next to it. On the bottom we see a very tight pack of Lord of Atlantis, Master of the Pearl Trident, Coralhelm Commander and also Silvergill Adept which has just come off a Aether Vial while all of them are being held back by a Peacekeeper. On the right side, Show and Tell is being cast and puts Griselbrand into play while right next to it, Knight of the Reliquary has just entered the battlefield (with Karakas in the background). We see Infernal Tutor right next to two broken Lion's Eye Diamonds, all coming out of the mouth of the guy on Ad Nauseam with Tendrils of Agony in the background, reaching out to physically grab and abuse a Snapcaster Mage, Dark Confidant and other iconic Legacy creatures. Three tiny Tarmogoyf are facing off a gigantic Emrakul, the Aeons Torn but viewed from a cliff to provide good perspective and not make the Tarmogoyfs actually appear small on the playmat. At some point we see Force of Will burning down a Goblin Charbelcher with several Goblin Tokens (off Empty the Warrens) jumping out of the cannon on the Charbelcher and running towards a Tundra and being shutdown by a Terminus.. Oh boy...

And in the middle of all of this: "The Source - Your Source For Legacy - mtgthesource.com".
This would be simply amazing.

[rooneg]

Like a big big fight happening around the logo stretching all over the playmat! Brainstorm whirling around a Fetchland and two other cards, a Natural Order killing a Dryad Arbor and summoning a Craterhoof Behemoth. I see a Goblin Lackey being stopped cold by a Deathrite Shaman that then casts a Stoneforge Mystic that is about to grab Umezawa's Jitte. I see Doomsday being cast off Dark Ritual right next to a spinning Sensei's Divining Top and a smashed in Counterbalance, destroyed by an Abrupt Decay right next to it. On the bottom we see a very tight pack of Lord of Atlantis, Master of the Pearl Trident, Coralhelm Commander and also Silvergill Adept which has just come off a Aether Vial while all of them are being held back by a Peacekeeper. On the right side, Show and Tell is being cast and puts Griselbrand into play while right next to it, Knight of the Reliquary has just entered the battlefield (with Karakas in the background). We see Infernal Tutor right next to two broken Lion's Eye Diamonds, all coming out of the mouth of the guy on Ad Nauseam with Tendrils of Agony in the background, reaching out to physically grab and abuse a Snapcaster Mage, Dark Confidant and other iconic Legacy creatures. Three tiny Tarmogoyf are facing off a gigantic Emrakul, the Aeons Torn but viewed from a cliff to provide good perspective and not make the Tarmogoyfs actually appear small on the playmat. At some point we see Force of Will burning down a Goblin Charbelcher with several Goblin Tokens (off Empty the Warrens) jumping out of the cannon on the Charbelcher and running towards a Tundra and being shutdown by a Terminus.. Oh boy...

And in the middle of all of this: "The Source - Your Source For Legacy - mtgthesource.com".

Of course, there's so much more to add to this but I hope I was able to convey how I imagine this to look like! :smile: Hell, I'd easily pay 50€+ for something like that!

I'd pay for something like this.

[danyul]

This is fucking awesome. We have a legit artist (your stuff looks amazing dude) and a legit art concept. This needs to happen. Take my monies.

Edit: black and white is pretty classy. I think if the finished product looks slightly sketchy (as in, an actual sketched drawing) I think that would look very nice and would save you time/effort on shading and coloring and stuff.

[Julian23]

It's also something to show to people who still believe Legacy was only Fast Combo vs. Force and ask them: [I]"Just look at it. Do you still feel that way?"

[Myelectronicdays]

This is fucking awesome. We have a legit artist (your stuff looks amazing dude) and a legit art concept. This needs to happen. Take my monies.

Edit: black and white is pretty classy. I think if the finished product looks slightly sketchy (as in, an actual sketched drawing) I think that would look very nice and would save you time/effort on shading and coloring and stuff.

I've already started sketching it out. I can keep it black and white if thats what people want. Color could look slick also. I spend almost 11+ hours a day on my cintiq painting, so I don't mind either way.

man.. that original goyf art.. took me atleast 5 minutes to figure out where a face might even be.

[rooneg]

man.. that original goyf art.. took me atleast 5 minutes to figure out where a face might even be.

It's a lot easier to see in the original, without the future sight frame around it:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/cardart/FUT/Tarmogoyf_640.jpg

[Myelectronicdays]

ty sir

[Julian23]

I would very much prefer a black and white style as I've always appreciated that style; I like my cards not blending too much with the colors on the playmat. On the other hand of course, white playmats are a pain in the ass to keep physically clean, I assume.

[danyul]

I would very much prefer a black and white style as I've always appreciated that style; I like my cards not blending too much with the colors on the playmat. On the other hand of course, white playmats are a pain in the ass to keep physically clean, I assume.


They do get gross fairly quickly. We could alleviate that a bit by using a light grey instead of a white background. Black on grey could look cool. It really depends on the art though. Mister Electronic Days is the professional artist. We can defer to his expert judgment.

[Nidd]

Reading the sort of "vision" how the playmat should look like rendered my jaw unable to close, so my ramen started dropping back into the bowl. Curses!

I'm stoked to see the mockup of this.
Also, I'd probably buy 2 or 3 of these playmats, pretty much no matter the cost.

[Zilla]

I think a full color version for the playmat and then a monochrome (tinted grayscale) version of the same artwork for a t-shirt would be pretty dope. For that to really work visually (on the t-shirt), the full color piece would have to be pretty contrasty, though.

Also, I can provide you with a vector version of the site logo if it would be helpful to you. If you'd rather I add it to the completed artwork after it's finished, that's fine too. (I promise I won't fuck it up.)

[Asthereal]

Wow that battlefield full of iconic cards would be really awesome!
I'd already be very happy with a picture of Bob getting struck by a Lightning Bolt though. :smile:
(Sorry, Bob, but that's just how it goes...)

[Einherjer]

Wow that battlefield full of iconic cards would be really awesome!
I'd already be very happy with a picture of Bob getting struck by a Lightning Bolt though. :smile:
(Sorry, Bob, but that's just how it goes...)

Why can't you just send him farming? Violence! Everywhere!

Greetings

[Asthereal]

That's not spectacular. :tongue:

[Julian23]

I once sent a Thrun, the Last Troll farming. That was spectacular. (Props to Humility)

Agreed that we will also need StP on the playmat. Also, a way to pay tribute to Canadian Threshold, our one and true king. Lightning Bolt, Nimble Mongoose, Delver and maybe a Stifle hitting a Wasteland or something. Also, what card you would say gets Daze'ed most often in Legacy?

[Kayradis]

IMHO, I'd prefer a simple playmat (...like the one I have?). I always been a firm believer that Legacy is a gentlemen (?) sport and we don't need all the flashyness of an overloaded playmat when we can simply show off with pimped-over-the-top deck(Ref: Bryant Cook, Royce Walter,Feline & Danyul decks).

We don't need flashy playmats.
Skills + Deck "pimpness" > Flashy playmats.

Flashy playmats can be bought anywhere.

[Julian23]

That's why I like the black and white style if there's a way not to spoil the playmat with dirt over time..

[Myelectronicdays]

so far the piece is like a collection / montage of classic legacy staples either battling or posing or interacting in some way. its looking pretty cool, I should have something to post up this evening. Hope everyone digs it!

[JPoJohnson]

so far the piece is like a collection / montage of classic legacy staples either battling or posing or interacting in some way. its looking pretty cool, I should have something to post up this evening. Hope everyone digs it!

Can't wait to see it! (:

[Kayradis]

so far the piece is like a collection / montage of classic legacy staples either battling or posing or interacting in some way. its looking pretty cool, I should have something to post up this evening. Hope everyone digs it!

I've looked thru your website and different pieces you've done and I have to say you got some mad skills!

Looking forward to look at the possible art!

[danyul]

I am excite!

[Kayradis]

Half-a-chubby?

[danyul]

lol this guy.

[Zilla]

Depending on how Dave's illustration turns out, we could theoretically have two versions of the playmat, one in full color and one in monochrome. I think once the artwork is finalized we can start a discussion and maybe a poll about it. Obviously we want to produce what people are most interested in having, so if there's very low interest in either version, we'd probably avoid it and focus on the other.

[Myelectronicdays]

Ok here is what I have mocked up so far and what I was envisioning for the mat.. taking alot of previous ideas and kind of montaging it all together as well. NOTE: this isn't near final. alot needs to be rendered out and more characters added (more goblins etc).. most of my time was spent moving diferent parts around and figuring out how i wanted to pose things. Lots to be done and added!

at the same time I wanted to get something up early to make sure people were liking this type of direction. Trying to modify characters a bit if i could also (craterhoof is prob too similar).

This will be painted at a pretty high res also.

I do also like the idea of the black and white image with the color logo on top. Keeps it a bit classier imo ;)



http://www.myelectronicdays.com/images/source_mat.jpg

[mini1337s]

Ok here is what I have mocked up so far and what I was envisioning for the mat.. taking alot of previous ideas and kind of montaging it all together as well. NOTE: this isn't near final. alot needs to be rendered out and more characters added (more goblins etc).. most of my time was spent moving diferent parts around and figuring out how i wanted to pose things. Lots to be done and added!

at the same time I wanted to get something up early to make sure people were liking this type of direction. Trying to modify characters a bit if i could also (craterhoof is prob too similar).

This will be painted at a pretty high res also.

I do also like the idea of the black and white image with the color logo on top. Keeps it a bit classier imo ;)



http://www.myelectronicdays.com/images/source_mat.jpg

Sign me up. I'll preorder this.

My only suggestion would be to find a way to centre the logo on the map. Also, it looks sick in BW, but I think you could incorporate blues in it as well, in line with theSource coloring scheme.

[Myelectronicdays]

nice suggestion. something I will try out. just a reminder this is not final. final will look 10x cleaner and more polished.

[danyul]

oh my GAWWDDDD I LOVES IT CAN WE MAKE THIS NAOW I CANT TAKE IT. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..

Ahem.

Okay I have calmed down. It looks super nice. Your art style is perfect for this sort of thing. I want to buy you a beer.

[TheArchitect]

Wow that is amazing! Easily the coolest thing I have seen on The Source, and there is a lot a talent here. Cant wait to see the finished product!

[JPoJohnson]

LOVE IT! This is fantastic (:

[Megadeus]

Great great stuff indeed.

[Barbed Blightning]

So sweet! Love the Delver flying over the Moat in the background. I'll definitely take one.

[alphastryk]

So sweet! Love the Delver flying over the Moat in the background. I'll definitely take one.

Yep, lots of good stuff going on there. Here's what I've found:

- Goyf
- Delver
- Griselbrand
- Moat
- Firestorm
- Lord of Atlantis
- Goblin Charbelcher
- Tendrils of Agony
- Karakas
- Craterhoof Behemoth
- Emrakul
- JTMS
- Stoneforge
- Force of Will
- Sensei's Divining Top (with Masques brainstorm bubbles around it)
- Empty the Warrens

Anything I'm missing?

[danyul]

Empty the Warrens. Ninja'd.

That's not Jace. That's a Knight of the Reliquary!

[alphastryk]

Empty the Warrens. Ninja'd.

Yeah, I figured it out. Should have been obvious given the Belcher...

[JPoJohnson]

Top left corner is an inverse lightning bolt.


What's the cat on the right side... is that what you are saying is Firestorm?
And the torn up flag at the bottom middle-left?

[danyul]

It is either Firestorm or Natural Order.

Is the angry looking dude under Stoneforge Mystic a FOW guy blasting the Charbelcher? This gets better and better.

[Megadeus]

Is Craterhoof coming out of a Green Sun Zenith or am I just looking for things that aren't there?

[Myelectronicdays]

yeah that was a kotr .. was trying to stylize her up some to distance from the original. I put the panther on there to pay homage to natural order.. natural order out.. and boom that craterhoof is coming through the nether on ya ;)

I definately want to add some more little easter eggs..

good find on the "Sensei's Divining Top (with Masques brainstorm bubbles around it)"

since its covered up.. i was hoping the brainstorm bubbles would be noticeble ;)


more to be added!

[mrjumbo03]

@Alphastryk, I think the cat on the cliff is supposed to be Natural Order. And I don't think that's Jace, it's Knight of the Reliquary by the letter U. And the one beside Tendrils would probably be Infernal Tutor, with some Lion's Eye Diamonds. Oh and maybe Lightning Bolt behind him.

Awesome awesome image! Would be awesome-r if you can somehow manage to insert Jitte, Deathrite Shaman, Dark Confidant, Swords to Plowshares and maybe even the dude from Show and Tell and Aether Vial. But as it is, it is already full of win!

[Megadeus]

Well it is awesome stuff so far. I look forward to seeing a finished product

[Myelectronicdays]

@Alphastryk, I think the cat on the cliff is supposed to be Natural Order. And I don't think that's Jace, it's Knight of the Reliquary by the letter U. And the one beside Tendrils would probably be Infernal Tutor, with some Lion's Eye Diamonds. Oh and maybe Lightning Bolt behind him.

Awesome awesome image! Would be awesome-r if you can somehow manage to insert Jitte, Deathrite Shaman, Dark Confidant, Swords to Plowshares and maybe even the dude from Show and Tell and Aether Vial. But as it is, it is already full of win!

Yep! I definately want to get a Jitte in there and would love a show and tell i in there also with his octopus tentacles. Vial as well I feel is a must.

[Koby]

11/10. Would buy a few.

[Higgs]

This is great stuff! What's the creature on the left being hit by lightning bolt?

I'm not totally on board with cutes faces of SFM and KoTR but overall this is absolutely cool.

[alphastryk]

Those make sense, I can see that being KotR, I'm just biased to look for Jace. :) I see a cat on a cliff and jump to firestorm, but maybe I'm the only one (is this where I admit the last time I played Natural Order, I had the portal ones with the green dude?).

I knew I recognized the Infernal Tutor guy, just couldn't place it, and those are definitely 2 LEDs around him.

[Ziveeman]

That mockup is fantastic!

[Myelectronicdays]

Those make sense, I can see that being KotR, I'm just biased to look for Jace. :) I see a cat on a cliff and jump to firestorm, but maybe I'm the only one (is this where I admit the last time I played Natural Order, I had the portal ones with the green dude?).

I knew I recognized the Infernal Tutor guy, just couldn't place it, and those are definitely 2 LEDs around him.

yep it's the guy from infernal tutor. The lightning around him was to show love to both lightning bolt and storm decks in general.. since theres more of those cards based around the top left corner.

[r3dd09]

Blue Elemental Blast in the background of the merfolk?

Love the playmat. Wish I was able to do any sort of illustration. You have some real talent.

[Nihil Credo]

yeah that was a kotr .. was trying to stylize her up some to distance from the original. I put the panther on there to pay homage to natural order.. natural order out.. and boom that craterhoof is coming through the nether on ya ;)

I definately want to add some more little easter eggs..

good find on the "Sensei's Divining Top (with Masques brainstorm bubbles around it)"

since its covered up.. i was hoping the brainstorm bubbles would be noticeble ;)


more to be added!Perhaps you could shift the title overlay down a bit? If it started to the right of Lord of Atlantis's head and ended to the left of Griselbrand, it wouldn't hide anything except Emrakul who's big enough to still be recognisable.

[Myelectronicdays]

Perhaps you could shift the title overlay down a bit? If it started to the right of Lord of Atlantis's head and ended to the left of Griselbrand, it wouldn't hide anything except Emrakul who's big enough to still be recognisable.

perfect. just moved it there. much better.

[Zilla]

Really digging it so far. This is some bad ass work. I also like the understated subtlety of the black & white image. My only suggestion (aside from centering the logo vertically a bit more) would be a subtle tint so the image and the logo are a bit more harmonious:

http://mtgthesource.com/downloads/source_mat_blue.jpg

[Di]

Awesome stuff, looks great (although no High Tide image wahhhhhh)

We should mention the website URL on there though, preferably like we did for the original playmats. Doesn't make sense to not point people the place to go haha.

[Myelectronicdays]

I like the blue tint.. I will definately try that as well.

URL could be a good idea.

[Myelectronicdays]

Awesome stuff, looks great (although no High Tide image wahhhhhh)

We should mention the website URL on there though, preferably like we did for the original playmats. Doesn't make sense to not point people the place to go haha.

want a candelabra in there? :) DONE!

[Zilla]

Awesome stuff, looks great (although no High Tide image wahhhhhh)

We should mention the website URL on there though, preferably like we did for the original playmats. Doesn't make sense to not point people the place to go haha.
Dave doesn't need to worry too much about the graphic design specifics if he doesn't want to. I can take care of adding in the logo/url to the finalized artwork. Right now he's got the logo in there to get a sense of how it will integrate into the final piece.

Dave - if you'd prefer to take care of the graphic design aspects of it you're obviously welcome to, but otherwise I can handle it. Up to you.

[Myelectronicdays]

sounds good. Ill keep the logo in there to paint around so I can work it in the best without it laying right over a characters face. but feel free to put any other type on it you want at the end of course.

thanks!

[Myelectronicdays]

How's this working for everyone?

http://www.myelectronicdays.com/gallery/source_final.jpg

[Nidd]

Hey. Dave. Can I, like, marry you? I'm neither female nor hot, but I think I've fallen in love.

You really are an amazingly talented fellow. What you did is simply stunning. I love it!

[danyul]

I...I just love it so much. I didn't think I could love anything more than the first version. Dave, marry me too. We can form a convent of Source man-wives and buy some farmland out in Utah or something.

[Myelectronicdays]

I am on board with this polygamy man marriage, we will accept crispy alpha power for wedding gifts.

[rooneg]

This is cooler than words can express, when can I order some?

[Teluin]

I think I've finally decided on a playmat!

[SmallFish]

That is a sexy playmat!

[mini1337s]

Instead of the Brainstorm "bubbles" around Sensei's Divining Top, how about Jace, the Mind Sculptor in the Mercadian Masques Brainstorm "pose"?
Also Stoneforge Mystic should be holding that Jitte in the air!

Love it though. Absolutely amazing, way beyond what I ever expected it to be! I'm going to buy 2 for sure

[Technics]

@Dave
Can i ask you for a Tee shirt friendly version (having the image fade off on the sides, or give it a border etc), and I will see what people want to do about ordering some tee's polo's etc.

Are people still interested in tee's with this printed on the back, and or polo's with just the Source Logo printed on the chest?

[warfordium]

there are quite a few things which it would be AMAZING to add. the problem is that it is already AMAZING and we dont want a clusterfuck.

"Abrupt Decay, Deathrite Shaman? Swords to Plowshares?" sdematt is busy crushing Painter with Aggro Loam right now but he chimes in. filthy rock players…

and, i think Mental Misstep deserves a place. as a monument to WotC's meddling ways.

[lordofthepit]

I'm usually not a guy that likes art, but I'm very impressed by the job you've done. Keep up the great work, and thanks for the effort you put in!

[Barook]

This is fantastic!

I can spot Blood Moon, Candelabra and Jitte in the new version, but I can't identify the hand on the middle left and the tentacle eyes between Lord of Atlantis and Belcher.

Maybe you could give SFM the Jitte in her hand and use free space to draw a Hymn to Tourach Wolf howling at the (Blood Moon)?

Deathrite Shaman could easily pick up the floating skull next to Tarmogoyf.

[Technics]

Did i catch a insect delver real small in the background by the buildings?

[Lemnear]

Did i catch a insect delver real small in the background by the buildings?

That's an Insecile Aberration flying over a Moat!

[Teluin]

Craterhoof doesn't seem like an epic Legacy card though. I think the Hymn Wolf there would be cooler. But either way, the thing's awesome.

[HammafistRoob]

I have to agree there, and as amazing as Lord of Atlantis looks, he's only in a fringe archetype. I really feel like Bob is missing, ditto Deathrite, who is THE most played creature in legacy, probably deserves a spot. If this comes off as picky or anything I apologize, since I probably won't have the funds to get one of these amazing pieces :,( . Really amazing work sir.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Curious, did you deliberately put swords of revealing light in there (the three cross things around stoneforge mystic) or was that by coincidence.

That aside, that is the coolest image for a playmat ever.

[Nihil Credo]

Awesome stuff, looks great (although no High Tide image wahhhhhh)

Look again!

Candelabra of Tawnos above the Top

[Aggro_zombies]

I thought that was Karakas? Or is it behind the logo a bit?

[Dice_Box]

Craterhoof doesn't seem like an epic Legacy card though. I think the Hymn Wolf there would be cooler. But either way, the thing's awesome.Someone needs to get stomped by elves more. Craterhoof is our win con.

Sent from my mobile, forgive spelling and grammatical errors.

[Nihil Credo]

I thought that was Karakas? Or is it behind the logo a bit?

Just between Top and Karakas.

[danyul]

This is fantastic!

I can spot Blood Moon, Candelabra and Jitte in the new version, but I can't identify the hand on the middle left and the tentacle eyes between Lord of Atlantis and Belcher.

Maybe you could give SFM the Jitte in her hand and use free space to draw a Hymn to Tourach Wolf howling at the (Blood Moon)?

Deathrite Shaman could easily pick up the floating skull next to Tarmogoyf.

I don't think SFM should ever touch the things she fetches. In her art she just kinda hangs out and wills the equipment into being. It is appropriate that the Jitte is floating. Also I think that Deathrite Shaman idea is really cool.


Curious, did you deliberately put swords of revealing light in there (the three cross things around stoneforge mystic) or was that by coincidence.

That aside, that is the coolest image for a playmat ever.

Those are the light-sword thingies from the SFM rocks. If you look at the art on the card, she is like Magneto-forging some weapon from two rocks.

Thanks again for all your work, Dave! I can't wait to rock these at my LGS.

[HammafistRoob]

Really digging it so far. This is some badass work. I also like the understated subtlety of the black & white image. My only suggestion (aside from centering the logo vertically a bit more) would be a subtle tint so the image and the logo are a bit more harmonious:

Fixed that for you, the way you had it didn't read right haha.


Curious, did you deliberately put swords of revealing light in there (the three cross things around stoneforge mystic) or was that by coincidence?
Whew. I felt like a yugioh nerd when that was the first thing I thought of when I saw that, even though I haven't played yugo since the stone age. Thanks for having my back bro. But nah, after looking at it for a minute, it looks like a continuation from the Lightning Bolt striking the ground kinda?

EDIT- I just noticed that the Goyf looks a lot like Kami of the Hunt.

[Aggro_zombies]

Just between Top and Karakas.
Oh, derp, I was looking at the previous version of it. No wonder I was confused.

[mrjumbo03]

I like how you managed to incorporate Vial via the hand pouring something on the merfolk, and Show and Tell via the eye and tentacles monster.

Nice suggestion regarding Deathrite beside the Goyf.

Few more possible suggestions. Dark Confidant can fit into that space between Stoneforge and Infernal, making it seem like there is something evil counseling Bob. The merfolk could unwittingly get his thoughts seized by a faerie beside his ear. STP could probably be represented by the bearded person holding his stick beside the cat on the cliff overlooking something. Might not make much sense but I can't see putting him anywhere else.

Again, awesome job on the art.

[Chimera87]

That´s one heck of a playmat! Would love to play with that here in The Netherlands... awesome work!

[Julian23]

This is incredible! Man, looking at your work gives me goosebumps all along! Can't wait for you to post your next update, but also feel free to take all the time you need because you've got such a huge amount of skills and talent, this is going to become something EPIC!

I love all the details you put in. Gives you something to look at and still discover new interactions and cards. That Aether Vial on the Lord? Awesome!

So what I would love to see is some more Elves around the Craterhoof Behemoth It's also a great way of incorporating Deathrite Shaman! And maybe the guy on Glimpse of Nature sitting underneath the Behemoth (on the right side), glancing at the horde of Elves + their stampeding Behemoth!!! ROAR!

[rooneg]

Another thing that might be worth working in is something more explocitly "Goblins" oriented. The ones by the Charbelcher appear to be of the "Empty the Warrens" variety, which is awesome, but Goblins as a deck has been a part of legacy forever, so working on a Lackey, Piledriver or Matron would be very appropriate. Or maybe they're in there somewhere and I just missed them ;-)

[JPoJohnson]

Everytime I look at the mat again, I'm just in awe and amazement. This thing is incredible.

I can't wait to see the full-image final copy of this. I personally prefer it with the off-black/white theme than with full color. Love it.

[Julian23]

Another thing that might be worth working in is something more explocitly "Goblins" oriented. The ones by the Charbelcher appear to be of the "Empty the Warrens" variety, which is awesome, but Goblins as a deck has been a part of legacy forever, so working on a Lackey, Piledriver or Matron would be very appropriate. Or maybe they're in there somewhere and I just missed them ;-)

Warchief!

[Higgs]

Everyone's coming up with lots of ideas and requests and obviously it should be very hard to satisfy everyone but I just wanted to drop a comment as well. The Jitte looks too much at the front to me while everything else seems to be blended nicely together, maybe you could work it into the background a bit more. Other than that, great stuff!

[ScatmanX]

Awesome work so far. Thanks for that.

[Myelectronicdays]

Thanks all! Yeah some of the idea's in there are a little more subtle.. like the tentacles from show and tell. There's always a fine line from recreating very well known wotc characters and them throwing the hammer down on a mat like this. I had the deathrite shaman in a previous piece that was axed, so that guy puts a fear in me now ;)

I feel like we could keep adding tons and tons of characters to it.. but I was worried of the piece becoming overly busy.. where as right now there is enough open space to let it breathe and the composition to flow easier. all the feedback has been great though, and lets hope to all be rocking these mats very soon

[Teluin]

Someone needs to get stomped by elves more. Craterhoof is our win con.

Sent from my mobile, forgive spelling and grammatical errors.

I know what deck it's from, I just don't think he's iconic. Anyway, the playmat's awesome.

[rooneg]

I feel like we could keep adding tons and tons of characters to it.. but I was worried of the piece becoming overly busy.. where as right now there is enough open space to let it breathe and the composition to flow easier. all the feedback has been great though, and lets hope to all be rocking these mats very soon

I think it's safe to say that all the suggestions should be taken in the "If you were looking for something else to put in, this would be nice, but if in your artistic opinion you think it's as full as it can get then just call it done!" sense. It's really awesome as is, and if we can get playmats printed up with this version I think everyone would be incredibly happy with it.

[JPoJohnson]

I like how it is right now in it's inclusion of different characters and cards. It has enough at various parts of the mat to be recognizeable and enough hidden ones to keep it exciting without being too busy. If anything else IS added, I think it would be minor additions and mostly tweaking of the current piece of work. I'm in love with this :smile: I am thinking I may have a version of it for my desktop

[r3dd09]

Everyone's coming up with lots of ideas and requests and obviously it should be very hard to satisfy everyone but I just wanted to drop a comment as well. The Jitte looks too much at the front to me while everything else seems to be blended nicely together, maybe you could work it into the background a bit more. Other than that, great stuff!

I agree, possibly move the jitte a bit closer to SFM and reduce the white outline to be more subtle as the background it darker, It draws attention to it.

Maybe reduce the size of craterhoof just a tad and add some small images of something?

I'm Loving the design,none-the-less.

[Myelectronicdays]

I'll try to drop the jitte back for sure. thanks all!

[r3dd09]

I'll try to drop the jitte back for sure. thanks all!

Most importantly, are you enjoying this project? What would you like to add to it? It's your piece, you definitely have a say in it :)

[Myelectronicdays]

Most importantly, are you enjoying this project? What would you like to add to it? It's your piece, you definitely have a say in it :)

I love the piece so far.. I work with so many art directors that me absorbing feedback is 2nd nature now. ;)

[Barbed Blightning]

Idea: if you drop the show and tell tentacles (they're friggin' awesome but you've already got Emrakul and Grizzlebees) and add a warchief (attacking the LoA, maybe?), I think most of the bases will have been covered for legacy decks. Cards I'd love to see still (but understand that there is ultimately a non-infinite amount of room):

-Deathrite
-Bob
-Stifle
-Daze
-Burning Wish
-Swords to Plowshares
-Abrupt Decay
-Arcbound Ravager
-Chalice of the Void

It speaks to the sheer variety of Legacy's card pool that there are still so many other beloved cards, though.

I also love the brainstorm dots around the Top, Hoofie (the bastard has certainly stomped me once or twice) and the Blood Moon

[Zilla]

I think Dave's about ready to be done, which is fine, because in my opinion the piece looks fucking amazing. Here's what it's looking like with a few final minor tweaks (Jitte is a little less dark, Chalice got added, logo stands out slightly more, and site url added):

http://mtgthesource.com/downloads/source_playmat_final.jpg

[Esper3k]

Been out for a few days but man that image looks absolutely awesome!

[danyul]

My wallet is ready.

[Technics]

My wallet is ready.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

My wallet is ready.

[Deviruchi]

Wow, this project is great. Reading all these pages at once and watching another versions of playmat was quite the adventure. My wallet is also ready. I'm happy to see Jitte getting less dark. I miss Wasteland and Hymn a little bit but I think now "less is better" and I'm also very happy there are no planeswalkers.

Hope you will send to Europe ^^

[Phoenix Ignition]

That looks amazing, definitely getting at least one.

[theBloody]

Stunning work. Looking forward for one also.

[Chimera87]

Hope you will send to Europe ^^
Sure hope so too!

[JDK]

The art looks amazing, but who is the zombie guy on the left (in front of Tendrils)? xD edit: ah, Infernal Tutor ^^

Is there any chance we could get the .psd-file, as I'd like to highlight the text with a subtle background-color, like the old TS playmat was using.

[r3dd09]

Can Force be lifted a bit, or the title dropped just a tad. cutting off some of his face doesn't sit well with me from a design aspect.

EDIT: My wallet is also ready.

[mini1337s]

My body is ready.


EDIT:
My wallet too.

[ScatmanX]

Wow, this project is great. Reading all these pages at once and watching another versions of playmat was quite the adventure. My wallet is also ready. I'm happy to see Jitte getting less dark. I miss Wasteland and Hymn a little bit but I think now "less is better" and I'm also very happy there are no planeswalkers.

Hope you will send to Europe ^^
And Brazil.

[Que]

Thats a really nice looking piece. As someone mentioned idk how I feel about KoTR and Stoneforge cute faces, but thats more of a nitpick. ;p Reminds me of penny arcade style.

anyways needless to say..
I'll be buyin. :U

[Mammutti]

^ Same here. The cute faces could be a little bit more rugged and dark imo. But I feel contradictory to say any criticism as this is the best and most intriguing playmat I've ever seen. Well done, sir!

Please ship to Europe.

[Mr.C]

My body is ready.


EDIT:
My wallet too.

[warfordium]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1123830/shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg

[Mr.C]

Yeah, seriously. I missed the one in 2011 because I couldn't make it to Providence; not missing this one.

[Zilla]

Nearly 50% of this site's traffic is from international (non-US) users. Unless it's physically impossible, we will find a way to ship a playmat to anyone that wants one.

[Julian23]

Last time I checked, it was physically possible. *phew* :wink:

[Technics]

Nearly 50% of this site's traffic is from international (non-US) users. Unless it's physically impossible, we will find a way to ship a playmat to anyone that wants one.

Zilla I did a screen print flag for an alliance I have in some other game, and we shipped internationally really cheap. USPS flat rate international is like 10 bucks (cheap for international).

Then USPS flat rate domestic is like 4-5.

FYI.

[Nihil Credo]

Can Force be lifted a bit, or the title dropped just a tad. cutting off some of his face doesn't sit well with me from a design aspect.

Yeah, I had the same thought. I think this position looks a little better: http://i.imgur.com/yOxRl78.jpg

(I've also messed around with some simple colouring layers. I think it looks pretty awful tbh, but I might as well post it just in case: http://i.imgur.com/D24tGqx.jpg )

[Esper3k]

I actually like the cute faces, especially on the ladies. I think it gives the overall piece a lighter and more energetic feel.

My preference so far is for the all blue look as well. It's a nod to the old playmat as well as the traditional Source banners.

[Barbed Blightning]

I actually like the cute faces, especially on the ladies. I think it gives the overall piece a lighter and more energetic feel.

My preference so far is for the all blue look as well. It's a nod to the old playmat as well as the traditional Source banners.

+1

[shrubs]

I agree, I've never been a fan of grimdark/overly gritty art (looking at you, Swanland). That style seems to take itself too seriously, especially when overdone like it tends to be.

A clean, even cutesy style like this is refreshing, and I'm liking it so far. Looking forward to the finished product!

[Mr.C]

Now that we've seen how sick it looks, any ETA for a playmat?

[Megadeus]

God that is just awesome.

[Elias]

Looks amazing!

[Patz]

My wallet is ready.

[kiblast]

That's amazing! I'm definitely going to buy it.

[sdematt]

Are Abrupt Decay or Deathrite Shaman hiding somewhere I can't see? It'd be a shame to have a Source playmat without them ;)

-Matt

[r3dd09]

Yeah, I had the same thought. I think this position looks a little better: http://i.imgur.com/yOxRl78.jpg

(I've also messed around with some simple colouring layers. I think it looks pretty awful tbh, but I might as well post it just in case: http://i.imgur.com/D24tGqx.jpg )

Much better :)


I actually like the cute faces, especially on the ladies. I think it gives the overall piece a lighter and more energetic feel.

My preference so far is for the all blue look as well. It's a nod to the old playmat as well as the traditional Source banners.
I agree with this. The cute faces are a nice touch.

Are Abrupt Decay or Deathrite Shaman hiding somewhere I can't see? It'd be a shame to have a Source playmat without them ;)

-Matt

You should have suggested that earlier.
You snooze you lose!
But I also agree. He did mention he had a piece with DRS that got rejected for copyright stuff. Think he's playing it safe

[Kayradis]

THIS.

Just made my week way better.
Seems that I'll have 2 MTGTHESOURCE playmat now (including my blue one with only the website name and url.

God dammit.
I want it.
NAO!

Edit: Will we have those playmats before GP DC?

[Myelectronicdays]

I never get to any GP, so if any player here gets some pics of them playing with the new mat at one, I would love it, and make the work of the mat very much worth it!

[Kayradis]

I'll be there(hotels and shit already booked so!) and hopefully with one of your playmat!

[JDK]

If I get the mat in time, I will use it in Vienna this year, in Prague in January and probably again in Vienna in March. ;)

[Kayradis]

Now that the playmat is confirmed....
T-shirts ?

[JPoJohnson]

Any way we can get these playmats finalized and in the works? I'd love to rock it at the GPT on 10-12:smile:

[phazonmutant]

This playmat is amazing. So many easter eggs. I was sad to not see Jace, but then remembered you pointing out that Wizards has a copyright on their name-brand characters.
Choosing between this and my Judge Balance playmat is going to be tough...

[Kayradis]

This playmat is amazing. So many easter eggs. I was sad to not see Jace, but then remembered you pointing out that Wizards has a copyright on their name-brand characters.
Choosing between this and my Judge Balance playmat is going to be tough...


TheSource Playmat > Any other playmat (I'm even gonna say goodbye to my Marie Illustrious playmat [Neon Genesis Evangelion character])

[Undomian]

This playmat looks fantastic! I look forward to buying one to play with at the GP.

[infant_no_1]

I have finally caught up on things.

I am totally in for the playmat (or 3).

Also will be sending donation soon. Thanks for everything you guys have done!

[Technics]

Now that the playmat is confirmed....
T-shirts ?

I'm willing to get this going. Is there intrest? I have the hookups at work, our Team Sales division can get us all setup.

[r3dd09]

I want so much TheSource swag. Coffee mugs, hats, shirts, condoms, etc.

[thecrav]

I want so much TheSource swag. Coffee mugs, hats, shirts, condoms, etc.

something something white elemental blast

[sdematt]

I want so much TheSource swag. Coffee mugs, hats, shirts, condoms, etc.

You wouldn't use any of these anyway. Especially the latter.

-Matt

[Kayradis]

Coffee mugs? Bleh....
Hats? Thanks but not interested.
Condoms? Who use those anyway here?
T-shirts? Sure.

[r3dd09]

You wouldn't use any of these anyway. Especially the latter.

-Matt

I told you that in PRIVACY!

Besides the fact, I'm pretty much interested in a shirt and maybe a hat. I'm still waiting on my West Coast Degeneracy hat. Koby, get an update on the hats for me. I was told they're making new models, but that was about 6 months ago.

[Koby]

I told you that in PRIVACY!

Besides the fact, I'm pretty much interested in a shirt and maybe a hat. I'm still waiting on my West Coast Degeneracy hat. Koby, get an update on the hats for me. I was told they're making new models, but that was about 6 months ago.

I'll poke Casey about them. I gather you want the fitted style rather than the goofy kiddie baseball team click resizeable style?

[Barbed Blightning]

Condoms? Who use those anyway here?

The number of Sourcers who are also baby daddies is astounding.

[rxavage]

The number of Sourcers who are also baby daddies is astounding.

That's because Legacy gets you laid. Women like refined and sophisticated magic players.

[thecrav]

I'll poke Casey about them. I gather you want the fitted style rather than the goofy kiddie baseball team click resizeable style?

I was hoping for more like this:
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/royal_wedding_hats/wedding_hats_01.jpg

[Barook]

I was hoping for more like this:
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/royal_wedding_hats/wedding_hats_01.jpg
That hat somehow reminds me of Mox Ruby.

[Technics]

Tee's or Polo's?

High end or cheap?

Let me know!

[troopatroop]

As a 2003 join date, let me just say, that I've white elemental blasted all over this thread


Take hundreds of dollars from my body.

[Julian23]

Talking about awesomly bizarre hats? I recommend attending more big European Legacy events. Try to be paired against as many Dutch as possible; chances are you will eventually run into "one of those guys" with the very special hats. I think at Annecy, I saw one of them playing with a duck on his head.

[Kayradis]

I kept hearing stories about the BoM and people with weird stuff...
There's also stories about a guy with a Brazzers playmat....

[r3dd09]

Tee's or Polo's?

High end or cheap?

Let me know!
I'd be down for tee's and polo's

Can you give a rough price estimate on them, along with the different quality? I'm sure some would appreciate that.


Talking about awesomly bizarre hats? I recommend attending more big European Legacy events. Try to be paired against as many Dutch as possible; chances are you will eventually run into "one of those guys" with the very special hats. I think at Annecy, I saw one of them playing with a duck on his head.

When I read this, I instantly thought of Filippo. He wore a Disney spin hat every day at GP Vegas. He said they're sought after in Europe. http://www.crobike.de/en/werbemittel_bilder/promopeddler/10800/21934.jpg

[Zilla]

Hi! I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that the playmats won't be done by GP: DC. The turnaround time at the print shop won't allow it. That said, they have been ordered, and I should have them in 2-3 weeks. As soon as they arrive, I'll post here to let you know how to get one (or three). Thanks for your patience!

[Kayradis]

Hi! I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that the playmats won't be done by GP: DC. The turnaround time at the print shop won't allow it. That said, they have been ordered, and I should have them in 2-3 weeks. As soon as they arrive, I'll post here to let you know how to get one (or three). Thanks for your patience!

3 weeks eh?
We have approx. 5 weeks before DC.
Is there a light of hope?

[Megadeus]

Excitement mode, engaged.