Funny "What to play in Legacy?" flowchart guide

[Nihil Credo]

Link (http://imgur.com/ghaf8Ct) if you can't see it all.

From redditor Lcuccurullo.

http://i.imgur.com/ghaf8Ct.jpg

[Kayradis]

Had a good laugh. If I could find a better quality one, I'd probably print it on a poster and frame it where I T.O. so when kid ask me what they should play in legacy I could point at it.

[Koby]

Definitely needs a path "Do you wish you had less fun?" -- Tin Fins

[Julian23]

"What's your favorite type of breakfast cereals?" , anyone?

[JPoJohnson]

The best line on the whole chart:



Why do you want to play Legacy -> I hate people -> Who do you hate? -> Myself -> Doomsday.

Edit: Also pretty funny:

Why do you play Legacy -> I hate People -> Who do you hate? -> My opponents -> Do you want to go to time every round? -> No -> What card are you less scared of? -> I don't give a shit, #YOLO -> Oops, All Spells

Why do you want to play Legacy? -> I just got enough money to play! -> Did you really? -> No -> Burn

[Darkenslight]

The best line on the whole chart:



Why do you want to play Legacy -> I hate people -> Who do you hate? -> Myself -> Doomsday.

Edit: Also pretty funny:

Why do you play Legacy -> I hate People -> Who do you hate? -> My opponents -> Do you want to go to time every round? -> No -> What card are you less scared of? -> I don't give a shit, #YOLO -> Oops, All Spells

Why do you want to play Legacy? -> I just got enough money to play! -> Did you really? -> No -> Burn


You missed:


Why do you play Legacy -> I hate People -> Who do you hate? -> Judges -> Four Horsemen

[.dk]

Definitely needs a path "Do you wish you had less fun?" -- Tin Fins

Beat me to it!

[Goin Aggro]

An entire branch: "Do you want to play a deck with a completely non-descriptive name?"

[lordofthepit]

I'm going to print this on a playmat and play decks that hate people over it.

[JPoJohnson]

You missed:


Why do you play Legacy -> I hate People -> Who do you hate? -> Judges -> Four Horsemen


How did I not see that one? Haha!

[Phoenix Ignition]

Is there a deck called "Oops. All Spells"?

Don't think I've heard of that one.

[r3dd09]

Is there a deck called "Oops. All Spells"?

Don't think I've heard of that one.

YOUUUUU better believe it.

[Phoenix Ignition]

YOUUUUU better believe it.

Link?

[Koby]

Link?

aka The Rogue Hermit (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?25386-The-Rogue-Hermit)

[ESG]

This is pretty funny.

Another branch idea: "I want to play cool and/or weird decks" --> "Do you lose to Wasteland?" --> "Yes" --> Drew Levin's Five-Color Pyromancer Opposition

"Wasteland? LOL" --> Manaless Dredge

[[SLAYER]chaos]

What's The Four Horseman?

[JPoJohnson]

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=49452

A very long tedious deck. I think if it was played out, it would take longer to kill someone that the old (now banned) Modern "Eggs" decklist.

You mill yourself to an Emrakul, ping for a bit of damage, reshuffle up and repeat. Over. And over. And over. And over.

[r3dd09]

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=49452

A very long tedious deck. I think if it was played out, it would take longer to kill someone that the old (now banned) Modern "Eggs" decklist.

You mill yourself to an Emrakul, ping for a bit of damage, reshuffle up and repeat. Over. And over. And over. And over.

they (judges) require you to try and combo, if you don't advance the game state with in a certain amount of time, you have to pass turn and try again. Wish probability was good enough to say, I do this X amount of times, but there is the once instance of it not happening, thus you have to manually do it.

[JPoJohnson]

they (judges) require you to try and combo, if you don't advance the game state with in a certain amount of time, you have to pass turn and try again. Wish probability was good enough to say, I do this X amount of times, but there is the once instance of it not happening, thus you have to manually do it.

Yup, the deck essentially breaks the 'slow play' tournament rule though so... Although every card is Legacy legal, the deck is basically banned out. Not really a point in putting it on this list. At this point it either gets game loss or does little points of damage every turn until it loses.

[warfordium]

The best line on the whole chart:
Why do you want to play Legacy -> I hate people -> Who do you hate? -> Myself -> Doomsday.

You missed:
Why do you play Legacy -> I hate People -> Who do you hate? -> Judges -> Four Horsemen


Definitely needs a path "Do you wish you had less fun?" -- Tin Fins

The elves bit about the missed triggers—it was our Thursday night $5, i was up a game already and my opponent plays a value glimpse which turns into a maybe-combo glimpse with visionary etc. After reminding him of the first 2 triggers (and I was up a game already) i decided to see how long it would go on…

I think I'll capitalize on my underemployment to make a non-facemeltingly bad version of the flowchart…might make a great second Source fundraiser playmat!! #omnigraffleskillz

[Finn]

Damnit, Four Horsemen was never slow! That is what made the rules change so...so...grrrrr!

Composure.
Composure.

Really cool flow chart.

[warfordium]

"Good and Fair" ➞ "Would you rather have a really old deck or a fairly new one?" ➞ "New"

➞ "Bolt or Abrupt Decay?"

➞ "Bolt!" ➞ Team Italia
➞ "Abrupt Decay" ➞ Junk

[r3dd09]

The elves bit about the missed triggers—it was our Thursday night $5, i was up a game already and my opponent plays a value glimpse which turns into a maybe-combo glimpse with visionary etc. After reminding him of the first 2 triggers (and I was up a game already) i decided to see how long it would go on…

I think I'll capitalize on my underemployment to make a non-facemeltingly bad version of the flowchart…might make a great second Source fundraiser playmat!! #omnigraffleskillz

I demand another flow chart!

[Barook]

I kinda miss a "Nourishing Lich" tree in that flowchart.

[Kich867]

No one's making any comments about the "I just want to win but don't want to play blue: Aggro Loam" and how strange that is?

[phazonmutant]

aka The Rogue Hermit (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?25386-The-Rogue-Hermit)

A well-named link, if I do say so myself :cool:


http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=49452

A very long tedious deck. I think if it was played out, it would take longer to kill someone that the old (now banned) Modern "Eggs" decklist.

You mill yourself to an Emrakul, ping for a bit of damage, reshuffle up and repeat. Over. And over. And over. And over.

Wrong. Once you demonstrate the combo, it's (asymptotically) 100% to kill the opponent, unlike Eggs where there is real advantage to making your opponent play it out. Also it takes no decisions, just shuffling, so it's faster. It's intuitive how to shortcut the combo - it can be very simply described using a sufficiently expressive way to represent shortcuts, but unfortunately my judgely superiors have said no.

Finn, I feel your pain. I wish I could have played this deck when it was legal.


they (judges) require you to try and combo, if you don't advance the game state with in a certain amount of time, you have to pass turn and try again. Wish probability was good enough to say, I do this X amount of times, but there is the once instance of it not happening, thus you have to manually do it.

Time is one thing that can get you a slow play warning, but no one accused Finn et al of playing slowly. High Tide and TinFins (going infinite) both take a long time, but aren't punishable. The criteria is "advancing the board state" with a game action. If you perform multiple game actions that don't advance the board state (as defined in some vague way), you have to stop and do something else.


Yup, the deck essentially breaks the 'slow play' tournament rule though so... Although every card is Legacy legal, the deck is basically banned out. Not really a point in putting it on this list. At this point it either gets game loss or does little points of damage every turn until it loses.

To be fair, it got 17th months after its banning.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=49452

[Barook]

No one's making any comments about the "I just want to win but don't want to play blue: Aggro Loam" and how strange that is?
I wondered about that, too.

I don't really get the one leading to Maverick, either.

[lordofthepit]

http://i.imgur.com/IefczQA.png

[JPoJohnson]

I think people on this forum will feel more this way:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9975/o48w.png

[Phoenix Ignition]

I like modern.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

No one's making any comments about the "I just want to win but don't want to play blue: Aggro Loam" and how strange that is?

I've been spending the past couple weeks trying out lots of lists and tweaks and I have no idea what they're talking about.

[TheArchitect]

I had a quiet a few chuckles.

This line was definitely my favorite though:

Why do you want to play Legacy? -> I just got enough money to play! -> Did you really? -> No -> Burn

[warfordium]

while my lady friend watched some zombies die, I made up the following:

Legacy Flow Chart Playmat (https://www.dropbox.com/s/b86a96grja8l68v/Legacy%20Flow%20Chart%20Playmat.png)

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Had a good laugh. If I could find a better quality one, I'd probably print it on a poster and frame it where I T.O. so when kid ask me what they should play in legacy I could point at it.

+1

[Barook]

Legacy Flow Chart Playmat (https://www.dropbox.com/s/b86a96grja8l68v/Legacy%20Flow%20Chart%20Playmat.png)
Thumps up!

[Nihil Credo]

while my lady friend watched some zombies die, I made up the following:

Legacy Flow Chart Playmat (https://www.dropbox.com/s/b86a96grja8l68v/Legacy%20Flow%20Chart%20Playmat.png)

Great work on the colouring and design! However, I think almost all your changes to the text are for the worse (i.e. less funny).

[Hardcore]

As a Pox player I can say that playing the deck is like playing old school blue-white control (but mono B); your gift to the opponent is frustration. Call it Payback if u like.

[JPoJohnson]

while my lady friend watched some zombies die, I made up the following:

Legacy Flow Chart Playmat (https://www.dropbox.com/s/b86a96grja8l68v/Legacy%20Flow%20Chart%20Playmat.png)

You switched Belcher and Manaless Dredge. Fun otherwise (:

[warfordium]

You switched Belcher and Manaless Dredge. Fun otherwise (:

read carefully...

[JPoJohnson]

Haha, I sped read it. I done goofed :laugh:

[nedleeds]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HvNJFS4lCyM/UlB3-IudFUI/AAAAAAAACE4/EbHDITh-0W4/s912/play.png

[luckme10]

I kinda miss a "Nourishing Lich" tree in that flowchart.

It would look like this:
Why Do You Want To Play Legacy -> I want to play really cool/wierd decks-> Do You want to play a mono colored deck -> No -> Do You Want to be King Durdle -> No ->Do you want your deck to be good and fair or bad and combo-y -> Bad and Combo-y What would your rather lose to? -> Removal/Counterspells -> infect Stompy ->Not bad enough-> lifegain.dec-> keep Going -> Kobalds-> Look I just want to get drunk. Winning isn't even in my vocabulary. ->Nourishing Lich

[Phelix]

this shit just soulread me.

i even used to have ffb duals in my lands deck.

only thing: it really should also be in the "I hate people" category.

like: I hate people, => Like winning => baller => slowroll => lands.dec

[Lord Seth]

http://i.imgur.com/IefczQA.png
A bit amusing, but it lacks some important decks. You at least need Splinter Twin and Tron on there.

What's the best way to make these flowcharts anyway? All this makes me want to give one a try.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HvNJFS4lCyM/UlB3-IudFUI/AAAAAAAACE4/EbHDITh-0W4/s912/play.png

It baffles me that anyone thinks this makes them look cool.

[lordofthepit]

It baffles me that anyone thinks this makes them look cool.

IMO, "cool foreign language" only applies if you're not a native English speaker and your cards are in English.

[Lord Seth]

I never understood the appeal of playing a foreign language card other than to hope your opponent can't remember exactly what it does and slip up.

[thecrav]

I never understood the appeal of playing a foreign language card other than to hope your opponent can't remember exactly what it does and slip up.

That seems like a fine reason to me.

[phazonmutant]

I never understood the appeal of playing a foreign language card other than to hope your opponent can't remember exactly what it does and slip up.

Think about it this way. Many people can't understand pimping at all. On the face of it, it's irrational. You have to approach the game with some appreciation for collectible value. So given that mindset, think about how easy and common it is to foil out a deck. Sure, you have to have money, but it's not exactly difficult to log in to tcgplayer and drop a load on foils. On the other hand, it takes persistence and searching to find sweet foreign cards. Most aren't exactly rare, but you have to be patient and wait for them to show up. Also, how often do you see people with a foreigned out deck?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Btw, I really like asian cards. And I really don't care if snobs/haters (note: this ain't directed at you!) say that I'm a wannabe.
First: fonts look nice. I don't need to understand the language and I may still appreciate the beauty of the font in the same way as I don't need to understand Chinese/Korean/Japanese and still like their art/countryside/anything.
Second: In fact I like that I can't read the cards. Every time I see Willenskraft that's an Unterbrechungszauber (or any other old card with completely sick wording, discontinued card type, messed up text, rulings that don't work anymore, etc.), I wish that I rather can't read that card.

Playing with JPN/KOR/CHI is like having all your cards updated to most recent errata, with the added bonus that the fonts are (mostly) beautiful. (Yes, some of the T-Chinese - amirite? - cards use a font that's ugly, but well, mostly they're nice.)

edit: Nice pimp languages would be Turkish, Hungarian, Finnish, Vietnamese and Thai.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

I never understood the appeal of playing a foreign language card other than to hope your opponent can't remember exactly what it does and slip up.

I actually find the opposite to be the case. If it's an English card, people are free to misread it if they want to check the rules. If they ask you what the card does you can just show it to them. Contrariwise, if you have to explain what a card does you can't leave anything out or misrepresent it in any way.

[DragoFireheart]

I actually find the opposite to be the case. If it's an English card, people are free to misread it if they want to check the rules. If they ask you what the card does you can just show it to them. Contrariwise, if you have to explain what a card does you can't leave anything out or misrepresent it in any way.

Semantics.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I actually find the opposite to be the case. If it's an English card, people are free to misread it if they want to check the rules. If they ask you what the card does you can just show it to them. Contrariwise, if you have to explain what a card does you can't leave anything out or misrepresent it in any way.

I'd call judge. It's not like I wish to be DQed just because I forget about something completely irrelevant, like the fact that Mongrel/Monger changes color.

[apple713]

A well-named link, if I do say so myself :cool:



Wrong. Once you demonstrate the combo, it's (asymptotically) 100% to kill the opponent, unlike Eggs where there is real advantage to making your opponent play it out. Also it takes no decisions, just shuffling, so it's faster. It's intuitive how to shortcut the combo - it can be very simply described using a sufficiently expressive way to represent shortcuts, but unfortunately my judgely superiors have said no.

Finn, I feel your pain. I wish I could have played this deck when it was legal.



Time is one thing that can get you a slow play warning, but no one accused Finn et al of playing slowly. High Tide and TinFins (going infinite) both take a long time, but aren't punishable. The criteria is "advancing the board state" with a game action. If you perform multiple game actions that don't advance the board state (as defined in some vague way), you have to stop and do something else.



To be fair, it got 17th months after its banning.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=49452

I'm not sure what makes the deck called the 4 horsemen but it seems like it would still be viable if it made the following changes, which would result in a more stable rouge hermit deck possibly.

-2 emrakul
-1 sharuum
-1 blasting station

+1 angel of glory's rise / reveillark
+1 azami lady of scrolls
+1 laboratory maniac
+1 bridge from below? / anything


actually upon further inspection of the deck it seems like the list could be really improved and has a considerably amount of flexibility. The combo is a 2 card combo, orb and monolith, and requires 7 extra cards, 4 narcomeoba, angel of glory's rise, lab maniac, azami. Everything else in the deck can dig for the combo/protect it and since its a colorless combo it can fit into any shell. The combo only requires 5 colorless mana total.... 3 for monolith, and 2 more for orb. Painter stone requires 2 for painter, 1 for grinstone, and 3 for activation...so 6 total. Also, neither orb nor monolith get destroyed by creature removal. Has anyone given this deck serious consideration?

[Koby]

I'm not sure what makes the deck called the 4 horsemen but it seems like it would still be viable if it made the following changes, which would result in a more stable rouge hermit deck possibly.

-2 emrakul
-1 sharuum
-1 blasting station

+1 angel of glory's rise / reveillark
+1 azami lady of scrolls
+1 laboratory maniac
+1 bridge from below? / anything

Hooray, now we just have a way worse deck than the existing Cephalid Breakfast. I can dig sub optimal decklists.

[Technics]

I'm not sure what makes the deck called the 4 horsemen but it seems like it would still be viable if it made the following changes, which would result in a more stable rouge hermit deck possibly.

-2 emrakul
-1 sharuum
-1 blasting station

+1 angel of glory's rise / reveillark
+1 azami lady of scrolls
+1 laboratory maniac
+1 bridge from below? / anything


actually upon further inspection of the deck it seems like the list could be really improved and has a considerably amount of flexibility. The combo is a 2 card combo, orb and monolith, and requires 7 extra cards, 4 narcomeoba, angel of glory's rise, lab maniac, azami. Everything else in the deck can dig for the combo/protect it and since its a colorless combo it can fit into any shell. The combo only requires 5 colorless mana total.... 3 for monolith, and 2 more for orb. Painter stone requires 2 for painter, 1 for grinstone, and 3 for activation...so 6 total. Also, neither orb nor monolith get destroyed by creature removal. Has anyone given this deck serious consideration?

The reason that people play the emrakul/station kill is because you can't disrupt it with surgical because you just mill into emrakul in response and try again.

[Darkenslight]

The reason that people play the emrakul/station kill is because you can't disrupt it with surgical because you just mill into emrakul in response and try again.

That depends on the skill of the player who's using the Surgical. But yes, Four Horsemen is a judge's nightmare, if only because of how long it takes to assemble the combo completely.

[nedleeds]

IMO, "cool foreign language" only applies if you're not a native English speaker and your cards are in English.

Sure. German cards in Germany are German.


I never understood the appeal of playing a foreign language card other than to hope your opponent can't remember exactly what it does and slip up.

This is at least a 1/3 of it. Card pool knowledge is crucial to being good in eternal formats. You'd be surprised how many people pay $40 to enter an eternal tourney and don't know how Ensnaring Bridge works, or Tangle Wire, or Suppression Field. A bad player will often just assume he does and make errors. Then there are really bad players who get the Oracle and still don't understand what a card does. The irony is older English cards tend to get slipped up on more because the unwary opponent will attempt to discern the proper functionality from the old card text. If a player doesn't know what my Korean Smokestack does he will get oracle ... an english one he may try to read and miss something because of outdated text.

It's a 1/3 value 1/3 aethestics 1/3 confusing opponents I'd say.


It baffles me that anyone thinks this makes them look cool.

I don't think I've ever thought I looked "cool" playing magic. I think the cards look cool in certain languages, don't confuse the two. Have you? If so you need may need to reevaluate your life priorities. I've had fun. I've laughed. I've screamed. I've sulked. But definitely never thought I was a cool kid for playing.

[Megadeus]

Sure. German cards in Germany are German.



This is at least a 1/3 of it. Card pool knowledge is crucial to being good in eternal formats. You'd be surprised how many people pay $40 to enter an eternal tourney and don't know how Ensnaring Bridge works, or Tangle Wire, or Suppression Field. A bad player will often just assume he does and make errors. Then there are really bad players who get the Oracle and still don't understand what a card does. The irony is older English cards tend to get slipped up on more because the unwary opponent will attempt to discern the proper functionality from the old card text. If a player doesn't know what my Korean Smokestack does he will get oracle ... an english one he may try to read and miss something because of outdated text.

It's a 1/3 value 1/3 aethestics 1/3 confusing opponents I'd say.



I don't think I've ever thought I looked "cool" playing magic. I think the cards look cool in certain languages, don't confuse the two. Have you? If so you need may need to reevaluate your life priorities. I've had fun. I've laughed. I've screamed. I've sulked. But definitely never thought I was a cool kid for playing.

I think it's cool until I see that people I knew in high school playing football in college. Such is the unfortunate outcome of being a short 190 pound offensive lineman

[nedleeds]

I think it's cool until I see that people I knew in high school playing football in college. Such is the unfortunate outcome of being a short 190 pound offensive lineman

You're 190 lbs? No way ;)

I mean certainly among'st the dozen or so people that meander to the store on a give Wednesday there is coolness in doing certain stupid MTG related things

- killing people with bear tokens
- finding your one of silence in your opening hand vs. storm and just mauling the unsuspecting player
- dropping Iona off a show and tell from the mono blue omnitell
- naming Ouphe with your blood mooned cavern
- mulling to 1 to find black leyline
- responding to Time Spiral with Lotion Thief
- responding to just about anything with Lotion Thief

but in the large game of life none of these things are cool

[mini1337s]

The last time Magic was cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztAWVUO1Zo

[Megadeus]

You're 190 lbs? No way ;)

I mean certainly among'st the dozen or so people that meander to the store on a give Wednesday there is coolness in doing certain stupid MTG related things

- killing people with bear tokens
- finding your one of silence in your opening hand vs. storm and just mauling the unsuspecting player
- dropping Iona off a show and tell from the mono blue omnitell
- naming Ouphe with your blood mooned cavern
- mulling to 1 to find black leyline
- responding to Time Spiral with Lotion Thief
- responding to just about anything with Lotion Thief

but in the large game of life none of these things are cool

*Was 190 pounds. Lol. Fast food and having no reason to work out catches up to me... Time to start it up again I guess!

Yeah I never played magic expecting it to be cool lol. But when your friends are nerds, I guess I had no choice when I got in. Money spent on Magic cards is at least better spent than money on drugs and alcohol (not that I dont drink). Having a hobby to fill free time is nice as well. And foreign cards are cool to play with. I mean the game was originally a game based around mathematics and showing off fantasy related art right? So having pleasant to look at things is part of the game? If you prefer a certain language more power to you I suppose.

[Phoenix Ignition]

I prefer to use foreign language cards when I play because I assume everyone knows what they do anyway and then when I'm waiting for my opponent to make a painstakingly easy play but still taking 30+ seconds on it I can try to brush up on my foreign language reading skills.

Might as well learn something while you wait. If you know a little of the language anyway it's a pretty easy way to pick up fun words like "flying."

[Julian23]

Lotion Thief

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Next Level Lotion Thief: responding to Enter the Infinite. The first time I considered it I felt like (in order):


:cool:.....:smile:.....:confused:.....:eek:.....:cry:

[Barook]

The last time Magic was cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztAWVUO1Zo
That ad was pretty boss for a MtG-related promotion.

I wonder when the Marketing decided to go full retard with their advertising, considering the many failures they have produced over many years.

[nedleeds]

I prefer to use foreign language cards when I play because I assume everyone knows what they do anyway and then when I'm waiting for my opponent to make a painstakingly easy play but still taking 30+ seconds on it I can try to brush up on my foreign language reading skills.

Might as well learn something while you wait. If you know a little of the language anyway it's a pretty easy way to pick up fun words like "flying."

You have no idea how f'ing true this is sometimes. Entomb ... 15 minutes later ... Griselbrand.

[mini1337s]

That ad was pretty boss for a MtG-related promotion.

I wonder when the Marketing decided to go full retard with their advertising, considering the many failures they have produced over many years.
Shawn Regnier makes Mark Justice look like such a little kid in that. I love that it's a Brawn > Brains ad :P

[Freggle]

This is pretty amazing.