[deck] u/b painted stone

[tbrew]

I can't afford the red alternative with imperial servant. My goal with this deck is to get my combo out as soon as possible and to protect it.


4x Painter's servant
4x Trinket Mage
1x Spellskite

4x Grindstone
1x Tormod's crypt
1x Meekstone

4x Force of Will
3x Spell Pierce
2x Lim-Dul's Vault
3x Blue elemental blast
4x Preordain
4x Ponder
3x Fabricate

4x Ancient Tomb
4x Drowned Catacomb
2x Watery Grave
2x Academy Ruins
1x Seat of the synod
1x Vault of whispers
4x Island
3x Swamp

Sideboard
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Nihil spellbomb
1x Grafdigger's cage
1x Pithing needle
2x Lim-Dul's Vault
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
1x Engineered Explosives
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Blue elemental blast
2x Phyrexian revoker


This deck has changed 3 times already. I originally was running some Duress and inquisition of kozilek in the main deck, but changed my mind. Gimme some thoughts/concerns please.

[Megadeus]

The only reason that the red blast inn the main deck is so good is because blue is sucha heavily played color. Main board blue blast seems useless unless you have a painter out. Also if I were splashing black I would play dark ritual to attempt to combo as quickly as possible

Edit: maybe look into painted stone. It's the UR version that doesn't generally run recruiter

[tbrew]

The reason for the BEB's are for the painter to get out and use.

[Megadeus]

I understand the synergy, but red blast is good because of how much blue is played. That way even without a painter out you don't have dead cards a majority of the time

[SirTylerGalt]

What does the black splash bring that the red splash does not? U/R Painter seems a lot better... Goblin Welder + REB / Pyroblast is a lot better than discard and Lim Dul's Vault. You can use Welder + Intuition as a tutor, anyway.

If I were to play black in a Painter deck, it would be for Tezzeret, AoB and Baleful Strix. But I think I would still play red anyway, so it would be URb Painter...

[tbrew]

Well this is a lesson learned. I spent all of my money in a month trying to make a legacy deck. It started with a mill/control and me buying Mind Grind's, Glimpse the Unthinkable's, Hedron Crab's etc.. Then morphed into the painter's servant/grindstone using U/B mainly because of discovering Lim-Dul's Vault and how it can tutor.
Now, here I am, stuck with no more money and not confident in all of the cards in front of me. My goal was to take this to my first tournament: Grand Prix Washington D.C. 11/15 weekend.
I'm going to try out some form of this deck tonight at my LCS.

[caggii]

Ub is fine I would try to add ritual for the oops I win aspect. I played against a b/w version day 2 of denver and I was playing a urw version the bebs may not be needed md.

[kingtk3]

Well this is a lesson learned. I spent all of my money in a month trying to make a legacy deck. It started with a mill/control and me buying Mind Grind's, Glimpse the Unthinkable's, Hedron Crab's etc.. Then morphed into the painter's servant/grindstone using U/B mainly because of discovering Lim-Dul's Vault and how it can tutor.
Now, here I am, stuck with no more money and not confident in all of the cards in front of me. My goal was to take this to my first tournament: Grand Prix Washington D.C. 11/15 weekend.
I'm going to try out some form of this deck tonight at my LCS.

I'll try to help.

What is the use on the black color right now? There are a total of 8 cards between main and side, but I understand the use only of the 2 vault main deck. Let me elaborate: lim-dul's vault is a tutor (although a slow one because it puts the card on top of the deck) so it's ok to play it maindeck because you're a combo deck. However I don't understand why you play more 2 in the side: against which decks do you side them in?

Same question goes for the inquisitions: I would guess you side them in against control decks or faster combo decks to force your combo or disrupt their, respectively. However not being able to pitch force of will (alongside sneak attack, dream halls, etc...) it's a big handicap. The ideal would be thoughtseize but, since it's expensive, duress can fill the role much better than inquisition.

There's a problem in the manabase however: you don't play fetches so you have to rely in drawing a black source on your first turn in order to play your disruprion or a turn 2 tutor, so you fill your deck with 10 black mana sources which exposes you to wasteland and can even color-screw you! In addition you also play 6 coloress land which don't play well with double colored spells (lim-dul's).

My advice is to cut black and go monoblue to add consistency.

You're playing 4 trinket mage main deck with 4 target (grindstone, tormod's, meekstone and artifact land), plus various target on the side (more about them later).
I would certanly play a number of sensei's divining top, maybe 2 or 3, cutting the lim-dul's vault.

You don't play brainstorm: is it because you can't afford them or for the lack of cheap shuffle effects?

SIDE
In the side you have to play at least 2 other copies of spellskite, possibly 3, because you need to protect your combo pieces and abrupt decay is a card.
The first thought would be to play other cheap counters like flusterstorm or swan song or dispel to force your combo through your opponent disruption, but given your mana curve I'd probably try counterbalance which would surely give you an edge against other combo and would not be expected at all!
In any case write down your sideboard plan against the most prominent decks in the meta, it will help you understand if you are overloading against some matchups (you may even find that you are siding in too many card without knowing what to take out!).


One last note: don't take it as an offense, but that's a forum for budget decks
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?56-Cavius-Casual-and-Budget-Forum
although I found it funny to help you and I may as well build a monoU version of painter in the future (with counterlock main of course) ;)

[Megadeus]

I'll try to help.

What is the use on the black color right now? There are a total of 8 cards between main and side, but I understand the use only of the 2 vault main deck. Let me elaborate: lim-dul's vault is a tutor (although a slow one because it puts the card on top of the deck) so it's ok to play it maindeck because you're a combo deck. However I don't understand why you play more 2 in the side: against which decks do you side them in?

Same question goes for the inquisitions: I would guess you side them in against control decks or faster combo decks to force your combo or disrupt their, respectively. However not being able to pitch force of will (alongside sneak attack, dream halls, etc...) it's a big handicap. The ideal would be thoughtseize but, since it's expensive, duress can fill the role much better than inquisition.

There's a problem in the manabase however: you don't play fetches so you have to rely in drawing a black source on your first turn in order to play your disruprion or a turn 2 tutor, so you fill your deck with 10 black mana sources which exposes you to wasteland and can even color-screw you! In addition you also play 6 coloress land which don't play well with double colored spells (lim-dul's).

My advice is to cut black and go monoblue to add consistency.

You're playing 4 trinket mage main deck with 4 target (grindstone, tormod's, meekstone and artifact land), plus various target on the side (more about them later).
I would certanly play a number of sensei's divining top, maybe 2 or 3, cutting the lim-dul's vault.

You don't play brainstorm: is it because you can't afford them or for the lack of cheap shuffle effects?

SIDE
In the side you have to play at least 2 other copies of spellskite, possibly 3, because you need to protect your combo pieces and abrupt decay is a card.
The first thought would be to play other cheap counters like flusterstorm or swan song or dispel to force your combo through your opponent disruption, but given your mana curve I'd probably try counterbalance which would surely give you an edge against other combo and would not be expected at all!
In any case write down your sideboard plan against the most prominent decks in the meta, it will help you understand if you are overloading against some matchups (you may even find that you are siding in too many card without knowing what to take out!).


One last note: don't take it as an offense, but that's a forum for budget decks
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?56-Cavius-Casual-and-Budget-Forum
although I found it funny to help you and I may as well build a monoU version of painter in the future (with counterlock main of course) ;)

The CB idea actually seems pretty solid. I like it.