Eternal Weekend?

[Megadeus]

Are they streaming?

[JDK]

http://www.ggslive.com/channel_ggslive2/

[Megadeus]

Sweet Thanks!

[Tormod]

These commentators are stupid.

Talking about how bad Death and Taxes is against High Tide.

[Goin Aggro]

"We're in for a treat, if you didn't see the Shardless player as they were riffling through their deck, there's some beautiful cards in there."

"Are you not a fan of revised tropical island and nonfoil nimble mongoose?"

"They get the job done....I guess."



"They get the job done, I guess."

Lies, no style points at all.

[JDK]

These commentators are stupid.

Talking about how bad Death and Taxes is against High Tide.

The chat is worse though. I know it's a twitch chat, but when people try to convince you how good Probe's alternate cost is in High Tide and that you don't board in bounce because Flusterstorm apparently counters ANY spell against DnT, you start to cry.

[Megadeus]

The chat is worse though. I know it's a twitch chat, but when people try to convince you how good Probe's alternate cost is in High Tide and that you don't board in bounce because Flusterstorm apparently counters ANY spell against DnT, you start to cry.

Yeah I was on that too. I was Hurricaneshand trying to tell them probe is mediocre...

[JDK]

<- ChannelJDK ^^

Osyp/UR Delver with Nemesis is in the Finals against DnT.

[Shawon]

Ari Lax just won the mirror D&T match to become the other finalist. UR Delver vs. D&T. FUck Delver, nothing is certain for you but death and taxes! ........... Although, Osyp was a class act for conceding a game due to misplaying lands rather than rewind the game state :cry:

[JDK]

I didn't expect the judges to rewind that anyway...

Good sportsmanship by Osyp.

[Megadeus]

And now to watch TNN rape in a fair match up eh?

[JDK]

DnT isn't a good MU for UR, so no, I guess.

[mchainmail]

These commentators are stupid.

Talking about how bad Death and Taxes is against High Tide.

How does Death and Taxes have any cards in that matchup? High Tide can, fairly easily combo through Thalia, and Taxes can't clock fast enough to really matter.

[lordofthepit]

How does Death and Taxes have any cards in that matchup? High Tide can, fairly easily combo through Thalia, and Taxes can't clock fast enough to really matter.

I'm not an expert in either matchup, but I don't think it's terrible for Death and Taxes for the following reasons:

1) It is very hard to combo through a Thalia and essentially impossible against Canonist.
2) Most of the ways to remove a hatebear are ineffective against Mother of Runes.
3) Bounce spells against hatebears are ineffective against a Vial on 2.
4) Cards like Aven Mindcensor, Mangara, Flickerwisp, and Phyrexian Revoker are not particularly strong, but they offer incidental hate (Revoker becoming more effective now that quite a few High Tide pilots are running both Top and Candelabras). Cataclysm is devastating out of the board, and Rest in Peace can be mildly annoying.
5) Rishadan Port in response to High Tide is also an annoying speed bump.
6) High Tide is generally not able to combo off before turn 3 and usually waits until turn 4. That is plenty of time for Death and Taxes to set up its defenses.
7) Time Spiral is a dangerous card to cast when your opponent has a Vial on 2.
8) High Tide usually has the ability to win counterwars, but Flusterstorm and Pact of Negation are pretty embarrassing against the cards you want to counter against Death and Taxes.

[Tormod]

How does Death and Taxes have any cards in that matchup? High Tide can, fairly easily combo through Thalia, and Taxes can't clock fast enough to really matter.

Thalia is back breaking, spending 2 to ponder dig for your answer, then spending another 2 to cast the spell. All this is eating up valuable time, This forces high tide to really durdle to find the answers to Thalia and Ethersworn. Mom protects Thalia and Ethersworn, and wipeaway is really bad against decks that run vial. High tide has no removal and no blockers so every creature is swinging through. Getting Mangara online, D&T starts to exile their lands, mean while taxing with port. Revokers shut off Candelabra. Mind Censor does a good job as a pseudo stifle against a deck that doesn't run very many lands. It has a main deck answer for everything the deck is trying to do.

[mrjumbo03]

No top8 decklists for the event? And how can we watch the replay of the event?

[birds of paradise2]

They didn't save the coverage - so it's not possible to watch replays.

Could someone who is there ASK ggslive crew to save it, so we can watch the replays?

[anonymos]

Normally the GGSlive guys post the video coverage after the event. I'm not sure how much later.

[voltron00x]

Thalia is back breaking, spending 2 to ponder dig for your answer, then spending another 2 to cast the spell. All this is eating up valuable time, This forces high tide to really durdle to find the answers to Thalia and Ethersworn. Mom protects Thalia and Ethersworn, and wipeaway is really bad against decks that run vial. High tide has no removal and no blockers so every creature is swinging through. Getting Mangara online, D&T starts to exile their lands, mean while taxing with port. Revokers shut off Candelabra. Mind Censor does a good job as a pseudo stifle against a deck that doesn't run very many lands. It has a main deck answer for everything the deck is trying to do.


For the record, the commentators were split 50/50. I specifically spent some time pointing out to RB all the cards that were relevant and why especially post-board DnT would be favored.

[JDK]

Holy fuck I need the full story of the ruling between Gerard Fabiano and Stephen Houdlette.

As far as I watched the stream (not really paying much attention) Stephen casts Ancestral Recall, puts two cards back (probably thinking he is using his Jace's Brainstorm) and passes the turn (?). After Gerard draws his card for the turn (?) a judge is called and the judge wants to rewind. Gerard appeals to the head judge. I didn't catch the ruling of the head judge. :/

[luckme10]

So this tournament is what emerged instead of paying for proper security at gen con?

[dontbiteitholmes]

So this tournament is what emerged instead of paying for proper security at gen con?

Why you don't know what you are talking about...

#1 - 2012 GenCon Vintage and Legacy events had by far the tightest security I've ever seen at a Magic event and I've been playing since Revised. It wasn't even close. They had railing, wristbands, and hired security all over the place and wouldn't even let you lean on the railing to watch a match that was taking place 5 feet away. As far as I'm aware nothing got stolen at that event.

#2 - GenCon has a large number of MtG events already, by playing in Worlds you missed pretty much the entirety of GenCon (most of Friday and Saturday).

#3 - Indy is crowded as fuck during GenCon and all the hotels are full and expensive.

#4 - The prize support was shitty.

#5 - A GenCon badge is $75 on top of entry fees and already inflated hotel prices, air travel and/or parking.

It wasn't worth it to travel far to GenCon just to play in Vintage + Legacy Worlds. Lots of people didn't go to Worlds specifically because it was at GenCon. There were more reasons to move it then keep it there, so everyone should be glad it was moved.

[Megadeus]

fish and RUG in the finals. Isn't Legacy, I mean Vintage, sweet?

[nedleeds]

3 tnn in merfolk ...

[(nameless one)]

Nope. Just one.

Merfolk won it in the finals. Apparently he cut the second TNN for Waterfront Bouncer.

Waterfront Bouncer, new tech.

[Mr Miagi]

From: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/eternal13/welcome


In the end, this weekend served as a great reminder that of all of the most broken things you can do in Magic, one of the most powerful things you can do is attack.

Oh boy :rolleyes:

ps: we gotta have the puke smiley

[mini1337s]

From: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/eternal13/welcome



Oh boy :rolleyes:

ps: we gotta have the puke smiley
Trolls from the mothership.

[socialite]

Holy fuck I need the full story of the ruling between Gerard Fabiano and Stephen Houdlette.

As far as I watched the stream (not really paying much attention) Stephen casts Ancestral Recall, puts two cards back (probably thinking he is using his Jace's Brainstorm) and passes the turn (?). After Gerard draws his card for the turn (?) a judge is called and the judge wants to rewind. Gerard appeals to the head judge. I didn't catch the ruling of the head judge. :/

That's exactly what happened, they rewound and let him have the two cards back.

He slow rolled the shit out of game two so he could windmill Forgotten Ancient on camera for the luls (which was even more hilarious because we talked about rolling it on a feature match the night before).

[Tammit67]

I'm not an expert in either matchup, but I don't think it's terrible for Death and Taxes for the following reasons:

1) It is very hard to combo through a Thalia and essentially impossible against Canonist.
2) Most of the ways to remove a hatebear are ineffective against Mother of Runes.
3) Bounce spells against hatebears are ineffective against a Vial on 2.
4) Cards like Aven Mindcensor, Mangara, Flickerwisp, and Phyrexian Revoker are not particularly strong, but they offer incidental hate (Revoker becoming more effective now that quite a few High Tide pilots are running both Top and Candelabras). Cataclysm is devastating out of the board, and Rest in Peace can be mildly annoying.
5) Rishadan Port in response to High Tide is also an annoying speed bump.
6) High Tide is generally not able to combo off before turn 3 and usually waits until turn 4. That is plenty of time for Death and Taxes to set up its defenses.
7) Time Spiral is a dangerous card to cast when your opponent has a Vial on 2.
8) High Tide usually has the ability to win counterwars, but Flusterstorm and Pact of Negation are pretty embarrassing against the cards you want to counter against Death and Taxes.

1) It is incredibly easy to combo through Thalia thanks to high tide. Cannonist is an ideal bounce target
2) The way of removing through mother is easily tutorable thanks to scroll or cunning wish
3) Force is a card, echoing truth is another solution
4) Sure
5) If you port in response to tide, you get blown out by another tide/untaps. If you port in upkeep, you get blown out by tide in upkeep.
6) Death and taxes doesn't have a fast clock nor overwhelmingly disruptive hate like CB and thus gives high tide time to sculpt with its superior filtering
7) Unless they hit cannonist, it isn't that big of a deal.
8) Those are sided out for the creature hate post board. Expect force to still be in the main and that deals with your hate/vial rather well


Any high tide player who cannot win through Thalia on board should consider another deck.

The matchup preboard is in high tide's favor enough that you cannot claim such skew games 2+3 that death and taxes is favored. There is a lot to disrupt high tide for sure, but it is more a thought exercise for high tide rather than a bad matchup.

[bfeingersh]

That's exactly what happened, they rewound and let him have the two cards back.

He slow rolled the shit out of game two so he could windmill Forgotten Ancient on camera for the luls (which was even more hilarious because we talked about rolling it on a feature match the night before).

Strictly the correct play in that scenario. I would be mad if Steve didn't make the most of his camera time (especially since Gerard had just knocked me out of contention the previous round)

[JDK]

That's exactly what happened, they rewound and let him have the two cards back.
Are you sure? Someone told me the judge did nothing in the end. Did they just let Stephen have the cards or did they even let him continue from the point after resolving the Ancestral?

[phonics]

Are you sure? Someone told me the judge did nothing in the end. Did they just let Stephen have the cards or did they even let him continue from the point after resolving the Ancestral?

I thought they said that the judge basically kept the cards on the top of his library and were drawn off of the confidants the next turn. Killing with the Forgotten Ancient was pretty good though.