[Everyday Eternal Podcast] Any requests?

[sdematt]

We have a few requested topics to cover, but is there anything anyone wants us to cover specifically in the next couple of podcasts? We can talk about whatever we want for sure, but, any requests?

-Matt

[apple713]

It woukd be interesting to touch on yet to be broken cards / cards to watch for. Maybe give some ideas to possible builds for people.

Idk if yall have branched into other formats but it would be interesting to hear some opinions / discussion on edh and how all of tge gps seem to have a good side event for them.

[Megadeus]

I like tourney reports, deck list thoughts, stuff like that. Maybe like a craziest play each of you has ever witnessed or remembered doing?

[L0cke]

Perhaps a segment on how to catch the small cheats your opponents make against you hoping you don't notice.

[aahz]

We have a few requested topics to cover, but is there anything anyone wants us to cover specifically in the next couple of podcasts? We can talk about whatever we want for sure, but, any requests?

-Matt
Vintage. Not TNN.

[Shawon]

Since the last episode made a suggestion to never leave graveyard hate at home, perhaps the cast could talk a little bit more about the subject. A potential topic could be discussing exactly how one can prepare their SB to fight the graveyard without over-committing to it, given the deck they are using. Say you're using a Burn deck - is having four SB slots for graveyard hate enough, and what gy-hate tool should be used (Relic, Cage, Crypt, Macabre, etc.)?

It's not a particularly exciting topic, but hearing the different perspectives of the cast members through anecdotes and sound reasoning could possibly make the discussion of graveyard hate at least stimulating.

[nedleeds]

Team Tusk will be up at Atomic Empire next weekend for Vintage and maybe Legacy. I can talk Vintage all day.

[Megadeus]

Team tusk :'(

[ironclad8690]

My favorite is always metagame analysis, perhaps you guys could talk about the return of the blade decks and bant.

[davelin]

Year in review and predictions for 2014

[ESG]

Have Joe Lossett on as a guest. True-Name Nemesis pushes the format more into combo, so Miracles will prosper. Or maybe you could wait until he wins another big event. Shouldn't be long.

[Barook]

My favorite is always metagame analysis, perhaps you guys could talk about the return of the blade decks and bant.
TNN happened. Not much to talk about here.

[Aggro_zombies]

Theros didn't particularly add anything to the metagame, and I doubt that any of its block mechanics will end up seeing play in Legacy (although one or two individually powerful cards might). Given that, what card (or cards) currently on the Banned List would you like to see come off, with an eye towards shaking the metagame out of its Blue Decks with TNN vs. Combo vs. Random Disruption Non-Blue funk?

[mini1337s]

Having Julian on was fantastic. I second Joe Lossett or (if you can make time zones work again) Carsten Kotter.
And Vintage. Delicious Vintage.

[Teluin]

+1 Vintage

[Kayradis]

Cooking advices?

Seriously,
Analysis in regards to GP Paris and some vintage shenanigans.
Tempest block on MTGO Opinion?

[alastair]

The demise of Jace (maybe its just me / our degenerate combo local meta, but so few decks bother with him any more).

[Koby]

Cooking advices?

Seriously,
Analysis in regards to GP Paris and some vintage shenanigans.
Tempest block on MTGO Opinion?

Oh man, I love all three of these topics!

[JACO]

Most Relevant: How to combat a TNN Aggro-Control metagame besides going over the top with combo, and besides playing Golgari Charm or Zealous Persecution.

Most Fun: Anything about Vintage.

[mini1337s]

Most Relevant: How to combat a TNN Aggro-Control metagame besides going over the top with combo, and besides playing Golgari Charm or Zealous Persecution.
Exactly, why talk about Golgari Charm or Zealous Persecution when you can talk about Toxic Deluge!

BUG Standstill... metagame predator?

[(nameless one)]

Do a 2013 review.

What about analysis of GP DC?

How about what to watch for in 2014?

[MoxBropal]

How about the Mono Black Devotion list that Day 2'd GPDC?

[nedleeds]

Guy who couldn't afford thoughtseize.dec? How is that deck really devotion. It has 2 gray merchants and lands to ramp into ... ? He didn't even play Greed God.

Creatures - 16
4 Phyrexian Obliterator
4 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
2 Desecration Demon
2 Gray Merchant of Asphodel

Spells - 22
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Hymn to Tourach
2 Duress
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Liliana of the Veil
3 Phyrexian Arena
3 Hero's Downfall
2 Geth's Verdict
2 Disfigure

Lands - 22
2 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
20 Swamp

Sideboard
2 Ashen Rider
2 Mindbreak Trap
2 Pithing Needle
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Extirpate
2 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Sorin Markov
1 Whip of Erebos

[T-101]

I'd like to raise an issue for the podcast to talk about, one I've struggled with in the past. The issue of "take-backs," and how to handle them in varying types of events.

For simplicity, lets use the example of Abrupt Decay vs. Force of Will in Shardless BUG vs. Merfolk.

Certainly, in a GP, no take backs. On the other hand, say you are trying to build a Legacy community. You and your friend play, and you finally get a third person to build a deck and play with at your LGS. His first game of Legacy, he Forces your AD. Of course this is purely casual, and you don't want to be a D-bag, and ease folks into the format, so you allow the take back.

What about the first $5, casual REL tourney? What about a tourney at Compeitive, for a set of Underground Seas?

I tend to allow take backs most of the time, but where do you folks draw the line?

Between building a Legacy Community, and winning piles of money/valuable cards, it's hard to find a good line to stick to...

[Megadeus]

I'd like to raise an issue for the podcast to talk about, one I've struggled with in the past. The issue of "take-backs," and how to handle them in varying types of events.

For simplicity, lets use the example of Abrupt Decay vs. Force of Will in Shardless BUG vs. Merfolk.

Certainly, in a GP, no take backs. On the other hand, say you are trying to build a Legacy community. You and your friend play, and you finally get a third person to build a deck and play with at your LGS. His first game of Legacy, he Forces your AD. Of course this is purely casual, and you don't want to be a D-bag, and ease folks into the format, so you allow the take back.

What about the first $5, casual REL tourney? What about a tourney at Compeitive, for a set of Underground Seas?

I tend to allow take backs most of the time, but where do you folks draw the line?

Between building a Legacy Community, and winning piles of money/valuable cards, it's hard to find a good line to stick to...

Eh. Even at my local weekly I probably wouldnt allow it. I mean if you are playing legacy, then you either know the interactions, or you learn the hard way. I know I sure as hell have done it. Ive had times when playing Nic Fit I'll blow my pernicious deed and forget to top my top. Mistakes get made. After you fuck up you learn from it and you dont do it again. Once I get into a competitive event for USeas or and SCG event I'd probably laugh if my opponent tried to take it back.

[T-101]

That's one way to handle it. At SCG Open, I'm trying to get my $2400, so certainly not.

And I agree with a hardline approach as far as myself. If I screw up, it hurts, I might lose, and I see it as a chance to learn. Certainly won't do THAT play again...

But my personal conduct rules aren't everyone else's. Being absolutely unforgiving can turn some folks away, and that might mean your goal of getting an 8-man to fire one day at your LGS is that much more unlikely.

[mini1337s]

That's one way to handle it. At SCG Open, I'm trying to get my $2400, so certainly not.

And I agree with a hardline approach as far as myself. If I screw up, it hurts, I might lose, and I see it as a chance to learn. Certainly won't do THAT play again...

But my personal conduct rules aren't everyone else's. Being absolutely unforgiving can turn some folks away, and that might mean your goal of getting an 8-man to fire one day at your LGS is that much more unlikely.
If my opponent is obviously new to the format and it's a casual event like a weekly, I'll allow take-backs. If someone is willing to drop money on a legacy deck, I'd rather not scare them away.
If it's a tournament, no dice; it's competitive REL, though you don't need to be a douchebag about it.

[Megadeus]

To clarify I don't believe your specific example above constitutes a "take-back" situation. When a player tried to perform an illegal action (which Forcing an AD clearly is), even at the competitive level the game-state is rewound back (someone correct me if I'm wrong). You allowing the "take-back" here isn't an option.

You can force AD all day long. It is perfectly legal. The result will be hymn to touraching yourself for free AND losing the Decay targetted permanent, but it is by all means a Legal play. Which is why I would not let it be a take back.

[Holly]

To clarify I don't believe your specific example above constitutes a "take-back" situation. When a player tried to perform an illegal action (which Forcing an AD clearly is), even at the competitive level the game-state is rewound back (someone correct me if I'm wrong). You allowing the "take-back" here isn't an option.

Can't be countered doesn't mean that it can't be targeted by counterspells like FoW.
You still can target it and FoW will still resolve but when it resolves it simply don't counter the Decay since it can't be countered.

Edit: Ninja'd

[davelin]

You can force AD all day long. It is perfectly legal. The result will be hymn to touraching yourself for free AND losing the Decay targetted permanent, but it is by all means a Legal play. Which is why I would not let it be a take back.

You're absolutely right, my mistake.

[Megadeus]

If my opponent is obviously new to the format and it's a casual event like a weekly, I'll allow take-backs. If someone is willing to drop money on a legacy deck, I'd rather not scare them away.
If it's a tournament, no dice; it's competitive REL, though you don't need to be a douchebag about it.

If someone is willing to drop the money on the format, they should probably be willing to make a mistake or two. It happens. Life goes on. I forgot to desideboard a wish target in a game at an open when I was a turn or 2 from winning, when I saw it off of a library I called it on myself and took the L costing me my top 8 chance. It is a learning experience.

[Tammit67]

Do a 2013 review.

The format's evolution with printings and results would be huge! Along with each of your musings on what was good at the time, how to combat the 'best' decks, and how it panned out. This could very much end up tying in with what you expect or even just would like to see more of in 2014.

It's such a broad topic that you could fill the time easily while also engaging your listeners.

[Dragonslayer_90]

For recent events: Reflection on the results of GP DC, the impact True-Name Nemesis is having on Legacy, and (if you think it's an valid question) whether his warping of the format is negative enough to merit a ban (or power level errata if that is even remotely possible).

Also, for your last podcast before we get to 2014, a year-in-review for legacy would be nice, highlighting stuff like big shifts in the wider meta, what new cards saw play in the format (large or small), etc.

[(nameless one)]

Yes this.

Basically what was hot by fall 2012 and what came and became the 2013 metagame and the projected direction of the format in 2014 and how to metagame based on it.

Cards to watch, strategy to rise (that not part of the current DtB list). You guys are usually good at reading the metagame anyways.

[theillest]

Examine deck evolution. Take a deck with a long history and discuss how subsequent sets / metas have inspired changes.

[Kayradis]

Christmas Carols?
Like.
All acapella.
No music.

[Arksz]

We have a few requested topics to cover, but is there anything anyone wants us to cover specifically in the next couple of podcasts? We can talk about whatever we want for sure, but, any requests?

-Matt

Coming back to magic after over ten years and legacy is really the format for me.

How about an episode for players new/returning to the format? An overview of the best decks that a upcoming legacy player can start and grow it.

[yugular]

I have to second the idea that Arksz said above.

I really like the podcast and you do a good job! For people like me who don't have too much experience with the format it is sometimes hard to follow though because you can skip some cards or interactions over. I would prefer that you go deep on some card interactions more often than you currently do.

[thecrav]

As always, we appreciate the feedback!

Responding to several of these in line:


Maybe like a craziest play each of you has ever witnessed or remembered doing?

We did this on the last cast and I really enjoyed it. This may end up becoming something we do fairly often.


Vintage

And Vintage. Delicious Vintage.

+1 Vintage

Most Fun: Anything about Vintage.

I love vintage, but at least in my case, I don't get to play much outside of casual testing. When the big vintage tournaments come 'round, we certainly talk about them but I don't feel I play enough to speak even semi-authoritatively about the format.

I must, of course, also shoutout to one of the other podcasts on Eternal Cental - I'm personally a very big fan of So Many Insane Plays




Have Joe Lossett on as a guest

Joe Lossett or (if you can make time zones work again) Carsten Kotter.

I'd love to have more guests on, especially big names! Scheduling thus far has been out biggest blocker.


Cooking advices?
Use more fat; probably butter. Also, don't forget acids!


The issue of "take-backs," and how to handle them in varying types of events.
This varies person to person. Speaking for myself, in a regular event, I'll allow obvious errors to be taken back, such as fetching while at 1, forcing something uncoutnerable, etc. At competitive REL or when there's something valuable on the line, play by the rules every time.


Christmas Carols?
Like.
All acapella.
No music.

In a post-scotch metagame, this seems viable.



I really like the podcast and you do a good job! For people like me who don't have too much experience with the format it is sometimes hard to follow though because you can skip some cards or interactions over. I would prefer that you go deep on some card interactions more often than you currently do.
This is something that's easy for us to miss. I'll do my best to try to catch these from now on and make sure we get a little explanation in.

[mini1337s]

I'd love to have more guests on, especially big names! Scheduling thus far has been out biggest blocker.
Maybe it's possible to generate a list of questions that you all agree would be interesting, and one person from the cast schedules time to interview them. After that is done, you splice that into the show and pause when the rest of the crew wants to comment on it.

[Shawon]

My suggestions for interviewees/guests (off the top of my head):

Bryant Cook
Joe Lossett
Jason Jaco (JACO, hosts EE podcast on Eternal )
Stephen Menedian
Dan Signorini (nitewolf9, creator of Team America)
Hatfield Bros. (writers of TMI articles, Legacy veterans)


One idea I can think of for a topic would be New Year's resolutions pertaining to MTG or Legacy. I always enjoy hearing Sam's commentary on decks. I'd like to hear him talk about more decks he's familiar with, and I kind of want him to try Cloudpost so he can talk about it.

[mini1337s]

My suggestions for interviewees/guests (off the top of my head):

Bryant Cook
Joe Lossett
Jason Jaco (JACO, hosts EE podcast on Eternal )
Stephen Menedian
Dan Signorini (nitewolf9, creator of Team America)
Hatfield Bros. (writers of TMI articles, Legacy veterans)


One idea I can think of for a topic would be New Year's resolutions pertaining to MTG or Legacy. I always enjoy hearing Sam's commentary on decks. I'd like to hear him talk about more decks he's familiar with, and I kind of want him to try Cloudpost so he can talk about it.
All great suggestions. Also, if you get Stephen Menedian, get Kevin Cron! An episode of "Everyday Insane Plays" would be sweet!

[Shawon]

Oh yes Kevin Cron! I was thinking of Steve's tenure at SCG in my post, but I definitely listen to SMIP podcast so of course include Kevin Cron! No disrespect intended for my omission.

[thecrav]

I always enjoy hearing Sam's commentary on decks. I'd like to hear him talk about more decks he's familiar with, and I kind of want him to try Cloudpost so he can talk about it.

I've always thought the deck looks cool but omg dem candelabra prices


All great suggestions. Also, if you get Stephen Menedian, get Kevin Cron! An episode of "Everyday Insane Plays" would be sweet!
This would indeed be sweet.

[Lemnear]

Dunno if a crossover between SMIP and EE is really productive atm unless you want to focus on the archtypes/cards that blend over across the formats, but that still doesn't tell you much.

I'd prefer it if you keep on working with guests to keep you guys out of the "hive mind syndrome" happening if you argue too much with the same peeps.

My favorite was the one about Cabal Therapy for obvious reasons ;)



Call me biased, but I'd love to hear Bryant Cook vs. Carsten Kotter on storm.dec

[Megadeus]

I did like the Therapy episode as well. I like exercises that require skill and have multiple lines of thinking. I'm sure you guys at some point talked about cards that are underplayed, or well positioned at the time. You could always do that topic at least for a few minutes every time the meta shifts a bit.

[SummonLegend]

I did like the Therapy episode as well. I like exercises that require skill and have multiple lines of thinking. I'm sure you guys at some point talked about cards that are underplayed, or well positioned at the time. You could always do that topic at least for a few minutes every time the meta shifts a bit.

Along the lines of the Cabal Therapy episode, I think an episode on when and why it's correct to play Brainstorm would be great as well.

[nedleeds]

Count me out for the Brainstorm episode. That's been hammered to death.

[Megadeus]

"what is he doing?! Brainstorm with no fetch land? Is he crazy?! You need a fetchland to turn that into a braincestral recall!"

[nedleeds]

Enough has been written about it. I'd expect anyone listening to have a familiarity with the best spell in the format. I don't even want to talk about why it meets ban criteria with respect to what is currently banned as that horse is dead, beaten, roasted, and made into BBQ sandwiches. The argument is long since won.

[Admiral_Arzar]

I've always thought the deck looks cool but omg dem candelabra prices


You can borrow mine if you want. I'm unlikely to need them again until I finish pimping High Tide.

[Esper3k]

You can borrow mine if you want. I'm unlikely to need them again until I finish pimping High Tide.

Makes me sad the one in the case was in such bad shape :(

[Admiral_Arzar]

Makes me sad the one in the case was in such bad shape :(

Yeah, that looked like it had been through a goddamn washing machine. I mean, mine aren't exactly NM either, but they're at least acceptable lol.

[Shawon]

An episode on how (not) to use Wasteland?

[Megadeus]

Is using wasteland difficult?

[Shawon]

Not really, but it is often a misplayed card. Surgical Extraction is another alternative for a topic. Or how to Jace, etc.

[Holly]

Yes.
I see a lot of people playing tempo and wasting whenever they can even in the mirror with 0 pressure while their opponent has a flipped Delver.
I saw people wasting some duals vs Maverick in the midgame and later losing to a Maze/Tabernacle.

Also which dual to waste versus which deck etc.

[PirateKing]

Something like a year's meta in review. What was the newest set last January, what cards have come since then, what died, what was born, a 2013 Legacy nostalgia trip.

[sdematt]

Something like a year's meta in review. What was the newest set last January, what cards have come since then, what died, what was born, a 2013 Legacy nostalgia trip.

We'll try to get something together for before the new year. Gents, let get a time together.

-Matt

[nedleeds]

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/disqualification_in_round_12.html

How about cheating? What to watch for, how to count cards. The proper etiquette for reporting it to your judge. This POS and his buddy tried to scam a spot out of a local SCG IQ (Legacy), after I bounced the guy (Aaron) who would go on to get caught - he and his buddy openly considered and asked if we could 'go back' and give Aaron the slot. In essence asking the now top 4 to falsify the results of the round of 8. Pretty insane that after all that, which was happening in plain sight at the qualifier that this douche would actually commit DCI fraud.

[Megadeus]

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/disqualification_in_round_12.html

How about cheating? What to watch for, how to count cards. The proper etiquette for reporting it to your judge. This POS and his buddy tried to scam a spot out of a local SCG IQ (Legacy), after I bounced the guy (Aaron) who would go on to get caught - he and his buddy openly considered and asked if we could 'go back' and give Aaron the slot. In essence asking the now top 4 to falsify the results of the round of 8. Pretty insane that after all that, which was happening in plain sight at the qualifier that this douche would actually commit DCI fraud.

After reading the ATL Magic group post about it (after yours was deleted which in itself is also sketchy) I determined that everyone that isn't in our legacy community is retarded.

[mini1337s]

Bertoncini could be your guest on that episode.

[nedleeds]

It would be a pretty short interview if I was on that week.

[Kayradis]

Bertoncini could be your guest on that episode.

That.
Seriously.
I'd be laughing so hard. I don't think I can ever take that guy seriously.

[Higgs]

I think the Wasteland topic would make a good article. It is a tricky card.

For the podcast I vote for a year in review or a meta analysis discussion. Be less structured. Having a conversation instead of conveying information makes for a better podcast.

Btw what happened to the Moes brothers?

[Julian23]

Wasteland, while often a pretty straight forward card, has some corner cases uses that often lead to blowouts against unaware opponents.

Scenario: You've got Scalding Tarn, Island, Island, Mountain in play and Show and Tell and Griselbrand in hand. Opponent has Delver, Goyf, Tropical, Wasteland in play and 1 unknown card.

You cast Show and Tell. Response, your opponent Wastelands your Scalding Tarn. You crack the Fetchland and in response he Daze's you. I even saw this happen with people playing for Top8 in the last round of BoM Annecy earlier this year. Something like this really shouldn't happen.

Hopefully, I'll be able to be on the next recording, let's see :-)

[Kayradis]

That's one epic line of play IMHO

[(nameless one)]

Wasteland episode would be great.

When to wasteland with the given board state. Especially with Tangle Wires

[SirTylerGalt]

Wasteland episode would be great.

When to wasteland with the given board state. Especially with Tangle Wires

I don't remember which episode exactly, but there was a So Many Insane Plays episode where they discussed a vintage MUD mirror where there was a Tangle Wire in play, and one player decided to wasteland his opponent, ultimately losing the game because he was unable to tap his Wasteland to the Tangle Wire two turns later.

[Barook]

In the TNN and Ban threads, there's currently lots of discussion about Brainstorm and how much skill it takes.

It would be interesting to hear which lines of playing Brainstorm are actually considered skillful and which are not - because a trained monkey could draw 3 to find exactly the answer it needed.

[Shawon]

Enough has been written about it. I'd expect anyone listening to have a familiarity with the best spell in the format. I don't even want to talk about why it meets ban criteria with respect to what is currently banned as that horse is dead, beaten, roasted, and made into BBQ sandwiches. The argument is long since won.

[MoxBropal]

I think hearing you guys brew on the cast would be awesome. Maybe poll the listeners for a card to break or build around, and then just go for it on the air.

[saspook]

Count me out for the Brainstorm episode. That's been hammered to death.

count me out from listening to any episode without this guy ^^^^. If he thinks it is a bad idea, it is, don't do it.

[sdematt]

There's a cast coming down the pipe sooner rather than later.

We also did a brew live during an earlier cast with Esperblade, but I guess we could always do another one.

-Matt

[Koby]

count me out from listening to any episode without this guy ^^^^. If he thinks it is a bad idea, it is, don't do it.

I usually just refer to Ari Lax about when to play Brainstorm:


Brainstorm is only useful in certain situations? Brainstorm is useful when you hand is not the stone cold nutter butter blade Ranchington Q. Farnsworth Esquire best. When Brainstorm is "dead", the game is already over.

There. All we need to know about Brainstorm.

[JACO]

What I want is a couple of companion articles that could refer to the podcasts about brewing technology, from the esteemed Sean O'Brien, Sam Craven, Matty of the North, and the like. I want to see their techonological recommendations in deck building action, with quick 'In the Lab' segments on EC. BAOM!

[Acclimation]

How about a 60 minute angry nerd rage festival filled with all sorts of hate for things?

Make it over the top ridiculous satire with hidden bits of actual advice and criticism.

Or, for a serious suggestion, how being Greedy/Fearless can make you a better player, and how to do so with various decks? Or something in that vein.

[thecrav]

How about a 60 minute angry nerd rage festival filled with all sorts of hate for things?

Make it over the top ridiculous satire with hidden bits of actual advice and criticism.

We did this on a live cast, but since we'd never done live, I failed to record it :(

It will almost certainly occur again, though!

[nedleeds]

We should have a solid 1-2 hours of unedited rant somewhere on the cutting room floor. The guy who cries about profanity on the facepage would love that one.

[ween]

I failed to record it :(


Nuuuuu! I was really looking forward to that one.

Ah well, i stopped in briefly.

Looking forward to the next episode, work commutes suck so far this year.

[ironclad8690]

Nuuuuu! I was really looking forward to that one.

Ah well, i stopped in briefly.

Looking forward to the next episode, work commutes suck so far this year.

Yes, nothing to listen to on the way to work. Need more podcast!

[mini1337s]

If you guys are still taking requests, talk about Magic 94; How eternal can you get?!

[aahz]

If you guys are still taking requests, talk about Magic 94; How eternal can you get?!
+1

Also, get Carsten back on to talk Vintage with Nedleeds and Koby (and whomever else is into Vintage).

Finally, as noted by someone else in another thread, keep Julian as part of the regular team.

[GoblinZ]

+1 too

Talking about vintage is even interesting to those who don't have the chance to play vintage.

Another topic which may be interesting in my humble opinion is talking history or old stories about legacy, vintage or magic in general.

[nedleeds]

If you guys are still taking requests, talk about Magic 94; How eternal can you get?!

It's a little more eternal if you just play with the restricted list and sets of the time instead of being a bunch of pussies and restricting Strip Mine, Mana Drain and Black Vise.

[bakofried]

How about an episode where you take a card that's underused and brew a deck from the ground up? Or take an archetype that hasn't seen a good performance lately and examine why?

You could always do another episode on community building; we've got our first real Legacy tournament coming up, but some guys are worried about how to wean people off of proxies over time (we're at 20 now). It's not an immediate concern, but we don't want to have 20 proxy tournaments indefinitely.

Also, someone in my shoes has the stuff to build Maverick in just about every iteration - but that's it. I don't have enough spare duals to matter, I don't have stuff that'd be used outside of Maverick. That said, what's a cheap, solid deck to build that I can lend out -and- fill my staples out a little better? Tall order I know, but a discussion of such decks would be really helpful.

I really like Michael Shimoji's articles on Eternal Central. Maybe have him on as a guest? He could offer insights on the Japanese metagame as well.

[Megadeus]

Jon on here has been playing a White Weenie deck and has had decent results.

[mini1337s]

It's a little more eternal if you just play with the restricted list and sets of the time instead of being a bunch of pussies and restricting Strip Mine, Mana Drain and Black Vise.
I agree that Mana Drain is pussy ban. Our "house" rule in Nova Scotia is that we play with modern rules + mana burn, which makes cards like Mana Drain and Su-Chi potential fireblasts to the face. Personally, I think restricting Mishra's Workshop is a pussy move too, as the majority of removal in the format deals with creatures and artifacts. Yes, T1 Juggernaut can be a beating, but it can also suck a Chain Lightning or a Swords too.

I think Drain and Workshop can easily come off with the inclusion of Mana burn. Fork is breakable, if someone wants to play Fork recursion, so be it, but it's not going to dominate the format by any means. Same thing with Power Artifact.

Strip Mine and Black Vise just feel bad, and I don't think people want to play the format to remember mana screw. Nothing is worse than an opponent consistently going T1 Mox into Vise, Strip your land, and repeating that sequence. That said, it would be pretty hilarious to play multiple Vises and Ancestral your opponent lol.

[Teluin]

If you guys are still taking requests, talk about Magic 94; How eternal can you get?!

+1

I prefer 93/94 when it allows all cards printed in those years (aka Revised and Fallen Empires) - tends to get more people. I think it'd be neat to talk about the format with and without those sets.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

An episode centered around the proper way to disrespect your opponent

[mini1337s]

+1

I prefer 93/94 when it allows all cards printed in those years (aka Revised and Fallen Empires) - tends to get more people. I think it'd be neat to talk about the format with and without those sets.
Revised is pretty necessary as most don't have access to ABU duals. Plus, adding Revised really makes it more representative of what it was back in the day, as that's generally what people had access too. I don't bat an eye at people playing Chronicles, but if you can afford to play 93/94, you can afford to buy Arabian Nights Cities and Efreets and Dark Blood Moons.
In terms of what Fallen Empires adds, it's nothing too crazy, just pump Knights, Hymn, and Icatian Knights really. The two mono-colored strategies get a bit of a boost, but it's really not that dramatically different without it. Plus, Mono-Black really only has room for Hymn if anything with Hippie, Martin Lawrence, Sengir, and Juzam filling enough creature slots.

[nedleeds]

If you are restricting Vise then Hymn is pretty appealing. If you have Hymn and are still restricting Strip Mine I think Vise is fine. It's an awful top deck in a format without Brainstorm, it's helps against Land Tax which is insane. You can recurse them back into 7 with Wheel and Twister but those cards are supposed to be powerful.

Strip Mine in 94 isn't much different than Wasteland in Legacy. Why does anyone play basic Island in 3 color legacy decks or in vintage? Why? Wasteland. Blood Moon / BtB is a far far far second. Vise was also alongside different mulligan rules. You also don't draw on the play anymore getting an extra ~3% to draw a vise on the play.

I'd like to play with the Vise because it's an integral part of balancing the format back then, Vise was the foil for control decks who had access to by far the most powerful spells in magic. Without Vise and Strip Mine control decks are very very strong.

Eudomonia recently ran a modified old school tourney

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=46375.0

[mini1337s]

If you are restricting Vise then Hymn is pretty appealing. If you have Hymn and are still restricting Strip Mine I think Vise is fine. It's an awful top deck in a format without Brainstorm, it's helps against Land Tax which is insane. You can recurse them back into 7 with Wheel and Twister but those cards are supposed to be powerful.

Strip Mine in 94 isn't much different than Wasteland in Legacy. Why does anyone play basic Island in 3 color legacy decks or in vintage? Why? Wasteland. Blood Moon / BtB is a far far far second. Vise was also alongside different mulligan rules. You also don't draw on the play anymore getting an extra ~3% to draw a vise on the play.

I'd like to play with the Vise because it's an integral part of balancing the format back then, Vise was the foil for control decks who had access to by far the most powerful spells in magic. Without Vise and Strip Mine control decks are very very strong.

Eudomonia recently ran a modified old school tourney

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=46375.0

I think you've swayed my opinion on Strip Mine. In reality, getting stripped feels as bad as it does as the format allows players to run the greediest manabases ever. 4 Strip would give mono/dual-colored strategies a lot more game versus 5 color good stuff, which tends to be the strongest deck in the current format.

Still on the fence with Black Vise, but I can appreciate your argument and your experience. I would think that unrestricting either Vise or Strip Mine would be the best way to start and see how the format adapts.

What do you think about this list of unrestrictions:
- Strip Mine
- Mishra's Workshop
- Mana Drain
- Fork
- Power Artifact
+ the inclusion of Mana burn?

[Higgs]

When's the new podcast coming? There's a lot you guys can talk about nowadays.

Effect of new Conspiracy cards in Legacy and Vintage, eternal reprints in Conspiracy, Vintage Masters - economy of the set, economy of drafting, popularity etc. etc. The pimp face-off and blasphemy of foils!?!?

[sdematt]

When's the new podcast coming? There's a lot you guys can talk about nowadays.

Effect of new Conspiracy cards in Legacy and Vintage, eternal reprints in Conspiracy, Vintage Masters - economy of the set, economy of drafting, popularity etc. etc. The pimp face-off and blasphemy of foils!?!?

There are two podcasts in the pipe that are being edited. Part of the delay also comes from some downtime between us sending it off and Jaco actually posting it.

As for the foil thing, you guys need to know trolling when you see it ;)

-Matt

[Teluin]

bump for 93/94!

[aahz]

bump for 93/94!

+1
Also, there is no such thing as too much Vintage (unless it consists of repeatedly losing the die roll vs. Shops).

[thecrav]

Also, there is no such thing as too much Vintage (unless it consists of repeatedly losing the die roll vs. Shops).

Did that a bunch last Friday when testing a new brew. Was doubly sad to have the combination of immediately being locked out and not being able to really test the deck

re:94/95, it sounds cool, but at least in my case, I'm unlikely to ever get a chance to play it :/

[warfordium]

An episode centered around the proper way to disrespect your opponent

My request is that you never, ever do a topic like this.

[Phelix]

Teaming up:

The value of teams and comraderie.

how to find out what to test
how to test
travelling w. teams
datamining events/matchups (who plays what)

the value of community and stories, loads of stories! (drinking, magic, food, etc)

horror stories (who messed up and got expelled from you team/known teams and why)

[Megadeus]

Talk about Tusk

[Koby]

Teaming up:

The value of teams and comraderie.

how to find out what to test
how to test
travelling w. teams
datamining events/matchups (who plays what)

the value of community and stories, loads of stories! (drinking, magic, food, etc)

horror stories (who messed up and got expelled from you team/known teams and why)

You will like the next episode then, we covered:
"How to test" - eh briefly but at least brought up how to properly test "Play more Magic" - sdematt.
"Datamining events" - also touched up on this briefly, and the value of T8 or T16 or winners, etc.

[mini1337s]

Type 1 Dega plz

[ComefromtheZoo]

93/94 please