Sleeves and reversed card

[Valtrix]

I was proxying a card yesterday in my deck, and to do so I took one of my cards and then flipped it so that the back was the part showing in the sleeve. Now I was curious, say that I took this deck to an event and for whatever reason left this card with the back showing in the sleeve by accident. If I draw this card and realize my mistake, am I allowed to simply flip the card in its sleeve and play the card as what it is, or do I get some kind of penalty for presenting an illegal deck or some similar infraction?

[Technics]

I was proxying a card yesterday in my deck, and to do so I took one of my cards and then flipped it so that the back was the part showing in the sleeve. Now I was curious, say that I took this deck to an event and for whatever reason left this card with the back showing in the sleeve by accident. If I draw this card and realize my mistake, am I allowed to simply flip the card in its sleeve and play the card as what it is, or do I get some kind of penalty for presenting an illegal deck or some similar infraction?

If your card sleeves are not 100% opaque, then it would be a game loss, and possible cheating depending on what the judge thinks (intentional or not). Same as having a flip card (delver) with none opaque sleeves.

Best bet is to just play with 100% opaque sleeves.

[Valtrix]

I thought it was assumed here that the sleeves were not see through, otherwise the answer is very clear (to me at least). Otherwise there isn't really much point about the sleeves condition.

[Quasim0ff]

This is pretty obviously deck req fail, which would give you a game loss… :)

[Technics]

I thought it was assumed here that the sleeves were not see through, otherwise the answer is very clear (to me at least). Otherwise there isn't really much point about the sleeves condition.

If that was the case, you would flip it, and the judge might do a deck check to make sure you have a legal deck but otherwise no error. (same as a flipped delver).

[JPoJohnson]

This is pretty obviously deck req fail, which would give you a game loss… :)

I have no idea how it is pretty obviously that if the sleeves are opaque and the card is actually the proper card (as was stated in the OP). I think this would simply be the same situation as a non-flipped delver.

[Quasim0ff]

I have no idea how it is pretty obviously that if the sleeves are opaque and the card is actually the proper card (as was stated in the OP). I think this would simply be the same situation as a non-flipped delver.

That's not the case. He proxied a card, that's not identical :) a backed card and a flipped delver aren't the same, as delver is double-sided.


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[Valtrix]

So there seems to be disagreement. If my sleeves are not see through, do I simply flip my card in its sleeve and play the game with the card as what it is, or do I get some kind of penalty? (Since there would clearly be a penalty if you could see the backs of my cards and one was the wrong way.)

[Dice_Box]

I see no issue. You can gain zero benefit from the card being the way it is. You flip it and be done with it. If you can not see the card, and your not Proxying anything in the game, as long as the card in the sleeve is the one advertised than no issue.

Personally, I unsleave my cards at the table a ton. The way I shuffle kills my Dragon Shield selves (just don't ask) so I pull out the card, take out a fresh sleeve and re-sleeve the card.

[Quasim0ff]

If it's the same card, sure, no problem.

In the other case, depends on REL.

[SpikeyMikey]

If the backwards card is registered on your sheet as the actual card, I'm going to have you turn it around and continue playing. Note that I would suggest that you do it under table level to avoid giving away information. There is no potential for advantage here, and when possible, it is the goal of the judge program to have games of Magic decided by playing Magic. A game loss in this case serves no purpose.

[cdr]

There is no potential for advantage here, and when possible, it is the goal of the judge program to have games of Magic decided by playing Magic. A game loss in this case serves no purpose.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I hope you mean you're assuming Regular REL. If you are, you should say so to avoid confusion.

If it's a Regular REL tournament without decklists, it's judge's discretion - the judge should generally allow you to replace the backwards card with the intended card and continue play. There are only game losses in Regular for sustained undesirable behavior after being told not to do something.

If it's Competitive REL, decklists are in use and the IPG is in force.
If the card is what's marked on the decklist (very unlikely), no infraction, turn it around and continue play.
If it's not the card marked on the decklist, per the IPG it's a Game Loss - though also per the IPG Deck/Decklist infractions are downgraded to Warning if you discover the issue when drawing your opening hand and call the judge on yourself. The deck will be fixed to match the list if the correct cards can be found, or if not and the deck now has too few cards to be legal, replaced with basic land.

(Generally the list is changed to match the deck in constructed when there's a mismatch, but for missing cards the missing cards are replaced per the decklist.)

[SpikeyMikey]

That's why I said if the backwards card is the card registered on the sheet. Sorry if I wasn't clear. If it's not, then it's a clear deck/decklist mismatch. I was mostly responding to Quasi; it's only a D/DL if the card is not registered on the sheet. The fact that it was backwards doesn't constitute a penalty.