Bogle - the legend returns.

[monovfox]

Alright, so I think it's time we get back to business with this deck. It's waiting, and now is its time. Has basically no bad matchups besides combo.

BUT FUCK COMBO! WHO NEEDS COMBO WHEN YOU HAVE A SLIPPERY BOGLE GAINING YOU LIFE AND SHIT?


Here is the list I have:

4 Slippery Bogle
3 Gladecover Scout
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Noble Hierarch
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Rancor
4 Spirit Mantle
4 Daybreak Coronet
4 Hyena Umbra
2 Savannah
3 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
1 Forest
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Razorverge Thicket
2 Dismember
1 Sylvan Library
1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 3 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Nevermore
SB: 2 Dismember


running dismember, because wasteland is a house, and having your opponent gain life is not good in this deck.

[Darkenslight]

You could conceivably run Path to Exile in the place of Dismember in certain metas (heavy-Delver tempo, for example). In addition, I see no protection for your enchantments, so Greater Auramancy might be necessary.

[syfilisx]

Greater Auramancy grants shroud to enchanted creatures and so destroys your own gameplan of stacking Boggle with pants

[monovfox]

You could conceivably run Path to Exile in the place of Dismember in certain metas (heavy-Delver tempo, for example). In addition, I see no protection for your enchantments, so Greater Auramancy might be necessary.

I have considered running a 1-of Argothian enchantress. The deck could probably function more like enchantress, more basic lands, more mana-fixing enchantments, to make the Ethereal Armors that much more ridiculous.

[Mr. Froggy]

Alright, so I think it's time we get back to business with this deck. It's waiting, and now is its time. Has basically no bad matchups besides combo.

BUT FUCK COMBO! WHO NEEDS COMBO WHEN YOU HAVE A SLIPPERY BOGLE GAINING YOU LIFE AND SHIT?


Here is the list I have:

4 Slippery Bogle
3 Gladecover Scout
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Noble Hierarch
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Rancor
4 Spirit Mantle
4 Daybreak Coronet
4 Hyena Umbra
2 Savannah
3 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
1 Forest
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Razorverge Thicket
2 Dismember
1 Sylvan Library
1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 3 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Nevermore
SB: 2 Dismember


running dismember, because wasteland is a house, and having your opponent gain life is not good in this deck.

I ran into this deck on MTGO, was kinda cool.

[(nameless one)]

How do you fight Edict effects?

Hyena Umbra is cool but you only have 4 to draw into.

[danyul]

Fetching into Dryad Arbor is one way.

[Zupponn]

Riding the Dilu Horse?

[monovfox]

Riding the Dilu Horse?

Too much mana, and our good friend spirit mantle does the same thing.

[Will_L]

Why 1 Razorgorge Thicket? I would max out Savannahs before using the scars lands

This also doesn't seem like a great time be playing this deck considering how much play Golgari Charm and Toxic Deluge are seeing in SBs. Don't you think Team America, Shardless BUG and Jund (or any B/G/x homebrew) would wreck this g2/g3 with their hand hate and, like, 6 sideboarded -1/-1 spells?

You have 7 hexproof threats plus 4 GSZ. Has this been enough fighting against countermagic and hand hate? I have never played a deck like this but I feel like if they counter/discard 2+ of your hexproof dudes or zeniths then you really have your back up against the wall

Are there any advantages, besides speed (which as a real advantage), to voltroning stuff like Gladecover Scout and Slippery Bogle over the more powerful TNN and Geist of St. Traft?

[monovfox]

Why 1 Razorgorge Thicket? I would max out Savannahs before using the scars lands

This also doesn't seem like a great time be playing this deck considering how much play Golgari Charm and Toxic Deluge are seeing in SBs. Don't you think Team America, Shardless BUG and Jund (or any B/G/x homebrew) would wreck this g2/g3 with their hand hate and, like, 6 sideboarded -1/-1 spells?

You have 7 hexproof threats plus 4 GSZ. Has this been enough fighting against countermagic and hand hate? I have never played a deck like this but I feel like if they counter/discard 2+ of your hexproof dudes or zeniths then you really have your back up against the wall

Your're completey right, but that's also how the modern deck functions.

Also, maybe blood moon would just wreck everything so we don't have to care about hate? Seems like a good idea?

[Will_L]

Your're completey right, but that's also how the modern deck functions.

Also, maybe blood moon would just wreck everything so we don't have to care about hate? Seems like a good idea?

Why does it matter if the modern deck works this way or not? I don't see how that is relevant here, to be honest. I also don't really get your Blood Moon point... Are you comparing Blood Moon to -1/-1 TNN hate cards? I think TNN hate is more ubiquitous than Blood Moons right now if that's the comparison you're making. That's why I brought it up in the first place. The legacy metagame at large seems hostile to decks that are so dependant on x/1 dudes at the moment.

Is the Razorgorge Thicket a card availability thing? If so that's cool, I just wondered if it was some secret tech or if I was missing something

I'm just asking you to explain a little about the deck. Hopefully in doing this we can make it better

[monovfox]

Yeah, razorverge is an availability thing. Don't own 3rd horizon canopy or savannah, and don't feel the need to own either :P

I am suggesting we run blood moon, because all of the BGX decks fold to it, and it makes it very hard for esperblade players to get black mana for their hate (this also applies to BGX players looking for their hate)

[somethingdotdotdot]

Blood moon in a 3 color deck w/ 2 basics seems super suboptimal. Especially as a way to fight bg decks which will have 6-7 ways to kill moon in response (4 decay, 2-3 golgari charms) while also wrecking your small dudes plan (taking you off your mana dorks) with charms and deluges.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I'd stay true to the main plan, land a small bad dude and turn it into big bad dude asap.
Absolutely no Blood Moons.

[monovfox]

Alright, updated list.


4 Slippery Bogle
3 Gladecover Scout
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Rancor
4 Spirit Mantle
4 Daybreak Coronet
2 Hyena Umbra
2 Savannah
3 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
1 Forest
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Razorverge Thicket
2 Dismember
2 Sylvan Library
2 Armadillo Cloak
1 Argothian Enchantress
2 Ground Seal
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Nevermore
SB: 1 Dismember
SB: 2 Humility



I totally forgot ground seal was a card, and I really like cloak in here, especially because the lifelink stacks.

Part of my thinks Daybreak coronet is subpar in legacy. But I don't know. Thoughts there?

also, It think this deck wants 3-4 sylvan library. It's a deck that requires a ridiculous amount of gas, and library is basically a free ponder that is also an enchantment.



Not all that relevant, but this just happened.


http://i.imgur.com/dpRd5Dgl.jpg

[Barbed Blightning]

Alright, updated list.


4 Slippery Bogle
3 Gladecover Scout
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Rancor
4 Spirit Mantle
4 Daybreak Coronet
2 Hyena Umbra
2 Savannah
3 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
1 Forest
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Razorverge Thicket
2 Dismember
2 Sylvan Library
2 Armadillo Cloak
1 Argothian Enchantress
2 Ground Seal
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Nevermore
SB: 1 Dismember
SB: 2 Humility



I totally forgot ground seal was a card, and I really like cloak in here, especially because the lifelink stacks.

Part of my thinks Daybreak coronet is subpar in legacy. But I don't know. Thoughts there?

also, It think this deck wants 3-4 sylvan library. It's a deck that requires a ridiculous amount of gas, and library is basically a free ponder that is also an enchantment.



Not all that relevant, but this just happened.


http://i.imgur.com/dpRd5Dgl.jpg

Wouldn't he just block with 4, go to 1 and win on the back swing?

Sent from my mobile phone; please ignore spelling errors or grammatical laziness.

[ironclad8690]

Wouldn't he just block with 4, go to 1 and win on the back swing?

Sent from my mobile phone; please ignore spelling errors or grammatical laziness.

spirit mantle gives pro creatures

[MGB]

No bad matchups except combo?

And maybe any deck that plays sweepers and/or edict effects...

[Worldslayer]

If you're having trouble with the primarily black sweepers and edicts that have cropped up to fight TNN in your g/x enchantments-matter deck, can I suggest Lifeforce on the board? Narrow as all hell, but when you got a special kind of nail...

[RainbowPenguin]

Have you considered making this a bant deck? Since you want a rather specific combination of cards, cantrips would be very good here. You could go for a kind of bant tempo setup similar to the delver decks, with wasteland and maybe stifle to keep opponents from getting to Supreme verdict, and using daze/spell pierce/maybe force for the cheaper answers they might have. That would also help your combo matchup a lot.

[monovfox]

No bad matchups except combo?

And maybe any deck that plays sweepers and/or edict effects...

Umbra deals with sweepers and damage-based sweepers. Also, dryad arbor and GSZ are in here for a reason. Edict effects and ramp. If your arbor dies, you could always bring up a cc 1 creatur


Have you considered making this a bant deck? Since you want a rather specific combination of cards, cantrips would be very good here. You could go for a kind of bant tempo setup similar to the delver decks, with wasteland and maybe stifle to keep opponents from getting to Supreme verdict, and using daze/spell pierce/maybe force for the cheaper answers they might have. That would also help your combo matchup a lot.

That seems like a different deck.

@lifeforce, I'll try it out. Seems good against storm combo as well.

[MGB]

Umbra deals with sweepers and damage-based sweepers. Also, dryad arbor and GSZ are in here for a reason. Edict effects and ramp. If your arbor dies, you could always bring up a cc 1 creatur


You can't just jam 4 copies of a single card and say "that solves the problem!"

The fundamental problem with teams that rely on Enchant Creature buffs is that they get blown out frequently by something as simple as Terminus -> sweep board of 3 permanents or Liliana -> sac your enchanted guy and gain +2 card advantage.

There's a reason that the only creature buffs that really work in Legacy are equipments... they don't open you up to 2-for-1s or worse.

[monovfox]

You're under the assumption that everyone runs terminus/liliana. Spider umbra really does help against board whipes. I also have access to gaddock teeg and dryad arbor to deal with these threats. These are by no means a surefire answer, but they go a long way

[Poron]

2 Argothian Enchantress
3 Shimmering Wings

U: Draw a card. Sorcery speed.

anyway just those 4 Protection from creatures are way too few. An early Goyf (so rare..) chump blocks our cuties all day and night. It has to connect every turn

Gaddock Teeg against Sweepers

[monovfox]

2 Argothian Enchantress
3 Shimmering Wings

U: Draw a card. Sorcery speed.

anyway just those 4 Protection from creatures are way too few. An early Goyf (so rare..) chump blocks our cuties all day and night. It has to connect every turn

Gaddock Teeg against Sweepers

Now that is interesting. I guess I could pull the rancor maybe? I have 3 sylvan library that are pretty good at drawing cards.

[Poron]

Now that is interesting. I guess I could pull the rancor maybe? I have 3 sylvan library that are pretty good at drawing cards.

-3 Sylvan Library
+3 Argothian Enchantress

can't be Spell Pierced, doesn't die to targeted removal, can be tutored and provide more card advantage...

Shimmering wings is another cool tool..if you want to stay in colors.. Whip Silk

sure it dies to Golgari Charm and Toxic Deluge..but your deck is already cold to Bug/Jund

[monovfox]

for reference, here is the current list:

4 Slippery Bogle
3 Gladecover Scout
1 Gaddock Teeg
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Rancor
4 Spirit Mantle
3 Daybreak Coronet
2 Savannah
3 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
1 Forest
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Razorverge Thicket
2 Dismember
3 Sylvan Library
2 Armadillo Cloak
2 Argothian Enchantress
2 Ground Seal
2 Spider Umbra
SB: 3 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Dismember
SB: 2 Humility
SB: 2 Spider Umbra


The enchantresses are really just to pull ahead. They work very well with sylvan library, because you can start stacking enchantments on top of your library allowing you to chain enchantments. You basically never have a dead draw if that point is reached.

[Poron]

scarabs also...

Green Scarab's the best, I'd say

also, I can't see why not Silhana Ledgewalker 1x to tutor.

It is Bogle + Shimmering Wings all in 1

[trollking21]

Have you considered adding blue and playing TNN as he is (effectively) hexproof beater.

[Poron]

3cc in this deck is rather big.. same reason I don't see well equipments (what else reason not to run Equipments in a deck like this?)

Turn 1 Bogle,
turn 2 2x: Green Scarab/Rancor/Unstable Mutation/Ethereal Armor (-4/-5)
turn 3 Daybreak Coronet/Rancor/Unstable Mutation/Etheral Armor + Berserk ---> GG

3cc is way too much.. sure CotV@1 is almost gg for them.

Just for fun

Argothian Enchantress + Auratog + Rancor = G: Draw a card, Auratog gets +2/+2 until EOT