View Full Version : How good is Undercity Breakfast in Legacy?
The Big Ragu
01-14-2014, 03:47 PM
I've searched this site over, and I can't find any references to the combo. In case you don't know what it is/how it works, you basically mill yourself in 0 land deck using either Undercity Informer or Balustrade Spy, then sac 3 narcomoebas to Dread Return an Angel of Glory's Rise putting both Azami and Laboratory Maniac into play. You then tap one of your wizards and win. The deck also has the added benefit of transforming itself into a subpar Belcher deck via sideboard.
The deck seems really fast and consistent, albeit fairly easy to disrupt. It seems like something that could potentially see some fringe play, but I haven't found much information as to exactly how viable it is.
DarkJester
01-14-2014, 03:53 PM
I've searched this site over, and I can't find any references to the combo. In case you don't know what it is/how it works, you basically mill yourself in 0 land deck using either Undercity Informer or Balustrade Spy, then sac 3 narcomoebas to Dread Return an Angel of Glory's Rise putting both Azami and Laboratory Maniac into play. You then tap one of your wizards and win. The deck also has the added benefit of transforming itself into a subpar Belcher deck via sideboard.
The deck seems really fast and consistent, albeit fairly easy to disrupt. It seems like something that could potentially see some fringe play, but I haven't found much information as to exactly how viable it is.
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?25386-The-Rogue-Hermit
Look, what I found for you. The deck is called Rogue Hermit because of the banned Hermit Druid and his similar effect of self-milling ;)
There's a thread called Rogue Hermit just a few below this one. You'll find 26 pages of discussion about it there.
clavio
01-14-2014, 03:56 PM
It's bad. If a deck like that ever got good they would ban it.
GoboLord
01-14-2014, 04:01 PM
It's definitely more consistent and reliable than Belcher, with a higher rate of T1 kills (my last list had something around 60%, in 5000 simulated games). However the deck basically can't win against graveyard hate (even an active Deathrite SHaman seals the deal) and is just as suspectible to countermagic as are other glass-cannon combodecks.
Final Fortune
01-18-2014, 04:11 AM
It's definitely more consistent and reliable than Belcher, with a higher rate of T1 kills (my last list had something around 60%, in 5000 simulated games). However the deck basically can't win against graveyard hate (even an active Deathrite SHaman seals the deal) and is just as suspectible to countermagic as are other glass-cannon combodecks.
It's a matter of degree, I'm not certain that Hermit's weakness to graveyard removal is any worse than Belcher's weakness to Golgari Charm and co., because at least with Deathrite Shaman you get one, maybe two turns to go off due to summoning sickness and Chancellor of the Annex even if they draw it where a Golgari Charm is always a game over vs a board full of Goblins.
The deck is also a lot stronger vs counter magic, no Goblin kill condition means free cards like Pact of Negation in the MD or SB and it does have 2 to 3 Cabal Therapy as well as any MD/SB combinations of Pact of Negation and Chancellor of the Annex if you're on the play or Pact of Negation and Guttoral Blast if you're on the draw. I really recommend the versions not playing Wish and LED, because what you lose in mulligans you make up for with speed and having cost efficient disruption that doesn't conflict with LED.
It's definitely viable, altho' you'll feel like you're playing Magic: The Mulliganing quite a bit.
The deck was known as "Oops! All Spells" for a while. Is there no thread with that name?
Oldsrocket_27
01-19-2014, 07:52 PM
The deck has different names from different places online where it was simultaneously developed after Spy and Informer got spoiled. "Oops! All Spells" was the name Prosak used for the god-awful list he copy-pasted for his article, but it was a few weeks behind the lists that were around and being tested when his article got published. MTGSalvation messed around with names like "Hobo with a Shotgun" for a while, but I think they eventually switched to the Oops name. On the traditional games subforum of the Something Awful forums, a version called Breakfast Burrito was put together. Here, it's called Rogue Hermit because of the aforementioned similarities to Hermit Druid decks.
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