Best Creature in Legacy

[HammafistRoob]

I personally vote Hammerfist Giant, but perhaps I'm a little biased. Which creature do you think is the best in legacy and why?

[Megadeus]

Can't tell if troll post or not, but if actual post, I'd say Deathrite does a good amount of work. My biased opinion is Sower of Temptation because that mofo is doing awesome work in my Pod deck.

[HammafistRoob]

I like to have a little troll to my posts. The poll is serious though.

[EpicLevelCommoner]

No TNN?

[HammafistRoob]

He's on there.

[Megadeus]

Like pure power lever, Grislebeez or Emily. But Efficiency and power in the legacy format, DRS and SFM are my two picks. Stoneforge is just really really good.

[prateta]

Draw 7 is just... Griselbrand for me.

[J.V.]

Hammerfist Giant is the obvious answer... but, I think Dark Confidant is the best creature ever printed. With that said, I would say Stoneforge Mystic is the best creature in Legacy.

[EpicLevelCommoner]

He's on there.

My bad, was checking through an app on my phone and only showed Hammerfist Giant, Deathrite Shaman, Delver of Secrets and Stoneforge Mystic.

[HammafistRoob]

Bah! This whole thread is flawed, I forgot Chub Toad!¿!

[thecrav]

Can't tell if troll post or not, but if actual post, I'd say Deathrite does a good amount of work.

DRS: Best creature in legacy or third best planeswalker in legacy?

[FTW]

Trollopollopoll

[HammafistRoob]

Haha, 20% of Sourcers can't resist the urge to eat up troll bait. I knew Giant was strong, especially in combination with Wonder, but apparently he's on par with Griselbrand.

[alphastryk]

Creatures are bad.

[Leftconsin]

Bah! This whole thread is flawed, I forgot Chub Toad!¿!

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CHUB TOADZ!

[Purgatory]

Voted Deathrite, because one mana Planeswalker.

Chub Toad sucks, why doesn't he have Bushido 2? He just reminds me that WotC fucked up on Kamigawa, and he reminds me why I hated that block so much. :(

[miguelmatix]

Emrakul and knight of the reliquary should be in the list too.


Voted Tarmogoyf. Elegance and horse.power for two mana.

[HammafistRoob]

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CHUB TOADZ!

You must be one of them there hoarders everyone cries about.... driving the price of Chubs through the roof so nobody can justify picking up a set or two. I applaud your efforts good sir, that's almost as impressive as my 295 Hammerfist Giants.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

You must be one of them there hoarders everyone cries about.... driving the price of Chubs through the roof so nobody can justify picking up a set or two. I applaud your efforts good sir, that's almost as impressive as my 295 Hammerfist Giants.

Bah, these are Chinese fakes...

EDIT: Voted for Goyf. I Like 4/5 bear for :1::g:

[BVB09]

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[Einherjer]

There is only one creature that lets you replay Legacys best spell. Brainstorm.

Greetings

[Mammutti]

Voted Deathrite Shaman because it is a threat, it accelerates AND its defensive capabilities are strong... Seriously, why does it have 2 toughness? And sure, it costs only one mana. However, no love for Vendilion Clique?

[PirateKing]

There is only one creature that lets you replay Legacys best spell. Brainstorm.

Greetings

But there is only one creature that lets you draw 7 Brainstorms. Eh? Eehhhhh?

[Plague Sliver]

There is only one creature that lets you replay Legacys best spell. Brainstorm.

Greetings

/thread

[Stan]

There is only one creature that lets you replay Legacys best spell. Brainstorm.

Greetings

Would that be Scrivener or Eternal Witness? :cool:

[twndomn]

Most of these creatures allow you to gain some advantages, some of the advantages are cumulative over turns. Except one: the idiotic draw 7 creature allows you to win the game that turn, which is the most ridiculous.

Omitted: Magus of the Moon, this creature wrecks many decks, if resolved.

[Deviruchi]

Xantid Swarm

[joretapo]

Deathrite and tnn and tarmo are the only creatures in the poll that can do their stuff on their own without tuning anything (almost fetchs and wastelands are not going anywhere) in your deck for them.
deathrite being the cheapest and most flexible. Deathrite wins

[FTW]

I personally vote Hammerfist Giant, but perhaps I'm a little biased. Which creature do you think is the best in legacy and why?

Hammerfist + Wonder + Island is terrible. It's all about Flight.

Edit: OR, Hammerfist Giant + 3 Forests + Prismatic Omen + Wonder and Anger and Glory in graveyard!

[HammafistRoob]

OMG Glory is so bad, I'd prefer Filth/Brawn.

I didn't include Emrakul because he's worse than Griselbrand in every deck sans TurboDrazi. I had thought about Vendilion and concluded that Snapcaster is more flexible, although Clique is probably better positioned with Deathrite everywhere. Xantid Swarm slipped my mind, and da beez should probably be there instead of Thalia, my bad there. KnightotR just isn't what it used to be, but it can still destroy some matchups. I just don't think it is in the top 10 right now.

EDIT- Holy crap guize, I just realized that Favor of the Mighty + Hammerfist Giant is basically a hardlock.

[feline]

Was about to vote for Stoneforge Mystic, because tutoring for Jitte or Batterskill already gives you an answer to a lot of stuff, then there's all the swords, so I clicked Stoneforge Mystic and kept reading down the list...

Then I saw Griselbrand, paid 7 life & he took my vote. Griselbrand isn't what I consider a true creature like the others though on the list, so I can see why it's not first, you have to cheat it into play under most circumstances. Though it is still a creature, so it qualifys. Was expecting it to have the most votes.

[Koby]

Hashtag G...

Objective power is objective power. 7 cards > 1 card.

[jimmythegreek]

Goblin lackey. This Gary Coleman look alike still does major, major work.

[DragoFireheart]

The only creature on that list that does being a creature best is Tarmogoyf.

It's cheap, it gets big, and it smashes face. It's a super Grizzly Bear, and that's all I ask for in a creature.

Rest are spells or need tuning.

[death]

Only 4 people understand the format.

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[Bed Decks Palyer]

Griselbrand and it's not close. Anyone who doesn't think so has very likely never had one in play or they don't remember the games where their opponent got one into play.

It doesn' feel like creature, though. :smile:

[PirateKing]

It doesn' feel like creature, though. :smile:

Probably why it's the best creature then...

[JPoJohnson]

I agree that Griselbrand is the best creature in legacy. I can easily see why Delver of Secrets and Deathrite Shaman would be the top of the list however.

[Shawon]

Goblin lackey. This Gary Coleman look alike still does major, major work.

I always thought Goblin Lackey looked like rapper Lil' Wayne, especially when one of his lyrics is: "Ok you're a goon so what's a goon to a GOBLIN?"

[Ozymandias]

I'm really happy for you Tarmogoyf, and I'm gonna let you finish, but Golgari Grave-Troll is one of the best green creatures of all time. Of all time.

[FTW]

I think there's a typo in the poll. 1 of the cards is a Planeswalker, 1 is a mini-Oath of Druids, and 1 is a black enchantment for combo decks.

Oddly, these are beating all the actual creatures.

[Mr. Froggy]

I voted for SFM because I feel what it does, it does it at it's best.

[HammafistRoob]

I think there's a typo in the poll. 1 of the cards is a Planeswalker, 1 is a mini-Oath of Druids, and 1 is a black enchantment for combo decks.

Oddly, these are beating all the actual creatures.

You're a black enchantment.

[joemauer]

No Grim Lavamancer? I mean he can kill half the creatures on this poll by his lonesome, for only one mana!

[Dark Ritual]

Griselbrand not close. ROFL at people thinking DRS > Griselbrand. Wonder what activated ability is better...tap to add 1 mana, gain 2, or ping for 2 or draw 7 cards for 7 life on a 7/7 flying lifelink beater. Yeah. Deathrite shaman, so much better /sarcasm.

[HugSeal]

Griselbrand not close. ROFL at people thinking DRS > Griselbrand. Wonder what activated ability is better...tap to add 1 mana, gain 2, or ping for 2 or draw 7 cards for 7 life on a 7/7 flying lifelink beater. Yeah. Deathrite shaman, so much better /sarcasm.

Yeah totally. I also don't understand people thinking lightning bolt is beter than boulderfall. I mean, 3 damage to ONE creature or player compared to five damage divided as you choose between them. Not even close.

[FTW]

You're a black enchantment.

I thought you'd be happy. Next in line, highest among the actual creatures, is Hammafist

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Everyone that said Deathrite Shaman should be slapped.

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

If I hadn't wasted mine on a joke vote I would've gone with Griselbrand or Delver. Probably Goyf before TNN was printed but TNN has finally neutralized the power of Goyf a bit, although probably all four of those creatures should just be banned because what a stupid format.

[Mr. Froggy]

The thing is, while Griselbrand is powerful, it comes with the casting cost.

If a creature had its ability at 2CMC, it would have NEVER been printed.

The only way to play Griz is cheating him into play, because no deck in legacy will pay 8 mana (4 of it which is BBBB) to cast it.

That's why I didn't vote for him, because while extremely devastating, the fact that he needs cheating to be played made me ignore him on the poll list.

Ignore grammar mistakes and such, I typed all this on my phone.

[DragoFireheart]

It's a good thing you didn't put Show and Tell on there otherwise it would have won Best Creature in Legacy.

[FTW]

I'm surprised Omniscience didn't make the poll. That creature is way better than Emrakul.

[JPoJohnson]

The thing is, while Griselbrand is powerful, it comes with the casting cost.

If a creature had its ability at 2CMC, it would have NEVER been printed.

The only way to play Griz is cheating him into play, because no deck in legacy will pay 8 mana (4 of it which is BBBB) to cast it.

That's why I didn't vote for him, because while extremely devastating, the fact that he needs cheating to be played made me ignore him on the poll list.

Ignore grammar mistakes and such, I typed all this on my phone.

Except Food Chain Griffin (which I guess 'cheats' him into play as well).

How they get into play shouldn't affect how you vote on the poll imo. If they can be put into play somehow, then their effect once they hit the board is what should merit the vote.

[TsumiBand]

JUDGE

I HAVE NO OPPONENT

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If people can piss and moan about Batterskull being Over The Top, I submit that Exalted Angel with Mother of Runes backup is still the flagship of anti-aggro aggro.

[JPoJohnson]

^^ Checkmate ^^

[HammafistRoob]

I thought you'd be happy. Next in line, highest among the actual creatures, is Hammafist

I was just dickin' around trying to squeeze a laugh or two.

TO ALL WHO VOTED- The correct answer, btw, was Stoneforge Mystic.

[Megadeus]

SFM and DRS both are quite powerful. I wouldn't feel bad voting for either.

[Dark Ritual]

The thing is, while Griselbrand is powerful, it comes with the casting cost.

If a creature had its ability at 2CMC, it would have NEVER been printed.

The only way to play Griz is cheating him into play, because no deck in legacy will pay 8 mana (4 of it which is BBBB) to cast it.

That's why I didn't vote for him, because while extremely devastating, the fact that he needs cheating to be played made me ignore him on the poll list.

Ignore grammar mistakes and such, I typed all this on my phone.

Casting cost in the corner is irrelevant by legacy, vintage, and even modern standards. Griselbrand, for all intents and purposes, costs 2, 3, 4, or 5 mana in all those formats. In vintage it's 1G and occasionally 2U. In legacy it's BB, 1BB, 1UB, 2U, or 3RR. In modern it's 1BR, 4R, 1UBR, or even WUBRG apparently.

[catmint]

Griselbrand not close. ROFL at people thinking DRS > Griselbrand. Wonder what activated ability is better...tap to add 1 mana, gain 2, or ping for 2 or draw 7 cards for 7 life on a 7/7 flying lifelink beater. Yeah. Deathrite shaman, so much better /sarcasm.

If it is just about the effect of the card you don't need to vote...It is of course the cost-power relationship that you should vote for. (no sarcasm - I think you really did not get that) :tongue:

Anyway I don't blame you - I voted for the giant because the poll is stupid. Giving the community the option to troll causes crappy data. Also comparing a combo piece (that happens to be creatures) with actual creatures does not make sense. It is like asking "Which is the better sorcery Thoughtseize or Enter the infinite"

[GoblinZ]

I think next time we'd better vote for the most stupid creature in legacy...

[Mr. Froggy]

Casting cost in the corner is irrelevant by legacy, vintage, and even modern standards. Griselbrand, for all intents and purposes, costs 2, 3, 4, or 5 mana in all those formats. In vintage it's 1G and occasionally 2U. In legacy it's BB, 1BB, 1UB, 2U, or 3RR. In modern it's 1BR, 4R, 1UBR, or even WUBRG apparently.

The thing I don't agree with is this; for Griz to cost any of those it needs an enabler, where as the other ones are all damn good on their own.

Saying casting costs in the corner are irrelevant is kind of a double-standard I find. I feel that the cmc of cards is the most important in these formats since its all about efficiency.

[FTW]

I think next time we'd better vote for the most stupid creature in legacy...

Rime Dryad because it was too huge of power creep on Squire

[PirateKing]

The thing I don't agree with is this; for Griz to cost any of those it needs an enabler, where as the other ones are all damn good on their own.

Saying casting costs in the corner are irrelevant is kind of a double-standard I find. I feel that the cmc of cards is the most important in these formats since its all about efficiency.

Damn good on their own covers only Thalia, True-Name, potentially Dark Confidant and maybe Tarmogoyf.

Stoneforge Mystic enables equipment, and without them is worthless.
Snapcaster Mage enables recasting instants and sorceries, and without them is worthless.
Deathrite Shaman enables reuse of cards in the graveyard, and is worthless without it.

If you're going to judge cards in a vacuum, then these are some pretty awful cards.
If you're going to count the creature and the cards they assume to enable, and not include cards that enable the creature, that would be a double standard.

[FTW]

Damn good on their own covers only Thalia, True-Name, potentially Dark Confidant and maybe Tarmogoyf.

True-Name is pretty bad without Islands.

[aluisiocsantos]

DRS alone makes a lot of decks viable.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

JUDGE

I HAVE NO OPPONENT

http://www.mikesutfin.com/project_images/archangel_lead.JPG



Sorry, I was just having a cigarette.

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[FTW]

Tin Fins occasionally hard casts him. BBBB4 isn't out of the question with dark rituals.

It's a good thing 4BB is too much for Storm or SnT to ever get. We should unban Bargain.

[Mr. Froggy]

If it is just about the effect of the card you don't need to vote...It is of course the cost-power relationship that you should vote for. (no sarcasm - I think you really did not get that) :tongue:

Anyway I don't blame you - I voted for the giant because the poll is stupid. Giving the community the option to troll causes crappy data. Also comparing a combo piece (that happens to be creatures) with actual creatures does not make sense. It is like asking "Which is the better sorcery Thoughtseize or Enter the infinite"

That's exactly what I did. Someone understands me! :D

[apple713]

The thing I don't agree with is this; for Griz to cost any of those it needs an enabler, where as the other ones are all damn good on their own.

Saying casting costs in the corner are irrelevant is kind of a double-standard I find. I feel that the cmc of cards is the most important in these formats since its all about efficiency.

DRS with nothing in the grave is just a woodland druid . Its a good thing you have cards to put into your grave like fetch lands, and its probably good that we have enablers to put griselbrand into play and smash your face in while you leech us for 2 and bleed for 7.