BGw Treefolks

[Sardukar]

Hello everybody, i'd like to show you my developmental deck. At first, it was deck for tribal wars, but i want to try upgrade it for playing legacy.


4 Treefolk Harbinger
4 Bosk Banneret
4 Dungrove Elder
4 Dauntless Dourbark
4 Leaf-Crowned Elder
2 Timber Protector
2 Tilling Treefolk
1 Doran, the Siege Tower
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Masked Admirers

2 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Abrupt Decay
2 Chainer's Edict
2 Golgari Charm

1 Murmuring Bosk
1 Savannah
1 Swamp
7 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
4 Bayou


Sideboard

3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Duress
3 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Pithing Needle
3 Drown in Sorrow



Now i'm testing it. if anybody have any ideas, welcome :smile:

[HammafistRoob]

Is Heartwood Storyteller just better than Masked Admirers? You probably want some number of Cavern of Souls in there, and possibly move the 6 discard spells into the main. Golgari Charm and Chainer's Edict seem pretty loose maindeck choices when you have Doran to laugh in the face of True-Name Nemesis. It's also a possibility to test a single, tutorable copy of either Lignify or Nameless Inversion.

There's a Treefolk thread over in the Casual section that has some nice ideas in it.

[Richard Cheese]

I know some things about treefolks, and you should def. check out the casual thread. I don't know that the tribe is ever going to make it out of casual land, but they're so laid back they give zero fucks either way. From your list I would drop Admirers, Tillers, and the Charms/Editcs. Then I would decide how you want to play out, you can go Nic Fit style like I have in the past and ditch Bannerets for Explorers, throw in a couple Deeds and some Cabal Therapies, a couple GSZs, and off you go. Or you go for the Storyteller "Oops, all dudes" plan, which may be better, I haven't personally tried it.

[julegg]

How you play versus combo? Only after sideboard?

[Zupponn]

I was working on a GB deck featuring Dungrove Elder a while back. It had Veteran Explorer, Cabal Therapy, GSZ, and Abrupt Decay amongst other things. You can find it here (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?26942-GB-Elders&highlight=). Maybe there are some ideas in there that you might find useful.

[Sardukar]

How you play versus combo? Only after sideboard?

yes, combo is hardest match for us, that's why we have 6 card of discard in side.

[Sardukar]

I was working on a GB deck featuring Dungrove Elder a while back. It had Veteran Explorer, Cabal Therapy, GSZ, and Abrupt Decay amongst other things. You can find it here (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?26942-GB-Elders&highlight=). Maybe there are some ideas in there that you might find useful.

thx, i saw your topic) you have another idea (maximum amount of lands and fast-growing creatures), this deck is based on synergy of treefolks and shamans. The first problem - speed, and now i'm thinking about include Sakura-Tribe Elder, because it can help for more tempo and it's shaman!

[Sardukar]

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4 Treefolk Harbinger
4 Bosk Banneret
4 Dungrove Elder
4 Dauntless Dourbark
4 Leaf-Crowned Elder
1 Timber Protector
1 Doran, the Siege Tower
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Masked Admirers

2 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Abrupt Decay
2 Chainer's Edict
2 Golgari Charm

1 Murmuring Bosk
1 Savannah
1 Swamp
7 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
4 Bayou


Sideboard

3 Hymn to Tourach
3 Duress
3 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Pithing Needle
3 Drown in Sorrow


i added Sakura-Tribe Elder and this is very good card here - land advantage is cool. Also i decided to include hymn to tourach in sideboard - powerful tool in hard matches and with deathrite we can play it without problem. Today i played small local legacy event:
Esper Deathblade 0-2
Jund 0-2
UWR Delver 2-1.

[Richard Cheese]

How you play versus combo? Only after sideboard?

You just politely thank them for the extra free time before the next round.

[Sardukar]

You just politely thank them for the extra free time before the next round.
:smile: yes, but it's true for many decks without blue or discard in main) after side hymn to tourach can be big problem for combo

[Erdvermampfa]

Seeing that you play Leaf-Crowned Elder as a 4-of, I would like to suggest to add one Woodfall Primus which can be tutored with Harbinger in case Elder is already active.

Besides, those 6 discard spells in your SB won't be enough to succeed against combo because you apply too little pressure and your opponents will recover from that. I advise you to run something more severe like Gaddock Teeg or Canonist in conjunction with 4x Duress to address this matchup.

[Sardukar]

Seeing that you play Leaf-Crowned Elder as a 4-of, I would like to suggest to add one Woodfall Primus which can be tutored with Harbinger in case Elder is already active.

Besides, those 6 discard spells in your SB won't be enough to succeed against combo because you apply too little pressure and your opponents will recover from that. I advise you to run something more severe like Gaddock Teeg or Canonist in conjunction with 4x Duress to address this matchup.

yes, primus is very good in some situations (for example, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale) . i think i'll test it, thx! about canonist/gaddock teeg - not sure that they better than discard against combo and others hard matches

[SpeedOfDark]

Hi, cool deck! Love me some Treefolk tribal.

First of all, if you are interested in seeing someone else's list, this is what I took to a modern FNM recently:
http://deckbox.org/sets/574488

I had decent success with it, and it has a lot of similarities with your own list.

Few comments on your list(s):

1. Why not play 4 murmuring bosk? It's subtype forest, it can be fetched, it can be tutored by harbinger, and it will not come into play tapped 99.99% of the time. This land is bonkers in treefolk. If you don't consider wastelands (which you probably shouldn't, since you're already playing non-basics), it's almost a strict upgrade to a basic forest in this deck.

2. Noteworthy toolbox one-ofs with harbinger: lignify and wickerbough elder. These are decent sideboard options and are even maindeckable. Wickerbough gains value against stoneforge packages and lignify is just a nice tutor target to have.

3. I'd play more doran, that card is a beating. You have a decent chance to play it on turn 2, and often if you play it later it gives your team an overpowered anthem effect (especially noticeable on your harbingers and bannerets)

4. Not a big fan of tilling treefolk, but it seems like you removed him already. Although I like the card Masked Admirers, its just way too slow for legacy. I don't think primus is a good idea either, because it feels like awkward win-more. If you have a leaf-crowned active and your opponent can't find an answer to it, how likely is it that you are losing? In most games, leaf-crowned elder will do one of three things: be completely irrelevant, eat a counterspell or removal immediately, or win the grind war. He does not need more build-around to do his job.

5. Sakura tribe elder seems okayish, but I feel like we can probably do better. I get why you would consider him though, he does have decent synergy with the deck.

6. I recommend playing 4 green sun's zenith and 1 dryad arbor. This will help smooth the deck and give you more sideboard options (gaddock teeg and qasali pridemage being the prime candidates).

7. If you played in a tournament with the deck, you probably already know this... but 6 discard spells will rarely beat combo :P Also not a big fan of the drown in sorrow, unless you have a very specific reason to be playing it. If you found drown and sorrow useful, I'd rather more golgari charm, abrupt decay or engineered plague, depending on what you are targeting... otherwise, probably just wanna jam more combo hate or something.

Best of luck with your deck! :D

[Sardukar]

Hi, cool deck! Love me some Treefolk tribal.

First of all, if you are interested in seeing someone else's list, this is what I took to a modern FNM recently:
http://deckbox.org/sets/574488

I had decent success with it, and it has a lot of similarities with your own list.

Few comments on your list(s):

1. Why not play 4 murmuring bosk? It's subtype forest, it can be fetched, it can be tutored by harbinger, and it will not come into play tapped 99.99% of the time. This land is bonkers in treefolk. If you don't consider wastelands (which you probably shouldn't, since you're already playing non-basics), it's almost a strict upgrade to a basic forest in this deck.

2. Noteworthy toolbox one-ofs with harbinger: lignify and wickerbough elder. These are decent sideboard options and are even maindeckable. Wickerbough gains value against stoneforge packages and lignify is just a nice tutor target to have.

3. I'd play more doran, that card is a beating. You have a decent chance to play it on turn 2, and often if you play it later it gives your team an overpowered anthem effect (especially noticeable on your harbingers and bannerets)

4. Not a big fan of tilling treefolk, but it seems like you removed him already. Although I like the card Masked Admirers, its just way too slow for legacy. I don't think primus is a good idea either, because it feels like awkward win-more. If you have a leaf-crowned active and your opponent can't find an answer to it, how likely is it that you are losing? In most games, leaf-crowned elder will do one of three things: be completely irrelevant, eat a counterspell or removal immediately, or win the grind war. He does not need more build-around to do his job.

5. Sakura tribe elder seems okayish, but I feel like we can probably do better. I get why you would consider him though, he does have decent synergy with the deck.

6. I recommend playing 4 green sun's zenith and 1 dryad arbor. This will help smooth the deck and give you more sideboard options (gaddock teeg and qasali pridemage being the prime candidates).

7. If you played in a tournament with the deck, you probably already know this... but 6 discard spells will rarely beat combo :P Also not a big fan of the drown in sorrow, unless you have a very specific reason to be playing it. If you found drown and sorrow useful, I'd rather more golgari charm, abrupt decay or engineered plague, depending on what you are targeting... otherwise, probably just wanna jam more combo hate or something.

Best of luck with your deck! :D

hi, thx for your big comment-). your deck is good, i like it. one question - Battlewand Oak is really good? without forest or treefolk in hand it's just 1/3 for 3..

1.yes, bosk is one more target for wasteland, in legacy it's a very big problem that's why i play in 8 basic, duals are better than bosk
2.good cards, but not in legacy. lignify dont solve biggest problems, and decay better than wickerbought
3.doran is legendary, i dont wanna see 2 or 3 of it in hand. white color is just additional in my deck and doran is just option for harbinger (one of reason is wasteland again)
4.admirers is slow and can't be tutored, in this slot now i play primus. From my last tests, Primus is must-have for us! for example, it is one way for destroying Batterskull (very popular in legacy now). also it is important to be able destroy some lands in legacy (The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Maze of Ith)
5.Sakura is awesome. it is mana ramp, mana-stability (additional basic land with mana denial decks), besides it's working with our best warriors - Dungrove and Dourbark. Test him and you will see)
6.dryad dies from any removals/wasteland. Zenith too expensive to search Dourbark/Protector/Primus
7. im not sure about sorrow now, but in legacy it's must be good against Elves, Goblins, Maverick, D'n'T, UWR Delver, Affinity and others creatures deck. Plague is good, but it's can be destroyed in many ways...

[DragoFireheart]

Murmuring Bosk is one reason I like Treefolk so much. Shame there aren't any Legacy viable ones.

[SpeedOfDark]

@sardukar:

Battlewand oak is decent only if you build your deck to beatdown. In that case its usually a 5/7 at least 2-3 times shortly after you play it, and after that it usually stays at 3/5 and bursts to 5/7 once in a while. A 3/5 for 3 is very meh, but a 5/7 is quite overpowered, especially when you consider that a banneret start effectively makes it a 2 mana 5/7. In my modern deck, it worked great, but if I was pressed to build legacy treefolk it probably wouldn't make the cut regardless because I would need extra room for GSZ, thoughtseize and a few other things.

On the other hand, if you are playing as a slower board control/midrange type deck (any format), then its probably crap :P