MoneyBags EDH

[LotusHead]

A few locals got interested in EDH with just one or two twists. First off, it uses the Vintage Restricted list Fastbond/Karakas/Black Lotus/PrimeTime are all ok, etc), second, all power 9 are availiable to all. (so your Azusa deck can cast Ancestral Recall of your Sapphire/Lotus/Lotus Petal etc.)

Has anyone else tried this? It would still be multiplayer, and most of us are chill: we don't cry to mommy if we get beat down by brokenness.

That being said, I'm not a fan of insta-win 2 card combos in EDH (although I'm perfectly fine with that for Tourney level Vintage).

Thoughts?

[BBG|Scott-Spain]

Sounds really quick. It legitimizes the use of FOW and MM even more.

[Finn]

Don't bother playing with a commander if Karakas is legal. Just play 100 card singleton.

[HammerAndSickled]

^Most "competitive" EDH decks can pretty much ignore Karakas. Either your general is hexproof, has a busted ability, or combos out the turn it's played, or it's basically just there for the colors, and if all else fails every deck has waste/strip with ways to recur them. The official banlist has absolutely nothing to do with competitive play, it's designed with a "save the casuals from themselves" mindset. A competitive EDH banlist would unban all the stupid stuff like Primeval, Sway of the Stars, etc. and ban the obviously ridiculous stuff like Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Necropotence, Yawgmoth's Will.

That being the case, the idea in the Op is stupid. Either play multiplayer commander (you get enough broken shit with combo decks and fast mana as it is) or play competitive EDH (more interesting games due to restrictions on bustedness and more balanced draws) or just play fucking Vintage. It's a great format in it's own right.

[LotusHead]

That being the case, the idea in the Op is stupid. Either play multiplayer commander (you get enough broken shit with combo decks and fast mana as it is) or play competitive EDH (more interesting games due to restrictions on bustedness and more balanced draws) or just play fucking Vintage. It's a great format in it's own right.

We DO play vintage. That's the point. I was just curious if anyone out there tried it.

[NilsH]

Ignoring color identity for P9 sounds strange. I can get behind of allowing all moxen for all colors, but Ancestral and Time Walk in mono green seems off (but it's probably bad anyways, so it won't be a problem). If you allow P9 I think you can abandon the banned list alltougther.

Vintage Highlander is cool, so Vintage Highlander with a Commander should be cool as well. :laugh:

[TsumiBand]

A few locals got interested in EDH with just one or two twists. First off, it uses the Vintage Restricted list Fastbond/Karakas/Black Lotus/PrimeTime are all ok, etc), second, all power 9 are availiable to all. (so your Azusa deck can cast Ancestral Recall of your Sapphire/Lotus/Lotus Petal etc.)

Has anyone else tried this? It would still be multiplayer, and most of us are chill: we don't cry to mommy if we get beat down by brokenness.

That being said, I'm not a fan of insta-win 2 card combos in EDH (although I'm perfectly fine with that for Tourney level Vintage).

Thoughts?

How do you deal with this against, like, controlling City of Brass? Does CoB tap for all colors or just the colors of your commander? Under the regular EDH rules if I control any kind of mana rock that is outside my commander's color identity, if it would produce an 'outside' color it makes colorless instead.

What about a situation where a mono-Blue commander steals a Spiritmonger; since your Moxen apparently tap for their colors regardless of your commander, can I play the abilities that have a :b: or :g: cost?

Color identity defines more aspects of EDH than people realize. At least, for my part, I prefer approaching EDH with the perceived limitations it has in place. I like the color identity rules; I like the idea that a UG commander's deck can steal a Shivan Dragon but it cannot activate the Firebreathing ability. I don't think I like the idea that Big Green can cast Ancestral Recall and Timetwister :(

Indeed there are issues with the current banlist, I'll give you that; by the same token (and I've argued for/against this as well in the past) it is a malleable list, a suggested starting point -- your local playgroup needn't adhere to it.

I think that at some point, setting aside too many defining rules just kind of begs the question of why bother calling it a Commander variant at all?

[Ace/Homebrew]

I think that at some point, setting aside too many defining rules just kind of begs the question of why bother calling it a Commander variant at all?

He listed Lotus Petal as a source of :u: mana for Ancestral Recall, so I assume any rainbow source works.

I applaud your group for trying 'out there' stuff to see if it is fun. I do not see this catching on though. Besides what I quoted from Tsumi, my problem is the ubiquity of lists... I'm estimating 20% of the cards in your lists are the same after adding the P9. That estimation is high or low depending on how many blue commanders are in the group. Tutors increase the perceived ubiquity.

I anticipate your group will have a lot of fun with this for a few weeks and then drop it much like mine did with pauper EDH.

[TsumiBand]

He listed Lotus Petal as a source of :u: mana for Ancestral Recall, so I assume any rainbow source works.

I applaud your group for trying 'out there' stuff to see if it is fun. I do not see this catching on though. Besides what I quoted from Tsumi, my problem is the ubiquity of lists... I'm estimating 20% of the cards in your lists are the same after adding the P9. That estimation is high or low depending on how many blue commanders are in the group. Tutors increase the perceived ubiquity.

I anticipate your group will have a lot of fun with this for a few weeks and then drop it much like mine did with pauper EDH.

Ah, I didn't see Lotus Petal buried in there with Moxen and Black Lotus. My bad.

Ubiquity of lists is another issue Ace rightly brings up which I agree with. It's weird because in EDH having a widely varied field is typically a desirable thing because people tend to get very… Thematic? Lyrical?… with their decks. You kind of want to see the weird Rube Goldberg stuff, because it's way less difficult to pull off. I might be inducing a false dichotomy here, but it feels to me that without that factor, without the "weird decks are weird" factor, you really are just inviting it to turn into Vintage Highlander.

Don't get me wrong; there's a terrible place in my heart where I would load up my Kaalia of the Vast deck with Moxen and Time Walks and shit, because that is hilarious to me. I don't really like accessing that place though, so I drink and drink and shut my eyes and write songs in my diary that make Fred Durst sound like Kerouac. I mean I sleeve up Telim'Tor and rage against the machine.

[NilsH]

Don't get me wrong; there's a terrible place in my heart where I would load up my Kaalia of the Vast deck with Moxen and Time Walks and shit, because that is hilarious to me.


That sounds awesome! :laugh:

[Aggro_zombies]

That being said, I'm not a fan of insta-win 2 card combos in EDH (although I'm perfectly fine with that for Tourney level Vintage).

Thoughts?
I feel like Nick will most likely be on some kind of Arcum build, so maybe a two card instant-win combo is the way to go?

Also, the Hermit Druid deck seems like it would benefit a lot from this format.

[TsumiBand]

Also, the Hermit Druid deck seems like it would benefit a lot from this format.

'Helps'

Who the fuck looks around their metagame like "This shit needs more Hermit Druid"

[Aggro_zombies]

'Helps'

Who the fuck looks around their metagame like "This shit needs more Hermit Druid"
People who decided that the only thing better than Vintage Lite EDH was Actual Vintage EDH.

I mean, I do kinda want to see a powered Hermit Druid deck in action. It seems like it would be sweet.