New Planeswalker from Conspiracy

[Vicar in a tutu]

So, what do you think?http://mythicspoiler.com/cpy/cards/dackfayden.html

[Asthereal]

That guy will cost like 6+ mana to cast, I guarantee it.
Unless the text parts that I cannot read now contain massive drawbacks. But then I don't want the card at all, probably. :tongue:

[lyracian]

Pushed for Eternal so 3or 4 CMC red and blue.

+1 Faithless Looting
-2 steal artefact
-6 Steal Atticact every time you cast a spell that targets one
Or
Replicate spell for each target it could target

[Lemnear]

Pushed for Eternal so 3or 4 CMC red and blue.

+1 Faithless Looting
-2 steal artefact
-6 Steal Atticact every time you cast a spell that targets one
Or
Replicate spell for each target it could target

You serioisly believe they print a walker who does not habe the word "creature" written on it? I'm sure he has 1 starting loyalty or the steal is until eot

[EpicLevelCommoner]

Faithless looting is obviously the first one ...

Second one is probably an Act of Treason effect (maybe Zealous Conscripts).

Third ... i dont know ... gut tells me some sort of reveberate fork or twincast thing, but eh.

Given all that though ... i really doubt its intended for legacy. Maybe modern but not legacy.

[Ace/Homebrew]

2nd line does not have the space for 'until end of turn'. Flavor would support that he permanently steals an artifact (he's a master thief or something).

This will not see Modern play. Modern is not an eternal format. This card will not be legal.
It could possibly see Vintage play if it is "-2: Steal an artifact" and the CMC is :1::u::r: or :2::u::r:.

The ultimate will be splashy and unimportant in determining whether it sees any play...

[TheArchitect]

Given all that though ... i really doubt its intended for legacy. Maybe modern but not legacy.

Well its not going to be legal in modern... The set is legal for legacy and vintage (and commander I imagine) only.

I would be surprised if he cost more than 4.

[EpicLevelCommoner]

Ah my bad. Had a brain fart in regards to legality.

Anyhow if the commander sets are any indication, being legal only in eternal formats does not necessarily mean theyre made for Legacy or Vintage.

For example, steal target artifact doesnt really do a whole lot in Legacy, but it would be pretty nifty to grab a caged sun or gauntlet of power in edh.

[Lemnear]

Slap MUD players with their own Lodestone Golem sounds flashy

[YamiJoey]

Card is fully spoiled and would've been excellent in Modern.

http://i.imgur.com/yLrPSoK.jpg

Now, I'm not sure. Vintage? Steal all teh Moxes!!!

[Whippoorwill]

For example, steal target artifact doesnt really do a whole lot in Legacy, but it would be pretty nifty to grab a caged sun or gauntlet of power in edh.

Batterskull/Equipment & Aether Vial alone are fairly common. Stealing a Vial at the least will slow your opponent down and stealing equipment will likely have a decent impact on the game. The Faithless Looting ability alone already gives this potential since it helps you with card quality. Find a way to make more use of it and the value of this card goes up more. Assuming this costs 2UR at the most, I already plan on trying to brew something up with Goblin Welder.

Edit: And as I finish typing the card gets spoiled (Not Confirmed)

For those unable to click the link:

Dack Fayden :1::u::r:
Planeswalker - Dack
+1: Target player draws two cards, then discards two cards.
-2: Gain control of target artifact.
-6: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast a spell that targets a creature, untap and gain control of that creature. It gains haste."
Starting Loyalty: 3


Note that the Threaten effect from the Emblem is permanent.

[Whippoorwill]

Card is fully spoiled and would've been excellent in Modern.

http://i.imgur.com/yLrPSoK.jpg

Now, I'm not sure. Vintage? Steal all teh Moxes!!!

Just checked Salvation, I don't see this as being confirmed, just someone's mockup with no source.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Card is fully spoiled and would've been excellent in Modern.

http://i.imgur.com/yLrPSoK.jpg

Now, I'm not sure. Vintage? Steal all teh Moxes!!!
This "spoiler" is only an educated guess, the picture is photoshopped.

[YamiJoey]

Ah, apparently I can't read and read the imgur as MythicSpoiler. Kind of glad as I hate that ultimate and the bit where it doesn't untap the Artifact.

[lyracian]

Is that the real card? I thought is was someone's mock up.
Three mana sorcery to steal an artefact is good, this then sticks around to give you card selection if opponents do not spend time killing it.

[bruizar]

Is that the real card? I thought is was someone's mock up.
Three mana sorcery to steal an artefact is good, this then sticks around to give you card selection if opponents do not spend time killing it.



http://i.imgur.com/yLrPSoK.jpg

I wouldn't play that card if it was real. Not in legacy (although i'd probably try to brew something with Goblin Welder, Arcum Dagsson and Mycosynth Lattice with it).. Otherwise, since imperial painter is better than UR Painter, I don't see it going anywhere if it were real.

[Megadeus]

If that is the real card, I'd either do painted stone, or try out a sweet RUG Loam deck. Loot for awhile, then after his ultimate, every punishing fire is mind control.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Assuming the very likely chance his -2 is "Gain control of target artifact."; if he is CMC 4 or less, could he make Liquimetal Coating a playable card?

Edit: WTF is going on in that art? He's got a red glove on but he's holding a black glove? That has to be the worst planeswalker pose...

[rufus]

Assuming the very likely chance his -2 is "Gain control of target artifact."; if he is CMC 4 or less, could he make Liquimetal Coating a playable card?

Edit: WTF is going on in that art? He's got a red glove on but he's holding a black glove? That has to be the worst planeswalker pose...

I think he's supposed to have a red hand and a blue one, and he takes the gloves off to use them.

FWIW the 'full spoiler' is probably fake since the text wraps too far down. The third ability probably just ends with "copy that spell" or something similarly useless.

[TorpidNinja]

Assuming the very likely chance his -2 is "Gain control of target artifact."; if he is CMC 4 or less, could he make Liquimetal Coating a playable card?

Edit: WTF is going on in that art? He's got a red glove on but he's holding a black glove? That has to be the worst planeswalker pose...

He's a thief. He was caught and made -literally - "red-handed."

It's a story thing I guess.

[wcm8]

I would play that card *for sure* if he cast 1UR. But I think this guy is probably going to cost 4, if not more.

Draw 2 discard 2 is very powerful once you have a few extra lands sandbagged, and dumping stuff into your graveyard is fairly easy to abuse.

[Vicar in a tutu]

I would play that card *for sure* if he cast 1UR. But I think this guy is probably going to cost 4, if not more.

Draw 2 discard 2 is very powerful once you have a few extra lands sandbagged, and dumping stuff into your graveyard is fairly easy to abuse.
Appearently his casting cost is 1UR. The guys over at MTGSalvation have uncovered the casting cost by cracking something somewhere (more details at Salvation, I'm so tired after playing Nations 7 hours straight that I can't explain).

[Cynicath]

Ah my bad. Had a brain fart in regards to legality.

Anyhow if the commander sets are any indication, being legal only in eternal formats does not necessarily mean theyre made for Legacy or Vintage.

For example, steal target artifact doesnt really do a whole lot in Legacy, but it would be pretty nifty to grab a caged sun or gauntlet of power in edh.



Yeah but as a counter example, Flusterstorm doesn't do much in Commander but it's very powerful in Legacy and Vintage. TNN is another example. And to your second point, a Steal Artifact on a stick would be bonkers in Vintage. Dack could very well be extremely powerful, depending on what the other half of the card says.

Edit: also, I love how they're 'spoiling' the card. It's like Clever Waste of Time, but when you win, you get MtG spoilers.

[Whippoorwill]

Appearently his casting cost is 1UR. The guys over at MTGSalvation have uncovered the casting cost by cracking something somewhere (more details at Salvation, I'm so tired after playing Nations 7 hours straight that I can't explain).

It was found by inputting the Konami Code (up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, enter) at this page (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1430).

Here's a screenshot of the result:

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/gallery/531dec611558646b95d3ea9024b2ba37.png

Cipher code at the bottom for those good at figuring it out:

Gmr kr Lhfi Uknaqttfp
:1::u::r:
ONRGZEDW

[TheDarkshineKnight]

Art by Eric Deschamps is the first line. It's a Vignere Cipher using the same key as the original Conspiracy page: GVYJTHQXGR

As for the ONRGZEDW, I got nothing. Using the above key I get ISTXGXNZ.

[JPoJohnson]

I'm liking the look of it for Vintage, but not sure about Legacy. If he starts with 3 loyalty I think he's pretty playable, I wouldn't be surprised if he started with 2 loyalty though

[thecrav]

Finally officially spoiled and I think the ult is actually better than we'd been guessing.

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/promotional/a84rgerig9u8/jkaskjldamnwsd9sdk2d_EN.jpg

[HSCK]

Starting at 3 loyalty with a +1 draw ability seems like it could find a place.

[JPoJohnson]

Starting at 3 loyalty with a +1 draw ability seems like it could find a place.

Agreed! I'm going to definitely test it in URx Landstill for Vintage, I'm not sure what decks it would be an auto-include in, but it's quite the powerful walker, that's for sure!

[thecrav]

My initial thoughts:

The ultimate, while really sweet, probably doesn't do much in most existing legacy decks. Most of the spells that you'd cast on an opponent's permanents also destroys them. That being said, there's certainly room in the format for a deck that tries to use the ultimate. (How sweet would it feel to say Mutagenic Growth your Goyf, now he's my Goyf. Attack you." ?

I think he has potential in RUG due to the card advantage and creature-growing the +1 gives. If RUG does manage to get him to ultimate-level, forked bolt might become the best spell in the deck.

[Tyrio]

I think he'd be decent in Lands (maybe replacing some number of Crop Rotations or some of the one-of lands). His plus is obviously very good with Loam and lets you dig for Exploration/Intuition. His minus doesn't really do anything and his ultimate is cute with Punishing Fire. Steal all the Miracle players' Jaces 8D

He could also maybe go into a Goblin Welder deck, if such a deck exists at the moment.

[Aggro_zombies]

+1: Faithless Looting seems pretty sweet when you're running Tarmogoyf and Mongoose, but the -2 is basically blank and I don't think the ultimate will realistically happen more than once or twice a tournament. I'm not sure a typical RUG deck is where this guy belongs.

Actually, I'm not sure this guy is all that good in Legacy in general. That -2 does something against, what, MUD and a few fringe decks? But still, +1 for sweet card advantage is enticing.

Maybe Grixis Young Pyromancer decks want this guy?

EDIT: Actually, he seems sweet if your lineup is YP, Snapcaster, and Tombstalker since he fuels all of those. Delver is whatever with him, but +1 to gas up in the midgame seems very, very powerful in this sort of deck.

[GradStudentGuy]

+1: Faithless Looting seems pretty sweet when you're running Tarmogoyf and Mongoose, but the -2 is basically blank and I don't think the ultimate will realistically happen more than once or twice a tournament. I'm not sure a typical RUG deck is where this guy belongs.

Actually, I'm not sure this guy is all that good in Legacy in general. That -2 does something against, what, MUD and a few fringe decks? But still, +1 for sweet card advantage is enticing.

Maybe Grixis Young Pyromancer decks want this guy?

With all the equipment running around all over the place the -2 may be more useful then a lot of people think.

[Jeff]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but because of the damage redirection rules, you can't gain control of planeswalkers with lightning bolts, right?

[morgan_coke]

Dack Fayden, Gorilla Shaman, Liquimetal Coating, + other shenanigans? (voltaic key, ral zarek, etc.)

[bakofried]

I think that giving blue an out to equipment is a terrible idea. Let's hope they give something else a boost as well.

[Meekrab]

Dack Fayden, Gorilla Shaman, Liquimetal Coating, + other shenanigans? (voltaic key, ral zarek, etc.)
None of those are spells that target permanents...

On the other hand, Dwarven Song and Sea Kings' Blessing scoop all the critters?

[Valtrix]

I think that giving blue an out to equipment is a terrible idea. Let's hope they give something else a boost as well.

This is a red card still...You just mean because blue has artifact hate that can be pitched to force?

[Megadeus]

I think he'd be decent in Lands (maybe replacing some number of Crop Rotations or some of the one-of lands). His plus is obviously very good with Loam and lets you dig for Exploration/Intuition. His minus doesn't really do anything and his ultimate is cute with Punishing Fire. Steal all the Miracle players' Jaces 8D

He could also maybe go into a Goblin Welder deck, if such a deck exists at the moment.

My thoughts as well. Either a RUG loam deck or a UR Painter deck

Also I think it being a way to take a batterskull isn't irrelevant.

[thecrav]

I think that giving blue an out to equipment is a terrible idea.

Steel Sabotage?

[Aggro_zombies]

My thoughts as well. Either a RUG loam deck or a UR Painter deck

Also I think it being a way to take a batterskull isn't irrelevant.
You won't control the Germ, though, so you'll have to pony up the five mana to re-equip it or else you'll keep taking four damage every turn (and your opponent will gain the life).

[Tyrio]

My thoughts as well. Either a RUG loam deck or a UR Painter deck

Also I think it being a way to take a batterskull isn't irrelevant.

I don't think he does much to equipment. Pretty sure changing the owner of Batterskull won't do anything to the token and if you return the Batterskull it'll still go to it's owners hand. It shouldn't unequip either. I suppose if you kill the token or whoever is holding the Jitte it'll make the equipment a brick for your opponent. But if you're running Dack in a Lands or Welder/Painter deck I don't imagine you have much use for the equipment either.

[TsumiBand]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but because of the damage redirection rules, you can't gain control of planeswalkers with lightning bolts, right?

That's right, Lightning Bolt does not target planeswalkers.

Seems funny with that new Blue Wizard guy that reduces the CMC of spells that target things, or any of the random Red spells that divvy up damage between targets. "Forked Bolt your Tarmogoyfs, kthx"

[BVB09]

I'm starting to believe the best uses for this PW is the first and third habs in combination with Punishing Fire, and not the Gain control of target artifact (which at first sight may look interesting/undercosted)
1st hab helps finding P. Fire and then becomes a powerfull draw engine. And as you are already increasing loyality you can cast the ultimate and one point and make the opponent concede.
However all of this engine looks irrelavant against combo...

[HPB_Eggo]

However all of this engine looks irrelavant against combo...

It's not irrelevant. Being able to dig for more answers is useful against every deck, and it only gets more useful the more digging you have to do to find them - that is, the more dead cards you have and are willing to just dump in the yard.

True, you have to get to turn 4-5 to be able safely play him, but in a more control-oriented shell he provides the fuel that prevents the opponent from just sculpting the right hand and going off in your face. Still not as good as, say, Countertop, but that sort of filtering lets you lock up any game against combo.

[lyracian]

I don't think he does much to equipment. Pretty sure changing the owner of Batterskull won't do anything to the token and if you return the Batterskull it'll still go to it's owners hand. It shouldn't unequip either. I suppose if you kill the token or whoever is holding the Jitte it'll make the equipment a brick for your opponent. But if you're running Dack in a Lands or Welder/Painter deck I don't imagine you have much use for the equipment either.
His -2 is not good against Batterskull unless you have already killed the germ; gaining control of it though does stop the opponent paying 3 to return it to there hand (assuming they do not do this in response to Dack).
It is useful against Jitte and Sword of X/Y as you control the triggered/activated abilities. Jitte will still get counters but you can use them to gain life/kill creatures and you would draw a card deal 2 damage with Sword of Fire

This could make Punishing Miracles a powerful deck; it might be good in RUG Thresh sideboard as a random answer to other decks. You can steal Grindstone, Cranial Plating or the Ornithoper it is on, Baleful Strix and Shardless Agent...

[ivanpei]

The problem with punishing miracles is the combo matchup. This walker does not help in the combo matchup. Punishing miracles has more than enough gas and filtering.

The best would be in a deck that needs the filtering and can abuse the ultimate. A red deck with Grim Lavamancers and forked bolt along with Dack Fayden would be great.

Possibly rug mid range control? However countertop seems like a much better filtering/end game engine.

[Lemnear]

This is a Vintage card to adress the omnipresence of MUD by slapping your opponent with their own Lodestone

[lyracian]

The problem with punishing miracles is the combo matchup. This walker does not help in the combo matchup. Punishing miracles has more than enough gas and filtering.
Possibly rug mid range control? However countertop seems like a much better filtering/end game engine.
His +1 helps you dig for answers and you can steal petals/LED if they play them early. Perhaps it is time to brew a new Red/Blue Counter-burn deck using Dack and Counterbalance.

[Looooooooo]

Clearly made for mixing up the things in Vintage while having appeal on the casual audience of EDH.

- L

[eq.firemind]

Stealing Vial/Mox seems like just perfect fit to complement Stifle/Wasteland manadenial plan.

All in all, I believe second ability has much wider application than it seems.

[ivanpei]

I think this will be a hit in vintage. Probably less applications in Legacy. Card filtering is also limited in vintage as Brainstorm and Ponder is restricted. Being able to come down and steal a Mox or Lodestone is huge.

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[ScatmanX]

Being able to come down and steal a Mox or Lodestone is huge
Also, all the Vials, moxes and golens your opponent draws once this is online are pretty much dead draws. That looks great. Maybe in that more controling rug build, with Noble Hierarch and stuff. Id like to see it play.

[Dreg]

This dude is also able to completely neuter Jitte. As long as it's equipped on a creature with power < 5, you basically cannot be raced by that creature, for as long as it deals damage to you, you will gain 4 back. A notable mention is that you completely shut that creature down if this happens, since your opponent can no longer pay the equipment cost to move the Jitte away. Enjoy your mutilated TNNs.

[Darkenslight]

Best get those Fireballs now! :D

[lyracian]

Best get those Fireballs now! :D

Dwarven Song is better however looking at just creatures is too narrow; Mind Games let you steal there land as well and it is not completely useless, just almost, if you have not managed to get his Ultimate off. Flickering Ward would also be a funny way of stealing creatures...

[Anen]

Dwarven Song is better however looking at just creatures is too narrow; Mind Games let you steal there land as well and it is not completely useless, just almost, if you have not managed to get his Ultimate off. Flickering Ward would also be a funny way of stealing creatures...

Gigadrowse seems to win the race xD Ok you have to -6 first..

[lyracian]

Gigadrowse seems to win the race xD Ok you have to -6 first..
Good call! Mind Games let you keep stealing what ever they play though. Really needs to be a buyback or retrace spell so you can keep casting it turn after turn...
Doubt any of them are good enough to make an actual playable lock. :laugh:

[Barook]

Gigadrowse seems to win the race xD Ok you have to -6 first..
Would also fit into the Nivmagus Elemental shell. Just filter useless jank for pure gas and recycle the dumped cards with Snapcaster and Lavamancer.

[Raystar]

Good call! Mind Games let you keep stealing what ever they play though. Really needs to be a buyback or retrace spell so you can keep casting it turn after turn...
Doubt any of them are good enough to make an actual playable lock. :laugh:


Icy Manipulator? :cool:

[rufus]

It has to be a spell you cast, so no replicate, storm, activated, or triggered abilities.

Chained to the Rocks is funny.
Something actually repeatable like Crown of Flames or Glamerdye could work.

[Ace/Homebrew]

I think his most powerful and appealing ability is the +1. Stealing artifacts is a bonus and the ultimate (as almost always) is win-more.

He will strengthen Brainstorm and Jacestorm. Now you don't need a fetchland to clear the top of your library. Use Jace's 0, draw 3, put 2 back. Use Dack's +1, mill the 2 you did not want. Fresh cards on top. Of course if you have the fetchland you get to see 2 more cards...

[wcm8]

This card can slot right into RUG, taking one of the flex slots (that previously may have been occupied by Sylvan Library). It can also fit into UWr Miracles.

The filter is obviously useful, as later in the game you can chuck extra lands or Daze for useful cards. It also grows Goyf and Goose. The -2 gives you a maindeck out to resolved equipment and such. I don't imagine that the ultimate will see much use, but kind of like Liliana, if it *does* manage to resolve it's pretty much good game. (Lightning Bolts and Pyroblasts will be able to steal various permanents).

Along with Abrupt Decay, Batterskull has become less of an auto-win card in Game 1 against tempo decks.

I think if this guy gets played, it'd probably be at most a 1 or 2-of.

[Arsenal]

The main concern I have is that he can't protect himself. This may prove to much of a burden to overcome.

[Finn]

Journey into Nix must really be butt-plug awful for there to be this much discussion on such a craptastic card. And yeah, I said "butt" and "crap" there. afk, brb

[Adryan]

This card is really bad. It's completely unplayable and the ultimate is a joke.

Maybe playable in Vintage, but i don't now.

Edit: the most funniest arguments for bad cards are: can be pitched to FoW or it's good with Jace. Every card is good with Jace if i press the 0 button every turn like an idiot. Grizzly Bear is a beast with Jace and 7 cards in hands.

[Lemnear]

This card is really bad. It's completely unplayable and the ultimate is a joke.

Maybe playable in Vintage, but i don't now.

Lodestone, Blightsteel, Time vault < Dack's -2

Young Pyromancer + Gush + Dack's +1 = value

[Richard Cheese]

Journey into Nix must really be butt-plug awful for there to be this much discussion on such a craptastic card. And yeah, I said "butt" and "crap" there. afk, brb

What's wrong with butt plugs?

[nedleeds]

This is a vintage card. Move along now.

[morgan_coke]

Maybe this guy and Mana Confluence = a new 5c Madness deck? Something like:

4x Undiscovered Paradise
4x Mana Confluence
4x Reflecting Pool
4x Chrome Mox
4x Bayou

4x Lotleth Troll
4x Bloodghast
4x Vengevine
4x Wild Mongrel
4x Basking Rootwalla

4x Cabal Therapy
4x Circular Logic

4x Faithless Looting
4x Careful Study
4x Dack Fayden

Hell, maybe Psychatog belongs in there too. Seems like it has some potential anyways. Draw, counters, discard, beats. No real removal to speak of, but that was always a weakness of the old UG madness lists too.

[Megadeus]

Deck looks pretty sweet. I'd play it

[workingdude]

This dude is also able to completely neuter Jitte. As long as it's equipped on a creature with power < 5, you basically cannot be raced by that creature, for as long as it deals damage to you, you will gain 4 back. A notable mention is that you completely shut that creature down if this happens, since your opponent can no longer pay the equipment cost to move the Jitte away. Enjoy your mutilated TNNs.

This does not work with TNN as protection means it cannot be equipped by an equipment you control.

[BVB09]

This does not work with TNN as protection means it cannot be equipped by an equipment you control.

Really? So when it changes owner the Jitte becomes unattached?

[Arsenal]

I think he meant that TNN will no longer have Jitte equipped to him once Dack steals the Jitte. In that situation, TNN is neutered and is relatively tame. TNN w/ Jitte equipped though? Not even a game anymore.

[HPB_Eggo]

Been brewing for a while now, and I'm actually really digging URx Countertop with Dack. Dack is exceptional with Countertop out, and there are a lot of ways to turn his +1 into CA without much effort - Punishing Fire, Thopter Combo, and other recursion options being the main ones.

I'm also digging the overall synergy with Thopter Foundry, since you can dig quickly for the combo and any artifact you steal can be eaten by the Foundry to make yourself a blocker. Not sure if URW or URB are the right colors to go for it, though. Or even if it's good, really, since testing has been minimal so far. It's at least interesting to play, and that's enough for me to want to see if it's any good.

[lyracian]

Icy Manipulator? :cool:

Tapping stuff is not a spell but Iscocronic Speptremovht work...

[Megadeus]

My first thought was something like:

RUG Loam

3 Dack
4 Life from the Loam
3 Punishing Fire
2 Jace
4 Mox Diamond
2 Intuition
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Mana Leak
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Tarmogoyf
2 Impulse

28 lands

Then I thought of something like:

4 Goblin Welder
3 Dack
3 Intuition
4 Brainstorm
3 Painters Servant
3 Grindstone
2 Trinket Mage
1 LED
2 Sensei's Top
4 Red Blast


Neither are very tuned, and young pyromancer in the first list means you dont get Tabernacle. Dunno just my brewing session. Not that I'll ever play either of these decks.

[rufus]

Maybe this guy and Mana Confluence = a new 5c Madness deck?...


Something UR and graveyard driven like Pyromancer Ascension or High Tide/Past in Flame could work OK too.



The main concern I have is that he can't protect himself. This may prove to much of a burden to overcome.

In the right deck, just getting the +1 to go off twice is pretty decent value, but in those decks his CC may be too high.

[FTW]

Seems good as a 2-of in a URx deck with TNN. Best equipment against TNN is SoFaI, and you can just steal it and equip to your TNN FTW. Seems worst against Batterskull, but Batterskull is probably not what they grab against a TNN deck. And although you don't control the Germ, you do control the "3: return to owner's hand", which you can strategically time as a combat trick to prevent lifegain or save your guy. So it's not strictly terrible even if they do go for Batterskull. Obviously best case scenario is they get Jitte XD

Maybe good in UR Delver to interact with the board and/or filter through chaff into burn finisher.

Seems hilarious vs combo MUs. You're already playing blue, so they're going to try to slow-roll you and sculpt and drop multiple mana sources to play around Spell Pierce. Then you drop Dack and start stealing their Chrome Moxen/LEDs....

If you're going to combo with it, use Ground Rift. Ground Rift works best in a UR Kiln Fiend/Young Pyromancer/Nivmagus/Delver deck loaded with cantrips and burn and Flusterstorm copies to eat. Ground Rift means you can't be chump blocked (or you can just eat copies with Nivmagus) and after Dack ultimate you can use it to steal their whole team at once.

[FTW]

Maybe this guy and Mana Confluence = a new 5c Madness deck? Something like:

4x Undiscovered Paradise
4x Mana Confluence
4x Reflecting Pool
4x Chrome Mox
4x Bayou

4x Lotleth Troll
4x Bloodghast
4x Vengevine
4x Wild Mongrel
4x Basking Rootwalla

4x Cabal Therapy
4x Circular Logic

4x Faithless Looting
4x Careful Study
4x Dack Fayden

Hell, maybe Psychatog belongs in there too. Seems like it has some potential anyways. Draw, counters, discard, beats. No real removal to speak of, but that was always a weakness of the old UG madness lists too.

Needs more Leonin Arbiter. Seriously, every 5cc manabase deck should be running these guys and/or Suppression Fields to punish the hell out of the rest of the field for running fetchlands+DRS. Especially the ones with Chrome Mox!

[nedleeds]

If you are playing this guy in RUG then I think you've got to be playing Liquimetal Coating ... maybe even some Grudge and Monkey, otherwise his second ability is -2: Stroke It.

[Megadeus]

This sounds awesome. Forgot liquimetal coating was a card.

[Allcoin]

UR delver with forked bolt and other multitarget burn spells? Plus snap to flash them back? The ult seems fun in an already existing deck that wouldn't mind fueling its own grim lavamancer....

Also, steal your goyf* with a bolt? Steal your knight with bolt? Target jitte with destroy spell, sac to nivmagus, idk just awful ideas

EDIT: I'm a scrub I am bad at magic I forgot the planeswalker thing....

[Zllig]

UR delver with forked bolt and other multitarget burn spells? Plus snap to flash them back? The ult seems fun in an already existing deck that wouldn't mind fueling its own grim lavamancer....

Also, steal your jace with a bolt? Steal your knight with bolt? Target jitte with destroy spell, sac to nivmagus, idk just awful ideas

I don't understand why people are saying play Forked Bolt for his ulti, I thought we don't base anything around planeswalkers ultimates. It is just supposed to be icing on the cake, it does seem nice if you have Punishing Fire in your deck for a reoccurring 2 mana control magic.

Also I don't think you can steal planeswalkers with burn since it doesn't actually target them.

That being said I really love this guy and am prepared to jam a few janky brews just to play with him. I definitely think that a RUG Control deck with Fire/Grove, Loam, and Counterbalance sounds pretty fucking awesome. Although I'm sure I'll end up jamming Goblin Welders with him first.

[Shawon]

Assuming emblem is acquired, can you really gain control of an opponent's PW if you cast Lightning Bolt, targeting the opponent? The redirection of damage only occurs upon resolution of the spell, AFAIK, so if the Lightning Bolt is on the stack targeting an opponent, an entity that isn't a permanent, I don't see how you can gain control of an opponent's PW that way. However, I think if you cast Fated Conflagration instead, targeting an opponent's PW while you have the Dack emblem, then you can gain control of that PW.

Am I wrong?

[Octopusman]

Dust off the Fire // Ice. yay!

[Megadeus]

Based solely off of his first two abilities he just isn't good enough. I still will brew though.

[Gheizen64]

Amazing in Vintage, could see some play in Legacy if Equipments and more artifact enter the fray. Doubt it however.

[Aggro_zombies]

Assuming emblem is acquired, can you really gain control of an opponent's PW if you cast Lightning Bolt, targeting the opponent? The redirection of damage only occurs upon resolution of the spell, AFAIK, so if the Lightning Bolt is on the stack targeting an opponent, an entity that isn't a permanent, I don't see how you can gain control of an opponent's PW that way. However, I think if you cast Fated Conflagration instead, targeting an opponent's PW while you have the Dack emblem, then you can gain control of that PW.

Am I wrong?
You're correct. Lightning Bolt never targets a planeswalker even if that's where the Bolt damage ends up.

[rufus]

You're correct. Lightning Bolt never targets a planeswalker even if that's where the Bolt damage ends up.

"What never? Well, hardly ever!"
-- The Captain of the Pinafore

It can target Gideon Jura or other planeswalkers that become creatures.

[FTW]

"What never? Well, hardly ever!"
-- The Captain of the Pinafore

It can target Gideon Jura or other planeswalkers that become creatures.

If you Liquimetal Coating Jace, the Mind Sculptor and then target Jace with Karn, Silver Golem, then you can Lightning Bolt it after Dack Fayden goes ultimate. Although it will be a 4/4, it will sadly die to Bolt if it only has 3 loyalty counters. So maybe that isn't the best way to steal a Jace.

[lyracian]

If you Liquimetal Coating Jace, the Mind Sculptor and then target Jace with Karn, Silver Golem, then you can Lightning Bolt it after Dack Fayden goes ultimate. Although it will be a 4/4, it will sadly die to Bolt if it only has 3 loyalty counters. So maybe that isn't the best way to steal a Jace.If you have Liqimetal Coating and Dack just use him -2 ability instead, wait until Jace has more counters or just use Forked Bolt...:cool:

[TsumiBand]

I don't understand why people are saying play Forked Bolt for his ulti, I thought we don't base anything around planeswalkers ultimates. It is just supposed to be icing on the cake, it does seem nice if you have Punishing Fire in your deck for a reoccurring 2 mana control magic.

Punishing Fire does seem pretty funny too as long as you somehow 'get there' with his ultimate.

For my part I only brought up Forked Bolt because it was the lowest CC thing I could think of in UR with multiple targets that wasn't totally dead or stupid without Dack. If I were fucking around I'd be like, pitching Violent Eruption to Aquamoeba or something :D "Steal three guys, Tim you? SEEMS REAL GOOD"

[FTW]

If you have Liqimetal Coating and Dack just use him -2 ability instead, wait until Jace has more counters or just use Forked Bolt...:cool:

...

The irony/joke was that the number of loyalty counters on Jace isn't the problem with that scenario, but needing Liquimetal Coating+Karn, Silver Golem+a planeswalker going ultimate...
Yeah, in general the -2 + Liquimetal is probably the more likely one to see play in Legacy or EDH

[Darkenslight]

...

The irony/joke was that the number of loyalty counters on Jace isn't the problem with that scenario, but needing Liquimetal Coating+Karn, Silver Golem+a planeswalker going ultimate...
Yeah, in general the -2 + Liquimetal is probably the more likely one to see play in Legacy or EDH

Screw it, now I'm brewing RUG Heavy Metal Poisoning. With Coating, and Grudge, and other artifact shenanigans.

[Lemnear]

Screw it, now I'm brewing RUG Heavy Metal Poisoning. With Coating, and Grudge, and other artifact shenanigans.

Just don't forget Goblin Welder

[BVB09]

The first time I read the Liquimetal Coating + Dack interaction I thought "Just sweet, but useless"
However I'm starting to think it may not be useless...
While Liquimetal coating does absolutely nothing on it's own, Dack does, and in fact, looks at least acceptable in some kind of UXr control shell.
This combination is similar to countertop. Top is probably more powerful than Dack. And same happens to Counterbalance.
However is the coutertop lock better than this? Hmm probably yes, stopping opponents from playing spells is never bad...
It also can be compared with the Punishing Grove combo, with the diference that both cards alone are ok-good (not as good as top/Dack, not as "bad" as counterbalance)
But gaining control of Lilianas, tarmos, lands, Emrakuls, Jaces, etc... in a control shell that while that can protect itself from unfair decks looks powerful.
Turn 2 Coating and activation, Turn 3 Gain control of that liliana/sneak attack/annoying Grove/...
Turn 2 Coating and activation, Turn 3 Wear Tear whatever
If we get this online Dack can protect itself, which is it's weakest point. And also it's a really hard to disrupt combination, only Decay nullifies it maindeck, and Coating can be activated before and same to Dack's -2.
I'm probably overexciting, but don't know, it may work...

I'm thinking of something like this:

4 SFM
2 Vendilion
2 TNN

4 FoW
4 Brainstorm
4 StP
3 Pierce
1 Wear // Tear

2 Supreme Verdict
2 Ponder

3 Dack
1 Jace

3 Liquimetal Coating
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull

23 Lands (There's room for 4/5+ basics)

Edit: Forgot it's only until EOT. Hmm doesn't look that good then...

[rufus]

The first time I read the Liquimetal Coating + Dack interaction I thought "Just sweet, but useless"
However I'm starting to think it may not be useless......

Gorilla Shaman + Liquimetal Coating is funny as land destruction.
Thanks to the looting effect, Dack could be pretty solid with Goblin Welder.

[FTW]

Gorilla Shaman + Liquimetal Coating is funny as land destruction.
Thanks to the looting effect, Dack could be pretty solid with Goblin Welder.

Yeah, either Shaman or Trygon Predator as repeatable destruction seems really powerful with Coating.

[Barook]

Gorilla Shaman + Liquimetal Coating is funny as land destruction.
This. While I have only seen shitty shells for this combo so far, it does get out of hand pretty quickly if left unchecked.

[Ziveeman]

I posted this decklist over on reddit:

Creatures - 10
4 Goblin Welder
4 Painter's Servant
2 Wurmcoil Engine

Spells - 28
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Grindstone
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Intuition
4 Mox Opal
2 Dack Fayden
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Pyroblast

Lands - 22
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Volcanic Island
1 Island
1 Mountain
4 Seat of the Synod
3 Great Furnace

A very rough list, but an idea to go off of. I just think that Dack Fayden + Goblin Welder is super sick. Thopter Foundry would also be a possible combo, but that would require an additional color (adding black offers Baleful Strix and Tezz 2.0, while white offers Stoneforge Mystic).

[HPB_Eggo]

Based off the above list, I'm going to try the following and see what happens.

4 Goblin Welder
4 Baleful Strix

2 Thopter Foundry
1 Sword of the Meek

2 Dack Fayden
2 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas

3 Intuition
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Sundering Titan
1 Liquimetal Coating

4 Force of Will

4 Brainstorm

4 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Counterbalance

1 Academy Ruins
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Vault of Whispers
1 Great Furnace
3 Polluted Delta
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Island
1 Swamp
3 Volcanic Island
3 Underground Sea


Obviously not perfect. Probably not even good, or even as good as a deck of this type could get (particularly in terms of lands, I can never get those right). Still, all the interactions seem like a lot of fun. Even found room for a singleton Liquimetal Coating, which is far from a dead card.

[Bryant Cook]

I haven't read much about the set or if this card has been confirmed. But the pixel quality and set symbol on this are incredibly low res, looks like a shop job to me (done by an amateur).

[Sylphnir]

I haven't read much about the set or if this card has been confirmed. But the pixel quality and set symbol on this are incredibly low res, looks like a shop job to me (done by an amateur).
Type "paliano" in this article (https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/293) and you'll get this image:

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/promotional/a84rgerig9u8/jkaskjldamnwsd9sdk2d_EN.jpg

I'd say that counts as confirmation. The set symbol really just looks that odd.

[Kayradis]

***pulling the Chinese Standstill out of the binder***