Bazaar of Moxen

[Einherjer]

As nobody will really answer to the thread in "Tournament Announcements + stuf" I thought I'd just open a thread here.

Who of you guys is going?

I'll be there with Phelix and Julian23, alongside a bunch of other dudes from Germany and Denmark.

Greetings

[kubalonek]

Also some people from Poland are going there :)
So see you!

[JamieW89]

I'll be there with three others (Lans89 is the only one who posts here I think).

[Phelix]

And as Always, a russian group is attending as Well, including loxmati

[Mr Miagi]

Anyone else notice how prizes are considerably worse then what they used to be, taking into account high entrace fee? I mean seriously prizes for modern are just godawul (ok, except first one will grease his mustache with BB Lotus), T16 is like.. not even covering the entrance fee.

[Phelix]

Prizes are infinitely better thanGPs. Also, expect prizesplit

[Sloshthedark]

Sadly I found out there's not enough people to fill a car so I can't get there and keep it economically reasonable =/

driving through Prague, anyone? ;)

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Sadly I found out there's not enough people to fill a car so I can't get there and keep it economically reasonable =/

driving through Prague, anyone? ;)

If you'll get there, then good luck, of course!
As usual, I'll abstain. Two of my co-workers are sick, it's an expensive trip, four days of nonstop MtG... maybe next time. :wink:

[Phelix]

Hitchhike?

[jamesh]

Anyone else notice how prizes are considerably worse then what they used to be, taking into account high entrace fee? I mean seriously prizes for modern are just godawul (ok, except first one will grease his mustache with BB Lotus), T16 is like.. not even covering the entrance fee.

I haven't looked at the prizes - but could the big jumps in card prices be partially to blame?

[Tylert]

The answer is YES for sure.
lot of cards are 50% more expensive (or higher) compared to last year...
Did they raise the entry fee by 50%? i guess not.

[blablub]

What about Coverage?
Video Live Stream?

Would be great if you have a link for me :)

[dsck]

There really isnt any video coverage this time?

[Quasim0ff]

There really isnt any video coverage this time?

There will be eng/fr stream all days. :)

[Anen]

Coverage here http://www.twitch.tv/bazaar_of_moxen starting tomorrow with round 3.

More here: http://www.bazaar-of-moxen.com/en/bazaar-of-moxen-coverage-bom9,24.html

[Lt. Quattro]

For those that thought starcity has bad commentary, you should hear some of this. I just tuned for game 3 of lands vs miracles and who is the commentator who suggested playing a second copy of dark depths to make a 20/20? :eek:

Then the same guy said why didn't he make the 20/20 and block on of the 2 4/4 angles when he was at 4 life.

I'm gonna guess that it wasn't Raphael Levy.

[nedleeds]

No. He's lost. Didn't understand Sphere of Resistance either, it's not his English which is fine he just doesn't understand Magic cards past maybe Wind Drake.

[conboy31]

For those that thought starcity has bad commentary, you should hear some of this. I just tuned for game 3 of lands vs miracles and who is the commentator who suggested playing a second copy of dark depths to make a 20/20? :eek:

Then the same guy said why didn't he make the 20/20 and block on of the 2 4/4 angles when he was at 4 life.

I'm gonna guess that it wasn't Raphael Levy.

The color guy thought 2x depths = 20/20, Raph corrected him. Raph was the one that made a joke about blocking. The color guy said he can't block, Rash deadpanned that of course he can block (though hes still dead, 2 4/4 angels vs. 1 20/20 @ 4 life). That said, sure commentary has been a little rough but reasonable. Also, IIRC both of these guys are fluent but not native english speakers.

[Lt. Quattro]

So in the shardless bug vs 4 color loam match one of them made a joke about wasteland saying "I'll get wasted later duuuuude" with what I'm guessing is an American accent. :laugh:

I take back what I said earlier, these are some funny guys.

[blablub]

Someone know what Wenzel is playin?

[Barook]

I missed the announcement. What does the Top 8 look like?

[Richard Cheese]

I missed the announcement. What does the Top 8 look like?

A bunch of white guys.

[Djoul68]

From memory, it is something like that:

Miracle vs Loam
Miracle vs BUG
DNT vs Loam
DNT vs Elves

[conboy31]

This is from their facebook:

Top8 BoM9 Legacy Main Event : Niklas Kronberger, Nick Steyns, Marcus Olsson, Meciek Berger, Wenzel Krautmann, Jean-Mary Accart, Johnnes Gutbrod, Tomasz Jablonski !

I had closed the stream before they covered the top 8 and the official website is not yet updated. Given the feature matches, Djoul68s list sounds about right.

[Griselpuff]

I assume bug is bug delver? One of the loam decks was 4 color loam. What about the other? And what is lejay on

[whienot]

Lejay is on Shardless BUG, not Delver.

[lyracian]

I missed the announcement. What does the Top 8 look like?

1 Niklas Kronberger
2 Nick Steyns
3 Marcus Olsson
4 Meciek Berger
5 Wenzel Krautmann
6 Jean-Mary Accart
7 Johnnes Gutbrod
8 Tomasz Jablonski

[conboy31]

3 UWR Miracles, 2 Death & Taxes, 1 Elves, 1 BUG Shardless and 1 4c Loam.

[nedleeds]

A bunch of white guys.

#wwa

[Philipp2293]

Top 8 Lists are up. Most interesting list is Krautmann's Death and Taxes which looks like a port of Modern D+T with the Ghoast Quarters and Leonin Arbiters.

[say no to scurvy]

I beg to differ...what about the Shardless Bug sideboard of 4 meddling mages, 1 leyline of the void, and NIGHT OF SOUL'S BETRAYAL.

[Megadeus]

I like the 4C Loam list. Kinda random I was just brewing up a Junk Loam list at work and now this...

[HammafistRoob]

No. He's lost. Didn't understand Sphere of Resistance either, it's not his English which is fine he just doesn't understand Magic cards past maybe Wind Drake.

*Elmer Fudd voice*

Hay, you oughtta weave da wind dwake oudda dis! Put 'em up, put 'em up!

[Anen]

Top 8 Lists are up. Most interesting list is Krautmann's Death and Taxes which looks like a port of Modern D+T with the Ghoast Quarters and Leonin Arbiters.

I can tell you Krautmann doesn't like people. 4 Thalia, 4 Spirit of the Labyrinth, 4 Revoker, 4 Leonin Arbiter, 2 Mindcensor. That is a huge amount of hate cards.

[Barook]

Top 8 Lists are up. Most interesting list is Krautmann's Death and Taxes which looks like a port of Modern D+T with the Ghoast Quarters and Leonin Arbiters.
I've recently seen lists like this occasionally pop up on MODO, probably due to budget issues, cutting the Ports.


I can tell you Krautmann doesn't like people. 4 Thalia, 4 Spirit of the Labyrinth, 4 Revoker, 4 Leonin Arbiter, 2 Mindcensor. That is a huge amount of hate cards.
You forgot to say that he runs a full set of 12 mana denial lands - Wasteland, Ports and Ghost Quarter - something the MODO decks didn't do so far.

At the very least, it's an interesting approach - pack all the format hate into the MD and fine-tune your deck with convential D&T cards after boarding.

[Griselpuff]

Actually, a list very similar to his was on MODO before this. It went 4-0. It might be him, who knows.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/230966

The MD is geared to having infinity stone rain effects, and beating down with chumps. I dislike playing only 3 Moms and 3 StPs due to the omnipresence of opposing StP and DRS.

If his list becomes popular, even Delver decks will start running basics, which will be hilarious.

[Barook]

Actually, a list very similar to his was on MODO before this. It went 4-0. It might be him, who knows.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/230966

The MD is geared to having infinity stone rain effects, and beating down with chumps. I dislike playing only 3 Moms and 3 StPs due to the omnipresence of opposing StP and DRS.

If his list becomes popular, even Delver decks will start running basics, which will be hilarious.
I've thrown together the list and played a few matches on MODO.

While I can see what he's going for, I don't like it since you have run suboptimal cards like SotL and Arbiter, even if the list might be strong.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Dude in our lgs plays 7 Strip Mines DnT. I played against it with Thresh few times and it's not that ugly. Then again he had so much bad luck one can't tell, moreover it's quite possible that I hit the window when he played fewer Quarters. No matter what, I never saw a single GQ in any of our games, and Thalia still dies to FB like she ever did.
I guess that if this becomes popular, things may turn grim, though.

[Barook]

Considering the heavy taxing and land destruction, the deck kinda reminds me of Stax, but without the suck.


Actually, a list very similar to his was on MODO before this. It went 4-0. It might be him, who knows.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/230966
Dredgemundo is from Brazil, so no, it isn't him and he isn't associated with Krautman in any way.

He's the creator of said list, though. By the looks of it, Krautman saw the list, liked it and then copied pretty much the same list, minus the minor land changes.

Maybe Krautman is one hell of a player to make this list work, or it is the real deal.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Two nonblue decks at the top of the standings? Not a single copy of Show & Tell, Delver of Secrets, Griselbrand or True-Name Nemesis in the top 8? What's this, the Twilight Zone?

[Rome]

YEAH! Aggro Loam at the First Place after the Swiss Rounds. The Deck is back! :wink:

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Two nonblue decks at the top of the standings? Not a single copy of Show & Tell, Delver of Secrets, Griselbrand or True-Name Nemesis in the top 8? What's this, the Twilight Zone?
Three UWr Miracles in Top8?
something something Terminus SDT BS b&r.


:tongue:

[Vicar in a tutu]

Three UWr Miracles in Top8?
something something Terminus SDT BS b&r.


:tongue:

:)

There are even more nonblue decks in the top 8 than there are blue decks. This was really weird. Where are the delvers? The general opinion is that BUG Delver is the best deck in the format along with Miracles. I really like this top 8. I'm rooting for one of the Loam-decks, even though I think Miracles is going to win. It would be fun if the D&T-deck with Leonin Arbiter, Spirit of the Labyrinth and Ghost Quarters won. I wonder if that would make arbiter, which is like 2$, spike to around 5$.

[Whippoorwill]

Lejay is in the finals with Shardless BUG against Aggro Loam.

http://www.twitch.tv/bazaar_of_moxen

Edit: Decklists:


BUG Shardless
Accart, Jean-Mary - BOM9 Legacy Main Event Top8
4 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Swamp
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Polluted Delta
1 Marsh Flats
4 Wasteland
4 Brainstorm
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Shardless Agent
3 Lilianna of the Veil
2 Toxic Deluge
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Sylvan Library
1 Tombstalker
4 Force of Will
4 Deathrite Shaman

Sideboard
4 Meddling Mage
1 Savannah
2 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Night of Soul's Betrayal
1 Null Rod
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Leyline of the Void
1 Notion Thief


4Color Loam
KRONBERGER, Niklas - BOM9 Legacy Main Event Top8
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Mox Diamond
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Punishing Fire
3 Life from the Loam
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sylvan Library
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Tarmogoyf
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Dark confidant
4 Verdant catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Urbog, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Horizon Canopy
2 Barren Moor
2 Tranquil Thicket
2 grove of the Burnwillows
1 Maze of Ith
2 Taiga
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland

Sideboard
2 Choke
2 Golgari Charm
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
3 Ethersworn Canonsit
4 Leyline of the void
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Anciant Grudge
1 Qasali Pridemage

[Barook]

Despite Niklas punting and missing the win early, that G2 was amazing. :eek:

[Vicar in a tutu]

Despite Niklas punting and missing the win early, that G2 was amazing. :eek:
Yes! Incredible game.

[lordofthepit]

Despite Niklas punting and missing the win early, that G2 was amazing. :eek:

One of the most entertaining games I have ever seen.

[Quasim0ff]

INSANE finals! Really well played by both players (for the most part...) Really pleased to watch this one! :)

[Anen]

WoW. Good games Niklas :)

[JDK]

Got banned permantently from the BoM Twitch Chat for saying "No offense, Tolki, but you need to step up your game", after he talked about how the Living End player needs to cycle for a fifth land, after he played his fifth and cracked it.

http://i.imgur.com/3q6ty2V.png?1

Grow the fuck up.

[Lemnear]

I honor BOM in France with a special Can-Can no one is prepared for! Epileptic warning!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-4u5L4um0c

[Megadeus]

Anyone have a linbk to where I can watch the finals? It sounds incredibly entertaining.

[Anen]

Anyone have a linbk to where I can watch the finals? It sounds incredibly entertaining.

As with every Twitch stream, go to http://www.twitch.tv/bazaar_of_moxen and then click the "Videos" button that is on top of the chat.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Got banned permantently from the BoM Twitch Chat for saying "No offense, Tolki, but you need to step up your game", after he talked about how the Living End player needs to cycle for a fifth land, after he played his fifth and cracked it.

http://i.imgur.com/3q6ty2V.png?1

Grow the fuck up.
I watched the screenshot and couldn't help but notice that the surname of the player to the left was "Fagot" and the player to the right was "Dickmann".

[PhanTom_lt]

Got banned permantently from the BoM Twitch Chat for saying "No offense, Tolki, but you need to step up your game", after he talked about how the Living End player needs to cycle for a fifth land, after he played his fifth and cracked it.

http://i.imgur.com/3q6ty2V.png?1

Grow the fuck up.

They might have misclicked when trying to ban the guy above you?

[JDK]

They might have misclicked when trying to ban the guy above you?

You immediately see which user you've banned, because their messages become "deleted". So when you ban someone and his messages are still there, but someone others got "deleted", you should know what you did.

[lordofthepit]

Got banned permantently from the BoM Twitch Chat for saying "No offense, Tolki, but you need to step up your game", after he talked about how the Living End player needs to cycle for a fifth land, after he played his fifth and cracked it.

http://i.imgur.com/3q6ty2V.png?1

Grow the fuck up.

I guess the trigger-happy ban policy for Modern encompasses more than just how the DCI treats Magic cards.

[Julian23]

The fabolous life of Niklas Kronberger:

He shows up to the BoM fully prepared for MODERN, almost gets thrown out of the hotel on the first night, then proceeds to take home the LEGACY trophy playing a Legacy list he threw together only a some time before the tournament.

Hooray for the #BoM Championship staying at our store. Munich/Nuremberg Legacy at its finest :cool:

[Higgs]

Only 1 blue deck in Top4.

[sdematt]

Only 1 blue deck in Top4.

My dream...

-Matt

[Aesir]

YEAH! Aggro Loam at the First Place after the Swiss Rounds. The Deck is back! :wink:

I like the deck, yet I was really surprised at this. Hopefully it starts putting up results again.

[JDK]

Levy unbanned me 5 min after PMing him. What a nice guy. :D

[Darkenslight]

Watching the Vintage now, and just 30 mins ago, Raph stopped a game to point out a somewhat major game infraction involving Sphere of Resistance, Revoker, Tangle, Waste with only 6 mana (including the Waste).

Raph Hulked out. :laugh:

[Anen]

Watching the Vintage now, and just 30 mins ago, Raph stopped a game to point out a somewhat major game infraction involving Sphere of Resistance, Revoker, Tangle, Waste with only 6 mana (including the Waste).

Raph Hulked out. :laugh:

You can add that this is now the second time today that the stream is offline because of a power outage.. It's not like it was the 9th edition of the tournament.

[sdematt]

You can add that this is now the second time today that the stream is offline because of a power outage.. It's not like it was the 9th edition of the tournament.

I guess French infrastructure is not so great?

-Matt

[Phelix]

Just arrived at cph airport after my flight home.


Thnx for super company everyone!

😍

[Phelix]

Also, the stream was viewable onsite, but only if you stood directly in front of the door to the site 😣


And it had no sound.


Staff was awesome however.

[Pippin]

Seems like the number for both Legacy and Vintage are quite lower when compared to last year or the year before. Talking about BoM in Annecy.

200 less legacy players, and around 100-150 less Vintage players. Though, I guess that Legacy wasn't a Friday event in past years which certainly didn't help

[Phelix]

I kinda felt like legacy got demoted this year, moved and replaced by modern.


And modern was promoted w. A BB lotus.



Legacy still had a respectable field imo.

[lordofthepit]

Seems like the number for both Legacy and Vintage are quite lower when compared to last year or the year before. Talking about BoM in Annecy.

200 less legacy players, and around 100-150 less Vintage players. Though, I guess that Legacy wasn't a Friday event in past years which certainly didn't help

I don't understand why they would make the feature event start on Friday. This isn't high school football.

[Anen]

Gwen winning the g3 of the finals after a mull to 5 and with only mana sources Mox Pearl and Black Lotus, 0 land for him this game (and his opponent Demonic Tutor twice btw). WoW !

[Megadeus]

Having the tourney twice a year now may cut into the number of people a bit at each event

[Lemnear]

Having the tourney twice a year now may cut into the number of people a bit at each event

... and it was in Annecy aka in the middle of nowhere. No Airport, less hotels, no nightlife, no sightseeing, less attractive overall

[Phelix]

at least we had wifi (at the house) some guy asked me in panic about the footie scores from two days ago.

indeed annecy, especially on a a school Holiday like this, is quite cut off from the World.

[Phelix]

as mentioned before:

https://www.facebook.com/BazaarOfMoxen/photos/a.556173444403042.1073741825.422517201102001/733338206686564/?type=1

[Pippin]

Having the tourney twice a year now may cut into the number of people a bit at each event

I remember seeing somewhere that there won't be a Paris BoM this year, so it's just the Annecy like in the past.

Also, I was only comparing Annecy BoM numbers, I disregarded the Paris one.

[infiniteJ]

So I just started watching the coverage and noticed an action that I see routinely in legacy (and in other formats, but more opportunities in legacy) and find distasteful. What are others thoughts on Kronberger's actions at 1min into the BOM match video between him and Jablonski here: http://www.twitch.tv/bazaar_of_moxen/b/525378367

-IJ

[Julian23]

@infiniteJ: What are you referring to? Niklas had priority in the end step first and chose to activate his Knight. Can you elaborate?

[infiniteJ]

I figured I'd be vague in case I am overreaching. It has to do with his shuffle actions.

[PirateKing]

@infiniteJ: What are you referring to? Niklas had priority in the end step first and chose to activate his Knight. Can you elaborate?

He activated Knight and then found a Wasteland and used it on a Tundra, in his end step.

[Koby]

... and it was in Annecy aka in the middle of nowhere. No Airport, less hotels, no nightlife, no sightseeing, less attractive overall

This times a million. For being a "resort town on a lake" it's far from accommodating to travelers on holiday. Bars closing at 9 PM on a Saturday nite with a crowd of 600 men eager to eat and drink? "NOPE we're closing for the nite"

[infiniteJ]

He activated Knight and then found a Wasteland and used it on a Tundra, in his end step.

Fine. I watched it a few times now. He moves a card (it appears he is unclumping two groves). Locates wasteland. Then closely inspects the rest of the order of his deck. Then he pulls out the wasteland. Does a quick two shuffles and presents. His opponent does not realize that his opponents deck is not random, and only does a simple cut. I understand that after a lot of magic, especially EOT, it's easy to shortcut, but why the card movement and inspection?

[Julian23]

Then closely inspects the rest of the order of his deck.

How do you know? To me it clearly looked like he stuck out the Wasteland as it was the card he initinally wanted to get, then goes through the rest of the deck to find out whether there's something he might have missed while thinking about the play; I do that a lot actually, especially when GSZ'ing. The two short shotgun shuffles afterwards are definitely not enough but it doesn't really worry me, maybe also because I know Niklas on a personal level though.

On another note, I finished 17th in the Vintage main event, so at least the weekend wasn't a total blowout for me, tournamentwise. Because I really really had a great time with the entire crew! Putting two guys in the Top8 and just enjoying ourselves in Annecy, I really love this tournament :smile:

I also had a longer talk with the main organizer of the BoM about costs, prizes and the future of the BoM. I will talk about it on Everday Eternal soon.

[infiniteJ]

How do you know? To me it clearly looked like he stuck out the Wasteland as it was the card he initinally wanted to get, then goes through the rest of the deck to find out whether there's something he might have missed while thinking about the play; I do that a lot actually, especially when GSZ'ing. The two short shotgun shuffles afterwards are definitely not enough but it doesn't really worry me, maybe also because I know Niklas on a personal level though.

On another note, I finished 17th in the Vintage main event, so at least the weekend wasn't a total blowout for me, tournamentwise. Because I really really had a great time with the entire crew! Putting two guys in the Top8 and just enjoying ourselves in Annecy, I really love this tournament :smile:

I also had a longer talk with the main organizer of the BoM about costs, prizes and the future of the BoM. I will talk about it on Everday Eternal soon.

Okay, I made an unfair assumption. I'm certainly not trying to witch hunt. I just see so many players unclump their deck during a search action. Why do this if you plan to randomize your deck?

-IJ

[schniggaz]

Fine. I watched it a few times now. He moves a card (it appears he is unclumping two groves). Locates wasteland. Then closely inspects the rest of the order of his deck. Then he pulls out the wasteland. Does a quick two shuffles and presents. His opponent does not realize that his opponents deck is not random, and only does a simple cut. I understand that after a lot of magic, especially EOT, it's easy to shortcut, but why the card movement and inspection?

Oh my god. Magic is such a tough game. I am happy if I am not doing many mistakes. Inspecting the order of my deck, remembering it and use it for my benefit, while shuffling nearly every turn with this deck, drinking way too much alcohol this weekend and sleeping 4-5 hours every night, that would be really impressive :D

Julian is right. I am looking through my deck most of my time, just to check if there is a target left that could be slightly better, than the one I was supposed to get. Doing only two short shuffles is probably not enough. You are right. Damn you, alcohol! :D

[TkDodo]

How do you know? To me it clearly looked like he stuck out the Wasteland as it was the card he initinally wanted to get, then goes through the rest of the deck to find out whether there's something he might have missed while thinking about the play; I do that a lot actually, especially when GSZ'ing. The two short shotgun shuffles afterwards are definitely not enough but it doesn't really worry me, maybe also because I know Niklas on a personal level though.


I also watched the video a couple of times now. At the beginning, I believe he clearly sees that two Groves are next to each other, so he decides do unclunk them. Afterwards, he pulls out a Wasteland and then, as you said, looks through to find if there is a play that he is missing, which has nothing to do with checking the order. He briefly stops at a couple of lands, which he doesn't unclunk (!!), and then proceeds to shuffle.
I don't see anything shady here, maybe just a little bit lazyness ;)
However, I also don't like people going through their deck and pulling apart cards of the same name/type/whatever, because that's definitely not a random theck that you present afterwards. I believe the proper cause of action, if you think that your deck is clunked or whatever is to shuffle properly afterwards. Then there's no guarantee that you parted those two Groves, but you did the best you could to randomize your deck.

[conboy31]

I believe he clearly sees that two Groves are next to each other, so he decides do unclunk them.

I agree with your thoughts on this phenomenon. Separating similar cards that are next to each other when searching is pointless and a waste of the limited time we have to finish a match. The magic deck has to be sufficiently randomized. The action of sufficiently randomizing a deck makes multiple copies of a card being next to each other or the act of separating the cards completely moot.

[infiniteJ]

I agree with your thoughts on this phenomenon. Separating similar cards that are next to each other when searching is pointless and a waste of the limited time we have to finish a match. The magic deck has to be sufficiently randomized. The action of sufficiently randomizing a deck makes multiple copies of a card being next to each other or the act of separating the cards completely moot.

I watched again. I don't think it was fair of me to say he was inspecting the order of his deck. I'm perfectly willing to accept that Kronberger inadequately shuffled by accident. With so much shuffling occurring, often times simultaneously and during a time crunch, it's easy for these things to occur.

Ultimately though, rearranging the order of your deck during a search action prior to shuffling is a bad habit and one that can and should invoke scrutiny.

-IJ

[conboy31]

I watched most of the legacy and vintage coverage and a few games of modern. I don't remember this particular incident and did not watch the replay. Was simply commenting on the illogical and impractical habit that some magic players have.

[nedleeds]

This times a million. For being a "resort town on a lake" it's far from accommodating to travelers on holiday. Bars closing at 9 PM on a Saturday nite with a crowd of 600 men eager to eat and drink? "NOPE we're closing for the nite"

The hospital was nice?

[Koby]

The hospital was nice?

Wouldn't know, but from what I hear the sidewalks are very comfortable!

[Phelix]

Pro Tip for future Annecy BoMs:

The Asian place was awesome. Ifinite wok, sushi and desserts.

Didnt close at 10 pm, and part of the clientele looked like awesome thugs from early 90s Hongkong gangstermovies.

[nedleeds]

Wouldn't know, but from what I hear the sidewalks are very comfortable!

In fact that's a common misconception. They actually cause multi-day concussion like symptoms. The good news is, if you are concussed for the Sunday Vintage ... you can always play workshops.

[nedleeds]

Watching some Vintage videos at lunch started with the first one.

"So the MUD deck doesn't play moxes?"

"What is Crucible for (when MUD deck has 2 wastelands in play)?"

Guy plays Crucible for 3 with his own Thorn out. His opponent then pays 1 for Thorn to force it ... acknowledging that he knows thorn is out but not calling a judge and thus cheating because he wanted a spell to force. all on camera.

[Richard Cheese]

... and it was in Annecy aka in the middle of nowhere. No Airport, less hotels, no nightlife, no sightseeing, less attractive overall

This begs the question, why is it in Annecy every year then?

[Julian23]

This begs the question, why is it in Annecy every year then?

Because :cool: :

http://i.imgur.com/N0GuQ6T.jpg

The Bazaar of Moxen Shop is located in Annecy. So while they are looking for new locations all around France, Annecy is part of the tradition of the European Eternal Community.

Here's a snippet of what I will have to say on the next episode of Everday Eternal: they are thinking about an additonal stop in Strasburg.
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[Richard Cheese]

Because :cool: :

The Bazaar of Moxen Shop is located in Annecy. So while they are looking for new locations all around France, Annecy is part of the tradition of the European Eternal Community.

Here's a snippet of what I will have to say on the next episode of Everday Eternal: they are thinking about an additonal stop in Strasburg.
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I mean I get that it's pretty, a lot of Europe is...just doesn't sound really convenient. At least it's not fucking Bruges I guess...

[nedleeds]

That movie was fucking fantastic. It is a gorgeous city, and looking at the lake on the 1.5 mile hike to the non air conditioned box it takes place in is pleasant but I'd rather it be in Barcelona or some other awesome non France city.

[Julian23]

Some pictures I took during out team's campaign at the Bazaar:

http://imgur.com/a/NaINF

[thecrav]

That movie was fucking fantastic. It is a gorgeous city, and looking at the lake on the 1.5 mile hike to the non air conditioned box it takes place in is pleasant but I'd rather it be in Barcelona or some other awesome non France city.

The exact city isn't nearly as big a deal to me as being able to fly directly in.

[Richard Cheese]

The exact city isn't nearly as big a deal to me as being able to fly directly in.

And yet, you missed GP Denver, which had a fantastic airport going for it!

Seriously though, they should prioritize ease of travel/accommodations over picturesque views and organizer proximity. Notice how StarCity Games doesn't just hold events in Roanoke? That's because Roanoke sucks, but it sounds like it's still got way more infrastructure to support something like this than Annecy.

Also, to us new-worlders, 90% of Europe looks like a fucking fairy tale anyway.

[Phelix]

I also noticed how starcity doesnt host regular events in paris, Amsterdam, Berlin or London - yet i can travel there from my local airport.


morale: while starcity events are nice for you, we are also quite happy that someone bothers to do events of this magnitude.

[nedleeds]

Working my way through the Vintage ... Gonzalez vs. Mosqrra ... oh my god the shops player is a cheating savage. He 'forgets' twice about his Sphere but doesn't say anything as his opponent mysteriously pays one more for his spells. The savage goes on to top 8. I'm sure he has friendly sphere going on all day off camera.

[nedleeds]

Best commentary

"What is this artwork supposed to represent?" (re: Mishra's Workshop)
"A workshop, people are working inside"

[Quasim0ff]

They are likely hosting two tournaments a year - The regular one in Annecy, and also the the winter edition in paris. That's at least what the organizers talked about, last november, when I went.

[Phelix]

paris is canceled this year, lack of venue

[Hof]

I agree with your thoughts on this phenomenon. Separating similar cards that are next to each other when searching is pointless and a waste of the limited time we have to finish a match. The magic deck has to be sufficiently randomized. The action of sufficiently randomizing a deck makes multiple copies of a card being next to each other or the act of separating the cards completely moot.
I see this all the time, and I think it gives those who practice it systematically a slight edge. I agree, it should be a moot point, and it shouldn't matter because the deck is randomized. The problem is that more often than not, the deck is insufficiently randomized afterwards, making this common and seemingly innocent little habit borderline cheating. The rules of the game clearly state that decks must be randomized when shuffling, and randomization is defined as bringing the deck to a state where no player can have any information regarding the order or position of cards in any portion of the deck. Now, say we crack a fetch and we find three fetchlands next to each other, and decide to seperate those three fetchlands while searching the deck for a land. We then proceed to find the land, shuffle loosely a couple of times, and present the deck to our opponent. STOP. What is the chance that our deck now has three fetchlands next to each other? Do we think that this chance is lower, or is it exactly the same compared to a completely random arrangement of the same cards? If we know the chance is lower, then we have some information about the order of cards in our deck that we are not allowed to have when we present a shuffled deck. It follows that we have cheated, by the definition of randomization. Is the chance lower? I don't know. It think it is lower, but it seems hard to prove.

[nedleeds]

Move it to Barcelona for the love of god. Please. Actual people. Actual food. Actual women. Actual beach.

[Julian23]

Don't take my word for granted yet, but I've got information on a big player planning to establish a huge private tournament in Barcelona.

[nedleeds]

Don't take my word for granted yet, but I've got information on a big player planning to establish a huge private tournament in Barcelona.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JeDE5fm72oE/UWL11oVsTpI/AAAAAAAAC7s/PtHrLqGNpw0/w888-h666-no/1229002006a.jpg

[Phelix]

Don't take my word for granted yet, but I've got information on a big player planning to establish a huge private tournament in Barcelona.

Oooh!

I will go.





http://www.tripadvisor.com/VacationRentalReview-g187497-d5615130-Villa_Barbara-Barcelona_Catalonia.html

[Barook]

Don't take my word for granted yet, but I've got information on a big player planning to establish a huge private tournament in Barcelona.
Why doesn't anybody try to establish a big tournament in Germany, e.g. in Munich or Berlin or another big city?

[Richard Cheese]

Why doesn't anybody try to establish a big tournament in Germany, e.g. in Munich or Berlin or another big city?

I'd love to visit Germany again, but I don't think I would be able to stop drinking beer and eating delicious meat products long enough to bother playing Magic.

[Megadeus]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JeDE5fm72oE/UWL11oVsTpI/AAAAAAAAC7s/PtHrLqGNpw0/w888-h666-no/1229002006a.jpg

I know this is our store, but I've never seen this guy. Lol who is he?

As for Europe, how would the Europeans in here feel about a star city like entity doing rounds about the region?

[Tanith]

I'd personally love to have regular tournaments on different regions every week, thought I don't how how bad can affect that to the staples' price if WotC doesn't make reprints.

[nedleeds]

I'd love to visit Germany again, but I don't think I would be able to stop drinking beer and eating delicious meat products long enough to bother playing Magic.

Well fuck ... that sounds like Eternal Weekend and the Reading Market in Philly ...

[humppa]

Why doesn't anybody try to establish a big tournament in Germany, e.g. in Munich or Berlin or another big city?

Maybe Frankfurt, Hanau?

[thecrav]

I'd love to visit Germany again, but I don't think I would be able to stop drinking beer and eating delicious meat products long enough to bother playing Magic.

Seconded, though I may not even find time for the meat products.

[Hopo]

Regarding European tournament serieses, a Finnish t-organizer Poromagia did last year a tournament series called Porotour. They had several larger opens with different formats, trials and an invitational over the year. The legacy open in Helsinki gathered around 100 players from (off the top of my head) 6 countries pursuing the 1000€ main prize. They are doing it this year as well and the Porotour Legacy is in Helsinki in September. The rest of the opens are listed on the site, which for some reason isn't yet available in English. http://porotour.blogspot.fi/p/turnaukset.html

Keep this in mind if you're looking for some international tournament play. It's not the largest tourney but everyone can help it grow and the potential is huge.

[useL]

Why doesn't anybody try to establish a big tournament in Germany, e.g. in Munich or Berlin or another big city?

Something about rules about gambling. The same reason why there are no GPs there.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

For a while I thought Prague is in Europe. (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27713-Prague-Eternal-2014!-Vintage-amp-Legacy-amp-Modern-July-4th-6th)

[Barook]

Something about rules about gambling. The same reason why there are no GPs there.
Googled it for a bit.

Apparently, aside from being 18+ (no problem here), entry fees are capped at 15€ to cover expensives and no money prices are allowed. That's what I've gathered from an old thread in 2010 on some forum.

[Lemnear]

For a while I thought Prague is in Europe. (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27713-Prague-Eternal-2014!-Vintage-amp-Legacy-amp-Modern-July-4th-6th)

Yeah, I have that one on my list as Martin PM'd me for that one

[Spike]

Anybody knows where you can rewatch the coverage of the legacy main event? Cant find it on their twitch channel ...

[easysantiago]

Anybody knows where you can rewatch the coverage of the legacy main event? Cant find it on their twitch channel ...

On MTGCoverage (http://www.mtgcoverage.com/index.php?formattype=legacy&SD=1).

[Spike]

Unfortunately theres also only the top8 coverage and nothing from friday