Khans of Tarkir:

[easysantiago]

As announced on Pro Tour Journey Into Nyx stream:
Theme: Mongolian; home of Sarkhan Vol.
Release Date: September 26th, 2014
Lead Designer: Mark Rosewater
Lead Developer: Erik Lauer
Size of sets: large, small, large.

As quoted from the stream, they are "bringing back something old that [we] have been asking for for a long time, and something new that [they] have never done before". Does the former mean Fetches? What about the latter?

[lyracian]

As quoted from the stream, they are "bringing back something old that [we] have been asking for for a long time, and something new that [they] have never done before". Does the former mean Fetches? What about the latter?
My prediction is Snow Lands, and some sort of Snow Dual (although probably not with basic types).

[Megadeus]

Hopefully storm gets reprinted as well as flanking

[Shawon]

Hopefully storm gets reprinted as well as flanking

Considering WotC dislikes the Storm mechanic, I doubt it. But if a Storm card were to be reprinted, I'd call Dragonstorm in set 3.

[Julian23]

They have stated that Storm was too much of a mistake to bring it back. Onslaught Fetches would be super awesome...and also show how reprints actually increase the prize instead of a card.

[Megadeus]

It was sarcasm. I guess I should have said banding rather than flanking

Mongols ride horses right? Money says horseman ship. That's like kind of a joke but I could see it

[kaiserruhsam]

People have been bugging rosewater about dragons in sets where they make no sense, like innistrad, and the response is that mouth-breathers looooooove dragons so goddamn much there has to be one in every set unless r&d has a good reason against.

All the dragons are dead = set without a dragon.

[Gheizen64]

As announced on Pro Tour Journey Into Nyx stream:
Theme: Mongolian; home of Sarkhan Vol.
Release Date: September 26th, 2014
Lead Designer: Mark Rosewater
Lead Developer: Erik Lauer
Size of sets: large, small, large.

As quoted from the stream, they are "bringing back something old that [we] have been asking for for a long time, and something new that [they] have never done before". Does the former mean Fetches? What about the latter?

SNOW lands GO.

Time to obsolete ABU duals.

[Megadeus]

People have been bugging rosewater about dragons in sets where they make no sense, like innistrad, and the response is that mouth-breathers looooooove dragons so goddamn much there has to be one in every set unless r&d has a good reason against.

All the dragons are dead = set without a dragon.

I'm sure there will be a "Thrun, the Last Dragon" or whatever.

[janluis1]

SNOW lands GO.

Time to obsolete ABU duals.

would love to see that and i reckon is a real possibility.
Would be a HUGE business movement by wizard bringing a lot of players back in legacy, woudnt damage the currently underpowered standard format and would give modern duals that they dont do damage to the controller.

[Megadeus]

Make them Legendary Snow DUals so they arent clear 4 ofs in modern

[Barook]

Snow duals don't work under the current definition of the Rerserve list, just like legendary Duals. Adding a subtype would work. But they're going to do jackshit in that regard anyway.

Rosewater & Lauer in the lead again? Oh boy, I sure can't hold my excitement after Innistrad and Theros! :rolleyes:

Fetches are still going to take a while to reprint, according to an interview at the end of April, so I doubt that could be it. New thing they've never done before? Probably another, glorified kicker variant. :rolleyes: Or other crap in the league of flip cards (see: Innistrad).

[Megadeus]

Introduce a rehashed mechanic with a new name. Strive (multikicker), Devotion (chroma)

[Roman Candle]

Based on the theme, maybe the new thing will be Walls tribal.

[Jon]

Banding, Rampage, Flanking, and Phasing! Lets GO! Also lets hope there are some sweet Humans in this set.

[Megadeus]

Based on the theme, maybe the new thing will be Walls tribal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afnJbdT4t5g

[TheArchitect]

I am fairly confident the "thing players have been asking for but MTG has been without", will be a wedge themed block. The set is a bottom up design, casuals get massive nerdrections for multicolored stuff and the art shown has a very clear BWR look to it; both the pallet and characters depicted look very BWR. All the evidence supports a wedge themed block.

Don't expect fetchlands, Forscythe recently said they will reprint them eventually, but not anytime soon.

For the "thing we have never done before", it probably has to do with the "unique block structure" which I don't know for sure what it entails, but the fact that there are no dragons on the plane anymore, but the last set is called Dragons of Tarkir makes me think there might be some sort of change from the normal chronological story telling. So, Dragons of Tarkir (and possibly the middle set, Warlords?) will take place BEFORE the events of Khans happens.

[Esper3k]

I am fairly confident the "thing players have been asking for but MTG has been without", will be a wedge themed block. The set is a bottom up design, casuals get massive nerdrections for multicolored stuff and the art shown has a very clear BWR look to it; both the pallet and characters depicted look very BWR. All the evidence supports a wedge themed block.

Don't expect fetchlands, Forscythe recently said they will reprint them eventually, but not anytime soon.

For the "thing we have never done before", it probably has to do with the "unique block structure" which I don't know for sure what it entails, but the fact that there are no dragons on the plane anymore, but the last set is called Dragons of Tarkir makes me think there might be some sort of change from the normal chronological story telling. So, Dragons of Tarkir (and possibly the middle set, Warlords?) will take place BEFORE the events of Khans happens.

For me, it makes more sense for them to reprint fetch lands whenever we return to Zendikar block (or whatever is left of it). Wedges would make sense to me for when we go back to Alara as well.

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World without dragons and has Mongolianesque tribes. Dragons return to the world. Big stuff happens. Where have I heard this before?

























We better be getting a Khal Drogo! :tongue:

[Barook]

For the "thing we have never done before", it probably has to do with the "unique block structure" which I don't know for sure what it entails, but the fact that there are no dragons on the plane anymore, but the last set is called Dragons of Tarkir makes me think there might be some sort of change from the normal chronological story telling. So, Dragons of Tarkir (and possibly the middle set, Warlords?) will take place BEFORE the events of Khans happens.
Or they just bring back dragons with a plot device - see Zendikar with the Eldrazi, Innistrad with the angels, or Mirrodin with the Phyrexians.

But all of those things are minor as long as they can/can't deliver a decent set/block.

[Grand Superior]

I am fairly confident the "thing players have been asking for but MTG has been without", will be a wedge themed block. The set is a bottom up design, casuals get massive nerdrections for multicolored stuff and the art shown has a very clear BWR look to it; both the pallet and characters depicted look very BWR. All the evidence supports a wedge themed block.


A wedge-themed block would finally give us official names for the wedges. I mean, I'm sure that BUG, RUG, and Junk/Rock would still be used but I think whatever names they give to the names of the WUR and WBR wedge Khans will stick.

[Meekrab]

When was the last time they printed Split cards? Do players ask for those? Just an idea.

[Sylphnir]

I think we'll see bushido with new coating in this block.
They hinted it for a while.

Snow would be cool though. No pun intended.

[thecrav]

When was the last time they printed Split cards? Do players ask for those? Just an idea.

RTR block?

[Megadeus]

A wedge-themed block would finally give us official names for the wedges. I mean, I'm sure that BUG, RUG, and Junk/Rock would still be used but I think whatever names they give to the names of the WUR and WBR wedge Khans will stick.

There are names for the Wedges.

[Esper3k]

I'm throwing my hat in the ring for the Tribal card type to come back.

[Meekrab]

Oooh on second thought it's clearly not a coincidence that Tarmogoyf and Tarkir start with the same letters.

[Megadeus]

Mongol
Creatures - Mongol
Cannot be blocked by Walls
Tap to rape target chinese language card.

3/3

[Jon]

Banding, Rampage, Flanking, and Phasing! Lets GO! Also lets hope there are some sweet Humans in this set.

[phazonmutant]

Based on the theme, maybe the new thing will be Walls tribal.

Already did that in Rise of the Eldrazi.

Horsemanship would be a sweet reboot, but seems unlikely they want to make a set full of psuedo-unblockable creatures. Even in Time Spiral they were smart enough to not push Shadow.

[Megadeus]

But we need rolling earthquake reprints!

[ScatmanX]

Banding, Rampage, Flanking, and Phasing! Lets GO! Also lets hope there are some sweet Humans in this set.
and Goblins. Please goblins...

[bakofried]

I'd laugh if they printed orcs. It'd be a sympathetic laugh; I used to run with Goblins. They do need some love.

[joemauer]

Something we have been asking for, for awhile now? We might finally be getting Force of Will and/or Wasteland. But it won't matter(this segways into the something new).


Something they have never done before? I bet they are going to make a new Super Nova Mega Ass Rare where you get one Super Nova Mega Ass Rare in roughly ever two booster boxes that you open. Such fan favorites such as Gofy, Force of Will, and Wasteland will be found at this new rarity.

[Mystic Snake]

What about full frame basics.

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[Bed Decks Palyer]

Wow, a Mongolian-themed block? Are you kidding me? For the first time since Future Sight, I may consider purchasing a display. Or... maybe even two, if the set will be nice.
Woolly ponies, cavalry archers, bronze helmets... my eyes get slanted even more! This could force my father to try the game!

"The open steppe, a clear day, and a swift horse under you, and a falcon on your wrist to start up hares."


Oh, and I like your ideas of what Khans may or may not bring back, but you're all wrong. It won't be snow lands, it won't be fetches, it won't be triples.
Old frame it'll be.

[Higgs]

Oh, and I like your ideas of what Khans may or may not bring back, but you're all wrong. It won't be snow lands, it won't be fetches, it won't be triples.
Old frame it'll be.

Oh man. I highly doubt this could happen but wouldn't it be sweet.

[Tokugawa]

Fow is too powerful to put into standard(modern). Maro had declared that many many times.
The same to wasteland.

[lordofthepit]

I hope this block has some epic flavor text:


From the King of Kings of the East and West, the Great Khan. To Qutuz the Mamluk, who fled to escape our swords. You should think of what happened to other countries and submit to us. You have heard how we have conquered a vast empire and have purified the earth of the disorders that tainted it. We have conquered vast areas, massacring all the people. You cannot escape from the terror of our armies. Where can you flee? What road will you use to escape us? Our horses are swift, our arrows sharp, our swords like thunderbolts, our hearts as hard as the mountains, our soldiers as numerous as the sand. Fortresses will not detain us, nor armies stop us. Your prayers to God will not avail against us. We are not moved by tears nor touched by lamentations. Only those who beg our protection will be safe. Hasten your reply before the fire of war is kindled. Resist and you will suffer the most terrible catastrophes. We will shatter your mosques and reveal the weakness of your God and then will kill your children and your old men together. At present you are the only enemy against whom we have to march.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut

[keys]

I hope this block has some epic flavor text:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut


That wikipedia entry is a wonderful read. Thanks for sharing.

[TheArchitect]

What about full frame basics.



This is actually already going to happen, just in judge promo form. Thanks Terese Nielsen!

https://www.facebook.com/TheArtOfTereseNielsen/photos/a.442042932523121.99824.423072597753488/700203970040348/?type=1&theater

[joven]

Mongolian. Wow, I would never guessed that this would be next.
I guess Flanking would make sense somehow.
Banding would be insane. :P
Horsemanship never made any sense flavorwise since it doesn't interact with Flying.

I don't like Large - Small - Large. I certainly hope they won't bring Eldrazi-shaped Dragons in the third set. But the theory to make the third set a prequel could be right.

Onslaught Fetchies would be nice, although Modern bustes all the prizes. But they are lacking in the Modern format, it seems incomplete without them.



For me, it makes more sense for them to reprint fetch lands whenever we return to Zendikar block (or whatever is left of it). Wedges would make sense to me for when we go back to Alara as well.


Onslaught Fetchies have not much to do with Zendikar. And I don't think we can go back to Zendikar. The Eldrazi destroyed it or whatever. It's a actually sad.
Wedges are not Shards! As far as I know wedges are the enemy color three color combinations. Also I don't think it would make sense to go back to Alara (at least not in the next 10 years).

[Megadeus]

This is actually already going to happen, just in judge promo form. Thanks Terese Nielsen!

https://www.facebook.com/TheArtOfTereseNielsen/photos/a.442042932523121.99824.423072597753488/700203970040348/?type=1&theater

I know what basics I'm playing when they come out assuming they aren't too expensive

[Barook]

Mongolian. Wow, I would never guessed that this would be next.
I guess Flanking would make sense somehow.
Banding would be insane. :P
Horsemanship never made any sense flavorwise since it doesn't interact with Flying.

I don't like Large - Small - Large. I certainly hope they won't bring Eldrazi-shaped Dragons in the third set. But the theory to make the third set a prequel could be right.

Onslaught Fetchies would be nice, although Modern bustes all the prizes. But they are lacking in the Modern format, it seems incomplete without them.

Onslaught Fetchies have not much to do with Zendikar. And I don't think we can go back to Zendikar. The Eldrazi destroyed it or whatever. It's a actually sad.
Wedges are not Shards! As far as I know wedges are the enemy color three color combinations. Also I don't think it would make sense to go back to Alara (at least not in the next 10 years).
They can jam fetchlands into whatever set they like. That's why the names are generic.

And Zendikar isn't destroyed, it's just currently overrun by the Eldrazi. Wizards wants to return to this world sooner or later, considering it's popularity. This year, we hit the 5 year minimum period of time that has to pass before they revisit an old world. I wouldn't be suprised if we got "Return to Zendikar" as the next block after Tarkir.

As far as fetchland prices are concerned - sure, the Onslaught fetchlands would initially go up, but let's not forget they would be reprinted en masse with a way larger print run than during the Onslaught days. In the end, they would settle lower than before as long as the print run is active.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Wedges are not Shards! As far as I know wedges are the enemy color three color combinations.

Aka, Blaka, Drega, Necra and the fifth one. Apocalypse, third set of INV block.

[TorpidNinja]

Aka, Blaka, Drega, Necra and the fifth one. Apocalypse, third set of INV block.

Ana, Ceta, Necra, Raka, and Dega.

[TsumiBand]

Aka, Blaka, Drega, Necra and the fifth one.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_H5K4HtmKSSM/TMLoCzteOfI/AAAAAAAAAfc/9HLvXSTURH4/s400/ghosts+Pac-man.jpg

I wouldn't mind some 'official' names for the wedges, in the same vein as the Alara Shards. I like the Apoc names, don't get me wrong, but whereas one is more likely to say "Bant Control" or "Grixis Storm" or whatever - those are more or less made up - we don't hear people labeling Delver builds by "Ceta / Ana" or what-have-you. They just haven't stuck. I tried googling around to see if those prefixes were relevant to the Invasion books, but I didn't find anything. Meh.

I had a guy at work telling me about the speculation surrounding this block. I would really dig seeing Flanking on some creatures, and I would especially love to see it trickle down to Eternal. Flanking, besides just being awesome because it is awesome, is tech vs all kinds of 1-toughness creatures that think they're hot shit - especially since it does not target and therefore cares none about protection. See my sig for brutal MWS example.

It also paves the way for one of my favorite tautologous Magic cards -- Cavalry Master! "Other creatures you control with flanking have flanking." OF COURSE THEY DO

I know I know, it stacks. It's just awesome. I wish more abilities worked that way, where more = better. It'd be like, if you could give something flying twice, and then creatures with one instance of flying couldn't block it any more, because they don't fly as well. Sucks to be you, Tombstalker! My White Shield Crusader has SEVEN INSTANCES OF FLYING. It's not even on my playmat anymore, it's all like ____-_

[Finn]

Ana: BUG
Ceta: RUG
Dega: This color combo has sucked for 21 years straight.
Necra: Junk colors
Raka: RWU (wish I had a pronouncable acronym or better yet, a stable manabase) colors


I kinda wish we could use these names instead of the stupid acronyms we are stuck with.

"Ana Control" replaces something like "Shardless BUG"
"Ceta Delver", I guess
"Dega Something" anything would be better than "Team Italia". In fact I hope this gets pushed for this reason alone.
"Necra Loam" or "Necra Lands" or something like that.
"Raka True Blade" => RTB: there...That many layers of extrapolation should successfully keep Legacy deck names completely incomprehensible to outsiders.

[TsumiBand]

Ana: BUG
Ceta: RUG
Dega: This color combo has sucked for 21 years straight.
Necra: Junk colors
Raka: RWU (wish I had a pronouncable acronym or better yet, a stable manabase) colors


I kinda wish we could use these names instead of the stupid acronyms we are stuck with.

"Ana Control" replaces something like "Shardless BUG"
"Ceta Delver", I guess
"Dega Something" anything would be better than "Team Italia". In fact I hope this gets pushed for this reason alone.
"Necra Loam" or "Necra Lands" or something like that.
"Raka True Blade" => RTB: there...That many layers of extrapolation should successfully keep Legacy deck names completely incomprehensible to outsiders.

Yeah sure, if they stick. They didn't the first time vOv

Also Dega not suck. Dega rad. Kaalia is Dega, and therefore wins. Plus I hear RWB Burn is a thing in Modern, because dumb stuff like Boros Charm and Bump in the Night and good burn spells.

[PirateKing]

Flanking & Provoke should return. Preferably on the same card.

[TsumiBand]

Flanking & Provoke should return. Preferably on the same card.

Indeed, this would apply a nominal amount of vegetable-based spread to my single serving breakfast confection. Though it usurps my preferred Sliver combo of Sidewinder Sliver and Hunter Sliver and/or Two-Headed Sliver.

Fortunately, the last "provoke as removal" guy they printed like was like a 2/2 with first strike for 4W, so unless they've gone entirely bat-shit they wouldn't put them on the same card. Be a lot cooler if they did though.

[Finn]

Creature - IH8Nemesis
1R
provoke
flanking
haste
When ~this~ enters the battlefield it deals 1 damage to target creature.
At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this creature.
1/1
---------------
That should make it big enough to kill an x/3, so not too narrow.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Yeah sure, if they stick. They didn't the first time vOv

Also Dega not suck. Dega rad.
Coincidentally... Dega Midrange (http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=13246&iddeck=97226)
Found that looking through rogue lists on TCDecks.
Looks like at least 1 person remembered. :laugh:

[Holly]

Creature - IH8Nemesis
1R
provoke
flanking
haste
When ~this~ enters the battlefield it deals 1 damage to target creature.
At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice this creature.
1/1
---------------
That should make it big enough to kill an x/3, so not too narrow.


And why would anyone want this over Bolt? Can't provoke Nemesis, can't provoke Mothers.. can't kill DRS (as long as there's a single land in any gy) etc.

[lordofthepit]

That wikipedia entry is a wonderful read. Thanks for sharing.

You're welcome. I enjoy doing a little "history surfing" on Wikipedia from time-to-time, and I thought that was really interesting.

[thecrav]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/m5nlD2CR7tI/maxresdefault.jpg

[danyul]

I hope this block has some epic flavor text:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut


That wikipedia entry is a wonderful read. Thanks for sharing.

This reminded me of a Radiolab segment. I don't want to give it away, but it's Mongol-related and very interesting.

Beware! Non-MTG content ahead!

http://www.radiolab.org/story/91519-genghis-khan/

[nedleeds]

Dega: This color combo has sucked for 21 years straight.


WUT?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/KXL3_9r5vKiTDdPqWwElHQEu7n0s9ygjNxh-DLHOewk=w1186-h709-no

I WILL FIGHT YOU.

[joven]

And Zendikar isn't destroyed, it's just currently overrun by the Eldrazi. Wizards wants to return to this world sooner or later, considering it's popularity. This year, we hit the 5 year minimum period of time that has to pass before they revisit an old world. I wouldn't be suprised if we got "Return to Zendikar" as the next block after Tarkir.


Well, I liked Zendikar, too, at least the first set and the explorer theme.
But I wonder how WotC want to do the return to Zendikar storywise. That the Eldrazi somehow lost interest and disappeared or that somebody/something defeated them or put them to sleep or what? Everything that comes to mind would be pretty lame.



As far as fetchland prices are concerned - sure, the Onslaught fetchlands would initially go up, but let's not forget they would be reprinted en masse with a way larger print run than during the Onslaught days. In the end, they would settle lower than before as long as the print run is active.

Well hopefully. Also, I hope the prices of the Zendikar Fetchies would fall as well since there would be more other fetchies available for Modern.


Ana, Ceta, Necra, Raka, and Dega.

Awful names.
I'd rather use the names of the Planar Chaos Dragons: Vorosh, Intet, Teneb, Numot, Oros.

[The Crow's Eye]

Rolling Earthquake reprint pls.:cry:

[Lord Seth]

Ana: BUG
Ceta: RUG
Dega: This color combo has sucked for 21 years straight.
Necra: Junk colors
Raka: RWU (wish I had a pronouncable acronym or better yet, a stable manabase) colors


I kinda wish we could use these names instead of the stupid acronyms we are stuck with.The standard "name" for UWR seems to be American. So, for example, UWR Delver gets referred to as "American Delver." Y'know, because Red/White/Blue are the colors of the American flag. Which, to be fair, can also easily apply to a number of other countries whose flags are those three colors, but I guess the US gets priority because that's where most of the players are.

Dega seems to be stuck with Dega, though.

Out of curiosity, what were the shard colors called before Shards of Alara came along? Or were there any real names for them?

[lyracian]

The standard "name" for UWR seems to be American. So, for example, UWR Delver gets referred to as "American Delver." Y'know, because Red/White/Blue are the colors of the American flag. Which, to be fair, can also easily apply to a number of other countries whose flags are those three colors, but I guess the US gets priority because that's where most of the players are.
Most players I know here call it Patriot not American; but then we are not in the US of A...

[ESG]

It was sarcasm. I guess I should have said banding rather than flanking

Mongols ride horses right? Money says horseman ship. That's like kind of a joke but I could see it

Mongolian Grill
4
Artifact
T, sacrifice a creature: Put 2 +1/+1 counters on each Human you control. If the creature sacrificed is a Goat, put an additional +1/+1 counter on those creatures.
1, T: If you have 3 or more Humans in play, put a copy of Mongolian Grill into play.
4, T: Gain control of target McDonald's.

[danyul]

Mongolian Grill
4
Artifact
T, sacrifice a creature: Put 2 +1/+1 counters on each Human you control. If the creature sacrificed is a Goat, put an additional +1/+1 counter on those creatures.
1, T: If you have 3 or more Humans in play, put a copy of Mongolian Grill into play.
4, T: Gain control of target McDonald's.

I wouldn't eat at that grill because the first ability doesn't read "sacrifice a non-human creature."

Who knows what they put in their fried rice.

Soylent Grill is people!

[nedleeds]

The standard "name" for UWR seems to be American. So, for example, UWR Delver gets referred to as "American Delver." Y'know, because Red/White/Blue are the colors of the American flag. Which, to be fair, can also easily apply to a number of other countries whose flags are those three colors, but I guess the US gets priority because that's where most of the players are.

Dega seems to be stuck with Dega, though.

Out of curiosity, what were the shard colors called before Shards of Alara came along? Or were there any real names for them?

Jund was 'Good Stuff' ... Naya was 'Zoo' ... but mostly people just sat down and played against each other not actually knowing the exact 75 of their opponent. It was pretty sweet. You also didn't have to respond to things like, 'Ah man you on Jund?' Sweet deck brah' the second you played a Badlands.

[Richard Cheese]

Jund was 'Good Stuff' ... Naya was 'Zoo' ... but mostly people just sat down and played against each other not actually knowing the exact 75 of their opponent. It was pretty sweet. You also didn't have to respond to things like, 'Ah man you on Jund?' Sweet deck brah' the second you played a Badlands.

I mean, I just put whatever shard I'm playing on my crispy visor, but maybe my opponent's aren't noticing since it's always on backwards.

Why can't we just go back to giving every deck a silly name with at best a tenuous relationship to the actual deck?

[lordofthepit]

I wouldn't eat at that grill because the first ability doesn't read "sacrifice a non-human creature."

Who knows what they put in their fried rice.

Soylent Grill is people!

Mongol warriors were known to be able to live off the land or to subsist from the blood of the mares they rode. Allegedly, in one campaign, they sacrificed one-tenth of their forces to feed to the remainder.

[TsumiBand]

You also didn't have to respond to things like, 'Ah man you on Jund?' Sweet deck brah' the second you played a Badlands.

To be fair, they could be playing Dega.

:|

[Megadeus]

I wish it were like that. Player played badlands and thought seize me. I cabal therapy him back and name goyf and hit two. Unfortunately probably 90% of the time, you can guess 70/75 of your opponents deck after their first land drop and first spell cast.

[big_ticket]

how about reprinting the old fetches,last couple of months its buzz speculating that card

[nedleeds]

Fuck it. All this degatalk. I'm playing dega this week.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_H5K4HtmKSSM/TMLoCzteOfI/AAAAAAAAAfc/9HLvXSTURH4/s400/ghosts+Pac-man.jpg

I wouldn't mind some 'official' names for the wedges, in the same vein as the Alara Shards. I like the Apoc names, don't get me wrong, but whereas one is more likely to say "Bant Control" or "Grixis Storm" or whatever - those are more or less made up - we don't hear people labeling Delver builds by "Ceta / Ana" or what-have-you. They just haven't stuck. I tried googling around to see if those prefixes were relevant to the Invasion books, but I didn't find anything. Meh.

I had a guy at work telling me about the speculation surrounding this block. I would really dig seeing Flanking on some creatures, and I would especially love to see it trickle down to Eternal. Flanking, besides just being awesome because it is awesome, is tech vs all kinds of 1-toughness creatures that think they're hot shit - especially since it does not target and therefore cares none about protection. See my sig for brutal MWS example.

It also paves the way for one of my favorite tautologous Magic cards -- Cavalry Master! "Other creatures you control with flanking have flanking." OF COURSE THEY DO

I know I know, it stacks. It's just awesome. I wish more abilities worked that way, where more = better. It'd be like, if you could give something flying twice, and then creatures with one instance of flying couldn't block it any more, because they don't fly as well. Sucks to be you, Tombstalker! My White Shield Crusader has SEVEN INSTANCES OF FLYING. It's not even on my playmat anymore, it's all like ____-_
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Ok, when there will be some pichurez from the new set? I'm pretty thrilled about it!

[johanessen]

Avalanche riders.

[Megadeus]

Fuck it. All this degatalk. I'm playing dega this week.

Dega tempo control value combo aggro?

[FTW]

Great Wall of Tarkir 4WW
Tribal Enchantment - Wall
Creatures without flying cannot attack.

Abonimable Snow Beast 3RW
Legendary Creature - Yeti Beast
Haste. Snow-covered landwalk. Phasing.
7/4

Elder Khan - 2RR
Creature - Human Soldier
Bushido 1, Flanking.
2/3

Angered Khan - 3GGG
Creature - Human Warrior
Rampage 7
7/7

Woolly Mammoth

[Megadeus]

Great Wall of Tarkir 4WW
Tribal Enchantment - Wall
Creatures without flying cannot attack.

Abonimable Snow Beast 3RW
Legendary Creature - Yeti Beast
Haste. Snow-covered landwalk. Phasing.
7/4

Elder Khan - 2RR
Creature - Human Soldier
Bushido 1, Flanking.
2/3

Angered Khan - 3GGG
Creature - Human Warrior
Rampage 7
7/7

Woolly Mammoth

Would 6 mana Moat be too strong for standard?

[FTW]

Would 6 mana Moat be too strong for standard?

LOLstandard.

I wonder at what mana cost Moat would be fair in Standard?

I would be shocked if they didn't print some kind of "great wall" in this set, even if just a defender that can block any number of creatures. But the Moat effect seems relevant for flavor. Or maybe a watered down version of Moat, like Island Sanctuary.

[Megadeus]

This is WOTC's coming out party for "fcuk the reserve list". Duals and Moats for everyone!

[ahg113]

Dega tempo control value combo aggro?

Team Italia?

[Tormod]

Dwarves

[ahg113]

Strong and red, and represented in Black with Balthor. Not sure what white brings to the table, but all of the walls will be dying, and some of the non-basics as well.

[TsumiBand]

Elder Khan - 2RR
Creature - Human Soldier
Bushido 1, Flanking.
2/3

I was *just* talking at work about how they should print Bushido and Flanking in the same set as major mechanics and then let the mewling masses eternally scratch their heads in confusion. Bravo

[Lord Seth]

Would 6 mana Moat be too strong for standard?Elspeth, Sun's Champion often feels like a 6-mana Moat that doubles as a win condition, so I don't think so.

[Megadeus]

Elspeth, Sun's Champion often feels like a 6-mana Moat that doubles as a win condition, so I don't think so.
Illness in the ranks laughs at your puny elspeth. Seriously that card seems totally playable.

[Lord Seth]

Illness in the ranks laughs at your puny elspeth. Seriously that card seems totally playable.It really isn't, at least not in Standard. The problem is that it doesn't do that much. It tends to hit only one card in any given deck that has a card that it affects and usually doesn't completely shut off that card (for example, Elspeth can just tick up, eventually ultimate, and then start up again with 2/2 flyers). If your opponent doesn't happen to draw Elspeth, then you boarded in a card that does nothing against their deck, and even if they did they still have a usage for her.

If I were looking for 1-mana anti-Elspeth tech, I'd much prefer Pithing Needle because it completely shuts off Elspeth, and it can deal with a Jace or Aetherling if that's the route they go.

[(nameless one)]

Goblins would be nice.

Land destruction would also be nice.

Goblin Settlers would be awesome

[SpeedOfDark]

For returning I'm going to say: battlecry.
It was hugely popular and fits well with a barbarian-esque theme.

For brand new, I think the wedge advocates might be on to something.

[Barook]

Another multicolor block right after RtR rotates out? That sounds rather unlikely - unless you count Lorwyn as multicolor block.

And battlecry was popular? :really: It's an okay mechanic in my books, but I think Exalted is more popular than that.

[SpeedOfDark]

Another multicolor block right after RtR rotates out? That sounds rather unlikely - unless you count Lorwyn as multicolor block.

And battlecry was popular? :really: It's an okay mechanic in my books, but I think Exalted is more popular than that.

Ok, Perhaps multicolour theme is not that likely.

Exalted May be a better mechanic and more popular, but battlecry is amazing in terms of flavour for this set.

[Richard Cheese]

Has anyone made the requisite Star Trek joke yet? I don't really feel like going through the rest of the thread.

[Timber]

Has anyone made the requisite Star Trek joke yet? I don't really feel like going through the rest of the thread.

Nope. Kinda disappointing.

[TsumiBand]

If you want a Star Trek joke, watch Into Darkness again.

[Richard Cheese]

Nope. Kinda disappointing.

Oh, well in that case:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsNJtnUb7c


If you want a Star Trek joke, watch Into Darkness again.

Implying I watched it at all.

[TsumiBand]

Implying I watched it at all.

Of course. I knew I liked you for some reason.

sent from phone, don't be a dick

[NeZ]

By the way, WotC/Hasbro trademarked a few names:

"Warlords of Khanar" - registered 9 September 2013
"Khans of Tarkir" - registered 14 February 2014
"Dragons Of Tarkir" - registered 21 February 2014
"Magic Origins" - registered 4 March 2014

The first one, Warlords of Khanar, seems like they went too far ahead of themselves and changed the name of the block later.

[joven]

By the way, WotC/Hasbro trademarked a few names:

"Warlords of Khanar" - registered 9 September 2013
[...]

The first one, Warlords of Khanar, seems like they went too far ahead of themselves and changed the name of the block later.

LOL, "Warlords of Khanar" sounds a lot like the game they play in "The Big Bang Theory" (which already had some nods towards TCGs like Magic). :D
And of course the name "Kanar" is also used for a cardassian beverage.

[TsumiBand]

LOL, "Warlords of Khanar" sounds a lot like the game they play in "The Big Bang Theory" (which already had some nods towards TCGs like Magic). :D
And of course the name "Kanar" is also used for a cardassian beverage.

Magic: Settlers of Catan

[easysantiago]

By the way, WotC/Hasbro trademarked a few names:

"Warlords of Khanar" - registered 9 September 2013
"Khans of Tarkir" - registered 14 February 2014
"Dragons Of Tarkir" - registered 21 February 2014
"Magic Origins" - registered 4 March 2014

The first one, Warlords of Khanar, seems like they went too far ahead of themselves and changed the name of the block later.

"Magic Origins" is clearly Reserved List reprints. :cool:

[Lord Seth]

"Magic Origins" is clearly Reserved List reprints. :cool:I think it's more likely to be the name of the movie they're working on.

[phonics]

Goblins would be nice.

Land destruction would also be nice.

Goblin Settlers would be awesome

When was the last time they printed viable land destruction, Zendikar?

[NeZ]

I have only one complaint about Khaaaans. And it's a doozy.

- 3 years after the Twilight movie and the hype revolving around it (2008), we get Innistrad in 2011. Both feature vampires & werewolves, although Innistrad is darker.

- 3 years after Game of Thrones becomes a thing (dispite the first book being released in 1996, it only became a real bestseller in 2011 when the tv series started) we get Khans of Tarkir in 2014. The Barbarian-theme & medieval looking scenery seem to be comparable...

Now, if you'll include the development time and the testing in the future future league, one might think they pretty much copied both series' success by theme-fitting Magic expansions.

[UseLess]

For some reason it seems quite unlikely to me that Wizards was trying to play into the hype around Twilight with MtG, unless everybody here seems to be big fans of the series and always longed for MtG inspired on well, that... I guess it's only a matter of time then before we get a set printed in black-and-white that's inspired on 50 Shades of Grey. I'm so excited!

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I have only one complaint about Khaaaans. And it's a doozy.

- 3 years after the Twilight movie and the hype revolving around it (2008), we get Innistrad in 2011. Both feature vampires & werewolves, although Innistrad is darker.

- 3 years after Game of Thrones becomes a thing (dispite the first book being released in 1996, it only became a real bestseller in 2011 when the tv series started) we get Khans of Tarkir in 2014. The Barbarian-theme & medieval looking scenery seem to be comparable...

Now, if you'll include the development time and the testing in the future future league, one might think they pretty much copied both series' success by theme-fitting Magic expansions.

I'm not exactly educated in pop culture, so what will be the 2017 block theme? :smile:

[HammerAndSickled]

If bookstore sales trends are any indication, it's going to be a Young Adult block with a mechanical focus on "kids with cancer."

[Dice_Box]

So up next, Hunger Games mtg style.

(I don't know enough about it to make a real joke. Don't live with my sisters anymore.)

[Megadeus]

I'm not exactly educated in pop culture, so what will be the 2017 block theme? :smile:

Titanic themed? So many shipzzz

[Megadeus]

So up next, Hunger Games mtg style.

(I don't know enough about it to make a real joke. Don't live with my sisters anymore.)
Lol. Empowered women with cross bows everywhere

[Quasim0ff]

Lol. Empowered women with cross bows everywhere
Like Elspeth?

:cool::cool::cool:

[Finn]

Not Hunger Games; Game of Thrones

http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/13/5807708/magic-the-gathering-movie-hires-game-of-thrones-writer

[conboy31]

http://imgur.com/vlDGinG
Not Hunger Games; Game of Thrones

http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/13/5807708/magic-the-gathering-movie-hires-game-of-thrones-writer

When I saw that it reminded me of Gladiator.

My history is a little fuzzy Cogman. But isn't Jace supposed to survive the battle of Carthage?

http://i.imgur.com/vlDGinG.png

[Malakai]

http://imgur.com/vlDGinG

When I saw that it reminded me of Gladiator.

My history is a little fuzzy Cogman. But isn't Jace supposed to survive the battle of Carthage?

http://i.imgur.com/vlDGinG.png

I've read this entire thread and I still don't understand this image, but this is my favorite thing on the internet now.

[NeZ]

Not Hunger Games; Game of Thrones

http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/13/5807708/magic-the-gathering-movie-hires-game-of-thrones-writer

Isn't Khans of Tarkir influenced by Game of Thrones in the first place?

It's not like we don't have a Sword of George R. R. Martin (http://magiccards.info/scans/en/mma/216.jpg) already.

[nevilshute]

When can we expect spoilers to start? I'm dying to see if we're getting fetch reprints :smile:

[Sylphnir]

When can we expect spoilers to start? I'm dying to see if we're getting fetch reprints :smile:
Spoiler season will probably start around last august week.
That is if they don't let some cards "slip" into M15 or something.

[Mystic Snake]

Isn't Khans of Tarkir influenced by Game of Thrones in the first place?

It's not like we don't have a Sword of George R. R. Martin (http://magiccards.info/scans/en/mma/216.jpg) already.
Well Innistrad was arguably influenced by twilight so...

[the Thin White Duke]

I'm not exactly educated in pop culture, so what will be the 2017 block theme? :smile:

The Breaking Bad Block.
"Somwhere in a far away plane, an outcast mage toils in his mobile conveyance in search of the perfect cook of his witch's brew. Who needs a spark when you can get the ultimate high and travel to your own special plane?"

[Barook]

The Breaking Bad Block.
"Who needs a spark when you can get the ultimate high and travel to your own special plane?"
http://www.spielraum.co.at/Images/Turniere/Magic/HereIRule.jpg

Gives the slogan an entire new angle.

[Humphrey]

i want threshold back

[kirkusjones]

the breaking bad block.
"somwhere in a far away plane, an outcast mage toils in his mobile conveyance in search of the perfect cook of his witch's brew. Who needs a spark when you can get the ultimate high and travel to your own special plane?"

"No! I am the one who taps!"

[Bobmans]

Flagstones of Trokair, Shade of Trokair. Those fit the theme.

[Barook]

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/130/367/635419807953803727.jpg

Orcs are back and Khans looks more and more like it's going to have Wedges as theme.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtflrlMCEAAa_cd.jpg

Oh boy, I sure can't wait for Sultai Delver vs Temur Delver on the SCG coverage! :rolleyes:

Edit: Morph is also back.

[from Cairo]

A wedge-themed block would finally give us official names for the wedges. I mean, I'm sure that BUG, RUG, and Junk/Rock would still be used but I think whatever names they give to the names of the WUR and WBR wedge Khans will stick.

Apocalypse did already, none of them stuck...

BUG = Ana; see: Ana Disciple, Ana Sanctuary, Anavolver
RUG = Ceta; see: Ceta Disciple, Ceta Sanctuary, Cetavolver
WBR = Dega; see: Dega Disciple, Dega Sanctuary, Degavolver
WUR = Raka; see: Raka Disciple, Raka Sanctuary, Rakavolver
GBW = Necra; see: Necra Disciple, Necra Sanctuary, Necravolver

[Barook]

Mardu sounds nice. I don't think Abzan is going to stick. Temur is so-so. Sultai is meh. Jeskai sounds horrible.

And it's not like all Shard names stuck really well, despite SCG trying to force them.

Jund, Bant and Esper worked out well. Grixis is so-so. Nobody likes Naya.

[Lemnear]

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/130/367/635419807953803727.jpg

Orcs are back and Khans looks more and more like it's going to have Wedges as theme.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtflrlMCEAAa_cd.jpg

Oh boy, I sure can't wait for Sultai Delver vs Temur Delver on the SCG coverage! :rolleyes:

Edit: Morph is also back.

What is this shit? Wedges again? Just this time with Enemy colors?

Because Patriot Delver and BUG Delver need a push ... Pardon Jeskai Delver and Sultai Delver in SCG Jargon *eyesroll*

Edit: Maybe The Rock or Dark Maverick get new toys :/

[bakofried]

See, as much as I'm not looking forward to new wedge names, it could mean GBW gets new toys. And I really doubt they'll push BUG decks much more... But you never know.

So what will each wedge do? If morph is back, that could mean some kind of blink effect might be pushed in, say, Patriot colors.

RWU: Blinking effects
URG: Fuck if I know.
BGW: Graveyard shenanigans? Better discard?
GBU: Fuck if I know.
WRB: Haste? Combat abilities?

We should start looking at cards that were seeded in M15 and unexplored themes from Theros block. Centaurs? Dragons? Just throwing shit out there.

Charms, maybe? Any thoughts on those?

[Barook]

See, as much as I'm not looking forward to new wedge names, it could mean GBW gets new toys. And I really doubt they'll push BUG decks much more... But you never know.

So what will each wedge do? If morph is back, that could mean some kind of blink effect might be pushed in, say, Patriot colors.

RWU: Blinking effects
URG: Fuck if I know.
BGW: Graveyard shenanigans? Better discard?
GBU: Fuck if I know.
WRB: Haste? Combat abilities?

We should start looking at cards that were seeded in M15 and unexplored themes from Theros block. Centaurs? Dragons? Just throwing shit out there.

Charms, maybe? Any thoughts on those?
Didn't think about Charms, but they're defintely something they're not going to leave out.

Jeskai is obviously about artifacts since all colors have relationships with artifacts and fits with the artifact subtheme of M15. It's basically another spin on Esper.

I think one of the wedges has a token theme, either Mardu or Abzan.

Walls are also pretty prominent in M15, so it could be a subtheme:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afnJbdT4t5g

Not sure about the rest.

[Megadeus]

Mardu sounds nice. I don't think Abzan is going to stick. Temur is so-so. Sultai is meh. Jeskai sounds horrible.

And it's not like all Shard names stuck really well, despite SCG trying to force them.

Jund, Bant and Esper worked out well. Grixis is so-so. Nobody likes Naya.

Naya is the only one that didn't really stick with me. The others I remember fairly easily

[Dice_Box]

I am going to bet good money that RUG and BUG Delver keep their titles as is. The names are just too ambiguous.

[TsumiBand]

See, as much as I'm not looking forward to new wedge names, it could mean GBW gets new toys. And I really doubt they'll push BUG decks much more... But you never know.

So what will each wedge do? If morph is back, that could mean some kind of blink effect might be pushed in, say, Patriot colors.

RWU: Blinking effects
URG: Fuck if I know.
BGW: Graveyard shenanigans? Better discard?
GBU: Fuck if I know.
WRB: Haste? Combat abilities?

We should start looking at cards that were seeded in M15 and unexplored themes from Theros block. Centaurs? Dragons? Just throwing shit out there.

Charms, maybe? Any thoughts on those?
One of the things about Alara was that shards were defined in early design more by what they *can't* do than what they *can*. With Ravnica its elementary to make individual guilds, but force a third color and suddenly it's a lot less clear where the playground for a wedge/shard lives until you know what they are limited in. I can only assume that wedges make this a tricky game to play.

Like IMHO, a card like Kaalia of the Vast makes itself RWB by virtue of its tribal synergies and that the Lackey ability is on 2/3rds of its colors. That's fine as a standalone effect but it doesn't say much about the RWB 'ethos'. By looking at its lack of GU we know that it would not be strong in permanence; no land-based accel, not probably draw without discard. It would not be brooding or deliberate; it would not play a strong long game. It would not lend itself to hardiness or resilience.

None of that suggests much in the way of mechanics, but it gives some top-down insight into what that wedge could possibly embody.

[HammafistRoob]

I am going to bet good money that RUG and BUG Delver keep their titles as is. The names are just too ambiguous.

Except for the fact that their names aren't RUG Delver and BUG Delver.

[menace13]

Except for the fact that their names aren't RUG Delver and BUG Delver.
These new kids. They know nothing.

[Dice_Box]

Except for the fact that their names aren't RUG Delver and BUG Delver.

I can call it Canadian Thresh the if you really want me too, but I think that's kind of an unnecessary point now. The given name for the BUG/RUG wedges is commonly agreed on to the the three letter abbreviations. I just don't see them going away.

[TsumiBand]

Calling modern Delver decks "Thresh" is an insult to Mystic Enforcers everywhere.

[Dice_Box]

Haha. Ah fuck it. This is Legacy, I mean come we still call GB decks "Rock" and it's been ten years since all the cards in the original became obsolete. Names don't mean much in this format, that said, I stand by my statement. These Wedges will not replace BUG and RUG as commonly used titles.

[kirkusjones]

I know this is coming from Magical Christmas Land, but anybody think we could see a reprint or repackage of Imperial Recruiter in this block?

[Barook]

I know this is coming from Magical Christmas Land, but anybody think we could see a reprint or repackage of Imperial Recruiter in this block?
If anything, it would be white in today's color pie. But I fail to see the connection between wedges and Recruiter.

Of course RUG and BUG are going to stay because a) rug and bug are also real words that are easy to use and b) the replacements sound stupid.

I doubt Abzan can win against Junk, although I always see a problem that it almost sounds like Jund. Jeskai is probably the worst name out of the bunch.

Mardu might stick, simply because Team Italia to describe a R/W/B deck feels kinda stupid.

[Bertrand Hustle]

I know this is coming from Magical Christmas Land, but anybody think we could see a reprint or repackage of Imperial Recruiter in this block?

I was thinking about this as well, but you know that Wizards PROBABLY won't. We can always hope though.

[Lord Seth]

If anything, it would be white in today's color pie. But I fail to see the connection between wedges and Recruiter.I don't think the connection is with wedges, just the general idea of the block being around warlords and armies, which an "Imperial Recruiter" could fit into.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

I have a couple buddies that will be pretty angry if Recruiter gets a reprint.

[Finn]

I bought em last month. Don't recruiters feel like a mistake though? Power<3 just does not seem like a precise power limitation....too arbitrary. Also, red does not get search at all. Just Gamble really. And Wild Research. I have to believe that this card is not on the short list of cards to reprint.

[btm10]

Wild Research is in RWU...

[Aggro_zombies]

I bought em last month. Don't recruiters feel like a mistake though? Power<3 just does not seem like a precise power limitation....too arbitrary. Also, red does not get search at all. Just Gamble really. And Wild Research. I have to believe that this card is not on the short list of cards to reprint.
Both of those cards are old, though. The color pie has since shifted away from these kinds of things.

Recruiter today would almost certainly be white, and would likely track CMC rather than power. I could see them doing Ranger of Eos Jr. or something along those lines.

IIRC they said the RUG wedge was going to be midrange/"big creature" themed, so it's unlikely it'll have much impact on tempo decks in Legacy. BUG was supposed to be about "resource manipulation," whatever that means, but I think it bodes better for Legacy-quality cards given that mana costs in this format are historically quite low.

My guess is that the wedges are as follows:

RUG: Midrange with a Big Spells focus, likely feeling like a cross between an Animar and a Maelstrom Wanderer EDH deck.
BUG: Zone changes. These colors specialize in graveyard interactions, self-mill, and hand size manipulation. I could see some serious card advantage spells residing here.
WUR: Possible focus on chaos/trickery, using something like Ruhan of the Fomari as a precedent.
BWG: This one is supposed to get a long-game mechanic, and life gain appears prominently in all three colors. This is likely our grind-'em-out wedge.
WBR: If this isn't an obvious weenie aggro wedge, I don't know what is.

Also, bear in mind that Khans the set is wedge-themed, but they said the block as a whole isn't. This likely ties in with the way the block will be drafted (the small middle set will be drafted with both large sets in a LRG-LRG-SML arrangement and will probably act as a bridge between themes). My guess is that the large fall set is wedge-themed, the small middle set focuses on two-color pairs, and the spring large set encourages mono-colored play.

[Barook]

Recruiter today would almost certainly be white, and would likely track CMC rather than power. I could see them doing Ranger of Eos Jr. or something along those lines.

...

Also, bear in mind that Khans the set is wedge-themed, but they said the block as a whole isn't. This likely ties in with the way the block will be drafted (the small middle set will be drafted with both large sets in a LRG-LRG-SML arrangement and will probably act as a bridge between themes). My guess is that the large fall set is wedge-themed, the small middle set focuses on two-color pairs, and the spring large set encourages mono-colored play.
Mentor of the Meek says otherwise. White does care about low power.

Isn't the block structure a bit like Zendikar? First land-themed, then ramp/monocolor?

[Vicar in a tutu]

I think it's very unlikely that Imperial Recruiter gets a reprint in a normal set. Wizards cares about secondary market prices (there was no reason for Tarmogoyf to be mythic in Modern Masters, the card could have been rare and the limited format would not have been noticeably affected). The judge foil-reprint of Recruiter was appropriate. I don't see it being reprinted again for a long time.

[Dice_Box]

What is the desire for Recruiter anyway? It's only really played in one deck.

On the topic of a reprint, I highly doubt that they will print a tutor like that. Throw it into modern... Yea. Not likely.

[Finn]

There is no other card that does what it does. It is aggressively costed. It is out of color. It has the oldest style of limitation (power), which means it can be manipulated better.

What is not to like?

[TsumiBand]

I'm kind of stoked to be seeing a bunch of Orcs though. Sometimes I look at a block and I'm like "hunh, look at all these fucken Humans. wheeee." I kinda like it when there's some of those classic fantasy creature types running around. Orcses!

[thecrav]

Edit: Morph is also back.


Morph was in Onslaught

Fetches were in Onslaught

Half Life 3: CONFIRMED

[Barook]

Morph was in Onslaught

Fetches were in Onslaught

Half Life 3: CONFIRMED
They could easily troll us and give us Wedge fetches that only fetch basic lands instead of duals.

I'm also interested to see if the get another mana dork, Noble Hierarch-style.

Let's just not hope that it's another Commander block with lots of overcosted crap.

[TsumiBand]

Yeah there are a bunch of one-offs that could come out of such a set. Shards of Alara had 3-color taplands and those goofy fetches that ask for mana to get basics.
Then again, I know a cycle of Murmuring Bosks is a common request re: fetch-compatible mana fixing. That's a bit of a high-hope I think, but personally I'd flip my shit if they did such a thing (with or without the tribal angle)

[Bertrand Hustle]

I have a couple buddies that will be pretty angry if Recruiter gets a reprint.
It's not even RL, perhaps they should diversify their assets or invest more intelligently. Nobody said Magic was a good long term investment strategy. While I may have a deal of expensive cards, my liquid assets and other invesetments are not cardboard.
As a side note, I'm not even saying it will get a reprint, because the secondary market essentially controls Wizards at this point.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Card store owners everywhere would like a word...

[TheInfamousBearAssassin]

Except for the fact that their names aren't RUG Delver and BUG Delver.

[Bertrand Hustle]

Card store owners everywhere would like a word...
You obviously didn't read the second part of my post. Good job.

It's not even RL, perhaps they should diversify their assets or invest more intelligently. Nobody said Magic was a good long term investment strategy. While I may have a deal of expensive cards, my liquid assets and other invesetments are not cardboard.
As a side note, I'm not even saying it will get a reprint, because the secondary market essentially controls Wizards at this point.

[Zupponn]

Morph, eh?

I totally want this card:

Dude Man - 2W
Morph {0}
2/2

[Meekrab]

Morph, eh?

I totally want this card:

Dude Man - 2W
Morph {0}
2/2
Greyest Ogre

[joven]

First: Jund and Naya ok - Esper, Bant, Grixis I don't like (as names)

I guess the new wedge names are too exotic to stick.


WBG: graveyard matters - There were some cards that cared about the number of creatures in the graveyard in Theros Block and M15. Not really new, it's the same as in Innistrad so far. A good and innovative graveyard mechanic would be cool though.

WBR: aggressive combat stuff - maybe a dark Boros

URG: artifact matters (again!) - maybe some twisted Esper (There was this strong artifact subtheme in M15.)

WUR: ??? EDIT:auras?? (M15 Brood Keeper and synergy with Theros stuff)

UBG: ??? EDIT:tokens??

EDIT:URG and WUR could also be switched!?


They will probably do a lot of the stuff they did in Shards of Alara for the shards: charms, taplands, panoramas, ... At least everyone will expect that.

Because of the wedge theme there will probably be a lot of commander stuff in this block.
I also guess that there might be a lot of legends like in Kamigawa and Three Kingdoms.
That orcs are back could be interesting for red depending on how their new design will be.
And still hoping for Onslaught fetchies.

[TsumiBand]

I kinda want the UBG ability to be called "Swamp-Ass". Doesn't matter what it does. UBG suggests an 'actual' bayou setting pretty hard. The whole wedge should be Creole as fuck.

[thecrav]

I kinda want the UBG ability to be called "Swamp-Ass". Doesn't matter what it does. UBG suggests an 'actual' bayou setting pretty hard. The whole wedge should be Creole as fuck.

Crawdaddy :1:
Creature - Crayfish 1/1
Sacrifice Crawdaddy: Target creature gains "R: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn" until end of turn.

[nedleeds]

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/fe/132.jpg

Nice plains miracle guy. Nice Disenchant also.

It's all hype, the Orcs will be fucking terrible just like Theros promised Minotaurs and we got a giant crusty bucket of cat shit. Zero playable eternal horned bull men. It's like they actually read my posts and do the opposite.

[T-101]

Really hoping for some sweet Doran (BWG) colored stuff.

Maybe a Doran Elf? G - 0/1 - Elf Druid - TAP: Add B/W/G to your mana pool. Perhaps some Wedge mechanic tie-in, a la Noble Hierarch.

I really like Modern Junk, but it feels like its missing something now. After I upgraded Birds to Deathrite, its very hard to go back to Birds even though Deathrite is banned.

Also hoping for a quality 2-3 drop creature that could potentially see Legacy play. Goyf, Bob, Stoneforge, Knight, Doran, Smiter... they get old after a while, it'd be nice to get a new toy.

Would it be too much to ask for Pernicious Deed in Modern?

[nedleeds]

What's wrong with Dega? Everyone I know calls it Dega. Necra is Junk. Ceta is RUG. Ana is BUG. Don't think they'll shift everyone to a bunch of arbitrary tribe names ... but they probably paid $100K to a focus group to come up with their setting crap.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Raiding Party
So... Quinton Hoover really liked drawing male characters in thongs huh?

Wrath of God is probably the best known for this.
Balduvian Shaman is a side view, but still... :eyebrow:

[HSCK]

What's wrong with Dega? Everyone I know calls it Dega. Necra is Junk. Ceta is RUG. Ana is BUG. Don't think they'll shift everyone to a bunch of arbitrary tribe names ... but they probably paid $100K to a focus group to come up with their setting crap.

What's wrong with having a new set that was designed around wedges and had names created for flavor?

[Dice_Box]

Nothing I guess, but it's going to be rough thing to get a group of people whom still call a colour set Rock (even all these years later) to switch to these new names.

[HSCK]

I mean people will never have to, but there are official wedge names now that will probably grow in usage over time.

[lyracian]

They could easily troll us and give us Wedge fetches that only fetch basic lands instead of duals.
I would love it if they gave us a new Fetch land that can get UNTAPPED basic lands.


I mean people will never have to, but there are official wedge names now that will probably grow in usage over time.
Naya and Jund took of well I am sure we will here people talking about there "Jet-Ski Deck" and "Sultan Deck" as time goes by! :laugh:

[joven]

I just watched the Magic Panel from ComicCon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S3_oYCnBak

It seems they interpreted the wedges differently than well at least I thought. Instead of taking a color and both enemy colors of it, they say they take one color and one of its allied colors and then the enemy of both. It's an interesting approach. First you can interpret and weight the color combinations differently and secondly there are more combinations to do (probably in the future -> MaRo saves himself some design space).
Oh, and just the first set of the block will be about the wedges!

Also, every clan stands for one dragon aspect.

Abzan W-GB Endurance - Desert Warriors - slow control / late game mechanic
Jeskai U-WR Cunning - Martial Art Monks - outsmart / mislead opponent
Sultai B-UG Ruthlessness - Necromancers? - "do whatever it takes" / manipulate resources?
Mardu R-BW Speed - Mountain Barbarians? - Aggressive overrun
Temur G-RU Savagery - Survivors - Might (giant creatures)

There will be some new creature types and some renewed creature types. We already knew that Orcs will return. There seem also be some kinds of Birds, Wolfman, Cat Demons, Naga and maybe more. Interesting: Djinns and Efreets will return in some new fashion.

The Morph mechanic will return as general mechanic. Additionally there will be 5 clan mechanics. (I have to say I don't like Morph much.)

They say there will be a total of 40 prerelease promo cards, 8 for each clan. So if I understand it correctly you get one out of eight from your chosen clan.

[T-101]

They say there will be a total of 40 prerelease promo cards, 8 for each clan. So if I understand it correctly you get one out of eight from your chosen clan.

Maybe your pre-release packs will contain 8 guaranteed cards, instead of the 1 we usually get.

Being that this is a 3-color set, I suspect that there will be 'Wedge Lands', like Arcane Sanctuary/Crumbling Necropolis, but for wedges. 3-color can super hard to make work in limited formats, so maybe a guaranteed Wedge Land, and a guaranteed Terramorphic Expanse or something.

[nedleeds]

What's wrong with having a new set that was designed around wedges and had names created for flavor?

Because they already gave it a name. Why change it to something WoW-y? This game is more and more about the average video game monkey than an actual game with playable eternal cards. This isn't MTG salvation or casual players.org. It's a site for an eternal magic format.

[T-101]

Because they already gave it a name. Why change it to something WoW-y? This game is more and more about the average video game monkey than an actual game with playable eternal cards. This isn't MTG salvation or casual players.org. It's a site for an eternal magic format.

A name is only a name. You can keep calling your BWR deck 'Dega' or 'Team Italia' if you want, and laugh at all the casual noob scrubs who haven't been playing since 1992 pre-alpha.

I think the new wedge names are sorta cool actually. And names don't even matter. They could print a new 5/6 for 2 mana and call it, "Big fuzzy happy fun-time teddy bear," and I'll play it.

[HSCK]

Because they already gave it a name. Why change it to something WoW-y? This game is more and more about the average video game monkey than an actual game with playable eternal cards. This isn't MTG salvation or casual players.org. It's a site for an eternal magic format.

What are you talking about? Whether or not people will use it here is irrelevant as to why they were given names for a new set, what kind of absurd logic is that?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

They should name all of them Bruce.

Do the Khans have the same design as M15? I cannot swallow the info text on the bottom of cards, it's like reading a composition of average Czech sausage: soya, E123/259, beechwood sawdust.

[AggroControl]

If they print snow duals or snow fetches they really need to reprint Scrying Sheets as well or we will have another $400 set of lands to acquire.

[TsumiBand]

If they print snow duals or snow fetches they really need to reprint Scrying Sheets as well or we will have another $400 set of lands to acquire.
Wut
Who said anything about Snow?

[iamajellydonut]

If they print snow duals or snow fetches they really need to reprint Scrying Sheets as well or we will have another $400 set of lands to acquire.

Wasn't it established a long, long time ago that "snow duals" are considered to be a functional reprint?

[AggroControl]

Wasn't it established a long, long time ago that "snow duals" are considered to be a functional reprint?

I don't actually think they're going to print snow duals, I was just making the point that anything snow that is usable in eternal formats also needs to have Scrying Sheets alongside it or the card is going to become very expensive.

I could see them making the reprints of the first cycle of fetchlands snow this time alongside a snow-covered basic land set. Then they'd have a second set of snow fetches to print at a later date that would definitely draw interest due to... Scrying Sheets!

[TsumiBand]

Wasn't it established a long, long time ago that "snow duals" are considered to be a functional reprint?
Yes. :/
I think they consider them strictly better bc the drawback of snow is outweighed by the menial benefits

[AggroControl]

The Morph mechanic will return as general mechanic. Additionally there will be 5 clan mechanics. (I have to say I don't like Morph much.).

The problem with morph is that it puts non-public information in play as a live asset. Not that many people would cheat in such an obvious way and one that is fairly likely to get them caught at some point but a few will. Then you have the idiotic real mistakes that cause tremendous interpersonal difficulty between the players.

Cards in play should be face up. Cards that get played should always be displayed to the person who is on the receiving end of the transaction. Morph doesn't add enough to the game to make it an exception to a very good general rule.

[Barook]

Wasn't it established a long, long time ago that "snow duals" are considered to be a functional reprint?
This

Super types like "Snow" and "Legendary" don't count.

Subtypes, however, do work. They could easily print something like "Land - Island Swamp Lair" and it would work. But they don't because "it would hurt the spirit of the Reserve list" - long story short, they could, but they're dicks.

[AggroControl]

This

Super types like "Snow" and "Legendary" don't count.

Subtypes, however, do work. They could easily print something like "Land - Island Swamp Lair" and it would work. But they don't because "it would hurt the spirit of the Reserve list" - long story short, they could, but they're dicks.

The original reason that they gave for not reprinting duals was that the duals took away design space by being better than anything they would likely be able to print later on. This was going to cause them problems in the planned Type I/Type II split where they essentially were planning to reboot Magic the way it should have been done in the first place.

I don't see any reason that they couldn't print the type of land that you listed above at this point. The things would only be around in Standard for a year and a half tops and then they'd have their design space back. All the Eternal formats would get fresh resources and other than Vintage a large number of players playing them at least for a short period of time. The "spirit of the reserve list" thing is kind of silly if you think about it. Juzam Djinns have been replaced by better creatures several times over the last decade. Nobody plays Juzam Djinns any more. There's no reason that dual lands are somehow special or super-reserved or anything like that. If WotC needs to do it they will print lands of similar or better power than the duals to create or maintain interest in Magic.

Again, I'm not a disinterested party in this because I own the duals. I'd still deal with it if this happened. If they reprinted the same cards without giving me a trade-in option for something very nice I'd be upset. If they got around that by printing functionally similar lands that had a real difference somehow, well that's life.

I wish they'd just made some super shiny limited edition duals along about 2009 and told existing dual land owners that they could trade them in for the really cool ones and that nobody would ever get them under any other circumstances. Then reprinted all the duals in less shiny unlimited quantities. My collectibles would have maybe taken a minor hit but not a huge one and all the formats of Magic would have gotten better and more populated along the way.

[TsumiBand]

The problem with morph is that it puts non-public information in play as a live asset. Not that many people would cheat in such an obvious way and one that is fairly likely to get them caught at some point but a few will. Then you have the idiotic real mistakes that cause tremendous interpersonal difficulty between the players.

Cards in play should be face up. Cards that get played should always be displayed to the person who is on the receiving end of the transaction. Morph doesn't add enough to the game to make it an exception to a very good general rule.
You know that according to the rules of the game, Morph cards are revealed if they would leave play or the game ends, yeah? The information problem is mostly addressed by that fact...

[HammafistRoob]

You know that according to the rules of the game, Morph cards are revealed if they would leave play or the game ends, yeah? The information problem is mostly addressed by that fact...

This. It's also blatantly obvious what the card is as long as you have some knowledge of the game/ decks that play morph dudes. My mono white Staxx opponent just played a morph creature face down? Hmmmm..... it must be an Emrakul huh?

[Darkenslight]

This. It's also blatantly obvious what the card is as long as you have some knowledge of the game/ decks that play morph dudes. My mono white Staxx opponent just played a morph creature face down? Hmmmm..... it must be an Emrakul huh?

Oh, come off it! It's clearly an Akroma. :eek:

[TsumiBand]

This. It's also blatantly obvious what the card is as long as you have some knowledge of the game/ decks that play morph dudes. My mono white Staxx opponent just played a morph creature face down? Hmmmm..... it must be an Emrakul huh?
Exactly. Unless they push the hell out of it there will be a very limited number of Morph creatures that matter to Legacy, so it won't be *that* big a mystery what's what.

[Darkenslight]

Exactly. Unless they push the hell out of it there will be a very limited number of Morph creatures that matter to Legacy, so it won't be *that* big a mystery what's what.

In before Exalted Angel reprint.

[TsumiBand]

In before Exalted Angel reprint.
Ha.

That would appear to be a huge flavor fail, judging by the stage they're setting for Tarkir. It would be pretty legit to have multiple FDCs worth playing in a monocolored Legacy deck, but even today Exalted Angel is not as hot as it once was. :(

[Zombie]

Ha.

That would appear to be a huge flavor fail, judging by the stage they're setting for Tarkir. It would be pretty legit to have multiple FDCs worth playing in a monocolored Legacy deck, but even today Exalted Angel is not as hot as it once was. :(

Well, there was a goddamn dragon in Innistrad, so...

[TsumiBand]

It could happen. Kaalia seems awfully Khans of Tarkir-ish; she'd be real bad in Block without the requisite creatures to poop into play.

[Barook]

It could happen. Kaalia seems awfully Khans of Tarkir-ish; she'd be real bad in Block without the requisite creatures to poop into play.
Kaalia is from the Alara plane story-wise, so I seriously doubt that.

[TsumiBand]

Kaalia is from the Alara plane story-wise, so I seriously doubt that.
Wtf really? I don't read the mythos, so... vOv

Still though that's weird. I know it 'un-sharded' but I didn't realize it got wedgy.

That sentence is just terrible.

[Barook]

I don't think it Alara got wedgy.

http://archive.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/208

They basically made up some random fluff for one of their Commander cards for M13. Never really read it, though, since it seems quite cringe-worthy.

[TsumiBand]

Two or three revealed cards already.
http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/61/624/635436099932612003.jpeg
Thousand Winds
:4::u::u:
Creature - Elemental
Flying

Morph :5::u::u:

When Thousand Winds is turned face up, return all other tapped creatures to their owners' hands.
5/6

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/61/625/635436101438691791.jpeg
Mardu Heart-Piercer
:3::r:
Creature - Human Archer
Raid — When Mardu Heart-Piercer enters the battlefield, if you attacked with a creature this turn, Mardu Heart-Piercer deals 2 damage to target creature or player.

"Those who have never ridden before the wind do not know the true joy of war."
2/3

----

Thousand Winds = weird, a Blue board wipe spell that EDH won't even touch.
Mardu Heart-Piercer = seems like a high draft pick, 4 mana removal + dude and all. Not Constructed worthy probably, unless that 2 damage as pseudo-haste has appeal in Standard? Meh?

Raid is like baby Bloodthirst, which is not the literal worst IMO. This isn't an example of something that will get played in Legacy, but the fundamental idea - attack, reap reward - appeals to my Kird Ape playin' ways. I also kind of like that it will get noobs to attack THEN play their guys, instead of the other way around. It's a good habit to be in and no one ever seems to get it independently, so a mechanic that gets them to think about it is good stuff.

[Humphrey]

In before Exalted Angel reprint.

Never going to happen. Today we have Lifelink

[TsumiBand]

Never going to happen. Today we have Lifelink

In before Exalted Angel functional reprint???????? :D :D :D

Ergzerterd Erngerl :3::w::w:

Creature - Erngerl

Flying, Lifelink
Morph :1::w::w:

4/4

[Dice_Box]

What the fuck is up with the artist name on that blue monstrosity?

[Barook]

In before Exalted Angel functional reprint???????? :D :D :D

Ergzerterd Erngerl :3::w::w:

Creature - Erngerl

Flying, Lifelink
Morph :1::w::w:

4/4
They haven't done an Exalted Angel variant the last time morph was around, so I don't think we would get one, either. Baneslayer Angel is probably the closest we can get to an Exalted variant. Besides, Exalted Angel sucks nowadays.

So Raid is the Mardu (:r::w::b:) mechanic. I think it's pretty lame creative-wise, but it has potential for some nice, playable cards.

[TsumiBand]

Besides, Exalted Angel sucks nowadays.

You shut your damn mouth :( JUST SHUT UP



So Raid is the Mardu (:r::w::b:) mechanic. I think it's pretty lame creative-wise, but it has potential for some nice, playable cards.

Yeah it isn't the most original thing ever, it probably plays a lot like Bloodthirst. But then again, I liked Bloodthirst. "If you're being aggro, get stuff." Heck yes I'm being aggro! Did you not see my Meshuggah t-shirt? People be like "wut deck u playing" and I'm like "DJENT CONTROL"

But srs like I said earlier, I do like how it encourages new players to attack before playing spells. It just may be a little hand-holdy, but good habits are still good habits regardless of where they come from.

[ESG]

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/61/625/635436101438691791.jpeg
Mardu Heart-Piercer
:3::r:
Creature - Human Archer
Raid — When Mardu Heart-Piercer enters the battlefield, if you attacked with a creature this turn, Mardu Heart-Piercer deals 2 damage to target creature or player.

"Those who have never ridden before the wind do not know the true joy of war."
2/3

Back when I played Standard regularly, we had this guy, but I guess he's OP now:

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ps/60.jpg

I don't miss Standard.

[TsumiBand]

In fairness you can't play FTK on an empty board or go to the face though. But yeah, a little more power might have made a splashier card.

[Barook]

Jeskai (:w::u::r:) has Prowness as a mechanic.

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/130/914/635439531581439469.png

I first misread it as +1/+1 countes, but only boosts until EoT sounds way more sane (and crappy).

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/130/915/635439535566463578.pnghttp://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/130/916/635439535594972038.png

Is it just me or does the art feel unimpressive so far?

[TsumiBand]

I've liked the art thus far.

Both spoiled mechanics are sort of 'tutorial', right - playing after combat with aggro decks, playing noncreature spells in the Blue-centric clan... it's not bad, I don't think, it's just so far a feeling of "the central color in this clan typically employs *this* strategy, so do *this* and reap the rewards"

[iamajellydonut]

Is it just me or does the art feel unimpressive so far?

Gotta fukken love that digital art, man. So good. Traditional is sooo 2009.

[Zombie]

Is it just me or does the art feel unimpressive so far?

Yeah, the land art has that same annoyingly sterile feel that a lot of Innistrad and RTR art had.

[HSCK]

I really like the art on both of the lands, especially the Jeskai one.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I especially like the lands art or not. Uncomon triple lands are what EDH crowd always needs.

[thecrav]

Jeskai (:w::u::r:) has Prowness as a mechanic.

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/130/914/635439531581439469.png

Seems like a good addition to the Nivmagus Elemental deck, but I wouldn't guess that it'd be enough to make it super playable.

[QUOTE=Barook;829027]Is it just me or does the art feel unimpressive so far?

Definitely not just you

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Seems like a good addition to the Nivmagus Elemental deck, but I wouldn't guess that it'd be enough to make it super playable.


Hm, I didn' notice that. Btw, what happened to the deck, I was interested in it and even purchased some of the cards, but I got very little time for brews, so I didn't try it IRL.

[Barook]

I've liked the art thus far.

Both spoiled mechanics are sort of 'tutorial', right - playing after combat with aggro decks, playing noncreature spells in the Blue-centric clan... it's not bad, I don't think, it's just so far a feeling of "the central color in this clan typically employs *this* strategy, so do *this* and reap the rewards"
Both mechanics feel so uninspired, though.

But what really scares me shitless now is a recent comment that they continue to power down the Standard format since the power level peaked at New Phyrexia. And no, Theros Block was NOT the low point in power. If that information has any merit, then the Khans Block is going to the absolute low point in terms of power. How this shit is going to sell packs, I don't know. :eyebrow:

I can't stand another stale year of a block worse than Theros while we're at the mercy of Wizards and their "We don't give a fuck about Eternal, let's go full retard with Commander"-designs that fuck up Legacy even more.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Seems like a good addition to the Nivmagus Elemental deck, but I wouldn't guess that it'd be enough to make it super playable.

Aren't most of the spells that make Nivmagus big copies (of Flusterstorm)?
The new card specifies that it gets +1/+1 until eot for each non-creature spell cast.

Right? :eyebrow:

[Lemnear]

[QUOTE=Barook;829027]Jeskai (:w::u::r:) has Prowness as a mechanic.

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/130/914/635439531581439469.png

Seems like a good addition to the Nivmagus Elemental deck, but I wouldn't guess that it'd be enough to make it super playable.



Definitely not just you

+1/+1 counter again? Fuck you Wizards.

At least this mechanic turns any creature with the keyword on it into a Quirion Dryad. Maybe fun for Vintage Aggro strategies with Fastbond + Gush + Berserk

[trollking21]

[QUOTE=thecrav;829046]

+1/+1 counter again? Fuck you Wizards.

At least this mechanic turns any creature with the keyword on it into a Quirion Dryad. Maybe fun for Vintage Aggro strategies with Fastbond + Gush + Berserk

It doesn't give counters, it gives +x/+x till end of turn.

[Zombie]

Both mechanics feel so uninspired, though.

But what really scares me shitless now is a recent comment that they continue to power down the Standard format since the power level peaked at New Phyrexia. And no, Theros Block was NOT the low point in power. If that information has any merit, then the Khans Block is going to the absolute low point in terms of power. How this shit is going to sell packs, I don't know. :eyebrow:

I can't stand another stale year of a block worse than Theros while we're at the mercy of Wizards and their "We don't give a fuck about Eternal, let's go full retard with Commander"-designs that fuck up Legacy even more.

It's why I've picked up Netrunner. The game's power level isn't super high, but the dev team doesn't suffer from NWO mentality and playing the game feels a lot like playing Storm vs. Delver. A lot of the same kind of nuance where you don't so much flat out deny stuff but instead make it harder for the other player to do until he notices he can't do his plan anymore. A whole game of that goodness <3
FFG is also dedicated to keeping cards in print accessibility should never be a huge problem for long. And, well. Card prices are lower by a couple of craptons.

I know I won't enjoy newer MTG formats that much and that Legacy will inevitably deteroriate, from both WotC's lack of care and the Reserved List, so might as well. And I can enjoy Elves in the meantime.

[TsumiBand]

Both mechanics feel so uninspired, though.

But what really scares me shitless now is a recent comment that they continue to power down the Standard format since the power level peaked at New Phyrexia. And no, Theros Block was NOT the low point in power. If that information has any merit, then the Khans Block is going to the absolute low point in terms of power. How this shit is going to sell packs, I don't know. :eyebrow:

I can't stand another stale year of a block worse than Theros while we're at the mercy of Wizards and their "We don't give a fuck about Eternal, let's go full retard with Commander"-designs that fuck up Legacy even more.
It's not the most creative thing in the world, no.

However, it is basic in its execution, and both spoiled mechanics are tied into game events, in a simpler way than, like, Unleash or Bestow or other recent keyword mechanics. Where those tended towards specificity, like Bloodrush for example*, these abilities just wait to react to an on-color event. It at least presents itself as a much more open-ended building block, in this way.


* btw, tangent - bloodrush fails horribly because not only is it 'just a combat trick' but it strictly works on attacking creatures. It's a good example of a bad idea bc it violates Least Astonishment while setting itself up to be the Hulk Smash ability. Hulk want smash, not read card. Hulk have to correct many players who not grok Bloodrush because it not work like Giant Growth. (Or like, you know, 95% of fscking pump spells)

[maharis]

Both mechanics feel so uninspired, though. But what really scares me shitless now is a recent comment that they continue to power down the Standard format since the power level peaked at New Phyrexia. And no, Theros Block was NOT the low point in power. If that information has any merit, then the Khans Block is going to the absolute low point in terms of power. How this shit is going to sell packs, I don't know. :eyebrow: I can't stand another stale year of a block worse than Theros while we're at the mercy of Wizards and their "We don't give a fuck about Eternal, let's go full retard with Commander"-designs that fuck up Legacy even more.

Source? This sounds awful.

[Barook]

Source? This sounds awful.
Somewhere on Salvation, although it was a comment on some recent Con, so take it as you want since getting a source for that is going to be hard.

[rufus]

Let me fix that for you:



...

Seems like a good addition to the Nivmagus Elemental Stax deck, but I wouldn't guess that it'd be enough to make it super playable.
...

Delver is a better body at half the price.

[Crysthorn]

And no, Theros Block was NOT the low point in power. If that information has any merit, then the Khans Block is going to the absolute low point in terms of power. How this shit is going to sell packs, I don't know. :eyebrow:
Selling packs isn't really much of a problem for WotC. In case you didn't know: Theros is currently the best-selling set of all time and I'm not even joking.

[Barook]

Selling packs isn't really much of a problem for WotC. In case you didn't know, Theros is currently the best-selling set of all time and I'm not even joking.
What? :confused:

Do you have a source before I lose the little rest of hope left in humanity? And even then, Bored of the Gods and Journey into Dicks weren't that great, otherwise revenue wouldn't have plateau'ed the first time in years since Q2/14.

[TsumiBand]

But dOOd there were Gods in it
I heard there was a pack that just had Gods in it! All fifteen of them!! I bet if I buy enough packs there's no WAY I won't catch em all!

[Scott]

On that topic, MaRo's article from today: State of Design 2014 (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mm/state-design-2014)

[Barook]

On that topic, MaRo's article from today: State of Design 2014 (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mm/state-design-2014)
Thanks for the source.

The way it is described in the article, Khans Block sounds like a major clusterfuck, and not in a good way. And the third set is going to suck Dragon's Maze-levels of ass.

[Aggro_zombies]

If any set in this block sucks, it'll be the middle one because it has to be drafted with two different large sets which are presumably doing different things. Having to be the first pack drafted for two very different sets is going to put a lot of strain on it, especially given how much WotC likes to railroad draft archetypes these days. In the best case you're probably going to end up with a few build-around cards that only work with one big set and not the other. They could dodge that by making the archetypes the same across both formats, but then you end up with the Theros block problem of the draft format being monotonous as fuck because you spend all three sets drafting the same archetypes the same way and then jamming them against the same other archetypes for same-y, boring games. I think the only deck that really got any different was UB, which went from Durdle Control to Inspired Control, which was the same except you attacked more. (EDIT: Oh, and Constellation, but that felt like it mattered more in Sealed than draft.)

The new mechanic "prowess" is like Kiln Fiend but minus the excitement. It does point towards Jeskai being the tempo wedge, though, which is something. My guess is RBW is Aggro, RUW is Tempo, RUG is Midrange, BGW is Attrition Midrange, and BUG is Aggro Midrange.

[bakofried]

No no no, I'm sure WotC will take advantage of the BUG colors and make some sort of degenerate graveyard deck.

[Aggro_zombies]

No no no, I'm sure WotC will take advantage of the BUG colors and make some sort of degenerate graveyard deck.
Ah, right, Graveyard Midrange then.

[thecrav]

And the third set is going to suck Dragon's Maze-levels of ass.

DGM: so bad that my LGS did $5 winaboxes for it at a PTQ and 3 people signed up all day

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

So bad Wal-Mart sold it for $1 a pack

True story

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I hope that the Abzan tri-color tapland wil have some nice art. Also, I'm pretty happy with the triplelands. I may finally build some cheaps 5-color EDH with all those nice lands.

[Darkenslight]

DGM: so bad that my LGS did $5 winaboxes for it at a PTQ and 3 people signed up all day

DGM: so bad that WotC stopped producing it three days after M14 was released.

[Barook]

My guess is RBW is Aggro, RUW is Tempo, RUG is Midrange, BGW is Attrition Midrange, and BUG is Aggro Midrange.
RWB is certainly aggro - everything points at that.

WUR might be tempo, but with an artifact subtheme which still works with Prowness.

RUG is going to be ramp from what we know so far - take that as you will.

BUG is something about resources. Might involve GY shenanigans or whatever. I think it rather goes into the control midrange direction with recursion.

WBG might be attrition midrange, as you said. I don't remember exactly what they said about this wedge.

[Lemnear]

RWB is certainly aggro - everything points at that.

WUR might be tempo, but with an artifact subtheme which still works with Prowness.

RUG is going to be ramp from what we know so far - take that as you will.

BUG is something about resources. Might involve GY shenanigans or whatever. I think it rather goes into the control midrange direction with recursion.

WBG might be attrition midrange, as you said. I don't remember exactly what they said about this wedge.

All I needed to know:

- multicolor-block
- "creatures matter" mechanics only

Another year to ignore for me other than 1-2 cards which may make it into Legacy. I'm not playing block or drafts with that shit again, sorry. I have enough of that multicolor/shard/Guild stuff

[AggroControl]

Both mechanics feel so uninspired, though.

But what really scares me shitless now is a recent comment that they continue to power down the Standard format since the power level peaked at New Phyrexia. And no, Theros Block was NOT the low point in power. If that information has any merit, then the Khans Block is going to the absolute low point in terms of power. How this shit is going to sell packs, I don't know. :eyebrow:

I can't stand another stale year of a block worse than Theros while we're at the mercy of Wizards and their "We don't give a fuck about Eternal, let's go full retard with Commander"-designs that fuck up Legacy even more.

They always have Draft to sell packs and Commander to sell mythical Legendary creatures that will never see play in a 60-card constructed format.

[rufus]

On that topic, MaRo's article from today: State of Design 2014 (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mm/state-design-2014)

Why do I read that stuff when all it does is make me sad.

[Zombie]

Why do I read that stuff when all it does is make me sad.

Morbid curiosity?

[Koby]

Why do I read that stuff when all it does is make me sad.

For gems like this:

"I feel like there were a lot of expectations and that we managed to hit most of them"
"I started with a mechanic I had a lot of faith in, one that I knew had more potential than its initial reaction."
"I feel we succeeded in meeting the player expectations of a block inspired by Greek mythology but we failed ... to deliver what players had expected of an enchantment block."

I feel like MaRo has a screw loose.
I think that his article is bullshit.

[Megadeus]

Hilariously enough, I totally forgot that Theros was supposed to be an enchantment matters block... Mostly because enchantments didn't matter. Just because you make some creatures enchantments as well doesn't mean that it actually matters...

[HammafistRoob]

You guys need to learn how to draft or something and not expect Legacy cards from every set. Enchantments did matter quite a bit in Standard and Draft actually and it's hard to make good Legacy cards, especially Enchantments, that wouldn't ruin their cash cow.

[rufus]

...it's hard to make good Legacy cards, especially Enchantments, that wouldn't ruin their cash cow.

Maybe it's a power level thing, but it seems like many of the recent sets are full of unimaginative rehashes of old mechanics. It's as if MaRo is saying, "devotion is a more limited version of chroma, therefore it's better."

[iamajellydonut]

What if we do draft but think Theros limited sucked?

[sjmcc13]

Hilariously enough, I totally forgot that Theros was supposed to be an enchantment matters block... Mostly because enchantments didn't matter. Just because you make some creatures enchantments as well doesn't mean that it actually matters...

It would help if there were more then 20 global enchantments. (and 15 of them from the last set)

Bestow was an interesting mechanic and had potential but there were not enough cards with it and the bestow cost was normally to high to be useful.
Constelation was the only other enchantment matters mechanic, and came out to late to matter.

Most of the (non bestow) enchantment creatures would not lose any play-ability if they were not enchantments.

Maybe in limited it mattered because of the sheer # of enchantments, but once you remove the limited only garbage cards and go to constructed, the enchantment theme dies horribly.

[dunk]

You guys need to learn how to draft or something and not expect Legacy cards from every set. Enchantments did matter quite a bit in Standard and Draft actually and it's hard to make good Legacy cards, especially Enchantments, that wouldn't ruin their cash cow.

I'm sure people would appreciate more Legacy - playable cards like Delver, Decay, DRS, Grisel, Terminus... honestly, a "Legacy-playable" card has to warp the format or it's not really playable. Every now and then we get cards like Council's Judgment or Faithless Looting which are strong on their own but have little impact overall. Most of the time the card has to be broken though, or it would just be like it didn't exist at all. I think the only card which has been printed in the last years that didn't warp the format around it but improved existing shells by a wide margin was Young Pyromancer. Okay, and Liliana.

Anyway, I definitely expect this block to have a couple of interesting cards. It is a multicolor block after all. The spoiler season just began, and I can't blame Wotc for revealing casual and limited cards first. The former sells the set, the latter gives a small glimpse into new mechanics without giving too much away.

[Zombie]

I'm sure people would appreciate more Legacy - playable cards like Delver, Decay, DRS, Grisel, Terminus... honestly, a "Legacy-playable" card has to warp the format or it's not really playable. Every now and then we get cards like Council's Judgment or Faithless Looting which are strong on their own but have little impact overall. Most of the time the card has to be broken though, or it would just be like it didn't exist at all. I think the only card which has been printed in the last years that didn't warp the format around it but improved existing shells by a wide margin was Young Pyromancer. Okay, and Liliana.

Anyway, I definitely expect this block to have a couple of interesting cards. It is a multicolor block after all. The spoiler season just began, and I can't blame Wotc for revealing casual and limited cards first. The former sells the set, the latter gives a small glimpse into new mechanics without giving too much away.

Agent, Ooze, Flusterstorm, Strix...

[dunk]

Agent, Ooze, Flusterstorm, Strix...

None of them has been printed in a regular Standard and draftable set? I should have specified that. Yeah yeah, Ooze got reprinted later. Also, no one plays it anymore.

[TsumiBand]

This being the umpteenth thread which poo-poos a set incredibly pre-emptively is giving me a lot of pause in the ways I wish to react in the future to new cards/new sets.

Yes, quite recently I posted a "fuck you wizards" rant in the EDH forum because I initially thought that planeswalkers as commanders is taking too much lease with a format they didn't create, but after a few days and some well-formulated arguments and some re-examining I no longer feel bad about it. I bring that up because I've also fired off rounds of "new cards are bullshitty" posts, and maybe I'm re-evaluating the process that got me there.

I just can't even take this thread seriously for some reason. Must be that whole thing where we have the actual text of 4 new cards in a new set, and every Chicken Little is all piss and vinegar. Already?? Jesus, Lemnear, I'm calling you out - this isn't even hyperbole or flaming, your post history speaks for itself - you don't actually like Magic cards! I want you to look inwards, brother. Go read a book until the spoiler is like 55% done. I'm so serious. You sound like you need a cup of tea and a marathon viewing of Masterpiece Theatre to really just unwind and reflect. Go fishing. Learn yoga. Eat, pray, love. Stop looking at new Magic cards for, like, six months. It's your health I'm worried about. All that hate just welling up, you gotta be just tense as a new soccer ball. Sure you get to have an opinion, but it's just really nice if you like, let your words bake in your mental oven for a few minutes before they're served. That's all. I literally mean no offense by any of this.

I might just be the old man in the room that's tired of keeping up with the Jones' card collection, or tired of wishing the MtG scene was different here in Nebraska, or just too busy with family and work and hobbies that matter a damn to approach this game with this whole "what's in it for Legacy" filter, because honestly there's no happy medium anymore. Really, if a new card makes a dent, it's busted and everyone cries out their butt because their old decks don't work anymore. If nothing makes a dent, the whole set sucks and MaRo is a child-eating clone of Pol Pot with Marc Summers's face stapled on his non-face. It's a stagnant mindset and it prevents people from actually evaluating the cards on their face or sleeving up good tech. And it is a lousy read.

[bakofried]

I honestly think that was brilliant. I thought eternal players were supposed to be used to getting a few cards a set?

[Aggro_zombies]

Honestly, most of the extreme haters are probably Eternal-only players. I play a lot of Limited (or I did, before work started eating into my time), and honestly things weren't too bad until Theros block. Actually, Journey had some interesting stuff going on and if any of it had started in Born then it would have made the Limited format significantly more enjoyable; as it was, there was too much emphasis on building up some sort of haymaker and preserving draft archetypes as the block evolved. It's almost like WotC had a design meeting at some point where they said, "Okay, so players really liked Spider Spawning in triple Innistrad but we didn't support it in Dark Ascension and players were sad about that, so let's put more effort into archetype continuity," without realizing how stale it would make the format feel come April.

Some of that may be just that BNG was absolute ass, though. JOU at least tried to mix things up.

That said, crying about the lack of Eternal playables is just kind of dumb. Eternal formats are largely defined by power level mistakes - it's really obvious in Vintage, but even Legacy makes use of cards like JtMS, Wasteland, Brainstorm, Swords to Plowshares, and a bunch of other cards that aren't outright broken but certainly aren't healthy to have around on a day-to-day basis. Designing cards for that is incredibly hard, as WotC's supplemental products track record has shown: you either get cards that are strong, but not quite strong enough (Unexpectedly Absent, Council's Judgement) or cards that are way too strong (TNN, plus we know Mental Misstep was originally aimed specifically at Legacy) with very little in between (basically just Strix at this point). It's not sustainable and it's not worth their time.

It's like complaining that the last good Pauper card was Gary Merchant. Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but WotC almost certainly does not have regular R&D meetings where everyone sits down and Aaron Forsythe or Mark Rosewater or whoever goes up to the whiteboard and says, "Okay, we need to make some cards for Pauper, pitch me some ideas," because Pauper is an ancillary format that isn't played by all that many people relative to the numbers jamming Standard, Draft, or even Modern. They make cards for smaller formats and if one of them happens to be good in Pauper or Legacy or Vintage or Prismatic or whatever, then there you go.

Of course, at least some of the bile here is because you apparently can't not be bileous on the internet these days. I doubt all the haters actually feel as passionately about the issue IRL as they appear to on here - and if they do, they probably would be better off from a blood pressure standpoint with just quitting Magic.

[Dice_Box]

I am happy to give Wizards some credit where it is due, Decay did exactly what it was printed to do. The whole printing of the Jund archetype has been sweet and the recent announcement that Rolling Earthquake is getting a reprint is sweet. Sometimes, they get it right. Sometimes, you get Theros.

[Lemnear]

I just can't even take this thread seriously for some reason. Must be that whole thing where we have the actual text of 4 new cards in a new set, and every Chicken Little is all piss and vinegar. Already?? Jesus, Lemnear, I'm calling you out - this isn't even hyperbole or flaming, your post history speaks for itself - you don't actually like RECENT Magic cards! I want you to look inwards, brother. Go read a book until the spoiler is like 55% done. I'm so serious. You sound like you need a cup of tea and a marathon viewing of Masterpiece Theatre to really just unwind and reflect. Go fishing. Learn yoga. Eat, pray, love. Stop looking at new Magic cards for, like, six months. It's your health I'm worried about. All that hate just welling up, you gotta be just tense as a new soccer ball. Sure you get to have an opinion, but it's just really nice if you like, let your words bake in your mental oven for a few minutes before they're served. That's all. I literally mean no offense by any of this.

I might just be the old man in the room that's tired of keeping up with the Jones' card collection, or tired of wishing the MtG scene was different here in Nebraska, or just too busy with family and work and hobbies that matter a damn to approach this game with this whole "what's in it for Legacy" filter, because honestly there's no happy medium anymore. Really, if a new card makes a dent, it's busted and everyone cries out their butt because their old decks don't work anymore. If nothing makes a dent, the whole set sucks and MaRo is a child-eating clone of Pol Pot with Marc Summers's face stapled on his non-face. It's a stagnant mindset and it prevents people from actually evaluating the cards on their face or sleeving up good tech.

First, this was very entertaining and I'm not easily offended. I think it's valid complaining if you have to see the "multicolor" topic, kicker, creatures-matter focus, etc. rehashed every one or two blocks, as if players have no memory and the State of the Art articles feed that impression with the ever same excuses.

Maybe I'm too buisy with family, friends, work and life to dig deep into every damn set and format to cheerish MaRo's warping of the Game to what it is today.

[Barook]

What I kinda miss in Theros block were cards that scream "Build a deck around me!". JOU had Constellation which made an Ok-Impact in Standard with the green card drawer, and Nykthos come into mind. The devotion decks were basically monocolored goodstuff decks that abused Gary/Master of Waves. Other than that, it was an uninspired clusterfuck of Walkers/Sweeper Durdle Control/turning dudes sideaways decks.

I'm interested to see if they can get WR cards right this time. The color combination is severely lacking, especially compared to BG.


I am happy to give Wizards some credit where it is due, Decay did exactly what it was printed to do. The whole printing of the Jund archetype has been sweet and the recent announcement that Rolling Earthquake is getting a reprint is sweet. Sometimes, they get it right. Sometimes, you get Theros.
DRS (as OP as it is) and RiP also ended the long history of massive GY abuse pretty handily. Alongside with AD, they also "solved" Tarmogoyf for good. They can print cards that are good for Eternal without breaking Standard (DRS in Modern was kinda unfortunate, but that's a different story), but instead they decide to reprint old cards with double and tripple the mana costs because they can. The blatant recycling of old cards in the most shameless way possible is probably the thing that pisses me off the most.

[TheArchitect]

This being the umpteenth thread which poo-poos a set incredibly pre-emptively is giving me a lot of pause in the ways I wish to react in the future to new cards/new sets.

Yes, quite recently I posted a "fuck you wizards" rant in the EDH forum because I initially thought that planeswalkers as commanders is taking too much lease with a format they didn't create, but after a few days and some well-formulated arguments and some re-examining I no longer feel bad about it. I bring that up because I've also fired off rounds of "new cards are bullshitty" posts, and maybe I'm re-evaluating the process that got me there.

I just can't even take this thread seriously for some reason. Must be that whole thing where we have the actual text of 4 new cards in a new set, and every Chicken Little is all piss and vinegar. Already?? Jesus, Lemnear, I'm calling you out - this isn't even hyperbole or flaming, your post history speaks for itself - you don't actually like Magic cards! I want you to look inwards, brother. Go read a book until the spoiler is like 55% done. I'm so serious. You sound like you need a cup of tea and a marathon viewing of Masterpiece Theatre to really just unwind and reflect. Go fishing. Learn yoga. Eat, pray, love. Stop looking at new Magic cards for, like, six months. It's your health I'm worried about. All that hate just welling up, you gotta be just tense as a new soccer ball. Sure you get to have an opinion, but it's just really nice if you like, let your words bake in your mental oven for a few minutes before they're served. That's all. I literally mean no offense by any of this.

I might just be the old man in the room that's tired of keeping up with the Jones' card collection, or tired of wishing the MtG scene was different here in Nebraska, or just too busy with family and work and hobbies that matter a damn to approach this game with this whole "what's in it for Legacy" filter, because honestly there's no happy medium anymore. Really, if a new card makes a dent, it's busted and everyone cries out their butt because their old decks don't work anymore. If nothing makes a dent, the whole set sucks and MaRo is a child-eating clone of Pol Pot with Marc Summers's face stapled on his non-face. It's a stagnant mindset and it prevents people from actually evaluating the cards on their face or sleeving up good tech. And it is a lousy read.

All of this quote for the win.

I remember the only time I ever actually contacted someone from WoTC (MaRo) was after spoiling Temporal Mastery. Time walk in legacy??? OP STUPID WOTC. I was convinced it would be the end of legacy, finally make them ban brainstorm, and ruin everything. The same night it was spoiled I jumped to a lot of conclusions, and emailed out my rant. Obviously I was pretty wrong about the miracle mechanic and its actually spawned one of my favorite decks I have ever played.

And related to ranting about no legacy playables in the set: would you people ranting prefer if instead the spoiled cards on the power level (or above the power leve) of delver or DRS? Would that really make you happy if we got MORE cards the impact legacy?

Also guys, we have seen 6 cards. SIX CARDS. One is obviously a plant to get commander casual's drooling, 3 are previews of set mechanics in their most simple and easy to comprehend forms, and 2 are lands that everyone was expecting. How are you making any conclusions from this? It would be like if for RTR they showed us, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord, Azorius Arrester, Golgari Decoy, Coursers' Accord, Overgrown Tomb, and Hallowed Fountain, as reasonable equivalents to the previews to what we have seen of Khans, and we just assumed we'd get nothing for legacy from RTR. Believe it or not, eternal playing spikes are a very small minority of magic players. I'm just making up numbers here, but I bet at the very least 95% of magic players would be more pumped up for a new set by seeing Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius than by seeing Abrupt Decay.

[lyracian]

That said, crying about the lack of Eternal playables is just kind of dumb. Eternal formats are largely defined by power level mistakes
I agree; if you are already playing the best 60 card printed there has to be a very good reason why you would want to buy something from a Standard set. I am quite happy with just having 1-2 cards that go into Legacy from each set. Burn may not be everyone's choice of deck but Eidolon of the Great Revel has certainly helped improve its performance. I am certainly willing to wait and see what Khans will actually bring; we might get some eternal playable Morph creatures that do not wreck standard...



Designing cards for that is incredibly hard, as WotC's supplemental products track record has shown: you either get cards that are strong, but not quite strong enough (Unexpectedly Absent, Council's Judgement) or cards that are way too strong (TNN, plus we know Mental Misstep was originally aimed specifically at Legacy) with very little in between (basically just Strix at this point). It's not sustainable and it's not worth their time.
We got Toxic Deluge as well and Council's Judgement is seeing play in Miracles and D&T. Wizards can design cards for eternal they just do not seem to want to put any effort into testing.