GP New Jersey

[nedleeds]

Does Mattias like combo? Does Patrick like Burn? Does Cedric like goblins and their belcher? give it a fucking rest.

[Piceli89]

That landstill deck must be the ugliest deck I have ever seen, and I have seen some shit..

If it wasn't for that asian guy rocking "that" Landstill, Delver variant wouldn't exist nowadays- as far as I know he's the creator of the original Canadian Threshold with David Caplan back in the day (they're both canadians)

The deck is the serious shit. Snare, Stifle, Factory, Standstill, Cruise, Dig AND Sudden Shock? Tons of old-school class mixed with modernity!

[GnuHouse]

That landstill deck must be the ugliest deck I have ever seen, and I have seen some shit..

What the bloody hell did he do to his deck?

[dsck]

If it wasn't for that asian guy rocking "that" Landstill, Delver variant wouldn't exist nowadays- as far as I know he's the creator of the original Canadian Threshold with David Caplan back in the day (they're both canadians)

The deck is the serious shit. Snare, Stifle, Factory, Standstill, Cruise, Dig AND Sudden Shock? Tons of old-school class mixed with modernity!

The deck is cool, the alters on the other hand...

Good to know about the player, his name seemed familiar.

[nedleeds]

May the gods of variance continue to bless this metalworker utter dominance player.

[iamajellydonut]

Is anyone staying over to Monday morning and do they have a bed (or floor) to spare?

[Rizso]

Well, if you get to Thopter+Sword + Kelch der Leere people, that's all that matters. It seems like 2000 people decided to play UR judging by the coverage.

-Matt

So we have 8000 delvers at the site? :D

[Gheizen64]

Dat Wescoe Catacylsm Kreygasm

[Noctalor]

Poor Miracle player, he fucked up in the very end D:

[Bertrand Hustle]

Choke choke choke choke choke

[TheAardvark]

Poor Miracle player, he fucked up in the very end D:

He's fortunate that Wescoe conceded.

[(nameless one)]

Made day 2 at 8-1 record.

With Deadguy?


May the gods of variance continue to bless this metalworker utter dominance player.

I missed it. Did he win?

[TheAardvark]

Time for Food Chain/Genesis Hydra.

[Darkenslight]

Yep, let's just cast Misthollow Griffin until you die. Makes a change from Day 1.

[(nameless one)]

Modern GP coverage: All the weird decks on day one, same decks day two.

Legacy GP coverage: Delver day one, real decks on day two.

[theBloody]

Was nice to see something other than Miracles/Delver.

[Dice_Box]

Hunt? Fuck, I really like the energy that Philips and Sull bring to the coverage.

[Darkenslight]

Hunt? Fuck, I really like the energy that Philips and Sull bring to the coverage.

Welp, that was a dead Infect dude. :cool:

[Noctalor]

The standstill is real

[apple713]

metagame breakdown (http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpnj14/d2meta)


does lands just have good matchup vs delver?

[Dice_Box]

does lands just have good matchup vs delver?

If you have a good start, yes. Because you run two EE main and can loop them on top of having Tabernacle, being the most effective Wasteland deck in the room and there is not a whole lot of grave hate in the Delver decks right now. Also you get to draw 3 cards a turn while they get to do it maybe four times. Its fun to play.

[apple713]

there are 2 dark depths decks that made day 2, does anyone know their lists or anything about them?

[Dosferra]

If you have a good start, yes. Because you run two EE main and can loop them on top of having Tabernacle, being the most effective Wasteland deck in the room and there is not a whole lot of grave hate in the Delver decks right now. Also you get to draw 3 cards a turn while they get to do it maybe four times. Its fun to play.

The two Lands listed are of the rG combo variety, no EE.

With that said, there is no denying what you just wrote, Lands has a couple of (not too rare) opening hands that just crushes Delver.
There is currently, at least, 4 Lands at x-2 or better.

[deviant]

The fuck is going on with that lands deck?
I cannot be the only one feeling disgustipated.

[Darkenslight]

The fuck is going on with that lands deck?
I cannot be the only one feeling disgustipated.

Welp, it's out of Top8 contention now thanks to Become Immense.

[ReAnimator]

The fuck is going on with that lands deck?
I cannot be the only one feeling disgustipated.

Lam's decks have always looked like that going on 11+ years. All his friends are serious pimps and have everything, he just rolls with the anti pimp and trolls everyone, it's fantastic.

[CabalTherapy]

Our good old JPA plays at 11-2 now. Sneaky sneaky. :u::r:

[Dice_Box]

The two Lands listed are of the rG combo variety, no EE.

With that said, there is no denying what you just wrote, Lands has a couple of (not too rare) opening hands that just crushes Delver.
There is currently, at least, 4 Lands at x-2 or better.

Oh, Combo lands runs 4 Punishing Fire, 3/4 Grove, 3/4 Crop Rotation and 4 Gamble. You just become the control deck faster than Delver can deal with it and once you have Loam going, you just get more mana to loop Fire and run them out of Creatures. Having a 4/2 Split of Exploration and Manabond helps too. There is also the matter of the flying 20/20 that they have exactly 0 answers for that is a fun way to close out the game.

I can not wait for my Gambles to arrive in the mail, its all I am missing to build this.

[deviant]

Lam's decks have always looked like that going on 11+ years. All his friends are serious pimps and have everything, he just rolls with the anti pimp and trolls everyone, it's fantastic.

Trolling with style = win.
Using markers to blacken the background and just making the cards look like they are designed to cause epileptic shocks = not so cool.

I would not have minded a drawn dickbutt on them, I do like a completely whitebordered deck etc.
But those cards really bothered me more than I'd like to admit.

[bruizar]

Mud !

[Dice_Box]

Mud !

We have already seen MUD, fucking hell, stop masturbating over the power of Lands and let us all join in on the porn.

[Finn]

Colorful metaphors abound. I'm going to have some explaining to do if my wife catches me reading this thread now.

[Darkenslight]

Colorful metaphors abound. I'm going to have some explaining to do if my wife catches me reading this thread now.

Wow, that was a lot of self-flagellation in that last game! 20 damage over the course of the game that was self-inflifcted. :tongue:

[bruizar]

I really feel that UR with treasure cruise is a strict downgrade from previous builds. I'm glad wasteland and daze and spell pierce aren't played that much.

[bruizar]

Lol did you see how joseph santomassino shuffled BBDs deck?

[Deviruchi]

Anyone knows if Royce Walter still plays TES? Because he was 12-1 going into this round.

[Teknique]

Anyone knows if Royce Walter still plays TES? Because he was 12-1 going into this round.

Considering his match is over (he was desiding behind the current feature), I'm betting yes, and I'm betting he won.

[Surfinbird]

Apart from watching the coverage, where can i find information abaout results and standings?

[deviant]

TES in top8 would make me so happy ^^
Also that mud guy shuffles bbd's deck very.. suspiciously.
Cannot see if he is manipulating it but that peeking is very blatant.
I'd like to think taking a look at my opp's postboard configuration is at least frowned upon..

[bruizar]

TES in top8 would make me so happy ^^
Also that mud guy shuffles bbd's deck very.. suspiciously.
Cannot see if he is manipulating it but that peeking is very blatant.
I'd like to think taking a look at my opp's postboard configuration is at least frowned upon..

I guess you remedy MUDs inconsistencies by making your opponent also get bad draws :)

[Dosferra]

Apart from watching the coverage, where can i find information abaout results and standings?

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/141114_edison.html

[Gheizen64]

Pikula with the bombs! :laugh:

[mort-]

Gogo Schönegger \o/

[JanoschEausH]

They have THE BEST decks in contention for top8. And they cover the UWR-FUCKING-DELVER-MIRROR on x-2...

[Dice_Box]

They talked about Lands for two days... Fuck. I am just disappointed.

[Lemnear]

We could have watched Phillip vs. Royce ... Miracles vs. TES for the Top 8 -.-

[TheAardvark]

I mentioned that to a couple of my friends, and they said "but Lands is really boring to watch". Maybe that's their reasoning, although I heartily disagree.

[Teknique]

They talked about Lands for two days... Fuck. I am just disappointed.

Just pretend there are no permanents in play except for Tundras and Volcanics. Same difference, right?

[mort-]

We could have watched Phillip vs. Royce ... Miracles vs. TES for the Top 8 -.-

They drew into T8 imho.

[Lemnear]

Phillip and Royce drew! TES and Miracles locked for Top 8

[Gheizen64]

MUD is 13-2 too, should be top 8 too.

[Tormod]

I 5-3 dropped on day 1. The food situation here was atrocious. Long lines, bad food that sold out because there were no other options available. Saw the extra time clock go past 30 mins more often than not.

I had a blast, but was hopping for more variety than having to face burn 4 times in 5 rounds.

[lordofthepit]

Congrats to Philipp and Royce on their top 8, and fingers crossed on Bob's tiebreakers. That's at least three Sourcers still "live", right?

[ESG]

Round 12 replay is 9-1-1 bracket with a four-color Loam brew vs. Food Chain.

[(nameless one)]

MUD is 13-2 too, should be top 8 too.

Chalice hype is real! I love it!

[Watersaw]

I 5-3 dropped on day 1. The food situation here was atrocious. Long lines, bad food that sold out because there were no other options available. Saw the extra time clock go past 30 mins more often than not.

I had a blast, but was hopping for more variety than having to face burn 4 times in 5 rounds.

Holy crap this. I don't think it ever stopped before 25 minutes in overtime. What killed me was the 9 o'clock announcement that the food service areas all closed an hour ago.

[Darkenslight]

Holy crap this. I don't think it ever stopped before 25 minutes in overtime. What killed me was the 9 o'clock announcement that the food service areas all closed an hour ago.

Send it to feedback@wizards.com, with the headline "GP New Jersey". Maybe they'll listen.

[davelin]

Considering his match is over (he was desiding behind the current feature), I'm betting yes, and I'm betting he won.

Bryant clarified in TES thread that Royce is on ANT and not TES.

[(nameless one)]

So what's on the Top8?

[Loxmatii]

Infect vs lanndstill in top8

[Damoxx]

Infect vs Landstill
Miracles vs Miracles??
UWR vs MUD
ANT vs ??

[JamieW89]

1 Ross, Tom 40 72.2222% Infect
2 Braun-Duin, Brian S 40 65.0794% UWR Blade
3 Walter, Royce 40 65.0794% ANT
4 Schönegger, Philipp 40 63.4921% Miracles
5 Braverman, Phillip 40 61.9048% Miracles
6 Jordan, Daniel 39 70.6349% UR Delver
7 Santomassino, Joseph 39 69.8413% MUD
8 Phan, Lam N 39 65.8730% UR Landstill

Infect - UR Landstill
Miracles - Miracles
ANT - UR Delver
UWR Blade - MUD

Go ANT!

[Loxmatii]

i think ant vs ur

[apple713]

1 Ross, Tom 40 72.2222% Infect
2 Braun-Duin, Brian S 40 65.0794% UWR Blade
3 Walter, Royce 40 65.0794% ANT
4 Schönegger, Philipp 40 63.4921% Miracles
5 Braverman, Phillip 40 61.9048% Miracles
6 Jordan, Daniel 39 70.6349% UR Delver
7 Santomassino, Joseph 39 69.8413% MUD
8 Phan, Lam N 39 65.8730% UR Landstill

Infect - UR Landstill
Miracles - Miracles
ANT - UR Delver
UWR Blade - MUD

Go ANT!

I'm sure the miracles players are happy about their parings...

[CabalTherapy]

Go ANT!

I think it is TES

[mort-]

God I want to see that Miracle mirror :D

[TheAardvark]

God I want to see that Miracle mirror :D

Well, it's the backup coverage match, so you might get your wish.

[deviant]

great. there is a juicy miracles mirror and a very interesting UR vs ANT, storm being a deck that finishes relatively fast and has not had any screen time so far BUT we are going to cover our homeboy playing the EXACT SAME MU we have already covered.
fuck this, seriously. fuck this.

we probably get some sweet BBD screen time after boss finishes his match too, just for the ru-ins.

[Lemnear]

I think it is TES

It's ANT

[mini1337s]

Trolling with style = win.
Using markers to blacken the background and just making the cards look like they are designed to cause epileptic shocks = not so cool.

I would not have minded a drawn dickbutt on them, I do like a completely whitebordered deck etc.
But those cards really bothered me more than I'd like to admit.
I've been told by Caplan that he does it to prevent his cards from being stolen.

[Dia_Bot]

great. there is a juicy miracles mirror and a very interesting UR vs ANT, storm being a deck that finishes relatively fast and has not had any screen time so far BUT we are going to cover our homeboy playing the EXACT SAME MU we have already covered.
fuck this, seriously. fuck this.


QFT!

Also: Go ANT!

[apple713]

should have countered the stifle...

[Quasim0ff]

Does this matter?

We have standstill on camera, even if it's vs something as boring as infect.

(I'd LOOOOOVE to see Miracles vs Miracles though!)

*oh, did they really show the exact same matchup earlier? That seems incredible retarded and just to promote their favorite.

[Myelectronicdays]

I've been told by Caplan that he does it to prevent his cards from being stolen.

if my cards looked like that kind of trash I would only hope someone would actually steal them.

[deviant]

I've been told by Caplan that he does it to prevent his cards from being stolen.

does he also vomit in his car and masturbate in his wallet?
same logic applies..

[ESG]

Chill out, dudes. If Miracles is the backup match, you'll get to see the Miracles mirror. Not like it's going to be over in five minutes ...

[Barook]

I've been told by Caplan that he does it to prevent his cards from being stolen.
That's like castrating yourself to not get aids. :really:

Top 16 is up (http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t[C1]=3&start_date=11/15/2014&end_date=11/16/2014&start=1&finish=16&event_ID=3&city=Edison)

[Myelectronicdays]

does he also vomit in his car and masturbate in his wallet?
same logic applies..

lolol amazing

[Meekrab]

if my cards looked like that kind of trash I would only hope someone would actually steal them.
Also... Wasteland is a $100 card... those Wastelands are not $100 cards. >_>

[Meekrab]

What does explosives on zero actually kill in Tom's deck? Not manlands...

[JamieW89]

"If the storm player can get through this tough matchup (UR Delver) and gets to play against decks like MUD he'll be thrilled!" clueless much?

[Dia_Bot]

"If the storm player can get through this tough matchup (UR Delver) and gets to play against decks like MUD he'll be thrilled!" clueless much?

Apparently so, but what did you expect? :rolleyes:

[ESG]

What does explosives on zero actually kill in Tom's deck? Not manlands...

I don't know why that was in there, but it hits Noble Hierarch, Glistener Elf, and Blighted Agent, even if they are Vines'ed.

[TheAardvark]

I don't know why that was in there, but it hits Noble Hierarch, Glistener Elf, and Blighted Agent, even if they are Vines'ed.

He was asking specifically about it being in play on 0. I guess he assumed that playing it for 0 was better than discarding it.

[Darkenslight]

"If the storm player can get through this tough matchup (UR Delver) and gets to play against decks like MUD he'll be thrilled!" clueless much?

Gotta be better than playing 10 rounds of Delver/Stoneblade.

[JamieW89]

Gotta be better than playing 10 rounds of Delver/Stoneblade.

Meh, those matchups are quite interesting to play (UR a little less, but still) with storm. I'd rather play 15 rounds versus various delver and blade variants than againsta mixture of junk like burn, dredge or hatebear decks.

[lordofthepit]

I don't know what you guys are complaining about, all four top 8 matchups are pretty sweet.

[Darkenslight]

I don't know what you guys are complaining about, all four top 8 matchups are pretty sweet.

Well, Infect beats for the win, it seems. Misplay by Lam with Waste. If he'd wasted, then Tom would have had to use Vines.

[deviant]

Ok.
G3 was quite epic.
I may have slightly uncomfortable amounts of manlove for the boss right now.

[JamieW89]

Yay time for Einherjer!

[Gheizen64]

The Tom Ross game was amazing in the end. He won with normal damage with an infect deck, so close too. That probe->pyroblast->hydroblast->pyroblast was also pretty amazing :laugh:

This T8 is beautiful tbh, if not for the delvers shitters. Give back survival now plz.

[(nameless one)]

Berserk stompy winning against Landstill....

Pyroblast vs Hydroblast counterwar

Hardcast FoW.

#whatyearisthis?

[Darkenslight]

Berserk stompy winning against Landstill....

Pyroblast vs Hydroblast counterwar

Hardcast FoW.

#whatyearisthis?

#Magiciceage

But yeah, that ALL THE ONES in the Miracles mirror.

[BeardTron]

Blah...really hope Ross doesn't win. I get he's a heck of a player--I just can't respect anyone who plays Infect.

[Gheizen64]

MUD lost dammnit. Jeskai booooooo Would've liked to see that game, they said he lost 2-1.

[(nameless one)]

MUD lost dammnit. Jeskai booooooo Would've liked to see that game, they said he lost 2-1.


The dream is done.

Well, let's go Walter!

[Lemnear]

Can someone walk over to Matthias Hunt and slap him in the face? "Royce sure cheer for MUD to win over UWR Delver because he doesn't care for Wurmcoil!"

Seriously? Wurmcoil? Never heared of Chalice & Trinisphere?

[TheAardvark]

Can someone walk over to Matthias Hunt and slap him in the face? "Royce sure cheer for MUD to win over UWR Delver because he doesn't care for Wurmcoil!"

Seriously? Wurmcoil? Never heared of Chalice & Trinisphere?

Hunt is the stone worst. Thank God they're bringing Sullivan back for the semis ad finals.

[CabalTherapy]

Can someone walk over to Matthias Hunt and slap him in the face? "Royce sure cheer for MUD to win over UWR Delver because he doesn't care for Wurmcoil!"

Seriously? Wurmcoil? Never heared of Chalice & Trinisphere?

These guys... :rolleyes:

[mort-]

Can someone walk over to Matthias Hunt and slap him in the face? "Royce sure cheer for MUD to win over UWR Delver because he doesn't care for Wurmcoil!"

Seriously? Wurmcoil? Never heared of Chalice & Trinisphere?

My thoughts exactly :D

[JanoschEausH]

Haha lol, just recognized Jonathan Anghelescu on 13th place. Pretty nice, he is a local player from Hannover, Germany. Also Tomas Vlcek on 11th place. The Europeans kicking some ass there.

[CabalTherapy]

Haha lol, just recognized Jonathan Anghelescu on 13th place. Pretty nice, he is a local player from Berlin, Germany. Also Tomas Vlcek on 11th place. The Europeans kicking some ass there.

Let me correct you.

[JanoschEausH]

Let me correct you.

Well, sorry! I just saw him playing in Hannover regularly. Don't know him personally.

[Lemnear]

Over the last 4 rounds of coverage we see Tom Ross 3 times?! Is this a GP coverage or a fucking Tom Ross fan-movie?

[Phoenix Ignition]

Over the last 4 rounds of coverage we see Tom Ross 3 times?! Is this a GP coverage or a fucking Tom Ross fan-movie?

Did you listen to Patrick Sullivan before the match started?

That answers all questions. I wouldn't blame you if you had to mute it, though, I could only handle about 30 seconds of how Tom Ross is the best magic player in the world.

[TheAardvark]

Sullivan also called his opponent the best Miracles player in the world, and Cedric has been gushing over Schonegger and his deck all afternoon. The praise is definitely not one-sided.

Ross is pretty much the only person who plays Infect and does well at bigger events with it, and he has been the best player on SCG's tournament circuit in 2014, so it's no surprise that they are featuring him.

[Lemnear]

Did you listen to Patrick Sullivan before the match started?

That answers all questions. I wouldn't blame you if you had to mute it, though, I could only handle about 30 seconds of how Tom Ross is the best magic player in the world.

I don't listen to the bullshit between rounds. Just music so i can concentrate in what happens and how I would play hands

[mort-]

That was incredible harsh. What the fuck was up with that draw.

[apple713]

really... infect...about to sweep the legacy GP... what has the format come to?

[Darkenslight]

Sullivan also called his opponent the best Miracles player in the world, and Cedric has been gushing over Schonegger and his deck all afternoon. The praise is definitely not one-sided.

Ross is pretty much the only person who plays Infect and does well at bigger events with it, and he has been the best player on SCG's tournament circuit in 2014, so it's no surprise that they are featuring him.

Well, both players played in one fo the largest GPs in Magic history, with over 4,100 players. I'd say that calls for some praise. And Tom Ross is the best aggro player around at the moment.

[TheAardvark]

really... infect...about to sweep the legacy GP... what has the format come to?

Diversity?

[JanoschEausH]

I guess the Miracle vs. Infect matchup is nearly unwinnable for Miracles. Especially if the Infect guy draws all his creatures one ofter the other.

[JDK]

I could watch Infect beat Miracles all day.


I guess the Miracle vs. Infect matchup is nearly unwinnable for Miracles. Especially if the Infect guy draws all his creatures one ofter the other.
To be fair Philipp's draw wasn't shabby at all (sure, sitting on 3 lands in Game 2 is bad, but that also had to do with Top'ing for answers).

[mort-]

I guess the Miracle vs. Infect matchup is nearly unwinnable for Miracles. Especially if the Infect guy draws all his creatures one ofter the other.

I actually don't think it's that bad (as a Miracles player myself). But 3 Nexus... wow.

[apple713]

scg is just playing bbd vs RW, where is the final match being shown?

thanks, thought i was watching old footage.

[TheAardvark]

scg is just playing bbd vs RW, where is the final match being shown?

? BBD vs. Royce is the other semifinal, and it's being shown live.

[Whippoorwill]

scg is just playing bbd vs RW, where is the final match being shown?

This match is for the other spot in the finals. Finals will be after this.

[bakofried]

Fucking great, Ross and BBD in the finals. I'm tuning out.

[Lemnear]

Fucking great, Ross and BBD in the finals. I'm tuning out.

Dito. Good night folks

[CabalTherapy]

Maybe I am totally wrong, but did BBD just play 2 Strands in one turn?

(It's 1 am here and I might missed some turns. Please excuse)

[Tammit67]

Fucking great, Ross and BBD in the finals. I'm tuning out.

God dammit... I was almost interested

[TheAardvark]

Maybe I am totally wrong, but did BBD just play 2 Strands in one turn?

(It's 1 am here and I might missed some turns, too. Please excuse)

99.999% sure he played them on separate turns.

[CabalTherapy]

99.999% sure he played them on separate turns.

K, thanks.

[Gheizen64]

Royce debated his opener before keeping it and Dan went down to six cards for Game 2. Royce led off with a Dark Ritual into a Cabal Ritual then resolved a Lion’s Eye Diamond. Royce cracked for red while maintaining Priority for Infernal Tutor, getting a Cabal Ritual and proceeded to flash back Past in Flames. From there Royce played all three rituals again to play Infernal Tutor and hit Dan with a lethal Tendrils of Agony for the Turn 1 kill.

LOL Kreygasm

[Whippoorwill]

Would have been nice to see Tom get this slow of a start against Philipp. :rolleyes:

[Darkenslight]

Would have been nice to see Tom get this slow of a start against Philipp. :rolleyes:

Yep. But still, I'm not sure if that Crop play was a mistake; my plan would have been to force BBD to have the Force+Blue+Blast, althouhg I'm not at the GP, so make of that what you will.

[Rood]

Treasure Cruise is a disgustingly OP card. I love/hate it :D.

[LIKEABOSS]

If infect won...

[Rood]

If infect won...

The guy pilotting it won the previous 2 SCG Invitationals...I don't think anybody would've been surprised if Tom won..lol

[DTC]

Just got back from GP, I scrubbed it pretty hard. Started off well with 3-0 then punted a game that I had due to math miscalculations and started on a tilt, lost rounds 6 and 7 to finally get eliminated from contention, friends were still in so i stuck it out for points and said as soon as they were good to go to just find me and i'll drop, won round 8, they were out and found me during round 9 eventually and mid match i just sign the slip giving my opponent the win. The trip down was an odyssey for me anyway so I was done for the main event to care about grinding PWPs.

Hardly played delver or stoneblade at all, which made the event a learning experience playing matchups I had never seen. While having a very strong legacy pool that i can play almost any fair blue based deck, I also have little experience playing with or against non-blue decks. Also my metagaming caused me to board a lot more hate against those matchups and didn't run into any of them so sideboards were very awkward during the weekend. It also meant a lot of my matches were a bit more random.

Might be a bit off but I recall playing: Death & Taxes, Oops! All Spells, Junk Depths, Miracles, UR Delver once, Jeskai Stoneblade once, Merfolk, Belcher, Punishing Loam, Painter, and MUD. First time i played all of these decks in tournament except for Delver to be honest, so it was definitely a learning experience in most games.

I did have a lot of fun getting wrecked by Imperial Painter in the Super Sunday Series. The second game was incredibly grindy but watching it go off and all the decision trees alone made it worth getting 2-0'd in a totally deserved way. Hopefully you did well today man.

[Tylert]

A friend of mine said to me that he had seen tom ross playing two lands during the match vs Landstill.
Don't know exactly when, but he said that the sequencing was like this:
Tom ross plays a land, cast crop rotation that is countered by a Force of will, then he casts treasure cruise and replays a land.

I don't have acces to the video right now. Did anyone witness that? I have a hard time believing Ross cheated...

[Hopo]

I have a hard time believing Ross cheated...

It's a ridiculous position to imply that a mistake in the game is always a result of cheating. It's cynical and perhaps nowadays even an understandable position but ridiculous nonetheless.

[Tylert]

Maybe the word cheater was a little bit too harsh :)
But you can notice that i said, i can't belive he cheated...

Apparently this is a video link to the incident:

http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/589159924?t=24h20m10s

[Dice_Box]

I actually remember noticing that when he was playing, I did not think a whole lot of it. Thought, maybe I had missed something at my end, so much was happening.

Seeing how much was happening and that this is an isolated incident, I am willing to say he fucked up, not he had malice intent. There is, as far as I know, no pattern of this. A one off is sloppy play, not cheating. I know I myself have done far worse.

[Quasim0ff]

Pretty sure Ross just got confused over the span of his turn, as he had some serious considerations going on.

Didn't look planned, at least.

[deadlock]

Is there a thread, which discusses the winning deck (uwr stoneblade)? Maybe I am blind.
It looks very strong, because it utilizes the strength of UR delver decks (mainly Treasure Cruise with cheap spell spam), while also having a superior plan against said deck(s) in the SFM package. It is also interesting that he picked Young Pyromancer over Delver.

[Lemnear]

Maybe the word cheater was a little bit too harsh :)
But you can notice that i said, i can't belive he cheated...

Apparently this is a video link to the incident:

http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/589159924?t=24h20m10s

He dropped the drawn Inkmoth and the Tropical he returned to Daze the turn earlier in the same turn. I'm not sure if it really mattered for his hand or the upcoming turns.

[Loxmatii]

i think he missplayed, because he was very tired

[clavio]

Started 5-1, made a misplay against Owen Turtenwald game 3 to barely lose. It's been 1.5 days and I'm still disgusted with myself.

My friends got to play human disasters during the first few rounds, all of my opponents were pretty reasonable. You need luck to win events like this.

The logistics of the event made it very unenjoyable to me. Maybe I'm too old for this shit.

[Tylert]

Started 5-1, made a misplay against Owen Turtenwald game 3 to barely lose. It's been 1.5 days and I'm still disgusted with myself.

My friends got to play human disasters during the first few rounds, all of my opponents were pretty reasonable. You need luck to win events like this.

The logistics of the event made it very unenjoyable to me. Maybe I'm too old for this shit.

Human disasters? might want to go deeper with details, you got me interrested :)

[Richard Cheese]

Went 7-2 with Zoo day 1, but gave my round 9 opponent the win because I didn't want to figure out the logistics of staying for day 2. I wasn't crazy about the pods moving all over the room every round, but it really wasn't too painful with the tweets. Bathroom situation was fairly miserable, and food situation was definitely miserable.

At the end of the day though, it was a pretty fun event. I played against a good variety of decks, only one of them had Delver in it, and I beat most of them with Zoo. Fear the Gibbons, Legacy.

[Guy I Don't Know]

Anyone have a link to what Lam Phams cards look like?

[nedleeds]

I have a hard time believing Ross cheated...

Why? Are you a childhood friend? The guy has won an inordinate amount of events in a game with a high degree of skew. I don't understand this white knighting for these people. I err on the side of cheating, if anything if he's such a pro you'd think the chance of playing two lands is even lower. You might say, 'he wouldn't risk his e-Reptuation by cheating on camera' but look at the evidence to the contrary.

[Tylert]

Why? Are you a childhood friend? The guy has won an inordinate amount of events in a game with a high degree of skew. I don't understand this white knighting for these people. I err on the side of cheating, if anything if he's such a pro you'd think the chance of playing two lands is even lower. You might say, 'he wouldn't risk his e-Reptuation by cheating on camera' but look at the evidence to the contrary.

No, that was just that he seemed like a nice guy. On the other hand I had nothing against Jared Boetcher also...
LEt's say, That was just a feeling.

[Varal]

I can't believe Wizards hasn't found something to prevent people from playing multiple lands in a turn especially in the top 8 of an event with 200 judges. If you'd to play your first land with a marker or turned 180 degrees it would reduce the odds of playing additional lands in a turn.


Anyone have a link to what Lam Phams cards look like?

Most of his cards have the background completely blackened with a Sharpie.

[Megadeus]

Went 7-2 with Zoo day 1, but gave my round 9 opponent the win because I didn't want to figure out the logistics of staying for day 2. I wasn't crazy about the pods moving all over the room every round, but it really wasn't too painful with the tweets. Bathroom situation was fairly miserable, and food situation was definitely miserable.

At the end of the day though, it was a pretty fun event. I played against a good variety of decks, only one of them had Delver in it, and I beat most of them with Zoo. Fear the Gibbons, Legacy.

Would love a report/at least a list?

[nedleeds]

I can't believe Wizards hasn't found something to prevent people from playing multiple lands in a turn especially in the top 8 of an event with 200 judges.

More ... I don't understand the point of day 2 being professional when people are mistake-cheat-exploring. Why bother?

[menace13]

Anyone have a link to what Lam Phams cards look like?

http://i.imgur.com/ZEKxPqs.jpg?1

Force of Will

[FoolofaTook]

Tom Ross has been under the cameras a lot lately. I highly doubt that he was interested in cheating under those circumstances. It was a very long tournament. Anybody here who thinks they haven't done similar or worse things when they were tired at the end of a long tournament is certainly mistaken. I'm betting nobody is more embarrassed by the footage of the double land play than Tom Ross.

[Richard Cheese]

Would love a report/at least a list?

Will post both, but I've been gone for a week so I have several hundred emails to slog though before I can truly start slacking off again.

[Krasman]

Anyone have a link to what Lam Phams cards look like?

He blacks out everything on the card except the main object/person.

[deviant]

Tom Ross has been under the cameras a lot lately. I highly doubt that he was interested in cheating under those circumstances. It was a very long tournament. Anybody here who thinks they haven't done similar or worse things when they were tired at the end of a long tournament is certainly mistaken. I'm betting nobody is more embarrassed by the footage of the double land play than Tom Ross.

Yeah, the fatigue is real. BBD f.e. did not remember if he had drawn a card from probe in the finals.
I guess that tells a short story.

What is next; do you people think Julian is also a cheater? He did win a lot with elves and attacked with a sick elf under camera. Must be dirty no?

I still think he is as honest as they come. Same with Ross and Schönegger : they just clearly play their deck better than anyone else atm.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Human disasters? might want to go deeper with details, you got me interrested :)

My round 2 opponent was playing Mono-Green Bears. :confused:
Literally all 3 games he played a Forest and passed, then another forest and a Beta Grizzly Bears.





Yes 3 games... Turn 1 Blood Moon doesn't to a lot against Mono-Green Bears. :frown:
I did pick up a set of foil Chrome Mox though, so all of the standard 8-Moon permanents are foil and the foily-ness of the win-cons vary.

[Mr Miagi]

My round 2 opponent was playing Mono-Green Bears. :confused:
Literally all 3 games he played a Forest and passed, then another forest and a Beta Grizzly Bears.





Yes 3 games... Turn 1 Blood Moon doesn't to a lot against Mono-Green Bears. :frown:
:laugh: So much win :cool:
Tell me bears won? :tongue:

[Ace/Homebrew]

Tell me bears won? :tongue:

He won the die roll and led with a forest and passed the turn. A shitty basic forest from a new set too, so I knew right away he wasn't playing a real deck.

I swore out loud because I kept a Blood Moon hand.
I drew and played my Blood Moon.

He played another forest and then tapped out for a Grizzly Bear.
I played CotV@1.

He played another forest, played some stupid 4/2 bear, and attacked me for 2.
I played a Jitte.

He plays Bear Umbra on his stupid 4/2, attacks for 8, untaps his lands and plays another stupid bear.
I'm pretty sure I drew a land and picked up my cards in disgust.



Games 2 and 3 were entirely under my control. We finished our round in 20 minutes and I got some fried chicken and fries. The chicken was clearly 2 different types of frozen bits. The dark ones were tasty and the light ones were rock hard and awful.

[H]

Games 2 and 3 were entirely under my control. We finished our round in 20 minutes and I got some fried chicken and fries. The chicken was clearly 2 different types of frozen bits. The dark ones were tasty and the light ones were rock hard and awful.

So you won? :confused:

Also, they talked about the guy playing Bear Tribal on the SCG stream, but to avoid having people play nonsense just to get on camera they didn't put him on...

[Phelix]

guy was fucking awesome.

he was wearing a full bear suit.

[Lejay]

I wanted to share a link of AJ Sacher playing against counter grizzly but the video is now deleted. :(

[Ace/Homebrew]

So you won? :confused:

Yeah, I won... if you want to call it that. I went 1-3 drop, then waited in line for an hour to sell 30 cards to SCG. :mad:
It was still worth being on the road for (a total of) 5 hours though. I've never been to something like that before.

My opponent wasn't the bear-suit guy. Before we started game one, he said he wasn't a Legacy player and this was a list he saw online that inspired him.

[wcm8]

but to avoid having people play nonsense just to get on camera they didn't put him on...

So much fail.

If somebody pays for the tournament entry, then they can play whatever deck they want if it's legal. And if they are respectful to their opponents and abide by the tournament rules, then what's the problem?

I think it'd be *awesome* if SCG encouraged people to play wacky, fun, interesting, and outsider strategies and made an effort to put these on stream. We can watch the Delver vs. Show and Tell vs. Storm vs. Elves vs. [Tier 1/1.5 deck] matchups in the later rounds and Top 8. Let us have more fun watching wacky games like Battle of Wits vs. Slivers, or Thallids vs. 100-card Highlander in the earlier rounds.

People that play these decks obviously have no real intention of going all the way and winning the tournament, but at least they'd be a hell of a lot more fun to see every once in awhile instead of Random Spike Metagame Net-Decker #471 vs. Random Spike Metagame Net-Decker #867.

This should probably be it's own topic. But I think most people who watch these streams would agree that highlighting the diversity of Legacy would be more interesting than focusing purely on the relative homogeneity of Tier 1.

[Ace/Homebrew]

People that play these decks obviously have no real intention of going all the way and winning the tournament, but at least they'd be a hell of a lot more fun to see every once in awhile instead of Random Spike Metagame Net-Decker #471 vs. Random Spike Metagame Net-Decker #867.

Airing any match he's in would be entertaining for 30 seconds... or until you sober up. :tongue:
The proper way to show him is to pan the camera over to the wacky guy in a bear costume from a distance, point and laugh, and continue covering real Legacy.

I'm all for showing tier 1.5 and 2 strategies, but not tier Bear.

[ESG]

He played another forest and then tapped out for a Grizzly Bear.
I played CotV@1.

Gotta set that Chalice at 2 to beat the Bear deck ...

[meffeo]

So much fail.

If somebody pays for the tournament entry, then they can play whatever deck they want if it's legal. And if they are respectful to their opponents and abide by the tournament rules, then what's the problem?

I think it'd be *awesome* if SCG encouraged people to play wacky, fun, interesting, and outsider strategies and made an effort to put these on stream. We can watch the Delver vs. Show and Tell vs. Storm vs. Elves vs. [Tier 1/1.5 deck] matchups in the later rounds and Top 8. Let us have more fun watching wacky games like Battle of Wits vs. Slivers, or Thallids vs. 100-card Highlander in the earlier rounds.

People that play these decks obviously have no real intention of going all the way and winning the tournament, but at least they'd be a hell of a lot more fun to see every once in awhile instead of Random Spike Metagame Net-Decker #471 vs. Random Spike Metagame Net-Decker #867.

This should probably be it's own topic. But I think most people who watch these streams would agree that highlighting the diversity of Legacy would be more interesting than focusing purely on the relative homogeneity of Tier 1.
Totally agree.

What was the point to see Tom Ross and again TOM ROSS few minutes later?

[thecrav]

Jersey was awesome. I have about 4 pages brainstormed of stories, reports, and thoughts that'll get posted in the next week or so.

[JDK]

What was the point to see Tom Ross and again TOM ROSS few minutes later?

The point was that he actually plays really good and after 15 rounds a Miracle mirror would put people to sleep. Oh, and SCG probably wants to promote their circuit players.

[H]

Airing any match he's in would be entertaining for 30 seconds... or until you sober up. :tongue:
The proper way to show him is to pan the camera over to the wacky guy in a bear costume from a distance, point and laugh, and continue covering real Legacy.

I'm all for showing tier 1.5 and 2 strategies, but not tier Bear.

Yeah, it's funny, but then all these people will come out of the wood-work doing ridiculous things to get on camera and we'll never see real Magic. Now, if the guy came in a bear suit and went like 7-0 and they had to put him on camera, that would be the best thing ever.

When I lived in New York a friend of mine went to a Vintage tournament wearing an Ape suit playing Belcher. He played Brian DeMars, who wrote that he was pretty confused in his StarCity article, :laugh:

[cdr]

In a better world SCG would pair one or two of their commentators up someone who actually knew legacy/legacy history. SCG commentators knowing who random SCG grinder #100 is but not who Lam goddamned Phan is makes me sad.

[Bryant Cook]

In a better world SCG would pair one or two of their commentators up someone who actually knew legacy/legacy history. SCG commentators knowing who random SCG grinder #100 is but not who Lam goddamned Phan is makes me sad.

I think I could do it if I wanted to, I've played "Legacy" since it was Drains, Shops and Bazaars and still travel to events all over. Unfortunately, I know Lam from losing to him repeatedly.

[Parcher]

To answer all the questions; Lam blacked out all his cards to force himself to keep them. He had a habit of trying to get value out of trending cards, and consequently not having some to play with when needed. Cappy told him ones like Force, Bstorm, Goyf etc. Would never be worth unloading, and Lam knowing how ADD he is, did that so no one would ever buy or trade for them. He has been playing that same damn deck since before the split.

[Valtrix]

CDR, can you elaborate on who Lam Phan is? I'm not familiar with Magic history.

[thecrav]

CDR, can you elaborate on who Lam Phan is? I'm not familiar with Magic history.

Seconded. Googling him isn't currently useful as all the results are about the GP!

[phonics]

CDR, can you elaborate on who Lam Phan is? I'm not familiar with Magic history.

Someone earlier said he was one of the original creators of the tempo thresh archetype aka canadian thresh, basically the progenitor of rug delver.

[Di]

CDR, can you elaborate on who Lam Phan is? I'm not familiar with Magic history.

In a nutshell:

Well known Canadian Legacy player, top8'd the first Legacy GP (Philly 2005), co-inventor of Canadian Threshold, tons of high finishes in large Legacy events.

[cdr]

Pretty much what Di said.

I'm also generally annoyed by how Wizards lets SCG take a GP and basically treat it like an oversized SCG Open. SCG branding/ads/employees everywhere, Magic branding nowhere. I guess it's too much to ask for Wizards to actually do their own GP coverage.

[FoolofaTook]

Pretty much what Di said.

I'm also generally annoyed by how Wizards lets SCG take a GP and basically treat it like an oversized SCG Open. SCG branding/ads/employees everywhere, Magic branding nowhere. I guess it's too much to ask for Wizards to actually do their own GP coverage.

It's possible they really don't care much about the eternal formats, preferring to concentrate on Standard and Draft, where most of their money is made. The eternal formats make their business partners money but not WotC so much.

[twndomn]

It's possible they really don't care much about the eternal formats, preferring to concentrate on Standard and Draft, where most of their money is made. The eternal formats make their business partners money but not WotC so much.

SCG also does coverage for GP Orlando, which is not Legacy. WotC really should just focus on new sets and MTGO.

[Ace/Homebrew]

CDR, can you elaborate on who Lam Phan is? I'm not familiar with Magic history.

Here's a picture of him, if you were curious:

http://data3.whicdn.com/images/4658570/large.jpg

[(nameless one)]

CDR, can you elaborate on who Lam Phan is? I'm not familiar with Magic history.

This guy is one of the reasons why we all hate Delver.dec and to some extent, Brainstorm

[mort-]

Somehow, I was not impressed by his plays and asked myself quite often how he'd gotten into T8.

Edit: Just ontopic for the SCGGrinder#100 vs the Legacy legend (that I didn't know until I read it here). In terms of GP performance, the first one did way better while being covered.

[bruizar]

man, the gp just felt like an scg tournament to me. I want BDM in the booth.

[Richard Cheese]

man, the gp just felt like an scg tournament to me. I want BDM in the booth.

What about Jim Ross? Everything's better with Jim Ross right?

Wasn't this supposed to be GP Hollywood anyway?

[Michael Keller]

What about Jim Ross? Everything's better with Jim Ross right?

Wasn't this supposed to be GP Hollywood anyway?

Started the day out 3-0, then rolled three straight snake eyes and lost three straight game threes with each opponent at one life. It was more like, "Grand Prix: Get Fucked."

[Megadeus]

Jim Ross would be awesome. "Oh my God king! Did you see that?? Delver of Secrets!"

What were you on Hollywood? Manaless?

[Michael Keller]

I was on U/R.

Never again.

[Royce Walter]

I was on U/R.

Never again.

Yeah I almost played that deck, then decided I just wanted to crush it instead. I even bought foil Delvers.

[Wilkin]

Went 12-3 for 45th place with Deadguy Ale. One of my losses was to Bob Huang, so I will be keeping tabs on Channelfireball to see what he says about me on his report.

LOL, when I lost round 12 to Bob, I see Lam (I play against him from time to time in Toronto area) and asked how he did that round since we were both 11-1 (well me now 11-2). He won. I said I was happy for 2 reasons. He's a good guy and happy he's doing so well and number 2, I've only beaten him twice when he's on UR Landstill. Once as Deadguy, the other as Tin Fins. So with his win and my loss, I'm not likely to face him next round as he's an auto loss for me.

[.dk]

Yeah I almost played that deck, then decided I just wanted to crush it instead. I even bought foil Delvers.

Seems like you made a good choice... Congrats!! :)

Also - was awesome meeting and running into so many sourcers there. Had a pretty awesome time at the event, aside from the food situation and round length on day 1.

[MGB]

I was on U/R.

Never again.

See, if you had played Dredge or The Gate...

[Richard Cheese]

Jim Ross would be awesome. "Oh my God king! Did you see that?? Delver of Secrets!"

Oh my GAWD ALMIGHTY! He just drew 21 cards off Griselbrand! Somebody get in there and stop him!#!!@#

[Lemnear]

What about Jim Ross? Everything's better with Jim Ross right?

Wasn't this supposed to be GP Hollywood anyway?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv5mGdN_b2A


Edit:

One more:
http://www.totalprosports.com/2014/07/10/jim-ross-commentary-brazil-germany-world-cup-blowout-video/

[UnsungHero]

I was on U/R.

Never again.

Being on U/R = being a heel

[Actinide]

I went 6-3, bubbling in the 9th round. I was on a deck that one opponent called "BUG Delver without Delvers." Really, it was a BUG Walkers control deck with DRS as my only creature, if anyone played against me.

I scrubbed pretty hard in Round 9 due to stupidity and exhaustion in Game 1. Sad way to get knocked out. :(

[FoolofaTook]

I went 6-3, bubbling in the 9th round. I was on a deck that one opponent called "BUG Delver without Delvers." Really, it was a BUG Walkers control deck with DRS as my only creature, if anyone played against me.

I scrubbed pretty hard in Round 9 due to stupidity and exhaustion in Game 1. Sad way to get knocked out. :(

6-3 is a great result with BUG Control. That's one of the hardest archetypes to play right now.

[barcode]

I finished 6-3 with GWb Maverick.

Promptly went 0-2 after two byes (UR Delver and Sneak & Show) then rattled off four in a row before a loss to BUG Delver. I misplayed pretty badly in the BUG Delver match in game two but I learned a lesson.

Had a great time except for the very long time inbetween rounds.

[Actinide]

6-3 is a great result with BUG Control. That's one of the hardest archetypes to play right now.

Thanks. I actually felt very well positioned. I lost to UR Delver (Blood Moon, always going to be good vs. BUG), Sneak and Show (I knew my combo matchup wasn't great), and Death and Taxes (which should beat me).

I was able to face two Elves decks which was basically a Bye each time and felt very comfortable with every matchup. I still think the deck is great and I will continue to play it, as my other favorite archetype (OmniTell) feels wrong for the meta right now.

[Richard Cheese]

Anyone remember the name of the dealer with the box full of $0.50 foreign crack? Finally found a Russian Treefolk Harbinger there and now I'm seriously jonesing for the rest of the set.

Oh and Russian Children of Korlis too. Nothing like getting a judge called for a card in a foreign language that gets judges called in English.

[Ziveeman]

Went 11-4 with UWR Delver, good for 110th Place. Oddly I played against only 2 Treasure Cruise decks. 4 Death and Taxes and 3 Elves decks though.

[.dk]

Anyone remember the name of the dealer with the box full of $0.50 foreign crack? Finally found a Russian Treefolk Harbinger there and now I'm seriously jonesing for the rest of the set.

Oh and Russian Children of Korlis too. Nothing like getting a judge called for a card in a foreign language that gets judges called in English.

There were actually 3 separate stores operating at that booth. Something like MTG Stronghold was the sign on it.

And thanks for the russian kids. they were very productive all weekend and the price was certainly right. ;)

[Undomian]

Anyone remember the name of the dealer with the box full of $0.50 foreign crack? Finally found a Russian Treefolk Harbinger there and now I'm seriously jonesing for the rest of the set.

Oh and Russian Children of Korlis too. Nothing like getting a judge called for a card in a foreign language that gets judges called in English.

Pink Bunny Games had loads of the stuff, but I think it was a dollar.

[r3dd09]

This is what I played at GP NJ, my opponent didn't like it when I Mental Mistepped his Hierarch turn one :3

http://i.imgur.com/xQZ2Ds1l.jpg

I wanted to have a round 1 no show and make my round 2 opp think I made it through round 1 with a vintage deck. lol

[.dk]

I wanted to have a round 1 no show and make my round 2 opp think I made it through round 1 with a vintage deck. lol

That would have been beyond amazing

[TheAardvark]

Oh my GAWD ALMIGHTY! He just drew 21 cards off Griselbrand! Somebody get in there and stop him!#!!@#

The more appropriate (and better in context) quote is "somebody stop the damn match!".

[Finn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv5mGdN_b2A


Edit:

One more:
http://www.totalprosports.com/2014/07/10/jim-ross-commentary-brazil-germany-world-cup-blowout-video/

Damn you, Lemnear. Those videos are like crack, Twinkies, or MMORPGs. I don't go near them because I can't stop. I just lost almost an hour of my life. Atleast I laughed a lot.

[Sintheros]

Ran Dredge, went 5-3. Saw basically the opposite hate cards than what I was expecting. Strange.

[(nameless one)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv5mGdN_b2A


Edit:

One more:
http://www.totalprosports.com/2014/07/10/jim-ross-commentary-brazil-germany-world-cup-blowout-video/


I was watching this on the train when I had to stop because I was looking like a mental case watching it.

[Quasim0ff]

Ran Dredge, went 5-3. Saw basically the opposite hate cards than what I was expecting. Strange.
What did you face? Leyline, Jixlid Jailor?

I expect, you expected Cage, RIP and Surgical?

[Nuke is Good]

What did you face? Leyline, Jixlid Jailor?

I expect, you expected Cage, RIP and Surgical?

I saw the Yxlid Jailer used against me when I was playing Reanimator, apparently the guy thought I was dredge also. I did not see Cage in my 8 rounds at all. A BUG Delver player had a Reanimate in his sideboard that be brought against me.

[sdematt]

There were actually 3 separate stores operating at that booth. Something like MTG Stronghold was the sign on it.

And thanks for the russian kids. they were very productive all weekend and the price was certainly right. ;)

It was the Magic Stronghold, it's my local store. I picked that box clean before y'all got to it :P

If you want me to look through that box for something else, let me know.

-Matt

[Richard Cheese]

it was the magic stronghold, it's my local store. I picked that box clean before y'all got to it :p

if you want me to look through that box for something else, let me know.

-matt

All the Russian Treefolk!
-Harbinger x3
-Bosk Banneret (they had a ton of Jap ones)
-Heartwood Storyteller
-Reach of Branches
-Cloudcrown Oak
-Sapling of Colfenor
-Dauntless Dourbark

[warfordium]

If you want me to look through that box for something else, let me know.

not that Stronghold will sell it to us at 50¢ a card....

[.dk]

not that Stronghold will sell it to us at 50¢ a card....

Do they charge more in store? or less?

[warfordium]

Do they charge more in store? or less?

well, sdematt and I both ripped through a few unsorted, unpriced boxes they had lying around, picked out stuff we wanted... waited for weeks to have it priced....

I actually went through it and priced it myself during some downtime at work (i had picked out non-foil japanese/german, not a lot of pre-8th stuff, mostly minor/commander rares), and came up with a price based on a photo i took of it all laid out. when the owner finally got around to pricing it he had come up with $65 more than what i had... a whole bunch of the 50¢/$1 rares had been nudged up. extra $10 on a japanese vamp, Noxious revivals for $1 or $2 or something, $30 for a playset of Russian 9th Sleight of Hand (cf €12 for a playset on MKM).

I don't really place a large value on Foreign over English for non-foils of that calibre and rarity, so I was not really impressed. I just flushed store credit on the stuff but it was a roll-eyes moment all the same.

anyways. I've since joined the german-language Facebook group so things are gonna change for the better (but to the detriment of my wallet).