GP New Jersey

[Einherjer]

I know it's pretty early but I just booked the flight for my next US trip including GP New Jersey and SCG Richmond.

So here the question: Who of you guys is going to the GP?

Do we make some kind of a community meeting?

See you there!

Greetings

[Tormod]

I'll be there for GP Jersey. Making the drive down with some buddies from Toronto.

[thecrav]

I'm still torn between the GP and Eternal Weekend. Finally got power and I still haven't played in a sanctioned event with it!

I'll definitely be at one of the two.

[Stoyrm]

I've bought tickets from Norway to New Jersey, so i should be there as well :). I had to choose between Eternal Weekend and the GP, and while i really wanted to play Vintage; there is only two Legacy GPs a year. If eternal weekend also gave out PT invites, i'd probably go to that. Might go to Eternal Weekend in 2015 though!

[.dk]

I'm leaning towards GP New Jersey, but I might go to Eternal Weekend instead. I haven't decided yet...

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Buddy of mine is trying to get me to go with him, so may end up out there

[nedleeds]

I'm still torn between the GP and Eternal Weekend. Finally got power and I still haven't played in a sanctioned event with it!

I'll definitely be at one of the two.

If you can only do one and are powered I don't think there's much debate. You get 2 complete tournies, each giving you a chance. At a GP 2 bad hands or bad matchups and 2 days down the drain, also being in day 2 with no contention of top 8 is miserable and a waste. "Moneying" for like $600 is failure. I can play sanctioned Legacy 2 times a week for the whole fucking year, but big boy sanctioned vintage maybe 3 times a year. Also Philly and the reading market being a hundred yards away beats the hell out of shitbox New Jersey. My suite is already booked for Eternal Weekend.

[Megadeus]

Yeah if you have no interest in the pro tour or whatever eternal weekend sounds like an infinitely more fun trip

[nedleeds]

No. Casting hydras and drafting wind drakes is of zero use to me. Edison is ~1.5-2 hours to Manhattan via train, so that's something but Edison proper is a fucking shitbox.

[Esper3k]

I'm tentatively planning on GP NJ myself. With SCG being the TO and the very positive success of the GPs they've run, I'm curious to see what they can do with a Legacy GP.

[Lord Seth]

Yeah if you have no interest in the pro tour or whatever eternal weekend sounds like an infinitely more fun tripIf your primary goal is the Pro Tour, a Grand Prix really isn't your best shot. Your best chance is to find a store with a historically low turnout for PTQs, then go to that store's event.

[LOLWut]

shitbox New Jersey

Only things that are shitboxes are those that get burned to the ground, boy.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/thisdayintech/2010/11/gen_sherman_250x.jpg

[cdr]

If your primary goal is the Pro Tour, a Grand Prix really isn't your best shot. Your best chance is to find a store with a historically low turnout for PTQs, then go to that store's event.

If you only have one weekend. Better is to just go to as many PTQs as possible, GPs when there's no PTQ, and MOCS when there's neither (if they ever fix MTGO, hah).

[mishima_kazuya]

Depending on your geographic location, qualifying for the PT through a top GP finish is easier than trying to win a PTQ.

Anyways, if you are looking to have a fun time then go the Eternal Weekend. Chinatown and the Reading Terminal Market are within walking distance from the Pennsylvannia convention center. If you happen to be in the city before or after the tournament, Center City is within walking distance. Additionally, South Street and tourist attractions near Independence Hall are a short subway ride away.

If you want to actually qualify for the Pro Tour with your favorite format and don't mind that the GP is in the middle of nowhere suburbia, then go to GP New Jersey.

[WorstBandNameEver]

I live in NJ so I will be at both GP NJ and Eternal Weekend.

Maybe there is enough of us to play some vintage at the GP in some way.

[thecrav]

Maybe there is enough of us to play some vintage at the GP in some way.

I can't find it right now, but someone at SCG replied to a previous thread (here on the source) saying they were looking into doing a sanctioned vintage event at GPNJ.

[PirateKing]

Well I live here, so I'll be at both.

[thecrav]

Anyways, if you are looking to have a fun time then go the Eternal Weekend. Chinatown and the Reading Terminal Market are within walking distance from the Pennsylvannia convention center. If you happen to be in the city before or after the tournament, Center City is within walking distance. Additionally, South Street and tourist attractions near Independence Hall are a short subway ride away.

The stuff around Eternal Weekend is pushing me that direction. Looks like the best bet for GPNJ is the 50 minute train ride into the city :/

[Kayradis]

Ill be there with my crew of nasty Canucks!

[afb0032]

Depending on your geographic location, qualifying for the PT through a top GP finish is easier than trying to win a PTQ.

Anyways, if you are looking to have a fun time then go the Eternal Weekend. Chinatown and the Reading Terminal Market are within walking distance from the Pennsylvannia convention center. If you happen to be in the city before or after the tournament, Center City is within walking distance. Additionally, South Street and tourist attractions near Independence Hall are a short subway ride away.

If you want to actually qualify for the Pro Tour with your favorite format and don't mind that the GP is in the middle of nowhere suburbia, then go to GP New Jersey.


The stuff around Eternal Weekend is pushing me that direction. Looks like the best bet for GPNJ is the 50 minute train ride into the city :/

It was an easy decision to decide on eternal weekend after explaining this to my wife and make a full vacation out of it, not just an mtg weekend.

[Arianrhod]

The only benefit of living in central Pennsylvania: I can make it to virtually everything. Hours from everything, but hours from anything. I'll be at both =)

[Richard Cheese]

Probably going to the GP. Wife and I have a dozen or so old friends in NYC, so we're thinking of heading up for a week, and I'll just go down to Jersey for the afternoon. Usually doesn't take me too long to go x-3 so it's not like it will cut into the vacation much.

[Dragonslayer_90]

There's a good chance I'll be heading to the GP since my permanent address is still in Dirty Jerz so I won't have to pay for a hotel. I'll be coming down from Ohio with some MtG friends probably. Can't wait to meet some of you cool peeps!

EDIT: In response to the OP's other question about a community meeting, I'm all for some sort of official or unofficial gathering of source members.

[Einherjer]

Good to hear that some of you are making the right choice and are going to the GP! :)

I am sure that we can arrange a meeting of some kind! :) I guess all of you got a TheSource-Playmat, right?

Greetings

[snorlaxcom]

I know it's pretty early but I just booked the flight for my next US trip including GP New Jersey and SCG Richmond.

So here the question: Who of you guys is going to the GP?

Do we make some kind of a community meeting?

See you there!

Greetings

Should be sweet seeing more Sourcers. Doing both.

[HammafistRoob]

I will probably be at the GPizzle with a few of my nizzles. I don't have the source playmat, but I'm down for some kind of meetup with sourcerers.

[akuma1623]

I will be doing both. Finally gonna get to play some magic

[the_smoking_man]

I'll be attending the gp and hopefully scg Richmond as well.

[Que]

I'm hoping to make it out to this. Would be my first Legacy GP. Not sure when I should start searching for plane tix. Would also be cool to meet fellow sourcers! :laugh:

[barcode]

I'll be there for GP Jersey. Making the drive down with some buddies from Toronto.

Also headed down from Toronto with some friends. I'll go even if the ride falls through and I have to hitchhike. I'll go even if I have to walk.

[BenBleiweiss]

For what it's worth, we do plan on having sanctioned Vintage events at GP: New Jersey! (Can't give out any more details than that at this time, but wanted to float that out there :)

[Einherjer]

For what it's worth, we do plan on having sanctioned Vintage events at GP: New Jersey! (Can't give out any more details than that at this time, but wanted to float that out there :)

That's awesome to hear!

So I guess this makes the GP the obvious choice there, sorry guys :D

Greetings and see you there.

[Stoyrm]

For what it's worth, we do plan on having sanctioned Vintage events at GP: New Jersey! (Can't give out any more details than that at this time, but wanted to float that out there :)

Already pay'd for my trip there, but this is not a negative inclusion at all!

[Michael Keller]

I'll be there!

[barcode]

For what it's worth, we do plan on having sanctioned Vintage events at GP: New Jersey! (Can't give out any more details than that at this time, but wanted to float that out there :)

Well then. I like this news. :cool:

[Jon]

Def going! Time to get my Vintage Deck together, this will be the second GP rocking a stompy deck. Lets hope this goes better then last time!

[Kayradis]

Time to sleeve some Moxen!

[Phelix]

"Redeeming my VMA set, brb"

[BenBleiweiss]

This is what the tip of the iceberg looks like! #GPNJ Nov 14-16
http://i.imgur.com/24ZoLMI.png

[thecrav]

This is what the tip of the iceberg looks like! #GPNJ Nov 14-16
http://imgur.com/gallery/24ZoLMI/new

heh... in gallery mode (which you linked) the next pic is Justice Ginsburg giving the finger

embedded image:

http://i.imgur.com/24ZoLMI.png

Do want. Do want hard.

[Tormod]

This is what the tip of the iceberg looks like! #GPNJ Nov 14-16
http://i.imgur.com/24ZoLMI.png

Time for me to change my pants

[Einherjer]

Was just about to post it, but too slow. I literally can't wait for this GP. I am sure SCG will do a great job, heard nothing but good stuff from the last GPs, organised by SCG. This playmat is epic!

Greetings

[akuma1623]

This is what the tip of the iceberg looks like! #GPNJ Nov 14-16
http://i.imgur.com/24ZoLMI.png

Is this an entry mat or is there a specific way to receive it?

[Megadeus]

Assuming it is like the modern GP, it is simply entry. I think even when they ran out of supplies they were sending mats to people. People may hate SCG for their business practices, but damn if they aren't awesome to customers .

[nedleeds]

Better than some anime schmag I guess. I prefer the Rush Brainstorm ... or just cut to the chase and

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/zkWoWN8ySdGlJJ1KnArJw4rDMtNpRw6VCeOjQzr89KI=w1132-h666-no

[Plague Sliver]

I need to be there. For the love of Brainstorm.

[Kayradis]

Was just about to post it, but too slow. I literally can't wait for this GP. I am sure SCG will do a great job, heard nothing but good stuff from the last GPs, organised by SCG. This playmat is epic!

Greetings

I was at GP Richmond and it was, organization wise, the best GP I've seen.
When they capped their playmat at 2999, 3000 and up where shipped their playmat and token at SCG cost at their residence.
That was pretty sweet.
I know there's about 10+ of us from Atlantic Canada coming

[BenBleiweiss]

Well ladies and gentlemen, here's the full details about GP: New Jersey later this year! Brainstorm Playmat, SLEEVES *AND* Deckbox for all participants, John Avon's first appearance in years, and much much more! http://www.magicgp.com/GPNewJersey/index.html

[nedleeds]

Great artist alley, nice job SCG.

[barcode]

Great artist alley, nice job SCG.

It's really insane. I can't wait to get my Plows signed.

[Esper3k]

Even if I can't go, I hope things go well (and from the sounds of it, SCG is laying the groundwork for that) so they can get GP Seattle next year too.

[thecrav]

Between the artist list, the swag, and being run by SCG, I'm starting to tilt towards the GP side of the "do i go to GPNJ or Eternal Weekend" internal argument

[Whippoorwill]

Even if I can't go, I hope things go well (and from the sounds of it, SCG is laying the groundwork for that) so they can get GP Seattle next year too.

GP Seattle will be run by Cascade Games and Channel Fireball. They're running GP Portland this weekend, so that should be an idea of what to expect.

[say no to scurvy]

Between the artist list, the swag, and being run by SCG, I'm starting to tilt towards the GP side of the "do i go to GPNJ or Eternal Weekend" internal argument

Isn't eternal weekend scheduled on 10/24-26, according to google?

[Esper3k]

GP Seattle will be run by Cascade Games and Channel Fireball. They're running GP Portland this weekend, so that should be an idea of what to expect.

Ah gotcha. Thanks for the info!


Isn't eternal weekend scheduled on 10/24-26, according to google?

They are on different weekends but I think for most people it's a matter of resources in deciding which to prioritize going.

[Tormod]

Well ladies and gentlemen, here's the full details about GP: New Jersey later this year! Brainstorm Playmat, SLEEVES *AND* Deckbox for all participants, John Avon's first appearance in years, and much much more! http://www.magicgp.com/GPNewJersey/index.html

Take my money!

[scrumdogg]

Hotel booked and pre-registered, coming out of retirement for the playmat (and the artists...)

[apple713]

Ill be there. Just too awesome to miss.

[pnutbutr]

I live about 30 minutes away... never played in a Legacy event, but I'm going just to check out the scene and have some fun.

[iamajellydonut]

Hey, New York guys, I have a question. The weekend after the GP is my birthday, so I was giving thought to just kinda taking the week off and living it up. I've looked at enough maps and Googled around enough to know that I can get from the venue to the city (or vice versa), but I'm wondering how much of a pain in the ass it is. Whether it's easier on paper and whether I should book another night to depart Monday morning and whether this that or the other thing.

tldr: How to venue->NYC for dummies.

[outpost1]

Getting ready for ‪#‎GPNJ‬? Check out some of the Legacy decklists played in this past weekend's ‪#‎SCGINVI‬! http://scg.im/leg_decks ‪:)

- Pete

[Bahra]

I'll be there too, coming all the way from big Denmark to visit little US of A ;D

[Stoyrm]

I'll be there too, coming all the way from big Denmark to visit little US of A ;D

That's pretty sweet. Be sure to convince Bonde and Enevoldsen as well (I've tried but they won't budge) xD! Moar scandinavians!

[Ziveeman]

Hey, New York guys, I have a question. The weekend after the GP is my birthday, so I was giving thought to just kinda taking the week off and living it up. I've looked at enough maps and Googled around enough to know that I can get from the venue to the city (or vice versa), but I'm wondering how much of a pain in the ass it is. Whether it's easier on paper and whether I should book another night to depart Monday morning and whether this that or the other thing.

tldr: How to venue->NYC for dummies.

I am wondering the same thing. If I don't make Day 2 (likely, considering I don't play that much Legacy as of late), so I would love to visit NYC for a day if possible.

[PirateKing]

The NJ Transit station in Edison goes straight into Penn Station in the city. Looking on the map, there is the station in Metuchen that's technically a closer drive from the convention center. Trains run pretty late too so you can make the most of your time. No easier way beyond having someone just drive you into the city. PM me for contact info if people are looking for rides to the trains station as I live right there.

[Barook]

SCG expects 6-6.5k people for GP Brainstorm (https://twitter.com/MadtownLems/status/514430852663889921) :eek:

[oarsman]

Cedric Phillips had a post saying they were prepared for 6000.
That is WAY different than saying they expect 6000.

[nodahero]

I will be there judging!! I am under the impression the 6k is a preety firm guess as wea re staffed for the event like crazy.

[iamajellydonut]

Cedric Phillips had a post saying they were prepared for 6000.
That is WAY different than saying they expect 6000.

But you don't prepare for six thousand unless you expect the possibility.

[Mr Miagi]

what about sidevents?

[Phelix]

what about sidevents?

Yes.

[Mr Miagi]

Yes.

as in: they have to make room and seats for these as well :wink:

[.dk]

Welp, got my tickets booked yesterday. See all you sourcers there!

[Meekrab]

SCG expects 6-6.5k people for GP Brainstorm (https://twitter.com/MadtownLems/status/514430852663889921) :eek:
All that story says is that they have enough judges to support 6000 players at the typical judge-player ratio.

[WorstBandNameEver]

Is it true there are going to be sanctioned vintage side events? I over heard this at an event recently.

[Megadeus]

For what it's worth, we do plan on having sanctioned Vintage events at GP: New Jersey! (Can't give out any more details than that at this time, but wanted to float that out there :)

[coraz86]

Got the time off, pricing plane tix, will be there.

Also, if anyone local-ish can recommend a sports bar, my boys and I will probably want to watch the Velasquez/Werdum UFC fight.

[Kayradis]

Vacations booked, booking the hotel today.
Looking forward to that GP!

[Tormod]

Picked up a couple byes at small GPT this weekend :smile:

[nodahero]

Congrats on the Byes!!

I think we should have a Sourcer meet up.

I just got my tickets booked for the flight out there. Now to figure out the hotel thing... Do I book last moment with my slacker judge buddies or do I book earlier and not stress but risk a bad roomate(s)... That is the question.

[outpost1]

Visit www.magicgp.com, to see why November 14th-16th’s #GPNJ is being called the “Can’t Miss #MTG Event of the Year!”, then preregister today! :)

Best wishes,

Pete Hoefling
President, StarCityGames.com
www.starcitygames.com

[thecrav]

SCG pushing hard on the marketing/spamming:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzhrLgDCYAAczHv.png:large

[lordofthepit]

SCG pushing hard on the marketing/spamming:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzhrLgDCYAAczHv.png:large

As they should

[T-101]

Vacation is scheduled, I'll be out there Thurs - Mon.

Has there been any developments on the possible Sourcer meet up?

[Lt. Quattro]

SCG pushing hard on the marketing/spamming:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzhrLgDCYAAczHv.png:large

Glad to see it as we know wizards ain't doing it.

[Michael Keller]

Preregistered! Also picked up a couple of byes from a GPT.

[outpost1]

Pallets upon pallets of sweet #GPNJ promotional swag arrived yesterday! Check out the pics at imgur.com/gallery/I0a40/, then preregister today at www.magicgp.com! #MTG

Best wishes,

Pete Hoefling
President, StarCityGames.com
www.starcitygames.com

[thecrav]

NJ will officially have the largest judge staff ever (https://twitter.com/misterorange/status/523210794037968897).

Still waiting to hear back from my boss about whether I can go :/

[JanoschEausH]

Since Eternal Weekend is brought up alot in this thread: Do you guys know if there will be coverage, most ideally a stream?

[H]

Since Eternal Weekend is brought up alot in this thread: Do you guys know if there will be coverage, most ideally a stream?

There was last year, I'm sure there will be this year

[Richard Cheese]

Great, now the whole GP has Ebola.

THANKS OBAMA.

[thecrav]

Evan Erwin is on Reddit claiming that at the current pre-reg rate, NJ will be larger than Vegas. (http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2klct8/over_1000_now_preregistered_for_grand_prix_new/)

In the same thread, Pete Hoefling is saying that their floor space should allow for 5,500-6,000 players (http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2klct8/over_1000_now_preregistered_for_grand_prix_new/clmldvv)

On a personal note, I've got hotel and airfare booked so I'm now 100% If anyone wants to split a cab or ride the train together from Newark, my flight lands at noon:35 Friday.

[Barook]

Aside from the massive SCG circlejerk, I wonder how an outcome this big is going to influence Wizards' view on Legacy.

[cdr]

Aside from the massive SCG circlejerk, I wonder how an outcome this big is going to influence Wizards' view on Legacy.

Not much to do with legacy. Starcity organizing + in the northeast. And Wizards knows that. Legacy format is guaranteed reducing turnout from what it would be in sealed, or even standard.

[Undomian]

Not much to do with legacy. Starcity organizing + in the northeast. And Wizards knows that. Legacy format is guaranteed reducing turnout from what it would be in sealed, or even standard.

It's interesting to compare this though to GP Orlando, which was hyped by SCG for months as well. According to Wikipedia, that GP only had 2277 players, and that was a sealed event for a format that was highly anticipated. I'm not sure how the SE US Magic community compares to the NE US community, but I think it says something that a Legacy GP might very well surpass a GP of a more 'desirable' format that had the benefit of the same TO and similar advertisement.

[thecrav]

I'd also chalk part of the popularity to location and EV.

Location is obvious: There's tons of people in the Northeast, for whom a trip to Jersey is quite easy.

EV: The stuff that they're giving you for your $50 is awesome. That playmat will be desired for years to come. I'd imagine that the playmat alone could pay for your entry and I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear about round 0 drops. In addition, the side events look fantastic. If I was anywhere near NJ, even if I didn't play eternal, I would be all over coming to this GP.

[LOLWut]

Not much to do with legacy. Starcity organizing + in the northeast. And Wizards knows that. Legacy format is guaranteed reducing turnout from what it would be in sealed, or even standard.

I think the use of "not much" is misleading; it (nearly) implies, that SCG organizing + in the northeast + any format = this turnout. Legacy may not be the only format that could get this, but Legacy does have a lot to do with the number. Making up numbers, but if it's true that Sealed would get 7500, Standard would get 6500, Legacy would get 5500, Block Constructed would get 1000, Vintage would get 500, Extended would get 500 if it existed, Archenemy would get 500, and whatever else, under the same circumstances, the turnout is very much a statement with meaning.

When you're solely comparing to Standard and Sealed, you're comparing to a relatively small and heavy-hitting group of formats. And we don't even know for sure that those other formats would do better; people could be coming out for Legacy specifically. And yes, obviously, many more people on the whole play Standard and Sealed than Legacy.

[cdr]

re Undomian: Florida consistently has the lowest turnout in the eastern US. There's just not a lot of population in driving distance. You have to go to isolated western states like Colorado or Utah before you get smaller turnout. 2200 players for Florida is impressive. Vegas only worked because of cheap airfare and modern masters hype/being the most +EV GP to enter of all time.

re LOLWut: It's impressive for legacy, but Barook was wondering if this would influence Wizards. Highly unlikely that Wizards would add another legacy GP or something because of this turnout (if it happens, it'll be from GP expansion, but I dunno how much more they could expand GPs).

[thecrav]

re LOLWut: It's impressive for legacy, but Barook was wondering if this would influence Wizards. Highly unlikely that Wizards would add another legacy GP or something because of this turnout (if it happens, it'll be from GP expansion, but I dunno how much more they could expand GPs).

We're up to three next year which I'm quite excited about!

[Lord Seth]

It's interesting to compare this though to GP Orlando, which was hyped by SCG for months as well. According to Wikipedia, that GP only had 2277 players, and that was a sealed event for a format that was highly anticipated.You say it "only" had 2277 players, but isn't that a pretty big turnout for a Limited Grand Prix?

[cdr]

You say it "only" had 2277 players, but isn't that a pretty big turnout for a Limited Grand Prix?

Sealed GPs historically have the largest turnouts.

[thecrav]

You say it "only" had 2277 players, but isn't that a pretty big turnout for a Limited Grand Prix?

I think that's more like "only" in terms of they could've had a lot more. Orlando was the sixth biggest GP of all time and the fourth biggest limited GP of all time. (5th/3rd if we don't count Vegas)

[Undomian]

I meant it more as in that it was small for a SCG GP, which seem to get quite a few more players than events hosted by other TOs.

[Que]

I'll be there reppin the Westcoast. :T

[Michael Keller]

I'll be there reppin the Westcoast. :T

I think it'd be good to meet other Sourcers; should be fun.

[Charon]

It's been years since I've seen Hollywood. Would be fun

[Ziveeman]

I'll be there reppin the Westcoast. :T

You booked your ticket? Hell yeah!

[Mr Miagi]

Unless I'm missing something I've spotted info there are only 100 pre-registred so far. How does this make it largest GP ever? Probably I'm missing somthing so do point me to the actual numbers (+reference)

[Parcher]

Unless I'm missing something I've spotted info there are only 100 pre-registred so far. How does this make it largest GP ever? Probably I'm missing somthing so do point me to the actual numbers (+reference)

You're probably looking at VIP. They cap it at like 200.

[Que]

You booked your ticket? Hell yeah!

Yes sir! Ready to crush!

@Hollywood. Yeah that would be legit. We can swap dredge notes lol. Parcher too xD

[Mr Miagi]

You're probably looking at VIP. They cap it at like 200.

ups, a typo, I meant 1000 preregistred players

[thecrav]

Unless I'm missing something I've spotted info there are only 100 pre-registred so far. How does this make it largest GP ever? Probably I'm missing somthing so do point me to the actual numbers (+reference)

(You meant 1000 and corrected yourself)

They're saying based on the rate of preregistrations. That is, if preregistrations continue at their current rate, they will end up with more registrations than Vegas got.

[pnutbutr]

So GP NJ is going to be my first GP. Hopefully one of you veterans can help me with a question I have.

The list I'm going to run includes a Batterskull, but I don't have one. I see that the GP promo is a Batterskull. Is it possible to use the promo card in my deck from a rules and logistics perspective?

[Misterjuzam]

So GP NJ is going to be my first GP. Hopefully one of you veterans can help me with a question I have.

The list I'm going to run includes a Batterskull, but I don't have one. I see that the GP promo is a Batterskull. Is it possible to use the promo card in my deck from a rules and logistics perspective?


As far as I can remember You should be able to use it The promo is handed to You when the judges take your decklist.

[TheArchitect]

Normally yes, you just get your reward at the player's meeting but given the size of the GP, it sounds like they are doing things differently. This is from their website:


No more long check-in lines! Show up for the player meeting on Saturday morning and receive a voucher for your Registration Rewards, redeemable at the Customer Service Station anytime thereafter.

I would recommend contacting SCG directly, possibly on their GP facebook page. They are pretty good at answering player's questions. Although from the sounds of it, you won't actually get your "rewards voucher" till the players meeting and won't get the reward till you go redeem it which might not be possible to get to before the first round starts.

[thecrav]

So GP NJ is going to be my first GP. Hopefully one of you veterans can help me with a question I have.

The list I'm going to run includes a Batterskull, but I don't have one. I see that the GP promo is a Batterskull. Is it possible to use the promo card in my deck from a rules and logistics perspective?

I'd imagine SCG will be running a super tight ship but at GP Washington, we'd already started playing by the time promos went out. I'd definitely consider borrowing or buying one just in case.

[TheArchitect]

I would be surprised if you could not find someone to lend you one. You could even swap them out after the first round or whatever when you get your promo.

[Julian23]

So GP NJ is going to be my first GP. Hopefully one of you veterans can help me with a question I have.

The list I'm going to run includes a Batterskull, but I don't have one. I see that the GP promo is a Batterskull. Is it possible to use the promo card in my deck from a rules and logistics perspective?

Don't spoil the great experience of your first GP (and probably one of the greatest ever) by not being able to find a BS in time and having to concede your first match.

[pnutbutr]

Thanks for the advice guys. I think maybe I'll just buy one ahead of time to be safe, then maybe sell it afterwards. Don't really know anyone I can borrow from.

[Undomian]

I know there was some talk of vintage going down at this a few weeks ago. Has anyone heard anything else about that?

[thecrav]

I know there was some talk of vintage going down at this a few weeks ago. Has anyone heard anything else about that?

An SCG employee has confirmed there will be vintage side events here (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28156-GP-New-Jersey/page2&p=818625#post818625) but no further information has been given.

[barcode]

An SCG employee has confirmed there will be vintage side events here (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28156-GP-New-Jersey/page2&p=818625#post818625) but no further information has been given.

According to magicgp.com they're underwhelming: If you go 4-0 you win 18 packs of Khans.

One sample event (there's more of these on other days), on Saturday, is the Vintage Challenge. $20 entry, prize payout:

4-0: 18 Khans of Tarkir booster packs, 80-ct. pack of Brainstorm sleeves
3-0-1: 15 Khans of Tarkir booster packs
3-1: 12 Khans of Tarkir booster packs
2-1-1 or 2-0-2: 9 Khans of Tarkir booster packs
2 Wins: 6 Khans of Tarkir booster packs
Other: 3 Khans of Tarkir booster packs


I'm not super excited about hauling a $14,000 deck to New Jersey for a shot at 18 packs of Khans for $20 entry, when for $40 I could buy 18 packs of Khans at the LGS.

[Arianrhod]

According to magicgp.com they're underwhelming: If you go 4-0 you win 18 packs of Khans.

One sample event (there's more of these on other days), on Saturday, is the Vintage Challenge. $20 entry, prize payout:

4-0: 18 Khans of Tarkir booster packs, 80-ct. pack of Brainstorm sleeves
3-0-1: 15 Khans of Tarkir booster packs
3-1: 12 Khans of Tarkir booster packs
2-1-1 or 2-0-2: 9 Khans of Tarkir booster packs
2 Wins: 6 Khans of Tarkir booster packs
Other: 3 Khans of Tarkir booster packs


I'm not super excited about hauling a $14,000 deck to New Jersey for a shot at 18 packs of Khans for $20 entry, when for $40 I could buy 18 packs of Khans at the LGS.

Strongly agreed. I'm not planning on bringing my vintage deck to this event. ESPECIALLY in New Jersey, which has a horrendous track record as a state with things getting stolen.

[Tormod]

12 more sleeps!

[Michael Keller]

12 more sleeps!

Can't wait!

[Richard Cheese]

Anyone know what time the venue opens on Saturday? I doubt I'll be able to make it by Friday and would like to try and pick up a couple last-minute additions.

[thecrav]

According to magicgp.com they're underwhelming: If you go 4-0 you win 18 packs of Khans.

One sample event (there's more of these on other days), on Saturday, is the Vintage Challenge. $20 entry, prize payout:
<snip>
I'm not super excited about hauling a $14,000 deck to New Jersey for a shot at 18 packs of Khans for $20 entry, when for $40 I could buy 18 packs of Khans at the LGS.

Ben's post seemed to imply to me that there would be an actual vintage event. This looks doesn't look like much more than "yea, we'll let you fire an eight man if you want."

Ideally, we'll all still be playing the main event when 6 rolls around. With a scheduled start time of 10A, it's likely to only be around round 6 by the time this event attempts to fire. Unless they announce something bigger or someone wants to arrange something, I'll be leaving my power at home.

Legacy challenge at 2P Friday is interesting. I'll be hauling my ass from the airport to try to make that.

[DTC]

Regarding the Hype, if the numbers are realistic, i can kind of understand it. Modern GP Richmond had over 4,000 people. This location is even more accessible by a larger population, and given the EV just for entering it's possible a bunch of people will enter and just port over modern decks or something, or budget legacy decks. The reddit thread suggests some people might even just register whatever and get the swag. We might see a lot of Round 1 drops for people just wanting brainstorm gear and to play side events during the day.

Plus there's other things to consider like a person playing Jund in Modern just needs the dual lands more or less to play it in Legacy.
Delver decks only require duals, forces and occasionally wastelands to port over.

If someone has an extensive enough modern pool, they may realistically not need much in terms of legacy cards outside of duals, wastelands, and force of will. Buy/borrow the duals for the colors your need, get force of wills if you run blue, and wastelands. The GP has been hyped for months, enough time to get what you would want even if you never played the format.

We could potentially see people budget their mana base and play shocks. It's not impossible. Is it less consistent? Sure, but if you're going to this and all you're missing from any of these decks is the duals, a half decent player could probably just use shocks and play around with their sequencing and still half-ass the event. Notably cute over eternal weekend was that one of the top 8 decks was substituting with shocks. The person will not likely Day 2, much less Top 8 a 6,000 person GP that way, but it won't stop people from enjoying some legacy fun I'm sure.

The biggest GP for Legacy would be interesting, but I'm wondering how the experience will actually turn out.

[Kayradis]

To be realistic, I've seen a fair amount of shock being played in DC last year.

[Michael Keller]

"Well let me tell you something, Mean Gene! It's been a long time coming, dude! I can remember dreaming way back when I was saying my prayers and taking my vitamins as a little 'Maniac with that Beta booster that I could be at the top of the mountain with the best of 'em, brother! But that was a different time and a different place, big man. I've seen the world change so much around me, brother; things just aren't the same anymore. But those dreams never die, brother! You know, it took a long time for Hollywood to get to where he is, man - all the beatings and losses I've had to take those many years ago. It all leads to this, brother! Oh yeah, that's right! And as I stare into the thousands of eyes of all those players looking for a chance at immortality, I've had to look at myself in the mirror, dude. And I looked deep into the dark trenches of my soul where no man or animal wants to go! I realized that fear - fear is what pushed me to be a better player, brother! And as we descend upon the biggest Grand Prix ever, dude, it's time to find out if it was all worth it! It's time for fear to take over, man!

I've had the 'Maniacs asking me if I can get there on the first go-around, brother. And I thought about it long and hard while training, big man! And you know something Mean Gene, 'Hollywood' is known for being the city of stars, brother. And with 'Star City' presenting the biggest Grand Prix ever, you can bet the dreams of that little 'Maniac twenty years ago will show the world that it doesn't matter how you start... it's how you finish, brother! So in closing, whatcha gonna do New Jersey and Star City Games, when Hollywood runs wild on you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HcPSSIm60)!"


http://s15.postimg.org/71lqdcud7/grandprix_600.jpg

[Tammit67]

I'm not planning on bringing my vintage deck to this event. ESPECIALLY in New Jersey, which has a horrendous track record


a horrendous track record

You would know :tongue:

It's ok, those packs are mine!

[Arianrhod]

You would know :tongue:

It's ok, those packs are mine!

You're welcome to them!

I haven't had anything stolen from my person, thankfully, although a few years ago a friend of mine had his partially japfoil Rector Fit + a bunch of 12post cards I was loaning him stolen. He did his best to get me back money / value for what was lost of mine, but it was still a bit of a wake-up call. Jersey's a dangerous place for cardboard.

[thecrav]

Regarding the Hype, if the numbers are realistic, i can kind of understand it. Modern GP Richmond had over 4,000 people. This location is even more accessible by a larger population, and given the EV just for entering it's possible a bunch of people will enter and just port over modern decks or something, or budget legacy decks. The reddit thread suggests some people might even just register whatever and get the swag. We might see a lot of Round 1 drops for people just wanting brainstorm gear and to play side events during the day.


They've said multiple times that they won't let you register just for the swag but they've also said you can do the insta-drop. There's now a conversation on Twitter regarding whether you can register and show up late, effectively having only registered for the swag. Thus far, SCG's response is "we can probably work something out."

Personally, I desperately hope that is not the case. If so, they're going to be ruining round one for a lot of people. At least a round one drop requires that I meet a new person who shakes my hand as they sign the slip.

[.dk]

They've said multiple times that they won't let you register just for the swag but they've also said you can do the insta-drop. There's now a conversation on Twitter regarding whether you can register and show up late, effectively having only registered for the swag. Thus far, SCG's response is "we can probably work something out."

Personally, I desperately hope that is not the case. If so, they're going to be ruining round one for a lot of people. At least a round one drop requires that I meet a new person who shakes my hand as they sign the slip.

That's why they have so many judges for this event. That way they can attend to everyone with their hands raised and yelling when the round 1 timer starts.

[Polishguy00]

"Well let me tell you something, Mean Gene! It's been a long time coming, dude! I can remember dreaming way back when I was saying my prayers and taking my vitamins as a little 'Maniac with that Beta booster that I could be at the top of the mountain with the best of 'em, brother! But that was a different time and a different place, big man. I've seen the world change so much around me, brother; things just aren't the same anymore. But those dreams never die, brother! You know, it took a long time for Hollywood to get to where he is, man - all the beatings and losses I've had to take those many years ago. It all leads to this, brother! Oh yeah, that's right! And as I stare into the thousands of eyes of all those players looking for a chance at immortality, I've had to look at myself in the mirror, dude. And I looked deep into the dark trenches of my soul where no man or animal wants to go! I realized that fear - fear is what pushed me to be a better player, brother! And as we descend upon the biggest Grand Prix ever, dude, it's time to find out if it was all worth it! It's time for fear to take over, man!

I've had the 'Maniacs asking me if I can get there on the first go-around, brother. And I thought about it long and hard while training, big man! And you know something Mean Gene, 'Hollywood' is known for being the city of stars, brother. And with 'Star City' presenting the biggest Grand Prix ever, you can bet the dreams of that little 'Maniac twenty years ago will show the world that it doesn't matter how you start... it's how you finish, brother! So in closing, whatcha gonna do New Jersey and Star City Games, when Hollywood runs wild on you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HcPSSIm60)!"


http://s15.postimg.org/71lqdcud7/grandprix_600.jpg

Thank you for this. It's fantastic.

[thecrav]

They've said multiple times that they won't let you register just for the swag but they've also said you can do the insta-drop. There's now a conversation on Twitter regarding whether you can register and show up late, effectively having only registered for the swag. Thus far, SCG's response is "we can probably work something out."

Personally, I desperately hope that is not the case. If so, they're going to be ruining round one for a lot of people. At least a round one drop requires that I meet a new person who shakes my hand as they sign the slip.

Within a minute of showing this conversation on Twitter to some friends, I had someone ask if they could register, not go, and have me pick up their stuff for them.

[Richard Cheese]

Within a minute of showing this conversation on Twitter to some friends, I had someone ask if they could register, not go, and have me pick up their stuff for them.

I can at least understand wanting the playmat but not wanting to spring for the added expense of the trip/lodgings, and so on. Showing up just to drop...that blows my mind.

[thecrav]

I can at least understand wanting the playmat but not wanting to spring for the added expense of the trip/lodgings, and so on. Showing up just to drop...that blows my mind.

I'm not shocked at all. Let's look at the swag:

1 GP Foil Promo Batterskull - TCG mid is $17.04 . The cheapest one shipped is $15.33
1 Brainstorm Playmat - hard to price, but I looked into similar playmats (prices listed below to prevent clutter). The long term value of this is certainly above $50. These playmats are often even higher value right after the event as they haven't spread around to the collectors yet. It's also certainly a collector's item that will hold value for quite some time. I'd conservatively place the value at $100, but let's just say $50 for argument's sake.
1 Pack of 80 Brainstorm Sleeves - On the super low end, assume the same price as a regular pack of sleeves which is around ~$8.
1 Brainstorm Deckbox - On the low end, deckboxes are around $5.

With that, we're looking at a minimum value of $78 - a $28 profit on your $50 entry. Combine that with good side events and I'm not at all surprised that people would show up, enter, and insta-drop. I'm also not surprised that people would try to find ways around SCG's stated policy that, "Registration rewards are only available to participants in the Grand Prix."

My concern is that at such high levels of EV just for dropping out, you're going to have a lot of players with no round one opponent. As much as I love a bye, an unexpected bye is no fun. I'll be quite curious to see how much smaller the pairings list is for round two.

My solution:

Hand out the swag during round three. At this point, everyone in the tournament is still live for day two. The only people who are not playing are the few who have three byes. These players could pick up their stuff during that round. This at least requires the value-seekers to show up for three rounds of Magic. Even if they insta-concede, the increased time commitment is likely to turn off a lot of people.



Prices for highly-desirable playmats, based on the average price of the last five (if five available, otherwise, all recent) sold listings for a single playmat:
GP Richmond (Eternal Witness) - $35.20
GP Vegas (MMA Sword of Fire and Ice) - $53.84
Eternal Weekend 2013 (MMA Tarmogoyf) - $100
Eternal Weeknd 2014 (Cruiclbe of Worlds) - 53.99

[H]

On the subject of Vintage, people have been discussing playing on tMD here (http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=46907.0) even though the EV is obviously terrible. I think the EV on going, playing a little Legacy, getting your playmat and stuff, dropping if you do bad and playing Vintage is worth it, but maybe that's just me. That's what I would do if real life things weren't keeping me from going.

I am probably going to see if any of my New York friends are going and see if I can pay them for the registration perks, because I would definitely pay 50 bucks for all that.

[Parcher]

I

Hand out the swag during round three. At this point, everyone in the tournament is still live for day two. The only people who are not playing are the few who have three byes. These players could pick up their stuff during that round. This at least requires the value-seekers to show up for three rounds of Magic. Even if they insta-concede, the increased time commitment is likely to turn off a lot of people.

SCG already said how they are handling this. When they collect deck reg at the players meeting, they will give your your Premium voucher, your Batterskull, and a voucher for the Brainstorm swag. Anytime after this, you can go to their Customer Services Booth, and turn in the voucher. So it wouldn't surprise me to see a bunch of people leaving to enjoy their byes, a bunch rushing to the pairings boards, and a bunch rushing that booth at the end of the meeting.

[Michael Keller]

Damon are you guys going up from VA/MD? Who all is coming?

[Parcher]

Damon are you guys going up from VA/MD? Who all is coming?

Me, the Pogues, the Hatfields, Dr Dan, Bob, the Edelkamps, Jeff, Lance, Zohar. All I can think of.

[lsho]

Me, the Pogues, the Hatfields, Dr Dan, Bob, the Edelkamps, Jeff, Lance, Zohar. All I can think of.

Sounds like the cast of a Western movie.

[say no to scurvy]

Would anyone have a set of painter's servants and grindstone to lend me on Saturday? I have plenty of collateral and would be deeply appreciative.

[PirateKing]

Would anyone have a set of painter's servants and grindstone to lend me on Saturday? I have plenty of collateral and would be deeply appreciative.

I have 2/2 I will not be using, not a full set. Let me know.

[Mirrislegend]

What are the odds that they'll cap the event before you can get in, if you wait til day-of to register?

Also, anyone got a set of Scrublands they're not using? I can do collateral and there are plenty of high end players in RI who will vouch for me.

[Megadeus]

What are the odds that they'll cap the event before you can get in, if you wait til day-of to register?

I think I heard they are prepared to have done asinine number that they definitely won't get, so I'm sure you'll be fine

[Fry]

What are the odds that they'll cap the event before you can get in, if you wait til day-of to register?


They aren't allowing day-of registrations anymore. You have to register at least one day before if you plan on being in the GP event.

[Klazam]

Hollywood! i'd like to see ya again :D
running my ol' faithful

[Michael Keller]

Hollywood! i'd like to see ya again :D
running my ol' faithful

It's going to be lots of fun!

[HammafistRoob]

They aren't allowing day-of registrations anymore. You have to register at least one day before if you plan on being in the GP event.

Is this true? Link?

[VsTheWorld]

Is this true? Link?

Yea it's a general GP policy now as a result of increased event size. There is on-site registration Friday, but not Saturday.

[iamajellydonut]

There's apparently a 7pm Legacy weekly about 30min away in Somerville if anyone else is coming in today.

[cdr]

Is this true? Link?

http://www.magicgp.com/faq.html

If you haven't been to a GP in awhile, the policy was changed after GP Las Vegas due to the fact that there's no way you can reasonably run Saturday registration with modern-day GP sizes. Saturday registration was always a mess anyway, and with GPs having online registration now it shouldn't affect almost anyone.

[barcode]

http://www.magicgp.com/faq.html

If you haven't been to a GP in awhile, the policy was changed after GP Las Vegas due to the fact that there's no way you can reasonably run Saturday registration with modern-day GP sizes. Saturday registration was always a mess anyway, and with GPs having online registration now it shouldn't affect almost anyone.

GP Toronto, last year, was the last GP with Saturday registration.

That GP was a clusterfuck. Round 9 ended past midnight.

[Barook]

Does anyone know when the coverage is going to start?

[Michael Keller]

Does anyone know when the coverage is going to start?

I'm not too sure, although I don't think they start until at least round three or four, I'd imagine...

[decan]

Does anyone know when the coverage is going to start?


Friday (Live VS Series with BBD & CVM) - 6PM to ~9PM

Saturday (Day One of Grand Prix New Jersey) - 10:30AM to end of Round 9

Sunday (Day Two of Grand Prix New Jersey) - 9AM to end of the event



http://www.starcitygames.com/article/29731_Grand-Prix-New-Jersey-1-Day-Out.html

A lot of streamed legacy

[r3dd09]

I better see everyone this weekend! I'm working at CardMaster. Come say hi!

[Michael Keller]

On my way to Jersey! Good luck and hope to see everyone there!

[force_of_phil]

Good luck, sourcers.

[(nameless one)]

Good luck Sourcers. Remember to keep calm and Brainstorm!

[bakofried]

I better see Maverick kicking some ass!

[Barook]

I better see Maverick kicking some ass!
Don't kid yourself, it's going to be a Brainstorm clusterfuck.

Good luck and fun to all Sourcers!

[bakofried]

Don't kid yourself, it's going to be a Brainstorm clusterfuck.

Good luck and fun to all Sourcers!

If I can kid myself though a master's program, some chucklefuck can pilot dorks and hate through the assload of blue.

[T-101]

I better see Maverick kicking some ass!

I'll be doin' my best. I took down a Grinder for byes this evening, cutting down my foes with gigantic Knights of the Wasteland.

[ahg113]

Good luck Sourcers. Remember to keep calm and Brainstorm!

No, will not do. Offended. Brainstorm is not for everyone. Sour grapes.

Says guy attending to obtain Batterskull promo and Brainstorm playmat.

[sdematt]

I'll be doin' my best. I took down a Grinder for byes this evening, cutting down my foes with gigantic Knights of the Wasteland.

Fight the good fight. Can't stop. Won't stop. Don't ever stop.

-Matt

[Quasim0ff]

May your blood moons and Knight's beat those 3colour clusterfuck treasure cruise decks!

pls share brainstorm playmat!

[Michael Keller]

Grand Prix time!

[JanoschEausH]

I can't seem to find a coverage page for this event (written coverage and stream). There is just this: (http://www.magicgp.com/index.html) where there is basically no relevant information... Can someone help me?

[iamajellydonut]

Table numbers go up to 1913. :(

[Maagler]

Stream for those interested:

http://www.twitch.tv/scglive


over 4200 players

[iamajellydonut]

This delay is impressive. I wonder how many drops we're up to. I'm not gonna lie, my bye-less ass was hoping for a round one no-show.

[HammerAndSickled]

I'm here with one bye, representing Lands.

[nedleeds]

"if you're scared of force of will you shouldn't be playing this deck" - regarding Oops all dicks

... if you're playing that deck you are broke and just wanted the Brainstorm mat ...

[Gheizen64]

Delver so balanced Kreygasm

Pikula i still love you :cool:

[Whippoorwill]

And we already have reports of the Deathblade player stacking his deck to draw the Force that gave him the win in Game 3 during Round 1 on camera.

[nedleeds]

Why do they keep talking about these shitty decks like the pilot chose to play it because of the quality of the deck? They are playing these piles of shit because they are cheap.

[ReAnimator]

So round two, Chris "Meddling Mage" Pikula VS. the worst manaless dredge player ever.
Only discarded 3 cards to Phantasmagorian instead of 6, and on his first dredge he puts a Street Wraith BELOW a nether shadow.
Freaking amateur hour over here.

Good for Pikula getting a second bye essentially (assuming he can pull out one of the next two games). He's one of the good guys in the game so i'll always wish him well and cheer him on.

[Noctalor]

So round two, Chris "Meddling Mage" Pikula VS. the worst manaless dredge player ever.
Only discarded 3 cards to Phantasmagorian instead of 6, and on his first dredge he puts a Street Wraith BELOW a nether shadow.
Freaking amateur hour over here.

Good for Pikula getting a second bye essentially. He's one of the good guys in the game so i'll always wish him well and cheer him on.

He had 2 probes, so why should he discard them?

[ReAnimator]

He had 2 probes, so why should he discard them?

Did he? i missed that!
I'm an idiot.

[Noctalor]

Did he? i missed that!
I'm an idiot.

Yes he double probed turn after, btw there are still a shitload of missplays going on, like sac nether second for no reason in G2...

[ReAnimator]

Yes he double probed turn after, btw there are still a shitload of missplays going on, like sac nether second for no reason in G2...

Yeah i don't think he's actually read Nether Shadow fully, cause he's missplayed it and miss ordered it at every possible point.

[Noctalor]

MAAAAH GAD STOP PRETENDING TO HAVE A BRAIN BURN PLAYER!


Thinking 5 minutes on each spell, still missplays every single thing :cry:

[Megadeus]

He's playing burn. You expect him to make good plays?

[nedleeds]

So round two, Chris "Meddling Mage" Pikula VS. the worst manaless dredge player ever.
Only discarded 3 cards to Phantasmagorian instead of 6, and on his first dredge he puts a Street Wraith BELOW a nether shadow.
Freaking amateur hour over here.

Good for Pikula getting a second bye essentially (assuming he can pull out one of the next two games). He's one of the good guys in the game so i'll always wish him well and cheer him on.

Agree despite playing miserable Delver I'd love to see him top 8 the GP if I can't have my top 8 of

1 Dragon Stompy
1 Moat Stompy
1 Braids Stompy
1 Cavern of Humans
1 Drake Stompy
1 Hydraball
1 DragonStorm
1 Cavern of Bringers

[nedleeds]

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10382146_10152506579368379_205869266173181494_n.jpg?oh=a8fc58c2ec290840d9b6815229283b87&oe=551CB6BB

[(nameless one)]

I LOLed at the nedleeds shout out

[apple713]

is there coverage somewhere other than twitch?

[Gheizen64]

Damn got banned from SGC live chat because i ironically called other people nerds :laugh:

Nice Nazimods.

Rittner playing so smooth he already won.

[(nameless one)]

That Keranos FTW.

Also, telling people to kill themselves for playing Magic isn't really funny if you were that guy.

[Gheizen64]

That Keranos FTW.

Also, telling people to kill themselves for playing Magic isn't really funny if you were that guy.

Nah my post was after that one i think. A guy said "ppl on twitch calling other people nerds Kappa" and i said "fukken nerds Kappa" ironically in response and got perma'd, well whatever.

[Tylert]

Turtenwald playing the hype with UR delver.
Dies 2-0 thanks to life gain.

In game 2 I'm pretty sure he had lethal as his opponent was holding only one relevant card: daze with a Tapped deathrite shaman at 5 life, while owen had two lightning bolts 3 lands and a brainstorm. He choose to cast brainstorm instead of firering the two bolts.
What would you do in that situation? do you play around spell pierce or force of will (and loose like he did) or try to kill on the spot? Of course being on the draw, there are more chances that the esper deathblade guy has sidedout dazes...

[Noctalor]

Turtenwald playing the hype with UR delver.
Dies 2-0 thanks to life gain.

In game 2 I'm pretty sure he had lethal as his opponent was holding only one relevant card: daze with a Tapped deathrite shaman at 5 life, while owen had two lightning bolts 3 lands and a brainstorm. He choose to cast brainstorm instead of firering the two bolts.
What would you do in that situation? do you play around spell pierce or force of will (and loose like he did) or try to kill on the spot?

I saw that too but i was thinking i didnt saw correctly because there is no reason to not play third land and just double bolt.

So are you sure he had 2 bolts?
I think i saw a bold and a chain lightning but seems so strange that he played that hand in that way :confused:

Maybe he didnt knew a card and he played around Spell Pierce? (He could bolt the body after pierce on smash to prevent more gainlife, but bolting into face he was KO in case of Pierce)

[Kathal]

I should start watching the stream :S (or to be specific, the chat :D )

Most of the times, the twitch chat is the most awesome thing from a coverage :D

Greetings,
Kathal

PS: Was there any good game until now? Had stuff to do and watched Madrid, so I couldn't watch Legacy :(

[Tylert]

I saw that too but i was thinking i didnt saw correctly because there is no reason to not play third land and just double bolt.

So are you sure he had 2 bolts?
I think i saw a bold and a chain lightning but seems so strange that he played that hand in that way :confused:

Maybe he didnt knew a card and he played around Spell Pierce? (He could bolt the body after pierce on smash to prevent more gainlife, but bolting into face he was KO in case of Pierce)

Bolt or chain lightning would have the same result. He could do it on his turn.
Yeah my guess is he would more likely be playing around spell pierce. Some people like siding out dazes on the draw.
Anyway, there's a deathrite shaman active, so i guess he should have tried...

[Barook]

Most of the times, the twitch chat is the most awesome thing from a coverage :D
That's not hard when they show a Brainstorm-based counter shell/Delver basically every goddamn round.

[Tylert]

That's not hard when they show a Brainstorm-based counter shell/Delver basically every goddamn round.

That's quite astounding to see all Pros playing some sort of delver brew...
but from what i saw: Nass loses to Miracles, Turtenwald looses to Esper deathblade and Sam black just barely won game 2 vs storm which had win the first game... Nice delver choice :)

[Darkenslight]

That's quite astounding to see all Pros playing some sort of delver brew...
but from what i saw: Nass loses to Miracles, Turtenwald looses to Esper deathblade and Sam black just barely won game 2 vs storm which had win the first game... Nice delver choice :)

That's definitely an...interesting keep. Unfortunate triple-IT draw from storm there.

[JanoschEausH]

That's definitely an...interesting keep. Unfortunate triple-IT draw from storm there.

Why did he even keep the hand if it hasn't the ability to kill Black right on the spot?

[Dia_Bot]

It's defenitely a greedy/bad keep against a deck with a lot of softcouners. Such a shame :frown:

[Darkenslight]

Why did he even keep the hand if it hasn't the ability to kill Black right on the spot?

It was a mana source away from an instant-kill - the 7 was GProbe, LED, Petal, IT, IT, Therapy, DRit.

[Phoenix Ignition]

Anyone else sick of seeing Young Pyromancers already?

No? Well here's UWR delver vs UR delver. Enjoy.

[JDK]

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10382146_10152506579368379_205869266173181494_n.jpg?oh=a8fc58c2ec290840d9b6815229283b87&oe=551CB6BB

Wait what? Twitch always tells me the chat is disabled for SCGLive. O.o

[Kathal]

Wait what? Twitch always tells me the chat is disabled for SCGLive. O.o

Go to the magic site, the Chat isn't disabled there. Furthermore, there are some ways to get the SCGlive Chat online, were several people are (like 400++ people on average).

@Storm game, if he would have drawn a underground/badlands instead of the volcanic he would have won without a problem. So I can understand his keep.

Greetings,
Kathal

[haganbmj]

Wait what? Twitch always tells me the chat is disabled for SCGLive. O.o

Starcity disabled the chat on their twitch page (probably don't want to deal with moderating it), but for some reason Twitch doesn't actually disable chat.. just the display of it.
You can get to the chat here

http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/chat

[Noctalor]

Nice, another UR Delver!

[Barook]

What annoys and downright alienates me are those new, fucking stupid names - what in the name of fuck is a Jeskai Stoneblade deck? Is that a UWR Delver deck? Or one of those new UWR control-based decks?

It's confusing since that name is interchangably used for both decks.

[Kathal]

Starcity disabled the chat on their twitch page (probably don't want to deal with moderating it), but for some reason Twitch doesn't actually disable chat.. just the display of it.
You can get to the chat here

http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/chat

The reason is pretty simple. Several years ago, the chat wasn't 'disabled', it was well moderated. But one time, a mod went crazy and banned nearly half of the chat users. The reason for that was some misplays from the players and the chat argued about that (if I remember correct). Since SCG didn't want it to happen again, the just disabled it and switched to twitter, since they don't have to mod this.

Greetings,
Kathal

[(nameless one)]

LOL did anyone see the Ponder that lost him the game?

[Phoenix Ignition]

LOL did anyone see the Ponder that lost him the game?

Martell scooped so not really. But yeah it could have.

[Kathal]

Yeah, but Martell conceded for him, since he was dead next turn. I like that attitude.

Greetings,
Kathal

PS: He could have also won, if he plays Jitte and equip it to TNN and give it +4/+4 in his last turn. The force could also handle the smash.

[conboy31]

IIRC Martell had a smash to smithereens (and pyroblast?) in his hand the entire time.

[Kathal]

Didn't had Pyroblast, but 2x FOW, which I forgot.

Greetings,
Kathal

[Noctalor]

Didn't had Pyroblast, but 2x FOW, which I forgot.

Greetings,
Kathal

He was unable to Fow, he was at 1.

[sdematt]

I appreciate coverage, but fuck me, I want to see some new faces. I don't care what the regular SCG people are talking about. They should be taking this opportunity to put up new decks and new players maybe Americans haven't seen before. Put up some Euros and see what's up. Like we don't see enough of the Brad/Chris/Brian/Tom tag team.

-Matt

[ESG]

I appreciate coverage, but fuck me, I want to see some new faces. I don't care what the regular SCG people are talking about. They should be taking this opportunity to put up new decks and new players maybe Americans haven't seen before. Put up some Euros and see what's up. Like we don't see enough of the Brad/Chris/Brian/Tom tag team.

-Matt

Yeah, I'm with ya. There are 96 players at 6-0 right now, and they aren't all playing Stoneforge or Delver. If I was setting up matches to cover, they would not just be repeats unless it was very late in the tournament. I would much prefer to see Dredge or Lands or MUD or Elves or Punishing Maverick or that Dack Fayden deck that Cedric was talking about.

[nedleeds]

You might not get to hear that guy say 'perfect brainstorm' for the 69,699 time though?

[Wanderlust]

No more Young Pyromancer decks on camera please.

[ESG]

You might not get to hear that guy say 'perfect brainstorm' for the 69,699 time though?

Adrian Sullivan's Achilles' heel. I like his writing, but I'm glad he isn't doing coverage anymore.

Edit: Affinity on camera. Finally some nonblue action.

[Anarky87]

The looks on this McDuffie kid's face summarizes how I've felt having to watch non-stop coverage of Delver decks today.

[Jo11ygrnreefer]

Was watching the coverage at work, but i definitely agree with your guy's gripes, wanna see more footage of europeans and obscure//unpopular decks. What the hell is Jeskai Stoneblade???

[TheAardvark]

Was watching the coverage at work, but i definitely agree with your guy's gripes, wanna see more footage of europeans and obscure//unpopular decks. What the hell is Jeskai Stoneblade???

Uh, the deck that won the SCG Legacy Open last weekend?

[nedleeds]

Adrian Sullivan's Achilles' heel. I like his writing, but I'm glad he isn't doing coverage anymore.

Edit: Affinity on camera. Finally some nonblue action.

Affinity guy needed to draw brainstorm. Never did ....

[apple713]

in case you aren't following the coverage....

This may be the most depressing photo of all time for the red mages of the world.
http://i.imgur.com/rFAgoapl.jpg (http://imgur.com/rFAgoap)


I think i might be more surprised that white stax made it into the top tables at a legacy GP. one lucky mofo.

[Lt. Quattro]

Please stop talking about lands and put it on camera.

[Barook]

in case you aren't following the coverage....

This may be the most depressing photo of all time for the red mages of the world.
http://i.imgur.com/rFAgoapl.jpg (http://imgur.com/rFAgoap)


I think i might be more surprised that white stax made it into the top tables at a legacy GP. one lucky mofo.
How does the Staxx player bypass the opposing Bridge without blowing up his board? O-Ring effects?

[apple713]

How does the Staxx player bypass the opposing Bridge without blowing up his board? O-Ring effects?

eventually smokestack will come out and destroy opponent...typically crucible of worlds allows stax to recycle lands to smokestack

[Anarky87]

I know I ran O-Ring in my build. Or if he's running Smokestack, he could just lock him under it.

[apple713]

does someone publish day 1 undefeated deck lists somewhere tonight or do we have to wait till tomorrow?

[ESG]

Sourcer update at the end of Day 1:

Akatsuki @ 8-1

Einherjer @ 8-1

Nitewolf @ 8-1

Feline @ 7-2

Parcher @ 7-2

Oarsman @ 6-3

Nightmare @ 6-3

Stryfo @ 6-3

Julian23 @ 5-3-1

Phelix (think this is you) @ 5-3-1

I don't know what the cutoff is for Day 2, but this is an enormous tournament. I just tracked the people I recognized. Please add to the list if you know others ...

[Megadeus]

Just found out three Atlanta people are undefeated 2 URW blade at 9-0 and a Jund man with main board chains at 8-0-1

Also X-2 is the cutoff

[FoolofaTook]

Just found out three Atlanta people are undefeated 2 URW blade at 9-0 and a Jund man with main board chains at 8-0-1

Also X-2 is the cutoff

Is the Jund guy playing a full set of chains or just 2x?

[Megadeus]

1 main, don't know how many board

[snorlaxcom]

Made it with 7-2

[ESG]

Just found out three Atlanta people are undefeated 2 URW blade at 9-0 and a Jund man with main board chains at 8-0-1

Also X-2 is the cutoff

Hmmm, that's a tough cut. Makes sense, though, based on how huge the event is. Judging by the Round 1 standings, the turnout was 4,173 players.

[FoolofaTook]

1 main, don't know how many board

If he doesn't have a way to tutor up the chains, which he likely doesn't, then really they're not part of the conversation I think. He might well have gotten matchups in which they were fundamental and also gotten them in hand in time to make that meaningful but that's a random event. Sounds like he's one of the lucky Junds that got full value out of the power level of the cards in Jund without suffering from the inconsistency the archetype is famous for.

[PirateKing]

I went 6-3

[Tammit67]

I died really fast then started stalking sourcers. Got to introduce myself to Julian, probably creeped him out.

Top tables looked really interesting, sorry to hear the coverage was the same 3 decks

[Undomian]

Barely got in to day 2 with a 7-2 record.

[sdematt]

Barely got in to day 2 with a 7-2 record.

Well, if you get to Thopter+Sword + Kelch der Leere people, that's all that matters. It seems like 2000 people decided to play UR judging by the coverage.

-Matt

[Klazam]

Went 6-3 with dredge, losing the last match because i kept the worst hand in the world. I don't know what i was thinking: 3 faithless looting, 2 cephalid coliseum, 1 cabal therapy, 1 ichorid

[Darkenslight]

I died really fast then started stalking sourcers. Got to introduce myself to Julian, probably creeped him out.

Top tables looked really interesting, sorry to hear the coverage was the same 3 decks

Yup. Seriously, fuck SCG's coverage. DelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverStonebladeStonebladeDelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverStonebladeStoneblade Ooh! It's a Storm deck....a STORM deeeeck!

(The above is a parody of the Badger Song).

[bruizar]

Went 6-3 with dredge, losing the last match because i kept the worst hand in the world. I don't know what i was thinking: 3 faithless looting, 2 cephalid coliseum, 1 cabal therapy, 1 ichorid

Lack of nutrition/hydration + overexhausted?

[CabalTherapy]

The author of the SneakShow primer JPA also managed to sneak through Day1 @ 7-2.

[Wilkin]

Made day 2 at 8-1 record.

[Phelix]

I died really fast then started stalking sourcers. Got to introduce myself to Julian, probably creeped him out.

Top tables looked really interesting, sorry to hear the coverage was the same 3 decks

Just showed this to Julian. He confirms.










Just kidding ;p

[Barook]

Just found out three Atlanta people are undefeated 2 URW blade at 9-0 and a Jund man with main board chains at 8-0-1

Also X-2 is the cutoff
Not too suprising - UWR SFM decks are the best choice for that kind of meta.

I assume the Jund list was Punishing Jund, which should also perform very well against such a meta. He probably got lucky on the matches and dodged bullets like combo. He should chew up those top UWR Stoneblade deck as well.

If he doesn't get unlucky for the rest of the day, he might be our token non-Brainstorm deck in the Top 8.


Yup. Seriously, fuck SCG's coverage. DelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverStonebladeStonebladeDelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverdelverStonebladeStoneblade
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/20/20dc7825d07c77cf179e08b58cdfaf736e09542908cb9a1dfd07bbbc900f35ec.jpg

[dsck]

That landstill deck must be the ugliest deck I have ever seen, and I have seen some shit..