[Podcast] Everyday Eternal Podcast Episode 24: Conspiracy Theories

[thecrav]

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In episode 24 of Everyday Eternal, Matt (sdematt), Sam (dat's me), Sean (nedleeds), and Julian Knab (Julian23) discuss possible eternal-playable cards from the new set, Conspiracy. A few cards from M15 have been spoiled, so we discuss those as well.

0:01:26 Council’s Judgment
0:10:00 Marchesa’s Infiltrator
0:13:37 Plea for Power
0:19:09 Treasonous Ogre
0:21:28 Brago, King Eternal
0:24:25 Dack Fayden
0:29:33 Dack’s Duplicate
0:31:31 Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
0:38:05 Magister of Worth
0:42:19 Coercive Portal
0:49:40 Waste Not
1:09:30 Ulcerate
1:12:05 Military Inteligence
1:14:27 Reclamation Sage
1:17:47 Plays of the Week
1:30:17 Outro

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[nedleeds]

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[Teluin]

I don't think you guys gave Waste Not enough credit. With Hymn to Tourach, it can be pretty amazing CA.

[Koby]

I don't think you guys gave Waste Not enough credit. With Hymn to Tourach, it can be pretty amazing CA.

To be fair, the last part of that is still a valid statement.

[nedleeds]

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/m11/103.jpg

I think I'd almost rather have this.

[Teluin]

Hymn + Waste Not means they lose 2 cards, and unless they discard 2 land, which is pretty decent in itself but rare, you gain:
a 2/2 creature + a card draw
2 creatures
2 cards draws
mana for another spell (including discard since we're talking about Pox here) + a 2/2 creature
or mana (to use on the) + card draw.

For 1 Hymn.

[Teluin]

Pardon the lack of grammar.

[nedleeds]

You've spent a turn. You've spent 2 cards. You might get ... 2 tokens. You might get BB BB.

Why not just Hymn them twice? (with Mindcrank or some other 2 for 1). Why are you spending a card on Waste Not, just cast a Sculler. Then Hymn them. Look ... you have a 2/2. At least if you draw Sculler on turn 10 it's a creature and not a card that reads 1B - Enchantment "Put this on the battlefield and stare at it."

[Teluin]

You've spent a turn playing a Pox deck though - that's different. The deck isn't fast, and it's super control. I actually think this card makes the deck win much faster, and lets it draw cards - both traditional problems for it. Anyway, who knows if it's good but I think in the 1 deck it has a lot of potential.

[Koby]

My point was that Hymn alone is good enough to play. You don't need to talk about Waste Not to justify Hymn to Tourach. Raven's Crime + Waste Not, now that's a meaningful discussion.

[Megadeus]

Burning inquiry bitches.

[Barook]

My point was that Hymn alone is good enough to play. You don't need to talk about Waste Not to justify Hymn to Tourach. Raven's Crime + Waste Not, now that's a meaningful discussion.
Waste Not into Liliana doesn't seem completely bad, either.

The main problems I see with Waste Not are

- does nothing by itself, which means you have to compensate for -1 CA first
- if your opponent has no cards in hands because he vomited everything on the board, it's dead as well

If you wanted some mileage out of it, you would need to run Anvil of Bogardan, preferably combined with Chains for maximum trolling.

[nedleeds]

Yeah if I'm 2 card comboing with a 1B enchantment it's Chains ...

[Megadeus]

I'll probably play it for fun. You could play matster of feast so that you can assure your opponent of having something to discard every turn

[Jon]

I'll probably play it for fun. You could play matster of feast so that you can assure your opponent of having something to discard every turn

Unless its an Abrupt Decay for your Master of Feast or Lilianna or Waste Not.

[Aggro_zombies]

Yeah, Waste Not is pretty terrible. Once your opponent realizes that you're on the "make them discard their hand for value" plan they just dump their spells and now you're running tons of dead discard spells and a dead on-board Waste Not (plus, presumably, more in your deck). It's the same reason Megrim and Liliana's Caress have not and will never be good.

Running yourself out of cards isn't even all that big a deal in Legacy given that Brainstorm, Ponder, and Top are all legal and all allow you to live off the top of your library effectively.

EDIT: Actually, I take that back. Megrim was briefly good with Memory Jar for the space of, like, one tournament.

[Megadeus]

Alright. Master of the Waste (Master of Feces)

4 Master of the Feast
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 waste not
4 Hymn to tourach
4 Dark Ritual
3 Howling Mine
4 Burning Inquiry
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Dreadbore
4 Dark Confidant
2 Reanimate

Stuff

[nedleeds]

If it was a 2/1 creature it would be good.

[Lord Seth]

I don't think Waste Not will be particularly effective in Legacy, but from what I can tell it looks like it might be pretty powerful in Modern's 8Rack deck.

[Goblin Cabdriver]

Waste not is just another card in a long line of pox cards that are great early game, and terrible when you're both hellbent, which should is usually around turn 4... I don't think pox needs more cards like this. 4 dark rituals, 10-12 discard spells and 4 waste not is a ton of dead draws.

[ween]

Great cast guys

[TopWizard]

Been listening to the cast for a while and I love it. One question, what's up with the new dude that has a vocabulary that makes himself sound like a drunk trucker with the IQ of 80? When "fucking" is your most used adjective, you don't really sound like you know what you're talking about.

[Misplayer]

Going deep on Magister of Worth: "If they choose 'Grace' maybe because they're a practicing Christian or something..."

Some quality laughs in this episode. Thanks.

[nevilshute]

Been listening to the cast for a while and I love it. One question, what's up with the new dude that has a vocabulary that makes himself sound like a drunk trucker with the IQ of 80? When "fucking" is your most used adjective, you don't really sound like you know what you're talking about.

If you've been listening for a while you'll know that the "new dude" is Julian Knab. If you haven't been able to deduce it from his accent I can reveal that he is German, meaning English is not his native tongue. I actually think his English is quite nuanced and he is easy to understand. And he quite obviously knows what he's talking about. I actually think his analyses are generally top shelf and among the best among the cast members.

[TopWizard]

If you've been listening for a while you'll know that the "new dude" is Julian Knab. If you haven't been able to deduce it from his accent I can reveal that he is German, meaning English is not his native tongue. I actually think his English is quite nuanced and he is easy to understand. And he quite obviously knows what he's talking about. I actually think his analyses are generally top shelf and among the best among the cast members.

I am not talking about Julian. Julian was a great addition to the show! I think the guy I'm referring to is Sean. Perhaps he was on in older casts, but this is the first I've heard of him.

[nevilshute]

I am not talking about Julian. Julian was a great addition to the show! I think the guy I'm referring to is Sean. Perhaps he was on in older casts, but this is the first I've heard of him.

Aha. In that case I apologize for misunderstanding you. Sean is one if the founders of the cast if I'm not mistaking.

[TopWizard]

Aha. In that case I apologize for misunderstanding you. Sean is one if the founders of the cast if I'm not mistaking.

I think you meant to say "he was one of the founders of the fucking cast."

[afb0032]

Going deep on Magister of Worth: "If they choose 'Grace' maybe because they're a practicing Christian or something..."

Some quality laughs in this episode. Thanks.

I'm almost finished listening to this episode, but this was one of the funniest moments of any of the casts so far.

[Barook]

I think you meant to say "he was one of the founders of the fucking cast."
Was Sean the one with the dick jokes? I nearly lost it at "Journey into Dicks".

Overall a very enjoyable episode. Great dynamics between the cast. Keep up the joking.

[twndomn]

Dack Fayden

It'll revive Vengevine! Calling it now.

[thecrav]

Great cast guys

:D


Been listening to the cast for a while and I love it. One question, what's up with the new dude that has a vocabulary that makes himself sound like a drunk trucker with the IQ of 80? When "fucking" is your most used adjective, you don't really sound like you know what you're talking about.

As pointed out later in this thread, that is indeed Sean O'Brien (nedleeds)


I think you meant to say "he was one of the founders of the fucking cast."

I lol'd


Was Sean the one with the dick jokes? I nearly lost it at "Journey into Dicks".

I think Sean said it this time. I've said it in a previous cast and I actually got it from my way-too-awesome fiance.

[mini1337s]

what's up with the new dude that has a vocabulary that makes himself sound like a drunk trucker with the IQ of 80?
Rofl, this sounds like something Nedleeds would say. I'm convinced that TopWizard is one of Nedleed's alt accounts.

[nedleeds]

Nope, I don't have an alternate account (with 4 posts). But I now have the 20 somethingth member of my ignore list. Glad most of you enjoy the (free) cast. For those that don't like my vernacular and want to call me a retarded trucker on a message board please send feedback to suckmyballs@idontcarewhatyouthinkbecauseitsfree.org.

[Megadeus]

Rofl, this sounds like something Nedleeds would say. I'm convinced that TopWizard is one of Nedleed's alt accounts.

If Sean made a fake account to call himself a retarded trucker I'd be worried about his health

[mini1337s]

please send feedback to suckmyballs@idontcarewhatyouthinkbecauseitsfree.org.
Huh... same email as the Canadian Health Care system. Pretty sure Pavlic can confirm

[KIP_NZ]

Been listening to the cast for a while and I love it. One question, what's up with the new dude that has a vocabulary that makes himself sound like a drunk trucker with the IQ of 80? When "fucking" is your most used adjective, you don't really sound like you know what you're talking about.

That trucker has been playing MTG for longer than you've been alive I'd guess. I'll just leave this for you to read.... http://web.archive.org/web/20010519231244/http://www.thedojo.com/school/SoM54.html

(Hint read down to the O'Brien school)

[thecrav]

That trucker has been playing MTG for longer than you've been alive I'd guess. I'll just leave this for you to read.... http://web.archive.org/web/20010519231244/http://www.thedojo.com/school/SoM54.html

(Hint read down to the O'Brien school)

Also, he can palm a basketball.

[nedleeds]

Huh... same email as the Canadian Health Care system. Pretty sure Pavlic can confirm

LOL. I haven't fallen down due to massive dehydration and alcohol abuse in Canada yet so I can't form an opinion. Random French hospital gets a 4 star on Yelp though.

[KIP_NZ]

Also, he can palm a basketball.

So I've heard, is there pictorial or video evidence?

[haganbmj]

Nice episode. I'm glad there are at least enough cards in Conspiracy to warrant interesting discussion, even if they might not be the most playable. Will of the Council presents some interesting gameplay decisions.

I think you've overvaluing Grenzo though in Goblins. Corner cases involving Jace and Terminus aside, you're likely paying closer to 4 mana per creature in your 30/32 or whatever creature Goblins list, assuming that you miss on nearly half of your activations.


I think we'll have to bring a basketball and a camera to the next legacy night so the drunken trucker can demonstrate.

[nedleeds]

It's hard to crack the goblins lineup when you've got

Goblinic Tutor
Gobcestral Recall
Show and Tell for you on a Stick

[haganbmj]

It's hard to crack the goblins lineup when you've got

Goblinic Tutor
Gobcestral Recall
Show and Tell for you on a Stick

That's fair, there's a pretty high density of powerful goblins to make up for missed activations and allow you to play a niche card like Grenzo for those few situations where he'll do the most work.
Honestly, now that I think about it, 4 mana might be good enough in Goblins just to "draw" a Goblin each turn once you've stalled out. Perhaps he is worth the slot somewhere in the 75.

[TopWizard]

Nope, I don't have an alternate account (with 4 posts). But I now have the 20 somethingth member of my ignore list. Glad most of you enjoy the (free) cast. For those that don't like my vernacular and want to call me a retarded trucker on a message board please send feedback to suckmyballs@idontcarewhatyouthinkbecauseitsfree.org.

Fair enough. I forwarded my feedback to the email you quoted. I'll fucking let you know what I fucking hear back.

[sdematt]

Settle down, everyone.

Also, Council's Judgment in Miracles has been VERY good for me. <3 murdering TNN.

-Matt

[Jon]

I think we'll have to bring a basketball and a camera to the next legacy night so the drunken trucker can demonstrate.

I can bring a trucker hat for him to wear....

[nedleeds]

I can bring a trucker hat for him to wear....

Despite my recent knee injury I always have sneakers and a basketball in my trunk. Are we looking at the same Grenzo? He's 2 to activate.

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/vma/254.jpg

or are you saying outside of Terminus / Jace / Grunt / Hinder / Condemn / Digger you'll need to see an average of ~2 cards before you hit a goblin? All the goblins in goblins save Battle Squadron should have power <= 2 ... Chieftain doesn't pump power in other zones.

[alphastryk]

Settle down, everyone.

Also, Council's Judgment in Miracles has been VERY good for me. <3 murdering TNN.

-Matt

Yeah, Council's Judgment has been much better than I'd expected.

[bakofried]

I think he just meant hitting a goblin, so you need to account for lands and vials.

[Megadeus]

Yeah on average you need about 2 activations to actually get a man. Idk. 4 mana to draw and cast a man for free is probably still good enough. I think the worst part really is that you have to play Badlands.

Also didnt realize he gets any dude and not just goblins. Seems reasonable enough. You still can play white and get Thalias off of the bottom.

[sdematt]

Yeah on average you need about 2 activations to actually get a man. Idk. 4 mana to draw and cast a man for free is probably still good enough. I think the worst part really is that you have to play Badlands.

Also didnt realize he gets any dude and not just goblins. Seems reasonable enough. You still can play white and get Thalias off of the bottom.

I still think if you're still a Goblins player, he's worth trying.

-Matt

[warfordium]

Settle down, everyone.

Also, Council's Judgment in Miracles has been VERY good for me. <3 murdering TNN.

-Matt

here I thought the kerfuffle was about the blood-running-between-legs bit. silly me.

[nedleeds]

Also, he can palm a basketball.

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