Would you support 'legalizing' CE and World Championships cards?

[Teluin]

I wonder if WotC would even consider it - they're not reprinting any new cards and technically they are 'real' MtG cards. I also doubt they'd affect the value of ABU staples, just increase the price of the gold bordered cards.

[Mr.C]

Yes, but not before I complete my CE/IE sets.

[Megadeus]

Yes. They already have cards that don't have magic backs legalized, and with opaque sleeves they are perfectly fine to be played in your deck. Don't see why legalizing GB cards would change anything other than increase the amount of legally playable cards without having to resort to a reprint.

[L0cke]

Anything which would allow more people to play is a good thing.

[iamajellydonut]

Yes. They already have cards that don't have magic backs legalized, and with opaque sleeves they are perfectly fine to be played in your deck.

Is this referring to the "transform" cards?

[Megadeus]

Is this referring to the "transform" cards?

Yes.

[iamajellydonut]

Yes.

Okay.

[Koby]

Seems fine by me*

* I have a CE set.

[btm10]

Yes. Now I wish someone who had voted 'No' would say why. I imagine it's just to protect their investment value, but as someone who owns partial power (two moxes, ancestral) and twenty-and-change duals, I respectfully disagree.

[Lord Seth]

Big problem is that it's just a stop-gap. The only real solution is to ditch the Reserved List entirely.

[mini1337s]

I voted no and I'll tell you why; legalizing this cards just band aids the problems while barely fixing the issue. What I do support, as someone heavily invested in reserved list cards (Power, duals, etc), is smart reprintings of staples, IE a dual in a commander set, etc. Sure, it lowers the value if many of those cards, but it fixes the problem in a sensible way.

[Megadeus]

I understand where you guys are coming from, but what is the issue with allowing CE cards? Sure it is a "stop gap" as you say, but it is better than nothing.

[thegrinningdemon]

I understand where you guys are coming from, but what is the issue with allowing CE cards? Sure it is a "stop gap" as you say, but it is better than nothing.

I was thinking the same thing. I have no problem with them legalizing cards that are already printed. The reserve list is not going away...we might as well deal with it.

[Lemnear]

Yes. Now I wish someone who had voted 'No' would say why. I imagine it's just to protect their investment value, but as someone who owns partial power (two moxes, ancestral) and twenty-and-change duals, I respectfully disagree.

The problem are the CE cards corners. You can tell Alphas apart from all other editions within their sleeves. The Problem with CE is even worse and any for of cuttin the edges yourself is marking the cards.

The CE issue therefore has absolutely nothing to do with protecting value but with tournament play

[thegrinningdemon]

The problem are the CE cards corners. You can tell Alphas apart from all other editions within their sleeves. The Problem with CE is even worse and any for of cuttin the edges yourself is marking the cards.

The CE issue therefore has absolutely nothing to do with protecting value but with tournament play

You can look at the back of an opaque sleeve and tell the card is Alpha? Is that what you are saying?

[mini1337s]

I understand where you guys are coming from, but what is the issue with allowing CE cards? Sure it is a "stop gap" as you say, but it is better than nothing.
As I see it, the issue is that legalizing CE/IE, atleast in the case of Duals, just causes the price of CE/IE to dramatically increase without reducing the price of the original printings. There were only 15,000 CE/IE sets printed, so you only inject 15,000 U-Seas, etc into the market. Compare that to the approximately 300,000 copies of Revised Underground Sea; it just doesn't make a tangible difference. I suppose it could make a difference in terms of the price of Power, but I'd be inclined to think that rather than allowing a bunch of new players to play Vintage that it would just bump CE Black Lotus from $300 to $1000, and people would just be priced out again.

[PirateKing]

I was thinking the same thing. I have no problem with them legalizing cards that are already printed. The reserve list is not going away...we might as well deal with it.

I was thinking the same thing. I have no problem with them abolishing the reserve list. The CE/IE cards are never getting legalized...we might as well deal with it.

[Dark Ritual]

The square corners ruin it. Oh and it wouldn't help much at all; they announce this and EVERY CE/IE dual land would disappear overnight, that I can promise you. The fronts of IE/CE look just like alpha/beta/cards that cost an arm and a leg to obtain and had similar print runs to alpha and beta/quite limited/people would shell out quite a bit for CE/IE dual lands as well as power 9 and other staples from beta like d. tutor, fastbond, etc. etc.

[Dice_Box]

I do not honestly feel like this would make any tangible benefit to overall cost. All it would do is shoot up the price of the cards that the EDH crew can afford. For this reason, I would rather things stay as they are. That or just remove that blasted list.

[Lemnear]

You can look at the back of an opaque sleeve and tell the card is Alpha? Is that what you are saying?

I can tell while shuffling. CE corners are even easier to tell as you might imagine.

[KindGrind]

I wouldn't really care: if it gets more people to play, that would be great. It would probably not be the case though.

If CE/IE is legalized for sanctioned play, the prices on these would undoubtedly explode. Look at what happened to P3K... and most of these were crappy cards. Chances are, the cards would be more "valuable" than Revised, them being BB and all.

"Problem" remains... Even though I own sets of reserve-list staples and power, I find the prices on the cards these days to be quite obscene. I pity the people who want to get into it now.

[Grillo]

I totally support this.

I'm sure many ppl already own CE/IE cards because they are actually quite awesome. That will automatically put them in a very advantageous position to enter eternal formats.

I'm really very bad at anticipating price changes but I don't see CE cards prices going over ABU/revised cards. I own CE and revised duals and even if the CE cards are NM and beautiful, the square corners put me off. If I had the chance to choose I'd go with revised.

I also agree with the general feeling that even if this isn't really a solution but an aspirin, it's better than nothing.

In any case I think making CE cards legal in at least Vintage and Commander is a no brainer. Vintage because of the absurd price of power and Commander because, well, it's Commander (which I love, but it's also way too expensive for a non sanctioned format).

[thecrav]

You can look at the back of an opaque sleeve and tell the card is Alpha? Is that what you are saying?

After it's been shuffled a handful of times, definitely. A friend recently downgraded(?) his one alpha card to beta because he noticed that by ~round 5 of tournaments, the one alpha card was pretty noticeable.

[thegrinningdemon]

I was thinking the same thing. I have no problem with them abolishing the reserve list. The CE/IE cards are never getting legalized...we might as well deal with it.

LOL...Cute. I see what you did there. I don't think that Wizards has even come out and said they never would legalize CE/IE cards for tournament play. Wizards has clearly stated their intentions regarding the reserve list and it's not going away and the loophole is closed. Like it or not.


After it's been shuffled a handful of times, definitely. A friend recently downgraded(?) his one alpha card to beta because he noticed that by ~round 5 of tournaments, the one alpha card was pretty noticeable.

I wonder if any judges have been alerted to this issue regarding Alpha cards. I am curious to know a judge's thoughts.

[ESG]

I voted no due to the square corners. I would support amending the Reserved List if that ever became possible.

[Grillo]

Mini-necro...

What about legal cards with square corners? (example (http://sales.starcitygames.com/carddisplay.php?product=446043))

Should they become illegal? or are they an incentive to legalize CE cards?

What I really mean to ask is... because there are so many "odd" cards that are legal (square corners, double face, alpha, foils), are CE cards really going to make cheating an issue in tournament play?

I think not...

[apple713]

Someone correct me bit im pretty sire that ie and ce cards are more flimsy and different thickness than regular cards.

[Nuke is Good]

Forgive me for asking, but are the CE and WC cards much different in shape vs Alpha cut cards?

I'd really have no problem with allowing them for tournament play myself it would allow more R.L. cards to enter tournament play.

[Grillo]

Someone correct me bit im pretty sire that ie and ce cards are more flimsy and different thickness than regular cards.

As far as I know CE/IE cards are the same as beta cards except for different back printing and square corners.

I own IE cards and I can't tell the difference between regular and IE cards except for the borders.

Might be that I'm not skilled enough...