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Mackan
09-28-2014, 05:53 PM
This is based on the old combo of Helm of awakening + 2 Sensei's Divining Top generating infinite storm for a lethal Grapeshot. Instead of grapeshot we now have Altar of the brood which is also fetchable with Trinket mage.
Put all of this in the miracles shell and cut the miracles. Voila, something fun and terrible with some brewing potential!
CREATURES (4)
4 Trinket Mage
ENCHANTMENTS (4)
4 Counterbalance
SORCERIES (2)
2 Ponder
INSTANTS (14)
4 Brainstorm
2 Enlightened Tutor
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Force of Will
PLANESWALKERS (2)
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
ARTIFACTS (12)
2 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Sensei’s Divining Top
4 Helm of Awakening
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Relic of Progenitus
LANDS (22)
1 Seat of the Synod
5 Island
4 Flooded Strand
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Tundra
2 Arid Mesa
2 Plains
1 Volcanic Island
1 Karakas
1 Cavern of Souls
SIDEBOARD (15)
4 Terminus
1 Mountain
1 Blood Moon
1 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Rest in Peace
1 Grafdigger’s Cage
1 Pithing Needle
:-)
Kaslan
09-28-2014, 06:56 PM
This is based on the old combo of Helm of awakening + 2 Sensei's Divining Top generating infinite storm for a lethal Grapeshot. Instead of grapeshot we now have Altar of the brood which is also fetchable with Trinket mage.
Put all of this in the miracles shell and cut the miracles. Voila, something fun and terrible with some brewing potential!
CREATURES (4)
4 Trinket Mage
ENCHANTMENTS (4)
4 Counterbalance
SORCERIES (2)
2 Ponder
INSTANTS (14)
4 Brainstorm
2 Enlightened Tutor
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Force of Will
PLANESWALKERS (2)
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
ARTIFACTS (12)
2 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Sensei’s Divining Top
4 Helm of Awakening
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Relic of Progenitus
LANDS (22)
1 Seat of the Synod
5 Island
4 Flooded Strand
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Tundra
2 Arid Mesa
2 Plains
1 Volcanic Island
1 Karakas
1 Cavern of Souls
SIDEBOARD (15)
4 Terminus
1 Mountain
1 Blood Moon
1 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Rest in Peace
1 Grafdigger’s Cage
1 Pithing Needle
:-)
I'm working on a similar combo finish but using doomsday
Darkenslight
09-29-2014, 03:17 AM
I'm working on a similar combo finish but using doomsday
Nah, you should totally play 8 MD graveyard hate just because. Also, that means that Emrakul isn't a problem.
kusumoto
09-30-2014, 01:43 PM
This is a four card combo?
Maybe it needs more tutors or another Jace because I would think that it will be how you win a lot of times.
edit:
You could try something with Artificer's Intuition.
Infinitium
09-30-2014, 04:11 PM
You should try something with Artificer's Intuition and Locket of Yesterdays
Yup.
dog_koko
10-01-2014, 05:48 AM
Food Chain + Misthollow Griffin
ReAnimator
10-01-2014, 10:06 AM
I've been brainstorming a similar list.
In your build don't you want at least one additional Altar of the Brood? if your Altar gets countered or blown up, your only win con is Jace, and i don't think you are set up to protect him long enough.
I think terminus main over STP might be the right call.
A few things that i've thought of as well, you need RIP main deck otherwise you can just never beat an S&T deck game one which is irritating. Also RIP's being main helps against treasure cruise and a bunch of other things like dredge and reanimator, and since we aren't using cruise ourselves there is very reason not to have some hate like that.
If we are running RIP's main, why not run a Helm of Obedience main to tutor for, as an alternate win con. Energy field also can become a nice tutor target if we are on RIP's.
Transmute artifact also seems like a totally reasonable card to put in a deck like this as well, probably one or two.
rufus
10-01-2014, 12:58 PM
An alternative route might be to play durdling `Riddlesmith` combo with
Etherium Sculptor/Helm of awakening/Semblance Anvil,
Elswhere Flask/Ichor Wellspring/Kalidostone/Prophetic Prism/Tsabo's Web/(Sensei's Divining Top),
Mox Opal, Everflowing Chalice, and Astral Cornucopia, and
Retract/Hurkyl's Recall to seal the deal.
Of course Laboratory Maniac would be a better win con.
Darkenslight
10-01-2014, 04:04 PM
An alternative route might be to play durdling `Riddlesmith` combo with
Etherium Sculptor/Helm of awakening/Semblance Anvil,
Elswhere Flask/Ichor Wellspring/Kalidostone/Prophetic Prism/Tsabo's Web/(Sensei's Divining Top),
Mox Opal, Everflowing Chalice, and Astral Cornucopia, and
Retract/Hurkyl's Recall to seal the deal.
Of course Laboratory Maniac would be a better win con.
I think that this is one of the very few places that Jeskai Ascendancy could legitimately fit in. More intensive cost than Riddlesmith, but also no trigger cost. If you're already playing Terminus and Altar, you can go for a Cloudstone combo, too.
EDIT: scratch that, just play both in a Metalcraft/Trinket shell.
Memories of the Time
10-02-2014, 03:45 AM
I think that to have a Good reason to play this combo you need the possibility of playing like control combo. I think a stuff like
4x of: trinket, top, terminus, Force, brainstorm.
3x of: artificier intuition,cb
2x of: helm, e.tutor, altra,e.e, ponder, jace(?)
1x of:ensnaring bridge, humility, u spellbomb, locket
22 lands with 4x Seat and 3x between ruins and buried ruin
But this deck needs accelerations:dunno if mox Diamond+Loam+artificier could be an engine, for sure seems nice
Darkenslight
10-03-2014, 07:33 AM
I think that to have a Good reason to play this combo you need the possibility of playing like control combo. I think a stuff like
4x of: trinket, top, terminus, Force, brainstorm.
3x of: artificier intuition,cb
2x of: helm, e.tutor, altra,e.e, ponder, jace(?)
1x of:ensnaring bridge, humility, u spellbomb, locket
22 lands with 4x Seat and 3x between ruins and buried ruin
But this deck needs accelerations:dunno if mox Diamond+Loam+artificier could be an engine, for sure seems nice
I'd consider Opal before Diamond in such a list. And I'd play a much more aggressive combo lineup:
Lands(22):
7 Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Tundra
1 Tropical Island
4 Polluted Delta
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Academy Ruins
2 Buried Ruin
Combo(27)
4 Artificer's Intuition
4 Altar of the Brood
4 Tormod's Crypt
4 Helm of Awakening
3 Mox Opal
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Laboratory Maniac
Stuff(11)
4 Force of Will
4 Gitaxian Probe
3 Brainstorm
SB
4 Engineered Explosives
4 Rebuild
4 Hydroblast
3 Flusterstorm
For a mono-U list, for example. Note the dual lands - they're there for EE.
Infinitium
10-03-2014, 09:07 AM
Again, if you're going for Sensei Sensei and Artificer's Intuition there's no reason not to use Helm of Awakening over Locket of Yesterdays as a 1-of (to be tutored by AI). Bothersome anti-GY permanents can be dealt with by Pithing Needle or EE, and for most everything else there's counterspells.
Darkenslight
10-03-2014, 11:18 AM
Again, if you're going for Sensei Sensei and Artificer's Intuition there's no reason not to use Helm of Awakening over Locket of Yesterdays as a 1-of (to be tutored by AI). Bothersome anti-GY permanents can be dealt with by Pithing Needle or EE, and for most everything else there's counterspells.
Hmm. That's a good backup plan, but it risks exposure to GY removal yourself. It's worth thinking about, at least. Would it be worth moving the Rebuilds into the maindeck, to chain further?
ReAnimator
10-03-2014, 11:55 AM
4 Altar of the Brood
4 Laboratory Maniac
You really need to read these cards again. If you want to self mill with artifacts you need Mesmiric Orb and Basalt Monolith.
Also Tormod's Crypt doesn't help you that much vs multiple emerakuls, as each mill is a separate action, so you need a T Crypt in play for every Emerakul they have in their deck.
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