[Article] Delving into Legacy

[Einherjer]

Patrick Dickmann looks at (http://blog.mtgmadness.com/index.php/delving-into-legacy/patrick-dickmann) what impact the new Delve cards will have on the Legacy format.

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[Phelix]

The article is too late. I think its the 7th or 8th on that exact topic.

[Einherjer]

It was written and handed in weeks ago.

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[Lemnear]

Delve is a mechanic that is covered within the Legacy pool of cards but hasn’t really seen play with the exception of Tombstalker which has been a 1-2 of in Team America, Legacy’s black-blue-green colored Delver variant. Is this due to a lack of options regarding cards that abuse Delve or does this lack of Delve cards stem from the Delve mechanic itself?

he is aware that before Khans was legal, Tombstalker, Death Rattle and Logic Knot were the ONLY Delve cards printed? In form of Tombstalker, the mechanic already proved that it is an easy to abuse mechanic over the timespan of 7(!) years of being legal and the question is still why WotC thought Delve is a fine mechanic to balance Ancestral Recall


Storm on the other hand cannot play these cards in the mainboard but could very easily slam a copy of them into their sideboard, as long as they are playing Burning Wish. Being able to wish for a very potent cantrip that also creates card advantage is huge.

Either Patrick read about this in the spoiler/storm threads or Phillip hinted him on that idea of mine ;P

The only point I have to question is his verdict in regards to decks profiting from TC. The suggested decks are simply too permanent-heavy to really scratch the potential of TC. Pairing SCM and Lingering Souls with Treasure Cruise isn't clear design. DRS + TC + Delver + TNN is the best shell. Period

[Julian23]

It hurts my eyes to also see Patrick fall victim to the "mainboard" fallacy :cry:

[Bertrand Hustle]

It hurts my eyes to also see Patrick fall victim to the "mainboard" fallacy :cry:

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[Lemnear]

It hurts my eyes to also see Patrick fall victim to the "mainboard" fallacy :cry:

I fear, I don't get it atm :(

[DarkJester]

I fear, I don't get it atm :(
Superficial (dunno if it's the right word) people tend to overreact if someone uses the term "mainboard" instead of "maindeck"! :tongue:

[Julian23]

Superficial people think people who dislike the use of the word "mainboard" are superficial. :tongue:

To me it's just the same feeling as when people use phrases like "I could care less", "alot (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TRIo4br3I/AAAAAAAACv4/Zh7_GcMlRKo/s400/ALOT.png)" or wrong uses of they/their/they're.

[DarkJester]

Superficial people think people who dislike the use of the word "mainboard" are superficial. :tongue:

To me it's just the same feeling as when people use phrases like "I could care less", "alot (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TRIo4br3I/AAAAAAAACv4/Zh7_GcMlRKo/s400/ALOT.png)" or wrong uses of they/their/they're.

Maybe we're both superficial. But let's point out that everybody knows that "Main....(.)" means the first 60/61 in first case and "Side....(.)" ,means the last 0 or 15. The sense should be clear.

Back to topic: Yeah, maybe the article is a little too late and it seems to just summarize all other articles in relation to that topic (like Carsten's), but it provides a futuresight of what will be going on. If it's right or wrong, time will tell. At least, it's funny to read.

[Dragonslayer_90]

It was written and handed in weeks ago.

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This. Article seems like it would have been much more timely about a month ago now. I'm sure there's a few people a bit pissed this article only got posted recently :wink: Still I think the article is great even if a bit outdated as the analysis seemed mostly solid.

[TsumiBand]

Maybe we're both superficial. But let's point out that everybody knows that "Main....(.)" means the first 60/61 in first case and "Side....(.)" ,means the last 0 or 15. The sense should be clear.

Is it awful that I read that as "main boob" and "side boob" though?

[javiermelero]

Last SCGO seems to negate dickmann theory that blade was hurt by cruise. In fact, the cards is so awesome that blade can abuse it too. And they draw better cards with it.

Two weeks ago I played with patriot against a cruiseless blade and it was stupid. I dominated every stage of the game. I was the tempo and the control deck at the same time.

Last SCGO top 16:
1.- deathblade: 3 TC
2.-elves 0 TC
3.- UR delver 4 TC
4.- canadian 3 TC
5.- grixis delver 0 TC
6.- elves 0 TC
7.- UR delver 4 TC
8.- miracles 0 TC
9.- burn 0 TC
10.- reanimator 0 TC
11.- team america 4 TC
12.- reanimator 0 TC (2 DTT)
13.- UR Delver 4 TC
14.- elves 0 TC
15.- renimator 0 TC
16.- elves 0 TC

[Quizzlemanizzle]

Patrick Dickmann looks at (http://blog.mtgmadness.com/index.php/delving-into-legacy/patrick-dickmann) what impact the new Delve cards will have on the Legacy format.

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I thought Patrick has almost not legacy experience at all, at least he said so himself on his stream, when he was piling up losses with Shardless BUG on MTGO.

So I am not sure how he can really assess the Delve cards and what it means to a format he has not really played. :confused:

His blog though is a month late considering it is just a rehash of what Carsten wrote before KTK release. Now it is revisionist history since TC is far from a hidden card and already a format staple.

And yeah I don't get how he figures that Deathblade would be hurt by this. Deathblade is a perfect home to
a) take advantage of treasure cruise also
b) combat treasure cruise (Notion Thief, SotL, Rest in Peace, Leyline of the Void)

He seems to mix up what he calls Deathblade, Esperblade, Esper Control also? It seems to me that by his terminology Esperblade=Esper Control? and that he thinks Deathblade is not Esper which is news to me since Deathblade always was Stoneblade+Black and that does not change with DRS.
So his summary that Deathblade was hurt by Treasure Cruise but in the same breath saying that Esper Control = Esper Blade would be the new deck to beat with the only difference being that his Esper Blade draft plays Snapcaster Mage instead of Deathrite Shaman seems rather stupid to me.

Shardless Bug is only hurt by the fact that Treasure Cruise does not add anything new to their deck and does not really replace Ancestral Visions very well unless you move to a regular Bug build. So yeah Shardless BUG might be hurt, but they can sideboard against the new meta pretty well I think.