magiccardmarket.com

[MirrorMask]

I was wondering about the price levels of this website. In my area everybody has been going crazy over the low prices and keep forgetting that the global prices are not affected so much by a bunch of guys selling cards cheaper. I have been trying to sell some really good cards at 70-75% of the selling price of CardKingdom, which is reasonable enough as it is 25-30% lower than catalog price (and it also in accordance to the ebay prices). The situation I am dealing with is that I am being forced to sell online in order to sell above the BUYING price of cardkingdom (50% of selling price). Is magiccardmarket the real deal or is it something like e-bay that just specializes in CCG and happens to, sometimes, have lower prices that are NOT average market prices?

[philo4079]

From my experience of french legacy player, Magiccardmarket is THE reference in term of card pricing in France and Europe.. I'm talking about personal trading price, and not store pricing which will always be higher..
Maybe some other players will confirm .

[Julian23]

Magiccardmarket is THE price a card has. That's of course a European point of view. But if you want to price/sell/buy/trade cards anywhere here, Magiccardmarket is the be-all-end-all.

[MirrorMask]

I was afraid as much. And they get pretty aggresive if you go by e-bay pricing which is closer to the catalog price (but still far cheaper). It doesn't make any fucking sense to sell a NM gaea's cradle for the buy price of kingdom. The big vendors just take advantage of you and those guys at my area want even cheaper prices than market has.


EDIT: Also WHICH is the price that you use? The cheapest, the month's average or the current average of all sellers (quiality of seller counts? e.g outstanding selles)?

[guillemnicolau]

I was afraid as much. And they get pretty aggresive if you go by e-bay pricing which is closer to the catalog price (but still far cheaper). It doesn't make any fucking sense to sell a NM gaea's cradle for the buy price of kingdom. The big vendors just take advantage of you and those guys at my area want even cheaper prices than market has.


EDIT: Also WHICH is the price that you use? The cheapest, the month's average or the current average of all sellers (quiality of seller counts? e.g outstanding selles)?

In Barcelona, we check which is the value of the first cards sold by good sellers (every seller has an evaluation based on his previous selling experience) and make an average. The average of all sellers is not a good way to value a card, as it includes signed/altered/asian cards, which usually have a higher value.
Everyone is usually ok with this.

[MirrorMask]

In Barcelona, we check which is the value of the first cards sold by good sellers (every seller has an evaluation based on his previous selling experience) and make an average. The average of all sellers is not a good way to value a card, as it includes signed/altered/asian cards, which usually have a higher value.
Everyone is usually ok with this.

Hmm . It makes some sense but oftentimes the first seller offers a rediculusly low price.

[Julian23]

Hmm . It makes some sense but oftentimes the first seller offers a rediculusly low price.

So what though? The first seller's card is usually in super bad condition, has a bad rating AND will make you pay more shipping fees because he's from a foreign country. We just use the cheapest guy from our country that sells at about the same condition. It's pretty easy and fast.

Ebay for Magic cards might still exist, but to 99,9% of people here, it is in no way possible viewed as an actual way of buying cards because it's always more expensive. And directly ordering from retailers? Really? I mean they exist and they have their ridiciously high prices; but that doesn't mean that people will go by them.

I can see that someone selling has an interest in using retailers' card prices, but why would someone else pay that price when he can get it cheaper on MCM.

[MirrorMask]

Yes, that's why I am asking you who, hopefully, have more experience with this website and the European market. I am a European myself but I was in the US for the past 3 years when market.com wasn't in use that much. At least in my country.

[Sloshthedark]

My country might be very different

1, we do not have Euro (conversion rate is an issue)
2, we have decent "local" shop which sometimes has very different prices - and the difference when rounding to Euro/0,5 euro can be ridiculous both ways
=> Mkm is reference for foils and foreign stuff in my country

but:

never ebay price, in my experience when you have enough time you get everything much cheaper on ebay (usualy it means paying nominal in Dollars instead of Euro at least for stuff I'm interested in, and I have 100 positive experience out of 100 transactions, I can't say that about MKM)

when I'm abroad I price according to local - MKM whatever is higher, by MKM - browsing the prices you easily get at which price levels the card is in most depending on sellers need to sell and price your portfolio accordingly to your goals - how much do you really want to sell? at larger event you get all kind of bargains

the MKM lowest is no argument - your offer is now and cash their alternative is online payment, time spent, S+H (maybe multiple sellers), dealing with post and all the risks involved

[Quasim0ff]

EDIT: Also WHICH is the price that you use? The cheapest, the month's average or the current average of all sellers (quiality of seller counts? e.g outstanding selles)?

I use the lowest NM price from a seller with +75 refs, in same language.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

the MKM lowest is no argument - your offer is now and cash their alternative is online payment, time spent, S+H (maybe multiple sellers), dealing with post and all the risks involved

Exactly that. Every time anybody brings the "but I may buy it on MKM for blah blah blah cheaper" I simply hide my binder and tell the dude to buy from MKM then. Really, both MKM and h2h Magic trades are generally not worthy yourtime unless you're doing some obscure things like selling the whole collection, looking for some rare items, etc.

I mostly purchased from our lgs instead of wasting time with kids and wanna-be sharks, but as the cards' quality of our shop went pretty south in the last two year, I sometimes rather order from MKM as I know that a Brilliant Seller (or w/e the correct term is) won't send me some dog-bitten crap. Moreover, I'll find it in my postbox rather than driving into the city.
I got some one hundred sells and similar number of purchases and after the initial troubles (which might be due to post service, but IDK for sure), nothing really ugly happened, including some middle-high-end trades like a set of blue duals or asian fetches.

Frankly, my MKM routine turned into an ocd-like affair, as there's hardly anything I want and even if I purchase something, I pity it the exact moment I confirm the deal. So it goes like purchase UNL Volcanic, sell Rev Volcanic, credit the account, purchase another Volcanic, buy speculation stuff, sell some stuff, buy cards for EDH, sell Volcanic, sell speculative stuff with a loss, purchase chinese RUG cards, buy more EDH stuff, sell speculative cards to our lgs to pay for benzin, switch chinese RUG into english RUG via MKM, purchase cheap stuff from MKM, sell it to lgs for credit, buy remaining english RUG stuff from lgs, sell EDH stuff that went high to pay for a flat and diapers, sell some more EDH stuff because "I quit Magic!", purchase japanese cards for casual, purchase cheap stuff for All Common, sell all EDH stuff, sell remaining non-jap stuff, sell jap stuff and switch casual into english and then finally purchase the last UNL duals to have them altered to bb.

But in fact it's not that painful, basically you'll throw some 100-200 € into your account and then spin it all around again and again without much money lost and anything reasonable gained.

[MirrorMask]

Exactly that. Every time anybody brings the "but I may buy it on MKM for blah blah blah cheaper" I simply hide my binder and tell the dude to buy from MKM then. Really, both MKM and h2h Magic trades are generally not worthy yourtime unless you're doing some obscure things like selling the whole collection, looking for some rare items, etc.

At least there are still guys with some sense in them. It so freaking annoying when you sell 2-4 euros higher(depending on the card of course) than the lowest price of of MCM and you have some morons say that "Hey,I can buy that for a lower price on MCM" without even calculating the shipping cost plus fees and demanding that you give the card at that price like they have any authority to manage your stuff however they want. I don't even dare to think about selling my gaea's cradle. "Hey duuuuuude I can buy that for 70E". What a pile of crap...I could sell that for more even to cardkingdom.

EDIT: I checked the shipping + paypal fees and it is insanely more expensive that you expect. 1,8 euros for untracked mails (6 for tracked) and 15+ for insurance for the expesive purchases.To this you add the paypal fees and It ends up being similar to e-bay but on e-bay it is more likely to order multiple cards from one seller and reduce, considerably, the shipping cost. So, i guess, charging at least 2 more euros per card is resonable. Don't you think?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

At least there are still guys with some sense in them. It so freaking annoying when you sell 2-4 euros higher(depending on the card of course) than the lowest price of of MCM and you have some morons say that "Hey,I can buy that for a lower price on MCM" without even calculating the shipping cost plus fees and demanding that you give the card at that price like they have any authority to manage your stuff however they want. I don't even dare to think about selling my gaea's cradle. "Hey duuuuuude I can buy that for 70E". What a pile of crap...I could sell that for more even to cardkingdom.

EDIT: I checked the shipping + paypal fees and it is insanely more expensive that you expect. 1,8 euros for untracked mails (6 for tracked) and 15+ for insurance for the expesive purchases.To this you add the paypal fees and It ends up being similar to e-bay but on e-bay it is more likely to order multiple cards from one seller and reduce, considerably, the shipping cost. So, i guess, charging at least 2 more euros per card is resonable. Don't you think?

Well, the beauty of MKM lies in fact that you can sell anything withut much trouble and you don't need to fear the usual ebay rip off by the dishonest buyers.
contrary to ebay, there' no need to make actual auction, you simply put your stuff on sale and wait for it to sell. Also, once someone becomes interested in your cards,it's not unusual to tak many more cheap cards just because; every time I bought dual or w/e, i always checked the list to see if there's anything else I want.
The most annoying fact is that it's pretty hard to move anywhere further, especially when you need an extensive list of cards. Looking for them manually is time-consuming, and the Wizard is not really helpful, as the algorithm is far from flawless. Surprisingly, it cannot "think", so it gives you the cheapest prices/postages but it cannot combine the two while doing the math, so you're always stuck with either one choice without the most logic thing to do: to check both and combine them into the very best result. (Unless I'm missing some trick.) So this leaves you always with a bit worse price that the one you'd get by manual search, otoh, tis is tedious and I remeber the nights when after several hours of hard MKM work I simply finished with nothing purchased at all, becasue nay possible combination of cards/sellers left me with a loss. But then again sometimes it makes wonders and you'll finish whole 60/75 in three clicks.
So unless you got a time and will to make the searches (sometimes this pays off), you take the Wizard's result. But this isn't always the best.

Another thing is that it's pretty reasonable to stay away from any sellers othe than the best ones. It' snot only about fees - it gets really expensive if you buy from more sources -, because the big names have long lists, but it's mostly about quality. Ok, even the best sellers might have a bad day, and anything may get lost while it flies over Europe, but while the Good Seller might send you a crap, the average or worse will send it. They grade awfully, their envelops tend to come in weeks if they don't get lost at all, etc.Not worthy your time and money. Lets someone else do this charity for the bad traders...

I think that MKM is really good service, even considering all of it's flaws and risks. I sold lots of stuff there and purchased some other and instead of spending my time and money via h2h trades or losing gold to lgs, I simply traded it via wwwand found the stuff in my post box. The main trouble is that you cannot realistically ge the money out of MKM, as the bank fees, currency changes and such stuff are really expensive hobby. But if you have a chance to e.g. make sniper's work for your friends, or if you have a soild bank, it's not that painful and you won't lose that many money.

In short, MKM is still better than being stuck with useless cards and it allows you to trade quite easily and without too many troubles. Just be reasonable.

[decan]

Hello guys,
I have a question:
Im about to make my first big purchase on MKM it is in the 250 Euro (a Playset) range and they were like 3-5 dollars cheaper a card than the next cheapest seller on MKM. I reserved them immediately.
However im a little worried that I could get scammed. The guy has 400+ sales and 98% over all rating. I've also received blured cell phone pictures of the cards after asking because he doesnt have a scanner. The copyright line with the pencil looks kind of weird (will send PM's with the pic if anybody would be interested in helping) which could be because of the low quality pictures. The seller is from a different country also.
So the thing im worried about is:
can i get my money back if the cards are fake or if he sends me an empty letter? I doubt it, but there is some insurance policy on MKM right? What happens if the letter is lost by the postal service?
Help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks

[Julian23]

Both buyer and seller are really well covered in case of a lost letter.

Seller: In case of a lost letter, you contact your post office and they will investigate it. It usually comes back without results after 2 weeks. At that point, they will refund the insured amount, usually 25€ or 50€. Everything that goes beyond that will be refunded by MKM. I recently had a shipment of 2 USeas and 1 Taiga lost. I received 25€ from my post office and MKM covered everything else.

Seller: MKM will credit your account with the amount you paid. All you need is the tracking number showing that the letter wasn't delivered + a copy of the confirmation letter the seller received by his post office that the shipment was officially lost. I've had that happen to me with a Foil MM Brainstorm. Got my money back. Several weeks later the Brainstorm still arrived. Yeaaai, free Foil Brainstorm.

[Quizzlemanizzle]

Both buyer and seller are really well covered in case of a lost letter.

Seller: In case of a lost letter, you contact your post office and they will investigate it. It usually comes back without results after 2 weeks. At that point, they will refund the insured amount, usually 25€ or 50€. Everything that goes beyond that will be refunded by MKM. I recently had a shipment of 2 USeas and 1 Taiga lost. I received 25€ from my post office and MKM covered everything else.

Seller: MKM will credit your account with the amount you paid. All you need is the tracking number showing that the letter wasn't delivered + a copy of the confirmation letter the seller received by his post office that the shipment was officially lost. I've had that happen to me with a Foil MM Brainstorm. Got my money back. Several weeks later the Brainstorm still arrived. Yeaaai, free Foil Brainstorm.

Of course this is only true with tracked letters.

Normal letters - no luck at all.

I recently bought a Flusterstorm for 22,- from a high rated German seller ( I am German too) , after 10 days it has not arrived and I contacted the seller. He then claimed that his girlfriend was supposed to drop the letter in the mail and forgot it at work. 3 days later it was still not there, contacted him again and he said it was sent the day before. By now it is 21 days and I have not received the letter, I marked the transaction as not received and the seller now has a warning to his name, he did not refund me anything nor replied to my last message..

Great..

[iamajellydonut]

Moral of the story:
The $0.50 it takes to track a letter is always worth it.


Edit: I don't mean that disparagingly, Quizz. Just sayin' that it's the truth.

[Quizzlemanizzle]

Moral of the story:
The $0.50 it takes to track a letter is always worth it.


Edit: I don't mean that disparagingly, Quizz. Just sayin' that it's the truth.

The difference of tracking a letter is more than 2 Euros actually in Germany.

A tracked letter from other countries, for example Austria or Denmark maybe, not sure can easily be a difference of 10 Euros.

Overall when you make 400 purchases, paying 2 Euros more everytime is a lot more costly than not receiving 2% of your purchases unless you buy extemely expensive cards in which case you are forced to use tracked letters.

This is the 2nd time this has happened to me in 434 transactions. The other was a playset of Engineered Plagues which by itself is not worth the difference in shipping and also was reimbursed completely by the seller.

This particular seller from Berlin, obviously scammed me and never sent that letter. First excuses, than ignoring inquiries it obviously a damning truth.

I have tried two times to convince magiccardmarket to display exactly how many shipments a seller lost instead of their vague 0-2% figure so that buyers can clearly see if a seller is reliable. Because personally I have near 400 sales now and lost no shipments. In theory I could scam my next 4 buyers and still be in the 0-2% range and a recommended seller.

[decan]

I have tried two times to convince magiccardmarket to display exactly how many shipments a seller lost instead of their vague 0-2% figure so that buyers can clearly see if a seller is reliable. Because personally I have near 400 sales now and lost no shipments. In theory I could scam my next 4 buyers and still be in the 0-2% range and a recommended seller.

I totally agree with you Quizzlemanizzle. Thats why I am so worried about this. Also you are fucked if its the wrong language or no cards inside the letter, as far as i know. But I guess all i can do is just pray that the cards arrive.

[Quizzlemanizzle]

I totally agree with you Quizzlemanizzle. Thats why I am so worried about this. Also you are fucked if its the wrong language or no cards inside the letter, as far as i know. But I guess all i can do is just pray that the cards arrive.

You can mark that they were in the wrong language. That happens sometimes when buying English cards that people were careless when submitting the cards.

Generally there is little to worry about getting the cards at least in Germany mail very rarely gets lost and as long as you purchase from top rated sellers you are safe.

[SirTylerGalt]

I totally agree with you Quizzlemanizzle. Thats why I am so worried about this. Also you are fucked if its the wrong language or no cards inside the letter, as far as i know. But I guess all i can do is just pray that the cards arrive.

I was afraid of that too. So I started filming myself opening packages with my webcam. Pretty funny vids too, some shirtless guy opening multiple magic card packages in a row while bobbing his head to music, often fighting against adhesive, and saying "Good packaging. Oh great, everything is there. Greatttttt job. Awesome.", then giving rave reviews on MKM.

Not sure if that would be useful in case a seller ships the wrong cards, never had any problem in 50+ transactions..

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I was afraid of that too. So I started filming myself opening packages with my webcam. Pretty funny vids too, some shirtless guy opening multiple magic card packages in a row while bobbing his head to music, often fighting against adhesive, and saying "Good packaging. Oh great, everything is there. Greatttttt job. Awesome.", then giving rave reviews on MKM.

Not sure if that would be useful in case a seller ships the wrong cards, never had any problem in 50+ transactions..

Do you have a youtube account?

[SirTylerGalt]

Do you have a youtube account?

Lol no. I deleted them a few weeks ago to make some space on my hard drive. They were very embarrassing anyway. If I ever had a dispute with a seller, I would have needed to crop the video to hide my pyjama, and mute the sound. I don't even bother doing it nowadays for small packages, it's just too annoying to setup the webcam.

[decan]

So guys, I received my cards today. And at least one of the 4 is a (pretty good) FAKE. Does anybody have any suggestions on what i can do? Should i contact MKM?

[Lemnear]

So guys, I received my cards today. And at least one of the 4 is a (pretty good) FAKE. Does anybody have any suggestions on what i can do? Should i contact MKM?

Contact mkm. Usually you will send the complete package to them and they handle the issue with the seller after confirming that it is indeed a fake and you get your money back ... at least until people start to reverse-scam with this method :(

[decan]

Thanks for the quick answer. I have contacted MKM and i hope theyll come up with a solution. I dont think I should contact the seller and ask for a reimbursement, though. I'm satisfied with the other cards. However he shouldnt be allowed to get away with this.

[Lemnear]

Thanks for the quick answer. I have contacted MKM and i hope theyll come up with a solution. I dont think I should contact the seller and ask for a reimbursement, though. I'm satisfied with the other cards. However he shouldnt be allowed to get away with this.

I doubt you can keep all but 1 card here. They usually handle shipments as a whole in terms of refunds & Co.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

at least until people start to reverse-scam with this method :(
Interesting idea. I never thought about this, and I'm quite afraid someone may start doing this. I'd love if some less reasonable users from the "Chinese fakes!" thread would read this.
any idea how to defend against this kind of scam? Would you send the cards with notarization?
Not that I plan to sell my Volcanics anytime soon, and not that I know about any way how to prevent low-mid level scam with cards in say 20-50€ threshold.
Crap, this never happened to me, but I guess it's just a matter of time before this becomesa real thing. Maybe one should sell only to the Very Good+ users?

[Lemnear]

Interesting idea. I never thought about this, and I'm quite afraid someone may start doing this. I'd love if some less reasonable users from the "Chinese fakes!" thread would read this.
any idea how to defend against this kind of scam? Would you send the cards with notarization?
Not that I plan to sell my Volcanics anytime soon, and not that I know about any way how to prevent low-mid level scam with cards in say 20-50€ threshold.
Crap, this never happened to me, but I guess it's just a matter of time before this becomesa real thing. Maybe one should sell only to the Very Good+ users?

You are too late, pal. Someone already tried.

[decan]

Hello,

Please contact your seller, tell him that you are not satisfied with the
order and want to ship it back in exchange of a full refund. Ship it in
a registered letter after both users agreed on shipping the order back.
Don't confirm the arrival in any case.

Regards,


It aint that easy. Let's see what happens. I will keep ya updated.

[Lemnear]

It aint that easy. Let's see what happens. I will keep ya updated.

Oh my. I immediately have three options in my head to profit from that scenario the dirty way. Thank god, I'm one of the good guys ;)

[decan]

Maybe the seller is nice and gives me one fourth of the money back. As weird as it sounds, Im just glad that not all 4 cards are fake. Now the three cards are just a liittle overprized but still acceptable.

EDIT: he answered:


Sorry , but i bought them as original... Would you please confirm the arrival ? Then i will refound , otherwise i can't refound


That means i have to contact MKM again. Or do you guys know if there is an option to refund before confimation of arrival?

[Lemnear]

Maybe the seller is nice and gives me one fourth of the money back. As weird as it sounds, Im just glad that not all 4 cards are fake. Now the three cards are just a liittle overprized but still acceptable.

EDIT: he answered:



That means i have to contact MKM again. Or do you guys know if there is an option to refund before confimation of arrival?

You can send money between users anytime. It's possible that he has not enough money on his account float to refund you before his account is credited (which happens if you mark "arrived"). I dunno which amount of € we are talking about that refunding for 1 card is such a problem (i have always ~50€ float)

[decan]

Another option is that he tries to scam me (again). So as soon as i confirm I wont hear a word from him again. The card is worth about 60 Euros.
could you explain how to transfer money between users without buying a product? im not a registered seller at the moment. And i couldnt find this option.

[Kathal]

Another option is that he tries to scam me (again). So as soon as i confirm I wont hear a word from him again. The card is worth about 60 Euros.
could you explain how to transfer money between users without buying a product? im not a registered seller at the moment. And i couldnt find this option.

Here stands (https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/Help/Refund_and_Extra_Payment), how the refund system works.

You can find the 'Refund & Extra Payment' option, when you go to your order and above the listed cards there is a link, which gets you to the site to make payments or refunds.

Greetings,
Kathal

[JanoschEausH]

You are too late, pal. Someone already tried.

To defend against this kind of scam, I would always make scans beforehand (and put them on MKM) and never sell/buy NM cards, as fakes are most likely NM or Mint.

[Lemnear]

To defend against this kind of scam, I would always make scans beforehand (and put them on MKM) and never sell/buy NM cards, as fakes are most likely NM or Mint.

Does not help if the scammer claims you sent a different card than advertised.

Edit: it was a Beta Mox I had issues selling. Was not funny. Not. A. Bit.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Super. so it seems like I just sell my collection to flgs and be done withthe thing. After all, it's not that easy to get the €s from the account, unles I'd love to feed the bankster vampires.