Whats would be Legacy's equivalent?

[ceustice]

I've been working on building a legacy community where I live for about 5 years now. I saw this list for a Vintage tournament. It said it would give away budget bonus prizes to the highest placing decks with none of the following:
• The 'Power 9'
• Bazaar of Baghdad
• Mishra's Workshop
• Time Vault
• Imperial Seal

I really like this idea of rewarding the up and coming players to keep that spark in them. I'm looking for ideas for where I should draw this line for the Legacy format.

[iamajellydonut]

Offer incentives to people who don't play with lands I guess? The entire purpose of that list is to entice people who would otherwise skip sanctioned Vintage due to lack of power. They didn't ban the strongest cards. Note that gross things like Yawgmoth's Will are still legal. They offer incentives to those who choose to play without the format barrier. Legacy's format barrier is its lands. There's literally no comparison with Legacy except for the mana base, and at that point you had might as well just offer proxied Legacy.

[from Cairo]

If you're trying to encourage new players into playing non-proxy maybe the budget restriction could be something like....


Dual Lands
Force of Will
Gaea's Cradle
Lion's Eye Diamond


IDK heavily pushes a new player to the few remaining budget options: Burn, UR budget build, maybe UG budget Infect. You could add Wasteland or Aether Vial if you didn't want to include Death and Taxes and Goblins in the competition. You could add Lava Spike or something if you didn't want all the noobs showing up with Burn, since it seems like the obvious choice.

[ceustice]

I was thinking any card over $100 and Force of Will, Wasteland, and Lion's Eye Diamond. In doing this my goal is to get a little extra prize money in someone's pocket so they will eventually build an upper tier deck.

[thecrav]

Any card that sees lots of play and is valuable is good. Lots of people won't play with what they win but cards like these are practically currency that they can turn into the cards that they do want.

[Varal]

Dual Lands
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Imperial Recruiter
Tarmogoyf
Gaea's Cradle
Karakas
Rishadan Port
Force of Will
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Wasteland
Lion's Eye Diamond

[Phelix]

Belcher vs dutch stax vs burn vs manaless dredge will be infinite Fun.

[Tylert]

Why not rewarding people playing with the most original decks? (What deck is original being up to your decision).
You can that way reward people not playing streamline and people coming to the tournament with a Full shockland manabase.

[FoolofaTook]

I was thinking any card over $100 and Force of Will, Wasteland, and Lion's Eye Diamond. In doing this my goal is to get a little extra prize money in someone's pocket so they will eventually build an upper tier deck.

You can't set a strict price limit due to the difference in the cost of the dual lands, with some lands as cheap as $65-70 and others near $300.

What I'd do is set a strict restriction on a limited set of cards and let people build outside of that to qualify.

My list would be:

All cards currently banned in Legacy
All revised and earlier dual lands
All cards valued at $50 or more
All fetches explicitly allowed without regard to price

This would basically get people to buy into a card base that would allow them to switch to Modern if they chose too.

The closest you come to tier 1 lists would be Burn, Merfolk, Manaless Dredge and Elfball minus Gaea's Cradle. The blue shell is mostly out because no painless duals and no Force of Will as well as missing many of it's power staples. People could explore UR Delver minus Force of Will and Volcanic Island. With the right mix of fetches it might almost be good. People could explore Counterbalance and Sensei's Divining Top but without a lot of power that back them up. People could explore RG with Grove of the Burnwillows and Punishing Fire and would probably find something really good in that realm with Zoo at the core and PF as the mid-range stabilizer.

The spikes would all play Burn for prize support. That's the problem. You'll get people who own all the cards playing Burn for the extra prize support because that support reaches much lower into the ladder. No idea how you would manage that issue.

[UseLess]

Ban Lightning Bolt. It would be a format I'd instantly play as I hate the card! There isn't much as frustrating as playing an awesome game of magic, exchanging blows on both sides and then stabilize at 3 or so life, just to have it ended by a bolt in your face...

On a more serious note, it sounds like a pretty fun idea, but I'm also afraid that Burn would be your DtB and I don't think anyone really enjoys that, which might lead to only scaring people away from the format :/.

[iamajellydonut]

Belcher vs dutch stax vs burn vs manaless dredge will be infinite Fun.

I don't think the thread really needed to move beyond this.

When you offer incentives to those without Power at a Vintage event, you basically get a bunch of people showing up with competitive Legacy decks that are tweaked with things like Mental Misstep/Strip Mine/Null Rod, things that were pushed out of Legacy but still viable in Vintage like Goblins, and rogue decks that make use of the availability of neat goodies like Skullclamp. All in all, the scene remains healthy and fun.

If you offer decent incentives to those who run without dual lands and Force of Wills at a Legacy event, you're just going to have a really, really, really shitty format.

[ceustice]

Its not that I want to grow a bad format, I understand that everyone has to start some where. I feel like that if some one does well in a decent sized tournament with say Affinity, Burn or some other deck with out using some of Legacy biggest staples deserves a little reward. Especially if they aren't playing with those cards because they are currently priced out and that is there goal to play a top tier deck eventually.