MTGO Legacy Events [Archive]

jmlima

01-17-2015, 01:36 PM

A small question for people that play legacy in MTGO.

What is the frequency of the daily events firing?

I've been keeping an eye over the past two weeks and, on weekends during day times in the GMT time-zone, I never saw one daily firing. I also never saw a single 8-man queue firing.

Are the only legacy events that fire the ones in US time-zones?

Thanks.

Julian23

01-17-2015, 04:17 PM

Playing basically daily, I can't remember when I saw a European 4pm and 8pm (UTC+1) not fire.

thecrav

01-17-2015, 05:03 PM

Seconding Julian. I see almost all the dailies fire. I notice that you mention weekends. My guess is that people play the dailies during the week then go play paper on the weekend.

jmlima

01-17-2015, 05:09 PM

Hmmm. I wonder if I've been getting the time conversion wrong. :rolleyes:

thecrav

01-17-2015, 05:32 PM

Hmmm. I wonder if I've been getting the time conversion wrong. :rolleyes:

I'm really bad about that. For what it's worth, the time listed in the MTGO client is your local time. That confuses me as well, since their site isn't capable of doing the conversion but their client is.

jmlima

01-18-2015, 05:18 AM

I'm really bad about that. For what it's worth, the time listed in the MTGO client is your local time. That confuses me as well, since their site isn't capable of doing the conversion but their client is.

Oh. I never realized that. Thanks for the tip. I'll keep an eye out today.

jmlima

01-18-2015, 02:51 PM

Was keeping an eye today and saw that both afternoon dailies did fire, quite decent attendance also. (it helps not mucking the time conversions)

Thanks guys.

Islandswamp

02-11-2015, 09:15 PM

I just started playing legacy a few weeks ago, on mtgo. Today I saw a post from wotc saying they are reducing the number of legacy daily events. I rarely get time to play in them anyway, for any format I've been playing, but it is a disappointment to think that the number of chances to play are diminished at all.

I can say from personal experience, that it wasn't easy for me to get a deck to play. I resorted to selling what little paper cards I had to buy wastelands. I would imagine that more people might decide to play if wotc would make the format more accessible, many of the staples are really hard to get. It's not like they're hampered by a reserve list, they could easily make an online-only Legacy masters set, get some Dazes and Wastelands out there. Rishadan Port and Misdirection, too.

I don't hear people say that they don't want to play Legacy because it doesn't look fun, they say that they can't afford it.

Barook

02-11-2015, 10:13 PM

The Legacy events between 1 PM to 3 PM are terrible for Europe since they translate to 22:00 to 24:00 for us.

Make sure to twitter @mtg_lee that this sucks and they need to be rescheduled to an earlier time, at least for weekdays.

M+1

02-12-2015, 05:32 AM

"Some of the Legacy times rarely if ever reach the minimum players needed, while others do all of the time."
Fair enough.
Then one would expect them to keep those events that fired all of the time, right?

No, they cancel the 20:00 UTC-1 (11:00 UTC+8) which always had LOTS of players, and moved it to late in the evening (22-24 UTC-1) which will be too late for much of Europe, because unless you 0-2 drop you will be finished way past bedtime.

The other Legacy times suck for central Europe also, either too early in the morning (4-6) or 14-15 when most people are on their way home from work/school.

Phelix

02-12-2015, 06:00 AM

damn we just got fucked.

I often play whats 8pm to me, and on weekends or days home/off i play the 4pm.

with these changes i can never play legacy online, since i live in europe.

Early mornings im either sleeping or on my way to work. early afternoon im usually working, but i guess every two weeks i can hit one of those.

fuck me.

M+1

02-12-2015, 07:00 AM

jmlima

02-12-2015, 07:14 AM

For reference, these are the new and "improved" Legacy Daily starting hours in central Europe (UTC+1):

Monday and Tuesday: 4, 14 ,22
Wednesday: 5, 23
Thursday: 5, 15, 23
Friday, Saturday, and Sunday: 6, 16, 24

Which means that for anyone that has got a normal working week, you realistically have 2 possible events on Saturday / Sunday.

They are probably just looking ahead and pushing more for Vintage / Modern as they draw money directly from that (besides the DE's) which they do not do with Legacy...

Julian23

02-12-2015, 07:18 AM

This is the ultimate catastrophe and kills of 100% of EU Legacy streaming for anyone with a job. And let's face it, if you're unemployed you're probably not streaming Legacy in the first place.

Barook

02-12-2015, 07:43 AM

This is the ultimate catastrophe and kills of 100% of EU Legacy streaming for anyone with a job. And let's face it, if you're unemployed you're probably not streaming Legacy in the first place.
This

Make sure all of you message @mtg_lee because the current times suck ass. Most people are still at their job for the afternoon daily and the evening dailies are too late. And for what? So Americans also can't play because they're also at work at that time?

Lee Sharpe sure rises fast on my incompetence scala - unless they want to kill Legacy for whatever reason.

@jmlima: How exactly do they draw money from Vintage? :eyebrow: VMA? Not really...

jmlima

02-12-2015, 07:58 AM

This
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@jmlima: How exactly do they draw money from Vintage? :eyebrow: VMA? Not really...

How many drafts were there of Legacy masters? None because there is no legacy masters.

They can resurrect Vintage / Modern drafting whenever they want, they have permanent standard drafting, but they cannot do the same with any of the other formats. They can (and have) got directly money in their pocket out of vintage, not the same for legacy.

Barook

02-12-2015, 08:05 AM

How many drafts were there of Legacy masters? None because there is no legacy masters.

They can resurrect Vintage / Modern drafting whenever they want, they have permanent standard drafting, but they cannot do the same with any of the other formats. They can (and have) got directly money in their pocket out of vintage, not the same for legacy.
Drafting those sets doesn't affect any constructed tournaments.

I don't mind if they cut down on poorly-used DEs, but nuking the most popular DEs this way just sucks.

Phelix

02-12-2015, 08:23 AM

if you have a family and a job, you can play at total of 0 of those.

since playing from 16-20 (even on weekends) is a big "fuck you family" (not picking up kids, helping with dinner, eating w. family, tucking in kids) I actually work untill after this launches, so i cannot even..

that leaves us with the ones ending at 2-3am, and clearly thats not realistic with kids waking up at 6:00-6:30.

Julian23

02-12-2015, 02:42 PM

Thanks for retweeting my original tweet (https://twitter.com/itsJulian23/status/565846473712369664) so much, I hope it eventually will help. @mtg_lee responded to it, let's see if we will see changes.

M+1

02-13-2015, 03:57 AM

Make sure all of you message @mtg_lee because the current times suck ass. Most people are still at their job for the afternoon daily and the evening dailies are too late. And for what? So Americans also can't play because they're also at work at that time?
You can also e-mail them at magiconlinefeedback@wizards.com

Link to the article: http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/articles/archive/magic-online/new-daily-event-schedule-and-meet-your-new-event-manager-2015-02-11

Lemnear

02-13-2015, 04:45 AM

For reference, these are the new and "improved" Legacy Daily starting hours in central Europe (UTC+1):

Monday and Tuesday: 4, 14 ,22
Wednesday: 5, 23
Thursday: 5, 15, 23
Friday, Saturday, and Sunday: 6, 16, 24

Hilarious. Not even kids going to school could make those weekday times, not to talk about adults or parents. The weekend ones are disgusting as well. I SURE would want to spend my Fr/Sat/Sun afternoon during summer sitting in front of a screen! LMFAO.

What about soung something more family friendly like starting times around 8-9am so you can play between breakfast & Lunch and spend the whole afternoon with family, friends and summer activities?

Julian23

02-18-2015, 02:34 PM

Please retweet: https://twitter.com/itsJulian23/status/568130020285267968

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-JnPhsIUAAt0bG.png:large

And yeah, I know: #wither

sdematt

02-18-2015, 03:41 PM

Why would you not just have a bunch that fire for times convenient for Europe, a bunch for Japan, and a bunch of North America? Is it so hard?

-Matt

Julian23

02-18-2015, 03:46 PM

Pomegrant

02-18-2015, 03:53 PM

I don't really understand either because In the past year+ of playing Legacy on MTGO there has not been a daily event I've tried to play in that I didn't see fire. It seems that all of the new times are best suited for if you live on the West Coast of the US. I don't even feel comfortable with the new daily times being in the Eastern US time zone.

amalek0

02-18-2015, 03:56 PM

I refuse to even buy into MTGO for other reasons, but at least I was able to watch Julian and others stream legacy DE's. Now I can't even do that, and I'm a college student on the east coast. Like what the hell?

Barook

02-18-2015, 04:58 PM

They told us that they needed to change it because they saw certain Daily Event slots hardly ever firing. We all called bullshit on it because the 8pm CET one was pretty much guaranteed to fire 100% of times, every time. They removed that one.
The only one that didn't fire was the one at 1pm/13:00 CET - for rather obvious reasons, because who is supposed to play that one? The 8 pm CET event is technically still there, but shifted 2-4 hours later some some retarded reason.

I'll never understand the decision making by the MODO team. V4 is appearently into deep shit now when even the Hasbro president mentions that they will "double their efforts" on MODO (http://imgur.com/a/nhsLq).

Too bad that 2*0 effort = 0 effort. Basic math, motherfucker!

Why would you not just have a bunch that fire for times convenient for Europe, a bunch for Japan, and a bunch of North America? Is it so hard?

-Matt
I also don't get why certain events have to "occupy" certain time slots. Why can't two events start at the same time? We're far away from maxing the servers, considering how many players MODO lost since V4.

How to make MODO more attractive in two simple steps without even improving that PoS client:

- make a time schedule with events where everybody around the globe has a chance to play
- attractive MOCS promos, not the shit they feed us since over half a year

thecrav

02-18-2015, 05:07 PM

I also don't get why certain events have to "occupy" certain time slots. Why can't two events start at the same time? We're far away from maxing the servers, considering how many players MODO lost since V4.

Because if two events occupy the same space, they're less likely to get people paying them tickets for both events. And even if they do, those people will be double queueing which most people don't enjoy playing against.

Also because the idea that someone who wants to play in the standard pauper highlander daily might not be the same person who wants to play in the vintage daily is a hard idea to comprehend.

Barook

02-18-2015, 06:15 PM

Because if two events occupy the same space, they're less likely to get people paying them tickets for both events.
Or they're further cutting down DEs to force people into 2/8-mans since the EV sucks ass, unlike DEs.

Also because the idea that someone who wants to play in the standard pauper highlander daily might not be the same person who wants to play in the vintage daily is a hard idea to comprehend.
If I played tournaments for now (thanks, V4!), it would be Legacy DEs since other formats don't interest me. I won't join 2-mans or 8-mans since they're likely to lose me money and are terrible value in general. And I certainly won't suddenly start playing KtK Sealed just because it stole the slot of the Legacy daily.

So in the end, no money for them and a really pissed-off customer. No wonder people leave in droves.

Edit: I wonder: Could things change if enough people directly complained towards Hasbro about the whole V4 fiasco (instead of Wizards hiding the whole mess from them)?

thecrav

02-18-2015, 07:16 PM

Edit: I wonder: Could things change if enough people directly complained towards Hasbro about the whole V4 fiasco (instead of Wizards hiding the whole mess from them)?

Supposedly, several people bought one share of Hasbro specifically to do this on the last earnings call or whatever the appropriate time to do this was. A lot of Twitter seems to think that's why Hasbro recently announced that they're doubling their effort on MTGO.

On a related note, the ToS for MTGO says that if you stream it, you can't promote competitor games during your stream. Hasbro has explicitly said Hearthstone is not a competitor, so Hearthstone all your MTGO streams!

Barook

02-18-2015, 07:34 PM

Supposedly, several people bought one share of Hasbro specifically to do this on the last earnings call or whatever the appropriate time to do this was. A lot of Twitter seems to think that's why Hasbro recently announced that they're doubling their effort on MTGO.

On a related note, the ToS for MTGO says that if you stream it, you can't promote competitor games during your stream. Hasbro has explicitly said Hearthstone is not a competitor, so Hearthstone all your MTGO streams!
I think the "doubling the effort" has more to do with reduced revenue fron MODO while Hearthstone makes mad cash. But if the share thing actually had an impact, I applaud to those people.

The ToS note is interesting (because honestly, who reads that?), but to be perfectly honest, what are they going to do? Ban you (temporarily)?

There's not better way to shoot you in the foot than drawing the ire of the streamer's viewers plus said streamer not being be able to promote your product, which likely means even more promotion for the competitor.

M+1

02-28-2015, 08:01 AM

Barook

02-28-2015, 08:21 AM

The new Legacy schedule is just as bad for Europe as I thought. I used to be able play 4-5 dailies per week. Now its 0-1 per week. On the positive side I have been getting more time for work and sleep.

I also emailed Wizard about the new schedule, but no reply other than the auto "we read your email". I am considering writing a complaint to Hasbro next.

How are things in the US and elsewhere?
From what I've heard, the times are just as bad for the East Cost players.

I'm all in for complaining directly towards Hasbro. They are probably more sensible to the topic now. However, I would try to organize more people to complain at the same time. If just 1-2 players complained, they wouldn't care. Now if dozens, if not hundreds, of people complain at the same time about the same thing, chances are higher that they might recognize the issue.

Question is how to do it properly and what's the best way to organize it? Twitter?

M+1

03-09-2015, 03:54 PM

Starting yesterday, Daylights Saving Time being off sync between US and Europe makes it a tiny bit better (for me) the next three weeks.
It means that the "early" Daily (Monday and Tuesday) at 22:00 starts at 21:00.

M+1

03-16-2015, 03:28 PM

Barook

03-16-2015, 03:38 PM

Sounds about right. The evening event times actually sound acceptable, at least for Europe.

Phelix

03-16-2015, 04:11 PM

New Daily schedule announced:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/articles/archive/magic-online/april-2015-event-changes-2015-03-16

Legacy starts in central Europe (UTC+1), let me see if I can get this one right:

Mon: 05:00, 13:00, 18:30, 22:00
Tue: 03:00, 13:00, 18:30, 22:00
Wed: 03:00, downtime, 23:00
Thu: 04:00, 14:00, 19:30, 23:00
Fri: 04:00, 15:00, 20:30, 24:00
Sat: 05:00, 15:00, 20:30, 24:00
Sun: 05:00, 15:00, 20:30, 24:00

This is better than nothing, but old times were even better. At least now i can play twice during the week compared to 0.

I think they could add a legacy at 20:30 on wednesdays too, since its usually up by then. maybe with and "if" clause.

Pomegrant

03-16-2015, 04:18 PM

Times are still trash for East Coast Americans. Friday-Sunday you can get a 7 PM event but all other night time dailies still fire at 10 PM or later.

Barook

03-16-2015, 07:26 PM

It's also worth noting that they removed 8-man queues for several formats, including Legacy.

starfox444

03-16-2015, 08:55 PM

New Daily schedule announced:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/articles/archive/magic-online/april-2015-event-changes-2015-03-16

Legacy starts in central Europe (UTC+1), let me see if I can get this one right:

Mon: 05:00, 13:00, 18:30, 22:00
Tue: 03:00, 13:00, 18:30, 22:00
Wed: 03:00, downtime, 23:00
Thu: 04:00, 14:00, 19:30, 23:00
Fri: 04:00, 15:00, 20:30, 24:00
Sat: 05:00, 15:00, 20:30, 24:00
Sun: 05:00, 15:00, 20:30, 24:00

Still pretty fucked here in Australia (I am on UTC +8). I guess I'm sticking to endless 2 mans.

lordofthepit

04-02-2015, 12:19 AM

Apparently, Brainstorm and Gifts Ungiven are now bugged and WOTC is canceling Vintage and Legacy events for the next few days while they try to fix these issues.

Koby

04-02-2015, 12:38 AM

Apparently, Brainstorm and Gifts Ungiven are now bugged and WOTC is canceling Vintage and Legacy events for the next few days while they try to fix these issues.

I would cry that this is a sick April's Fool jokes, but given the Magic Online team track record, this is just par for the course. They are that bad.

Nuke is Good

04-02-2015, 12:50 AM

I would cry that this is a sick April's Fool jokes, but given the Magic Online team track record, this is just par for the course. They are that bad.

I got mad during a leg match the Punishing Fire trigger didn't go off when I tapped my Grove for R mana, I wish they cancelled the daily events when that happened.

Barook

04-02-2015, 01:04 AM

I would cry that this is a sick April's Fool jokes, but given the Magic Online team track record, this is just par for the course. They are that bad.
A real April's Fool announcement would have been leagues actually coming for real this time, with screenshots and stuff.

This, however, is sadly business as usual.