#Goyfgate at GP Vegas Top 8

[Barook]

I kinda missed the initial drama, but I think it's pretty hilarious:

@PascalMaynard got into the Top 8 of GP Vegas and was already in R/W when a foil Goyf was in his pack. Instead of grabbing a Burst Lightning, he decided to pick the value in form of the foil Goyf.

That caused a massive shitstorm on Twitter because lots of Pro Players, including Reid Duke, gave him shit for choosing value over a better chance to win the GP.

Now he's selling his foil Goyf on Ebay and it has a good chance to make him more money than the first place in the GP (aka lousy 4000$, despite Wizards getting ~500k $ from entries alone in that event), with it already being over 2000$ with almost 7 days left:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Foil-Tarmogoyf-MM2-Stamped-GP-Vegas-Top-8-Pascal-Maynard-/261911963536

[H]

From Facebook:


Now that I've taken the time to read just about every tweets, here is what I have to say (Note that everything I replied prior this post was mostly just feeding the troll/story):

I appreciate everyone trying to support me, but the fact is, I agree with everything Owen Turtenwald, William Jensen, Josh Utter-Leyton and Reid Duke ''meant to say''. I find their choices of words a little bit aggressive, but I would've thought just about the same of any other pro in my situation.

I assume what they meant to say was that I'm disgracing the professional community because I valued money over percentages of winning more games, which is easily translated to ; Pro Players don't play Magic for money.

Some play to prove they are still among the best even with a full-time job (see Paul Rietzl).

Some play for fame.

Some play because it's a great, mind challenging game.

Some play as a lifestyle, they want money, but mostly to maintain the ability to travel, eat, pay rent and not have to work a regular job that could affect their availability. (see Owen)

I'm the latter. The truth is that I thought taking this foil Tarmogoyf, was worth more than the percentage I get from having 1 Burst Lightning in my deck. I didnt do it for the actual money, I did it because I thought this X amount of money could possibly mean going to more Grand Prix.

I had under 1 minute to take into account everything and I believe Martin Jůza had the best way to resume my quick thought process. He said, ''Would you pay 500$ to have Burst Lightning in your draft deck.''.

My answer was no. The reason why I agree with what has been said is that I forgot that I had Worlds and Platinum on the line as a result of having such little time to think.

From my lifestyle standpoint, now that I had more than 1 minute to consider what was on the line at that moment, I missplayed.

Do I regret ? From the point of view that my goal is to always find the right play in any giving situation, yes. For the story and entertainment it created ... Would do it again.

Love
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- Pascal

[Esper3k]

Yeah I can't fault him for the money grab there. That foil GP stamped Goyf... *drool*

[Quasim0ff]

The only real concern is why it's dubbed #GoyfGate over #TarmoGate. Other than that, some pro's are pretty butthurt that Paynard Mascal top-8'd and they didn't.

[Barook]

The only real concern is why it's dubbed #GoyfGate over #TarmoGate.
Probably because it has a nicer ring to it. Alliteration and stuff.

[Bahra]

So stupid how Huey Jensen and Owen Turtenwald responded. No Respect, and they apparently has lost all touch with humanity since they respond exactly as they do.

[Julian23]

I already lost a lot of respect for Owen when he told his viewers that he will not thank them for tuning in to his stream because they should actually be the ones thankful to watch him play.

Seriously, I would have totally taken the Goyf there as well. It's like a voucher for free air fare+accommodation to the next GP on your continent. Not everyone is in the fortunate position to have all of that paid for by someone else.

[Lemnear]

Seriously, I would have totally taken the Goyf there as well. It's like a voucher for free air fare+accommodation to the next GP on your continent. Not everyone is in the fortunate position to have all of that paid for by someone else.

this.

You must have lost contact to the real world, bills and such, if you seriously flame anyone for picking a +500$ Voucher instead of a single removal spell in a draft. Heck, the story alone buffed the Goyf to +2200$ already. Good decision made.

[lordofthepit]

I windmill slam that Tarmogoyf. As far as I'm concerned, limited is just a bastard format that you play to open the cards you need for Legacy, and making day 2 or top 8 is simply an opportunity to crack more packs.

http://i.imgur.com/ZNV7ZGr.png
(credit to Cardboard Crack)

Lost a ton of respect for Salt Garden Oath.

[Quasim0ff]

3.1k+$ so far.
6d 14h to go.

[H]

3.1k+$ so far.
6d 14h to go.

I am starting to get the feeling that whoever wins this isn't actually going to pay.

[Barook]

Thing is that it spins its own tale.

Once it surpasses the 4k threshold, it's worth more than the GP payout for getting #1. And the higher the bid gets, the more special it becomes, especially as a one-of-its-kind-item.

I would be suprised if it hit 10k (although I don't think it's impossible), but 7-8k doesn't seem too outlandish at this point.

[Sloshthedark]

Hadn't some top8er passed a foil goyf and got laughed at in MM1? Foil goyf, what a curse, never drafted right :laugh: guess who is happier now...


I windmill slam that Tarmogoyf. As far as I'm concerned, limited is just a bastard format that you play to open the cards you need for Legacy, and making day 2 or top 8 is simply an opportunity to crack more packs.

I like that attitude

[PirateKing]

Once it surpasses the 4k threshold, it's worth more than the GP payout for getting #1.

Well already over $3,000 plus the $1,000 he got from the 5-8th finish means he's already surpassed top prize alone.

[Esper3k]

I already lost a lot of respect for Owen when he told his viewers that he will not thank them for tuning in to his stream because they should actually be the ones thankful to watch him play.

Seriously, I would have totally taken the Goyf there as well. It's like a voucher for free air fare+accommodation to the next GP on your continent. Not everyone is in the fortunate position to have all of that paid for by someone else.

Turtenwald has always been known as an asshole, I think. I'm more disappointed at Reid Duke since he's generally known to be a pretty cool guy.

If conservatives had at the hash tag, it would be #TarmoGazi.

[Richard Cheese]

Why is this even a thing? He made it to the top 8, what he does from there is entirely his decision.

I would have drafted it face up and started dancing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZT5YUkxhYw

[Barook]

Well already over $3,000 plus the $1,000 he got from the 5-8th finish means he's already surpassed top prize alone.
There's also the part Ebay takes, plus he said to donate half of the money he gets from the sale (unless he gets something back via a tax refund).

[cdr]

There's also the part Ebay takes, plus he said to donate half of the money he gets from the sale (unless he gets something back via a tax refund).

eBay takes ~10% and PayPal takes ~3%. At least last time I used eBay enough to care, which was awhile ago.

[Quasim0ff]

Turtenwald has always been known as an asshole, I think. I'm more disappointed at Reid Duke since he's generally known to be a pretty cool guy.

If conservatives had at the hash tag, it would be #TarmoGazi.

Reid Duke: "This was a great post Pascal Maynard. I was out of line earlier today and I'm sorry. You're a good guy and a great player."

[Dark Ritual]

Glad to hear Reid Duke apologize for his previous words. Owen Turtenwald is a gigantic fucking asshole from what I've heard and now this just makes him a giant douche in my mind. I hope this goyf reaches $10K+ just to spite him as that's worth more than 1st place alone even with half going to charity post fees. As for how much in fees Pascal will pay I think there's a cap on those but I'm not sure having never sold a card on ebay worth 4 figures or more.

I would have taken the goyf in his position. Pay rent or be homeless. The choice is crystal clear. The odds of winning more money with a burst lightning in your deck are quite small whereas this is guaranteed profit sure Pascal couldn't have known that this controversy would drive the bids up to heaven with the card sitting at over $3k now with over 6 days remaining however in hindsight his comment "For the story and entertainment it created ... Would do it again." explains his position quite well as he's probably just laughing right now as he watches the bids continue to escalate and how much he stands to gain from #goyfgate.

[Lemnear]

If one or the other of you guys want to entertain the board and me, you are welcome to quote the stuff Reid & Co. said/wrote in regards to the topic ;D

[phonics]

If one or the other of you guys want to entertain the board and me, you are welcome to quote the stuff Reid & Co. said/wrote in regards to the topic ;D

I just googled goyfgate and there was a youtube video some guy did that had all of them. They pretty much said they lost respect for him and that he should have more respect for the game.

[danyul]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7iygjf9qgo

[Barook]

The Goyf has now exceeded the 4,3k mark. And there are still 6d 10h to go.

People really go crazy over it.

[LOLWut]

Owen is the UWR Delver godfather; he's had his ticket to hell for a while.

By the way, all of you, and the entire male gender, love soap opera dramas and he-said-she-said gossip just as much as women do. We just call it sports, politics, and MtG.

[Kathal]

Thing is that it spins its own tale.

Once it surpasses the 4k threshold, it's worth more than the GP payout for getting #1. And the higher the bid gets, the more special it becomes, especially as a one-of-its-kind-item.

I would be suprised if it hit 10k (although I don't think it's impossible), but 7-8k doesn't seem too outlandish at this point.

Attention Attention pls, the #GoyfGate Goyf breached the 10k barrier and is currently at 10,099.90$

I give a crap about the story, but I find it pretty funny how much he will get for the Goyf (might be the most expensive Magiccard in history).

Greetings,
Kathal

[meffeo]

It's 12k right now. No way...

[eostby]

Inb4 it's Owen bidding on the card.

[Esper3k]

Reid Duke: "This was a great post Pascal Maynard. I was out of line earlier today and I'm sorry. You're a good guy and a great player."

Glad to hear he apologized.

Anyone else also think about the shit Maynard would've gotten if he hadn't taken the Goyf?

[Barook]

It's 12k right now. No way...
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/353/279/e31.jpg


Attention Attention pls, the #GoyfGate Goyf breached the 10k barrier and is currently at 10,099.90$

I give a crap about the story, but I find it pretty funny how much he will get for the Goyf (might be the most expensive Magiccard in history).

Greetings,
Kathal
I think Black Loti went for 30k+ before.

[phonics]

Tell me about the price when it actually sells. A bunch of 0 rep accounts are driving up the price.

[Seraphix]

Glad to hear he apologized.

...


Huey and Owen also posted belated, half-baked apologies FWIW.

[Lord Seth]

Obligatory Cardboard Crack link (http://cardboard-crack.com/post/120509442071/goyfgate).

[jrw1985]

Huey and Owen also posted belated, half-baked apologies FWIW.

Well, that certainly won't help Goyfy reach $20K.

6 DAYS to go and we're sitting at $16,100. It's a legit bid too. Top bidder has 100% positive feedback with nearly 3000 reviews.
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=261911963536&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

[Ace/Homebrew]

EDIT: jrw beat me to it and answered my questions! :tongue:


Current bid is $16,100...

I don't e-bay, but I read the bidding requirements and bids over $15K require a credit card. So these are legit bids?
I'm not sure what the number and symbol next to the bidder mean, but I assume it is some sort of rating. Is 2972 and a red star indicate a reliable bidder?

[PirateKing]

At this point the only person still thinking he should have drafted the Burst Lightning was the guy sitting to the right...

[Blakroc]

Tell me about the price when it actually sells. A bunch of 0 rep accounts are driving up the price.

Seems about right, but the top bidder right now has almost 3000 ratings, 100% positive. Bid is $16,100. I would seriously reconsider my life if I paid that much for a piece of cardboard with a stamp on it.

[Esper3k]

If I could afford to drop that much on a card, I'd take that as a sign that I was doing something right with my life.

[Barook]

Seems about right, but the top bidder right now has almost 3000 ratings, 100% positive. Bid is $16,100. I would seriously reconsider my life if I paid that much for a piece of cardboard with a stamp on it.
I think we've long passed the point of sane collectors. Now it seems all about being a dick waving contest of super rich people - with some charity thrown in as the icing on the top.

[Lord Seth]

EDIT: jrw beat me to it and answered my questions! :tongue:


Current bid is $16,100...

I don't e-bay, but I read the bidding requirements and bids over $15K require a credit card. So these are legit bids?
I'm not sure what the number and symbol next to the bidder mean, but I assume it is some sort of rating. Is 2972 and a red star indicate a reliable bidder?The number comes from your positive and negative feedback. If you get positive feedback, it goes up by 1. If you get negative feedback, it goes down by 1. So a high number shows you've done a whole lot of transactions.

The star is fairly meaningless, you just get different color stars based on how many points you have.

[(nameless one)]

You have to be pretty retarded to pass a foil tarmogoyf during a draft. I don't get why Pascal was getting flak about it.

What integrity? These are the same people that work for a company that hordes cards to jack up their prices.

[Redkid43]

This is probably more ridiculous and immature than Crackgate

this is what anyone would do if a foil goyf came your way

http://i.imgur.com/snpLPAE.gif

[Megadeus]

Almost 20k. This should be interesting.

[Dice_Box]

Twitter is blowing hot air into the atmosphere again? Did we need a thread on that? Seams like the only reason for the sites existence.

[Plague Sliver]

Snap keep the foil stamped Goyf! #noregrets

[paeng4983]

I bet they're all envy at your foil Tarmo. Congrats and good job for landing that goyf!

[Lemnear]

Owen is the UWR Delver godfather; he's had his ticket to hell for a while.

By the way, all of you, and the entire male gender, love soap opera dramas and he-said-she-said gossip just as much as women do. We just call it sports, politics, and MtG.

You seriously believe Owen came up with the Patriot Delver idea? Oh dear god, we had that discussion on the board like two weeks ago in regards of Todd Anderson crediting BBD for the development of Ponder Miracles -_-

[Barook]

It's back to 16k and the 3k rating guy's bid is gone. What happened?

[Julian23]

This happened:

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11350543_10153374025836499_554615106778071631_n.jpg?oh=de51bcc7a6efd0a8f75c8b3da8abe11c&oe=56033A66

He later also shows up in the comments of the picture that Pascal posted to his facebook feed. Apparently the guy is the CEO of some medium (big?) card-selling company and currently making a complete idiot out of himself. In the comments he takes about that people should come and rape him, he doesn't care. He also provides a (his?) phone number so people can call him and curse at him. Then more rape-talk. Seriously, the guy is completly obsessed with getting raped. He also asked one girl whether she ever regretted not fucking some guy that apparently died and whether she hooked up with someone via Tinder during GP Vegas. Either that guys account got hacked or he really went apeshit crazy lunatic idiot.

[Lemnear]

It's back to 16k and the 3k rating guy's bid is gone. What happened?

I suspect he withdrew it because the bidding-madness is obviously trolling from the start. Personally, I would have not allowed this as a seller, but yeah :rolleyes:

[Barook]

This happened:

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11350543_10153374025836499_554615106778071631_n.jpg?oh=de51bcc7a6efd0a8f75c8b3da8abe11c&oe=56033A66

He later also shows up in the comments of the picture that Pascal posted to his facebook feed. Apparently the guy is the CEO of some medium (big?) card-selling company and currently making a complete idiot out of himself. In the comments he takes about that people should come and rape him, he doesn't care. He also provides a (his?) phone number so people can call him and curse at him. Then more rape-talk. Seriously, the guy is completly obsessed with getting raped. He also asked one girl whether she ever regretted not fucking some guy that apparently died and whether she hooked up with someone via Tinder during GP Vegas. Either that guys account got hacked or he really went apeshit crazy lunatic idiot.
Sounds hacked.

Also, why do people think they can get away with winning a bid and then not paying? Isn't that supposed to be a legally binding contract in the U.S., too?

[LOLWut]

Owen is the UWR Delver godfather; he's had his ticket to hell for a while.

By the way, all of you, and the entire male gender, love soap opera dramas and he-said-she-said gossip just as much as women do. We just call it sports, politics, and MtG.
You seriously believe Owen came up with the Patriot Delver idea? Oh dear god, we had that discussion on the board like two weeks ago in regards of Todd Anderson crediting BBD for the development of Ponder Miracles -_-
[god-fah-th er]

noun
1. a man who serves as sponsor for a child at baptism.
2. any male sponsor or guardian.
3. (often initial capital letter) a powerful leader, especially of the Mafia.
4. a person who is regarded as the originator or principal shaper of a movement, school of thought, art form, industry, or the like: the godfather of abstract expressionism.
verb (used with object)
5. to act as godfather to; be sponsor or protector for.

[Undomian]

Sounds hacked.

Also, why do people think they can get away with winning a bid and then not paying? Isn't that supposed to be a legally binding contract in the U.S., too?

It's probably real, the guy has been showing his scumbag side recently. He took down the Facebook post but he was saying some pretty nasty stuff on there.

[Lord Seth]

Sounds hacked.

Also, why do people think they can get away with winning a bid and then not paying? Isn't that supposed to be a legally binding contract in the U.S., too?I don't think it's legally binding. Or if it is, eBay likely doesn't care enough to actually go to court over it. I know they have some kind of penalty for it.

It is possible to cancel bids you placed, though, before the item is sold, but you have to provide some kind of explanation for it.

[danyul]

I've won ebay auctions on accident/impulse and neglected to pay for them. I'm an asshole. They just sent me an email saying "Don't you do that again, Mister!" and that was it. I dunno how many strikes you get before they go after you, but I know you get at least one freebie.

[Barook]

I don't think it's legally binding. Or if it is, eBay likely doesn't care enough to actually go to court over it. I know they have some kind of penalty for it.
Not Ebay, but the buyer/seller.

At least in Germany, people have been successfully sued over crap like this since the auction is legally binding for all intents and purposes, e.g. the one guy who withdrew his car auction before finishing and had to pay over 5k € compentsation to the highest bidder at that point who sued him in response.

[zulander]

Seems about right, but the top bidder right now has almost 3000 ratings, 100% positive. Bid is $16,100. I would seriously reconsider my life if I paid that much for a piece of cardboard with a stamp on it.

If I could afford to drop that much on a card, I'd take that as a sign that I was doing something right with my life.

zing.

[Varal]

It's supposed to be legally binding but there's a lot of hoops to go through. You need to find the real identity of the bidder, go to court (can be really complicated in international transactions), prove the account wasn't hacked and other hoops. Then at the end you either have a 12 year old kid, a guy in Somalia or someone without the money to pay. All you get is a $5000 lawyer bill and not much else.

[Amon Amarth]

This is retarded. Seems like people getting mad because someone didn't act the way they wanted them to act. Who wouldn't windmill slam that goyf? For a lot of people that talk about EV all the fucking time they sure seem pretty blind to it in this instance.

[Jonathan Alexander]

This is retarded. Seems like people getting mad because someone didn't act the way they wanted them to act. Who wouldn't windmill slam that goyf? For a lot of people that talk about EV all the fucking time they sure seem pretty blind to it in this instance.

With Platinum & a Worlds invite on the line, this is much closer than you might expect. Well, that is if the Goyf sell for its regular price. Also, the value of being able to say you won a GP is very real as well, at least to some people. The expected value is clearly different for each person in this case.

[iamajellydonut]

Another bid's been retracted.

[Lemnear]

Another bid's been retracted.

Too much trolling going on @ eBay. Heared he refuses to send the card anyways, so you have to pick it up yourself after payment

[Julian23]

Peter, that's a joke a lot of people are pulling, because Pascal never ships a foil Tarmogoyf. Get it? He never ships it

:rolleyes:


:tongue::tongue:

[Barook]

And we're back to 14.2k $ - how boring. :rolleyes:

[iamajellydonut]

From 90 bids to 57.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Two hours left and the bidding is just shy of $15,000.

[Lemnear]

Peter, that's a joke a lot of people are pulling, because Pascal never ships a foil Tarmogoyf. Get it? He never ships it

:rolleyes:


:tongue::tongue:

ok ok ok ... got it xD

[Varal]

Now, he just has to hope that the winner wasn't trolling.

[Barook]

Now, he just has to hope that the winner wasn't trolling.
Actually, the Ebay thing still was a troll.

https://twitter.com/PascalMaynard/status/620615746167701504

The end price he got was 2007$, 75% of which he then donated. Way less impressive than before.

[iamajellydonut]

That's depressing and also scummy.

[Ozymandias]

On the bright side, he did win a GP like right after #Goyfgate, retroactively completely validating his decision.