Took a break for four years, now what?

[jrsthethird]

I sold all my cards a few years ago and I started playing on MTGO recently. I want to get back into Legacy. I used to play New Horizons, but I see from this board that that deck really isn't an option anymore due to the meta. I'm looking for two things:

1. An affordable, but competitive deck to get back into the format.
2. Is there anything similar to New Horizons around now?

Thanks in advance.

[ESG]

1. What is considered affordable varies from player to player. The blue shell isn't cheap, but it's considered essential. You could supplement with shock lands and more basics in the meantime. I assume you want to be in the blue shell if you came from playing New Horizons. What do you play on MTGO?

2. Can you explain what features you liked in particular about New Horizons? I think that will help with any recommendations we could give you. If you enjoy tempo and mana denial, then RUG Delver is probably where you want to go. BUG Delver is slightly slower but still plays the tempo game. Unfortunately, these decks are on the more expensive end of the format. The cheaper decks are mostly the nonblue ones. I think a tempo Bant list could be designed, too. That would stick to the New Horizons colors. Bant decks last made an appearance built around True-Name Nemesis, but there are probably other directions you could go. I recommend exploring this thread: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?25546-Primer-Bant-Aggro-%28Midrange%29 But any three-color deck in the blue shell could be competitive, honestly.

[jrsthethird]

I really enjoyed the land tutoring and recursion, combined with the tempo and mana denial. Crucible of Worlds with Knight of the Reliquary was probably my favorite combo in the deck, and Stifle was always a card I enjoyed playing. I am aware it's expensive though. :/

I enjoy playing offbeat decks too. I'm currently playing a Modern Restore Balance deck on MTGO, and I love it. (List here (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?22071-Deck-Restore-Balance&p=885800&viewfull=1#post885800)). I actually built Eggs in Modern right before getting out of the game, but never really got a chance to play it in a tournament. This was a year or so before the deck took off and Sunrise got banned. I had a stint playing Spanish Inquisition (terribly), but I loved that deck too.

I guess I'm looking for something without blue or Goyf that can hold me over until I dish out for the format staples. Or, I won't find something I like, but I'll have an idea of what to save up for.

[Zombie]

UR Delver into RUG, maybe? That way you can focus on Volcs+Force first and then move into green as funds allow.

[Barook]

Current MTGO metagame decks including prices (http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/legacy/full#online)

What you're looking for is probably RG Lands (http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-lands-12476#online), but that one is easily the most expensive deck of the Online format due to Wastelands and especially Ports.


I guess I'm looking for something without blue or Goyf that can hold me over until I dish out for the format staples.


UR Delver into RUG, maybe? That way you can focus on Volcs+Force first and then move into green as funds allow.
Reminded me of this: :wink:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FPgtsohaIs

[glowparty]

the deck Loam features knight of the reliquary with land recursion, isn't blue, and was piloted to win a 535 player tournament a year ago:

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=7248&f=LE


last i saw, the pilot was with this list (3 months ago, after treasure cruise ban):

2x Barren Moor
2x Bayou
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Forest
3x Grove of the Burnwillows
1x Karakas
1x Thespian's Stage
1x Dark Depths
1x Scrubland
1x Taiga
1x Savannah
2x Tranquil Thicket
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoths
3x Wasteland
3x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
3x Dark Confidant
1x Deathrite Shaman
1x Gaddock Teeg
4x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
3x Abrupt Decay
3x Punishing Fire
2x Green Sun's Zenith
3x Life from the Loam
4x Chalice of the Void
4x Mox Diamond
1x Sylvan Library
3x Liliana of the Veil

Sideboard

2x Oblivion Ring
2x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Gaddock Teeg
2x Golgari Charm
2x Slaughter Games
4x Leyline of the Void
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Ancient Grudge


loam thread: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?16436-Deck-Aggro-Loam/page110

I'm looking towards branching into Loam from Zombardment-thing.

[sjmcc13]

Hello, there is a thread on MtGSalvation titledGetting Started in Legacy and Legacy Budget Primer (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/572047-getting-started-in-legacy-and-legacy-budget-primer) They are not the best, but that is the nature of playing on a budget. However you might find something there that would be fun to start with and slowly build into a stronger list.

You can use he Deck Pricer (http://www.mtggoldfish.com/tools/deck_pricer#online) tool on MtGGoldfish to estimate how much a deck will cost on modo, though in my experience that is an upper price and if you shop around you can find things for less from other vendors, but it can be a pain to go through all of them to find the best price on a card.

[Barook]

@jrsthethird: How high is your budget?

I'd definitely try to play a real, competitive (but cheap) deck over an imcomplete budget variant of a popular deck or some T2-T3 crap.

[jimmythegreek]

Worship the dark lord.....and play manaless dredge.

[clavio]

Death and Taxes doesn't play any duals.

[(nameless one)]

Death and Taxes doesn't play any duals.

But the price of Wastelands, Ports and Karakas though.

[Barook]

Death and Taxes doesn't play any duals.
D&T is the second-most expensive deck on MODO (after RG lands, with Shardless BUG and Jund being runner-ups) due to Ports and Wasteland (Karakas is cheap online due to an MODO-exclusive precon).

[Mr Miagi]

I love these threads. Somebody wants to get (back) into legacy. Wants a competative deck, important that it's not the priceiest, but some cash is available for investment, oh and again deck must be good.

Is it so hard to tell us how much to do you want to spend on the deck from the begining?

But then again these threads are pretty much fail as ppl will (and already have) suggested every deck from tier 1 to tier 3.

[MGB]

You can play Omnitell without the red splash. It's maybe not 100% optimal but it's still very good.

The only expensive things you need are 4 Force of Will and 4 Show and Tell. And then if you get more funds later on for the Volcanic Islands you can always add the red splash later.

[sjmcc13]

You can play Omnitell without the red splash. It's maybe not 100% optimal but it's still very good.

The only expensive things you need are 4 Force of Will and 4 Show and Tell. And then if you get more funds later on for the Volcanic Islands you can always add the red splash later.

Unless you are playing/building on MODO where Show and Tell is the single most expensive card in the deck.

[MGB]

Unless you are playing/building on MODO where Show and Tell is the single most expensive card in the deck.

So it's even cheaper to build on MTGO than in cardboard.

It's a good choice for someone looking for a (relatively) inexpensive, but still highly competitive, Legacy deck in either digital or cardboard.

[sjmcc13]

So it's even cheaper to build on MTGO than in cardboard.

It's a good choice for someone looking for a (relatively) inexpensive, but still highly competitive, Legacy deck in either digital or cardboard.

That depends on how you look at it. I just looked at the MTGGoldfish metagame page (http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/legacy#online), and compared the prices it listed for the top 12 decks. Omnitell is listed at 680.69, and is the 3rd most expensive deck, with only the 2 Goyf decks costing more. (the average of the 12 was $582.10 online), when I checked the individual Omnitell lists then varied but there was a couple around $610-630 range, but the last 2 deck to 4-0 were both over $800.

Though I checked the physical price of those lists (not counting for finding deals) and the cheapest Omnitell list was still around $1634 once you change the fetched from 4 Kans, 6 ZEn to 8 Kans, 2 Zen, it is still cheaper then most Legacy decks, but not all. But if depends on if this is about building an affordable deck for MTGO or Physical play, the post does not specify, other then saying he started playing MTGO recently, which makes me think MTGO.

[Tammit67]

I sold all my cards a few years ago and I started playing on MTGO recently. I want to get back into Legacy. I used to play New Horizons, but I see from this board that that deck really isn't an option anymore due to the meta. I'm looking for two things:

1. An affordable, but competitive deck to get back into the format.
2. Is there anything similar to New Horizons around now?

Thanks in advance.

New horizons style decks don't really work at the moment, snapcaster is too good at answering big lumbering threats when pair with swords to plowshares. I actually don't think that deck should have worked much anyway, Dave Price was just preying on weaker pilots who didn't play around stfile/waste/daze.

The format has evolved so much due to the more recent printings that I'm not sure you can capture what you are looking for. Canadian Threshold/RUG Delver/Temur Delver are probably the closest you'll get to new horizons and the only deck left running force/waste/daze/stifle.

Prices for that, as with other blue decks really, are prohibitive though. it would really help understanding what kind of budget you are working with.

Welcome back Joe.

[jrsthethird]

I know Legacy is expensive. lol it's still a little shocking to think about how much my collection would have been worth now if I hadn't sold it all. Oh well. I'm playing MTGO, mainly due to cost but also convenience.

I definitely noticed the landscape changed a lot.

I'd like to keep it around $500 total. Not super cheap, but still competitive. I honestly didn't have an idea of a range coming in; I didn't know what the prices for things were at. I just know that duals are relatively cheap on MTGO and Goyfs are expensive. Didn't realize how pricey Wastes and Ports were though.

I'm actually really liking the stuff in the Grixis Control thread. Miracles and Delver seem like good options too. Looks like I have some Pondering to do.

[Mr Miagi]

..and some money raising to, as you noticed, legacy got (more) expensive :wink:

[jrsthethird]

I made a deck that's almost a carbon copy of the 1st Place deck at GP Columbus, except Wastelands (because $$$). I can't find a Grixis Delver thread on here so I don't have a primer to read or a good place to point my questions.

I also ran into a couple people online running Stifle too and I want to see discussion on that.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-ubr-20477#online

[jrsthethird]

Nevermind, it's in the New and Developmental forum because it's missing a primer.

[supremePINEAPPLE]

Wow, I would have expected the tempest remastered reprint to help the price of wasteland a little more. It's a bummer a that it's still pricing people out of exactly what they want to play.

[nedleeds]

I guess I'm looking for something without blue

You are looking for Modern, the last legacy GP was 8/8 blue decks.

[sjmcc13]

Wow, I would have expected the tempest remastered reprint to help the price of wasteland a little more. It's a bummer a that it's still pricing people out of exactly what they want to play. It did, Wasteland just recovered allot of what it lost already. Wastes were what ~110 online before Tempest Remastered was announced, and started going down right after then announcement going down to what ~40 at release, They then started recovering shortly after the set was released, and look like they might by starting to stabilize now.

The problem is Tempest Remastered did not have enough a long draft window, not much was added to the card pool since it was a rare, so there should have been like 2 in every 5 drafts. The rest of the set was a bit lackluster in post draft value which did not help either.

You need to remember that wizards never got over the problems from Chronicles that caused the reserved list, and are still way yo affraid to do something to drop the price of cards once they becomes expensive, This is part of why Goyf was a Mythic in MM and MM2, to not drop the price to much, The only thing that justifies Goyf as a mythic is its price, it is no where near as good in limited, and dropping the price would really help the player base get into Modern and Legacy. They could make ALLOT of money if they took steps to make the eternal formats (or even just modern) significantly cheaper, as it is most of what MM has done is shift the value around and inflate the cards not getting reprinted (Snapcaster is at what now?)

[Amon Amarth]

It did, Wasteland just recovered allot of what it lost already. Wastes were what ~110 online before Tempest Remastered was announced, and started going down right after then announcement going down to what ~40 at release, They then started recovering shortly after the set was released, and look like they might by starting to stabilize now.

The problem is Tempest Remastered did not have enough a long draft window, not much was added to the card pool since it was a rare, so there should have been like 2 in every 5 drafts. The rest of the set was a bit lackluster in post draft value which did not help either.

You need to remember that wizards never got over the problems from Chronicles that caused the reserved list, and are still way yo affraid to do something to drop the price of cards once they becomes expensive, This is part of why Goyf was a Mythic in MM and MM2, to not drop the price to much, The only thing that justifies Goyf as a mythic is its price, it is no where near as good in limited, and dropping the price would really help the player base get into Modern and Legacy. They could make ALLOT of money if they took steps to make the eternal formats (or even just modern) significantly cheaper, as it is most of what MM has done is shift the value around and inflate the cards not getting reprinted (Snapcaster is at what now?)

Bolded for emphasis. In case anyone hasn't noticed, check the price of cards when they're rumored to be reprinted in Modern Masters and then look at the price when they're confirmed to not be in the set. They blow up. The market is moving way, way faster than WotC does.

[Barook]

Bolded for emphasis. In case anyone hasn't noticed, check the price of cards when they're rumored to be reprinted in Modern Masters and then look at the price when they're confirmed to not be in the set. They blow up. The market is moving way, way faster than WotC does.
It certainly doesn't help that the guy who does the MOCS promos is yet another idiot who is out of touch with the userbase. Nobody wanted the reprint of Vindicate since nobody is using it. Yet we got another reprint as MOCS promo - in the old version instead of the new one. The selection process in a nutshell:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHpwesFWwAAXgGq.jpg:large

As for Wasteland, expect it to go up even further since said idiot isn't willing to reprint money cards and then wonders why people are getting pissed after they get shit month after month while their feedback is completely ignored.

[sjmcc13]

It certainly doesn't help that the guy who does the MOCS promos is yet another idiot who is out of touch with the userbase. Nobody wanted the reprint of Vindicate since nobody is using it. Yet we got another reprint as MOCS promo - in the old version instead of the new one. The selection process in a nutshell:
They did Show and Tell last year didn't they? But ya any promo for playing in or winning tournaments should be a card that sees notable competitive play, a card that does not see play, or only sees play as a sideboard card should not be used as a promo unless it sees little play because people can not afford it, and dropping the price would increase is presence in the metagame.