Conspiracy: Take the Crown

[Barook]

Conspiracy 2: Electric Boogaloo (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-conspiracy-2)

Looks like we get another summer set.

[Finn]

Yawn. I freaking hate draft except cube.

[sjmcc13]

The first one had promise, but the ideas were horribly implemented, and it got old fast.
Hope they do better with #2, but I doubt it.

[iamajellydonut]

Yawn. I freaking hate draft except cube.

In a sinister twist of events, Finn is revealed to be a Debbie Downer.

Draft fukken rules.

[apple713]

seems like wotc is just trying to milk magic players for everything they have by spamming sets. This feels like a very bad thing for the game even if it will likely bring short term gains to the business.

[iamajellydonut]

seems like wotc is just trying to milk magic players for everything they have by spamming sets. This feels like a very bad thing for the game even if it will likely bring short term gains to the business.

Welcome to seven years ago when they made the core set changes.

[twndomn]

Conspiracy 1 gave Legacy Stifle, Brainstorm, and Council's Judgement. Conspiracy 2?

[GundamGuy]

Conspiracy 1 gave Legacy Stifle, Brainstorm, and Council's Judgement. Conspiracy 2?

IDK, but it's weird that we are getting Eternal Masters and Conspiracy 2 in the same summer.

[shocked439]

Conspiracy 1 gave Legacy Stifle, Brainstorm, and Council's Judgement. Conspiracy 2?

Legendary duals... queue conspiracy music duh duh dun..

[Berserking Now]

I am actually more excited for this than eternal masters since conspiracy 1 was one of the better drafting experiences I had recently. Conspiracy 1 also contributed a reasonable amount of legacy cards. I hope this set does the same.

[iamajellydonut]

Conspiracy 1 gave Legacy Stifle, Brainstorm, and Council's Judgement...

Dack
Exploration
Pillarfield Ox
Misdirection
StP
...

[Dice_Box]

The first set was my second favourite draft format of all time. (Legacy cube... Someone might best you but not today.) High hopes for version 2.

[Cartesian]

My first thought:
The Legacy banned list will be expanded with 13 new completely irrelevant draft cards... Again.

Second thought:
Let's hope for more Legacy reprints, and a few new interesting cards. Hopefully without "Voting" or other dumb multiplayer mechanics.

[Crimhead]

The first one had promise, but the ideas were horribly implemented, and it got old fast.
Hope they do better with #2, but I doubt it.Yeah, this does not bode well for the trade value of my sealed Conspiracy box; especially if #2 is simply a better draft experience. :(


Legendary duals... queue conspiracy music duh duh dun..This would technically violate the letter of the RL unless the Lands had some other type or ability.

[H]

The worst part about this is how the Legacy and Vintage Banned list will now have about 183* cards on it, for no real reason.

Could they please, please, please just make a blanket "All card woth the Conspiracy-type are banned in Legacy and Vintage."

*Not the actual correct number, I'm just saying it's way too many and unnecessary to list them all.

[Patrunkenphat7]

This is cool. I don't know why people would not like this; it seems strictly better than nothing haha... But really I don't care about ever drafting this set but am happy about more eternal cards potentially seeing print and maybe even some Legacy or Cube playable new cards.

[sjmcc13]

Pillarfield Ox Umm, am I missing something here?

[iamajellydonut]

Umm, am I missing something here?

Got something to say against Pillarfield Ox? C'mon. Bring it.

[sjmcc13]

Got something to say against Pillarfield Ox? C'mon. Bring it.
It dies to removal... ;)

[iamajellydonut]

It dies to removal... ;)

But not to Bolt. Thing is a Modern champion.

[Dice_Box]

I love you guys.

[Ellomdian]

I mean, I'm as excited as the next guy about new cards in Legacy (and the random reprints in foil) but...

How many different products are they going to try to make stores keep track of? It's bad enough that boxes of the previous set die on the shelves when the new one comes out, but supplemental product is even worse. It's super popular, then it's not popular, then 2 years later it's insanely valuable, unless they've reprinted the 2 cards everyone wants twice again already.

[thecrav]

My first thought:
The Legacy banned list will be expanded with 13 new completely irrelevant draft cards... Again.



The worst part about this is how the Legacy and Vintage Banned list will now have about 183* cards on it, for no real reason.

Could they please, please, please just make a blanket "All card woth the Conspiracy-type are banned in Legacy and Vintage."

*Not the actual correct number, I'm just saying it's way too many and unnecessary to list them all.

This is my single wish list from the set as well. By my count, Conspiracies make up 17% of the current banned list. If they add the same number of conspiracies, that number will go up to ~30% :/

Alternatively, I'd really like it if the list was at least organized. Something like:

Ante Cards

list
Conspiracy Cards

list

[H]

This is my single wish list from the set as well. By my count, Conspiracies make up 17% of the current banned list. If they add the same number of conspiracies, that number will go up to ~30% :/

Alternatively, I'd really like it if the list was at least organized. Something like:

Ante Cards

list
Conspiracy Cards

list

Yeah, I mean, we know what is on the list, because we've been around the block a few times. However, for newer players it's just obnoxious. At the very least it should be separated like you said.

[Jamaican Zombie Legend]

Cool, a special product that's actually affordable and stands a chance of actually reducing the price of some cards.

I'm already much more excited for this than Eternal Moneygrabsters.

[Delvis]

Cool, a special product that's actually affordable and stands a chance of actually reducing the price of some cards.

I'm already much more excited for this than Eternal Moneygrabsters.

This, plus the fact that they can print brand new cards in Conspiracy that go directly into the Eternal card pool without passing Go or collecting $200 (unless they're foil Japanese mythics or something).

I hope the draft format is less broken this time around. I know a lot of people enjoyed it, and the mechanics were actually pretty cool, but after drafting the set twice I knew I'd never do it again. Conspiracies were just unreal good - I had an opponent start with Double Stroke and he had drafted like 8 Tyrant's Choice. He burned everyone out on turn 4 or 5.

Now, is that sweet? Yeah. But it made for some really not-fun draft games.

[Quasim0ff]

But not to Bolt. Thing is a Modern champion.

Bolt isn't good in modern anymore. Didn't you get the memo?

Dies to Dismember.

*This is also the only place where it's downright expected to dislike something, just because they are Wotc. Conspiracy have been considered one of the most fun draft sets in recent history, yet people here complain because they aren't the target audience. Nice mates, lighten up.

**Pillerfield Ox is also amazing. Please notice the flavor text on it.

[Ryu]

Man they really missed out on a sweet title. Announcing Conspiracy 2: The Electric Bugaloo!

[Ace/Homebrew]

I hope the draft format is less broken this time around. I know a lot of people enjoyed it, and the mechanics were actually pretty cool, but after drafting the set twice I knew I'd never do it again. Conspiracies were just unreal good - I had an opponent start with Double Stroke and he had drafted like 8 Tyrant's Choice. He burned everyone out on turn 4 or 5.

Now, is that sweet? Yeah. But it made for some really not-fun draft games.

Wasn't Conspiracy supposed to be drafted in pods of 8 and then broken into two 4-player-free-for-all games? The Double Stroke / Tyrant's Choice strategy is pretty terrible if the table votes 'death' over 'torture'... I think you were doing it wrong. :tongue:

[Jamaican Zombie Legend]

This, plus the fact that they can print brand new cards in Conspiracy that go directly into the Eternal card pool without passing Go or collecting $200 (unless they're foil Japanese mythics or something).

Totally forgot about this, which makes this release all the better. They've actually been doing a decent job printing interesting, if not overly powerful, non-Blue cards in supplemental products. Maybe one will finally break through.

Very glad Wizards made a product for normal players this summer. Screw the Masters sets.

[Amon Amarth]

Conspiracy 1 was sweet and had good reprints. I'm sure we can expect more of the same from the second one. Good stuff.

[barcode]

I wonder how wotc will decide what to reprint in EMA and CNS2.

[Tokugawa]

I wonder how wotc will decide what to reprint in EMA and CNS2.

Scene 1: (non-RL)staple card XXXX is confirmed not included in EMA.

Scene 2: card XXXX's price skyrocketed.

Scene 3: rumor says card XXXX would be reprinted in CNS2.

[jrsthethird]

Man they really missed out on a sweet title. Announcing Conspiracy 2: The Electric Bugaloo!

Conspiracy 2: Electric Brago-loo

[joven]

A second eternal reprint set? (I don't care much about the few new cards that will be in that conspiracy X set.)
WotC just announced 3 sets in a row, plus that duel deck. I think that is a bit too much. They keep spamming that stuff out there so fast that you don't have time to collect or play.

[Barook]

A second eternal reprint set? (I don't care much about the few new cards that will be in that conspiracy X set.)
WotC just announced 3 sets in a row, plus that duel deck. I think that is a bit too much. They keep spamming that stuff out there so fast that you don't have time to collect or play.
I assume they figured out how to spread product between their different audiences more effectively. That would certainly explain two summer sets - EMA for the spikes, Bragaloo 2 for the more casual groups.

[joven]

I assume they figured out how to spread product between their different audiences more effectively. That would certainly explain two summer sets - EMA for the spikes, Bragaloo 2 for the more casual groups.

I think there are a lot of magic players out there that are into more than one or two formats. It is getting increasingly hard to keep up when you want to get somewhere in Legacy or Modern plus a bit of Standard and still collect cards for Highlander/Commander and other casual decks.

[Bobmans]

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-conspiracy-2

Set re-announced. The king is murdered. Set is not 221 cards, but 220.
Jedi mind tricks...

[GundamGuy]

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-conspiracy-2

Set re-announced. The king is murdered. Set is not 221 cards, but 220.
Jedi mind tricks...

I thought it was pretty funny.

About the different audience non-sense... Well that would make sense if they don't put any solid reprints or legacy caliber cards in Conspiracy 2... but somehow I think they want to sell those packs...

[Spam]

This gives me hope for Conspiracy 3: the adventures of Bayou Billy.
(The only set where they will say "fuck it" and reprint Bayou)

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[Ellomdian]

I think there are a lot of magic players out there that are into more than one or two formats. It is getting increasingly hard to keep up when you want to get somewhere in Legacy or Modern plus a bit of Standard and still collect cards for Highlander/Commander and other casual decks.

Back in the day (God I feel old...) you could go to your LGS and expect to find someone who wanted to play Type 2. You could ask if they had Extended, and not feel like an idiot, and everybody knew what Type 1 was (even if most people couldn't afford 300$ for a Lotus.) Now, seeing people playing Standard and asking if they have anything other than Commander is a crapshoot. If people aren't Testing or practicing for a Modern event, they don't play for fun, if you don't recognize them already they probably don't know what Legacy is.

The recent historical growth of the playerbase is HUGE, but I seriously have to wonder how many of they organically move into Modern like WotC likes to believe. I know people who have been playing Standard for 3 years who still couldn't hope to play modern without sinking a few hundred dollars into cards (at least before the Best Deck In Modern was a BFZ/OGW block deck...) and they don't seem to have much interest in playing with old cards.

TL;DR - I suspect WotC is trying to squeeze as much $$$ out of new players before they decide what they actually enjoy playing, and the easiest way to do that is with a new retail produce every 2-3 months. Your average Casual FNM'er is going to pick up a few packs of everything that comes out regardless of how good it is.

[Aggro_zombies]

I assume they figured out how to spread product between their different audiences more effectively. That would certainly explain two summer sets - EMA for the spikes, Bragaloo 2 for the more casual groups.
This comes out at the tail end of August, which means it'll drop after the halfway point of "SOI's Small Set" draft lifetime, about the time people start to get sick of drafting a format and want to do something else. EMA comes out in early June and is expensive and (likely) complicated, so it's kind of a niche thing for hardcore drafters and people who like to gamble. Aside from potential Eternal reprints, there's very little overlap in audience between the two - most hardcore drafters I know who liked Modern Masters did not like Conspiracy because of either competitive snobbery or a genuine dislike for multiplayer or CNS's draft fuckery.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Back in my days we've had two sets per year, all of them with (mostly) nice pictures. We were playing cards like Erhnam djinn and River Boa for years before getting tired of them. We also drank red wine and listened to Type O Negative or Hypocrisy. There was one base set each other year (less often than Hypocrisy album). We've spent more money on beer than on Magic, and man, that beer was cheap-ass cheap.
It was nice times.

[Dice_Box]

The set just lost a card, gained a name change and spoiled it's story.

Well played Wizards, well played.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-conspiracy-2

Edit:
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I wonder if what we are looking at is the back and forth set up of this sets theme. I am thinking after finding that little bit that he is likely in it and the story is him v Rose.

[thecrav]

This is a really neat idea. One little complaint I have is that I wish they'd named it something like Conspiracy 2Reign of Brago just so that we'd have something official and consistent to call it.

I'm sitting here laughing at the idea of like one casual who loves Brago, finds out about "Reign of Brago", never hears about Brago's death, and is super said when he starts cracking packs.

[Technics]

This is a really neat idea. One little complaint I have is that I wish they'd named it something like Conspiracy 2Reign of Brago just so that we'd have something official and consistent to call it.

I'm sitting here laughing at the idea of like one casual who loves Brago, finds out about "Reign of Brago", never hears about Brago's death, and is super said when he starts cracking packs.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-conspiracy-2

No more Brago... May he Rest in Peace

[Bobmans]

Anyone else find it curious how they end the page with Brienne of Tarth staring at the throne?

Like the Dutch always say:"Beter goed gejat, dan slecht bedacht.". Meaning that it is better to steal a good idea, rather then to come up with a new and terrible idea.
But i would like to believe that this Brienne character will be something like a 4-6 CMC Green and White bomb.

[bruizar]

Like the Dutch always say:"Beter goed gejat, dan slecht bedacht.". Meaning that it is better to steal a good idea, rather then to come up with a new and terrible idea.
But i would like to believe that this Brienne character will be something like a 4-6 CMC Green and White bomb.

I bet she fights like a man

[Bobmans]

I bet she fights like a man


She, no. He'd better be!

[MaximumC]

The set just lost a card, gained a name change and spoiled it's story.

Well played Wizards, well played.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-conspiracy-2

Edit:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/MYYPvTzLKmY52jzkuXz6uTfb91zhLdFtDCubVH4zCZc_8_lu6SvOwm7UXTjwEkh7MTz_iVXJKqV92Lx-fm5Jtk_bHIsw2Bj2djJvVw=w504-h292-nc

I wonder if what we are looking at is the back and forth set up of this sets theme. I am thinking after finding that little bit that he is likely in it and the story is him v Rose.

Oh God, that's too cute for words. I love the little touch of reducing the number of cards by one to suggest Brago just got killed (again?)

A++, whoever from marketing spent time on a joke that only we few who check DailyMTG every day would get. :)

[GenghisTom]

Back in my days we've had two sets per year, all of them with (mostly) nice pictures. We were playing cards like Erhnam djinn and River Boa for years before getting tired of them. We also drank red wine and listened to Type O Negative or Hypocrisy. There was one base set each other year (less often than Hypocrisy album). We've spent more money on beer than on Magic, and man, that beer was cheap-ass cheap.
It was nice times.

I still do this every Friday night. The only difference is it's called cube and the beer has been replaced by Cognac

[Barook]

First time, the gag was nice, but imho, it has overstayed its welcome (http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/conspiracy-take-the-crown).

[GenghisTom]

Do they think the set name matters that much?
'Conspiracy 2' would have been fine with me.

[iamajellydonut]

"Conspiracy 2: A Good Day to King or Queen or Kill Hard the Reckoning"

[bigwerdz]

Jelly should just be in charge of naming things.

[iamajellydonut]

Resident appellomancer (http://imgur.com/u23Zfa6) at your service.

[Dice_Box]

I wonder if what we are looking at is the back and forth set up of this sets theme. I am thinking after finding that little bit that he is likely in it and the story is him v Rose.I was mostly right.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-conspiracy-2?

[Richard Cheese]

Conspiracy 2: The Legend of Curly's Gold

[H]

So, spoilers start on the 15th of this month, but we get a peek at the new Planeswalker of the set.

Her profile. (http://magic.wizards.com/en/story/planeswalkers/kaya-ghost-assassin)

Her story. (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/laid-rest-2016-08-03)

Presumably the card art:

http://i.imgur.com/HVSkc47.jpg?1

Perhaps a :w::b: 'Walker? Her profile alludes to her being a "ghost-assassin" which certainly seems White and Black to me. If she is CMC 3 and doesn't suck that would certainly be interesting.

EDIT: Could someone rename this thread to "Conspiracy 2: Take the Crown" since that is now the name of the set?

[Dice_Box]

EDIT: Could someone rename this thread to "Conspiracy 2: Take the Crown" since that is now the name of the set?
Done.

[PirateKing]

Looks like Zoe from Firefly. Wonder if they drew "inspiration" like they did for Nissa, Worldwaker.

[Fox]

Looks more U/R to me :w::b: is usually a bit 'darker.' U/R seems to have the art market cornered on the urban rogue-types.

[H]

Looks more U/R to me :w::b: is usually a bit 'darker.' U/R seems to have the art market cornered on the urban rogue-types.

Sure, but the first Conpiracy set had Dack as a UR 'Walker. It seems a little silly to do another for this set. Doesn't mean they wont, but seems less likely.

[Richard Cheese]

What exactly happens when you assassinate a ghost? She doesn't even have a proton pack or a containment unit, so I'm assuming it just sits there and looking slightly more stabbed than it used to.

[Dice_Box]

Reading the story they can sometime leave behind a residue and sometimes leave nothing at all.

[H]

I didn't bother to read the story at all, I know better than that...

I think there is a chance she could be :w::u::b: a la the new Tamiyo. The problem, of course, if they follow that same formula is that she'd be a four mana Blue Planeswalker and you'd have to really be asking yourself why you aren't running Jace at that point.

[Ace/Homebrew]

What exactly happens when you assassinate a ghost? She doesn't even have a proton pack or a containment unit, so I'm assuming it just sits there and looking slightly more stabbed than it used to.

In a future block Nicol Bolas hires her to kill Ugin... again. :rolleyes:

[CptHaddock]

Looks like Kaya has been spoiled.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_RfLLcp8FCz.png

[Dice_Box]

Not a fan.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Not a fan.
Yeah... flavor fail. Her 0 ability is supposed to represent her sneaky assassinness? Took me a minute to figure out it is a way to reset her loyalty, but her minus abilities do not justify a 4 mana CMC.

[Richard Arschmann]

This card seems like it was made for Esper control decks to grind out tons of advantage in mirrors. However, she seems worse than JTMS at doing this. Kaya can generate tons of CA, but she's a four-drop that provides no meaningful win condition.

[Wilkin]

So she's an assassin that can't kill creatures (unless it a token). Bit of a fail. Draining life and drawing cards does fit a black white walker but at 4 mana it underwhelming

[Julian23]

She really doesn't look like Legacy material, but I really do love the design of having a self-resetting Walker that also protects itself while doing so.

[Finn]

She is for Commander, fellas.

[maharis]

I don't think she's necessarily good, but worth noting that she has some really interesting synergy with Liliana of the Veil.

Lili +1 into her -2 can be really disruptive.

You can Kaya 0-away one creature and use Lili to make opponent sacrifice another one. Let's say, for example, opponent has Stoneforge Mystic and True-Name Nemesis on the table. You 0 away the SFM and make them sac TNN. (Yes, they get to tutor again, I didn't say it was perfect. Though that's where your other disruption comes in.)

Also Containment Priest.

[Whitefaces]

I don't think she's necessarily good, but worth noting that she has some really interesting synergy with Liliana of the Veil.

Lili +1 into her -2 can be really disruptive.

You can Kaya 0-away one creature and use Lili to make opponent sacrifice another one. Let's say, for example, opponent has Stoneforge Mystic and True-Name Nemesis on the table. You 0 away the SFM and make them sac TNN. (Yes, they get to tutor again, I didn't say it was perfect. Though that's where your other disruption comes in.)

Also Containment Priest.

Oooor you could just run a Jace and Bounce the SfM then minus Lili :tongue:

Finn is right, it's not meant of Legacy. The blink effect is cool and a nice idea, the -1 could have been more imaginative though.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Oooor you could just run a Jace and Bounce the SfM then minus Lili
I was going to say the same thing, but :u::u: + :b::b: is much harder than :w::b: + :b::b:.


Finn is right, it's not meant of Legacy. The blink effect is cool and a nice idea, the -1 could have been more imaginative though.
I feel like making her cost :w::u::b: and start at 4 loyalty would at least make people give her a second look...

For multiplayer (EDH) she'd be more appealing if the life gain and card draw was equal to the total amounts your opponents lost.

[MaximumC]

You guys are insane. This card is bonkers good -- PROVIDED you are not playing Blue for some reason. (Blue has better options, most notably Jace). At a glance, it feels like the floor for this card's worth is Nahiri, the Harbinger. You trade Nahiri's ability to auto-win in 3 turns for a stupidly versatile, grindy walker who can come out and either hide or fog a bad thing for awhile, and when the coast is clear, take you on a Value Train ride to Value Town.

[iatee]

Yeah it's a very good card that doesn't slot into any very good deck.

[MaximumC]

Yeah it's a very good card that doesn't slot into any very good deck.

I'd look carefully at Death and Taxes and the white/shops/Eldrazi brews that are bubbling around in Vintage before I say there's no deck for this card, yet. I mean, you might be right, but this little lady is really absurd.

[Bosque]

Regardless of if it's legacy playable, I kind of like the different style of walker design here with no ultimate. All the modes seem useful in various board states, and I could see it played in a non blue deck, especially if you ramp it out a little earlier so the discard effect is more useful against faster decks.

[maraxusofkelds]

Are we reading the same card? This is a 4 drop with 5 toughness that can reset herself. You can chump block gofy angler and smashers with anything and it survives to reset itself. She has a reusable +2 card advantage ability for each turn, which is perfect for the decks that can play her because they lack card draw (nic fit and deathblade). If anything pushes deathblade or nic fit decks back into the meta, it would be this walker.

[Dice_Box]

So she's an assassin that can't kill creatures (unless it a token).
She is a ghost hunter. Most spirits are tokens normally.

[Vicar in a tutu]

She is a ghost hunter. Most spirits are tokens normally.
They are? Anyway, this card is a massive flavour fail. She killed Brago, the reigning (spectral) king. But Brago was not a token.

[hymnyou]

Royal Assassin is an assassin. This card needs to take some notes from the OG, it doesn't kill anything.

[Sidneyious]

Unless I'm missing something here but I don't see a way to +her.

[Dice_Box]

Unless I'm missing something here but I don't see a way to +her.
You don't, you reset her with her +0.

[Jain_Mor]

You can chump block gofy angler and smashers with anything and it survives to reset itself. she's even better, you don't need a chump blocker because they can't attack her cause she's exiled.

I wish her first ability said "up to one target Planeswalker or creature" then she'd be quite a bit more eternal playable, being able to reset people's jaces or lilianas to stop them from ultimate would be great, and using her to reset your own would be sweet

[Fox]

They are? Anyway, this card is a massive flavour fail. She killed Brago, the reigning (spectral) king. But Brago was not a token.
I mean Dack can't even steal an SDT. Freyalise was supposed to be the most powerful planeswalker in the lore. Teferi doesn't have phasing. There's more than enough blame to go around here. :tongue:

[Barook]

It's definitely an interesting design, but I find her hard to rate.

She can't really protect herself properly, which certainly is a drawback. On the flipside, she's instant +2 CA the moment she hits the table (or +1 if your opponent is hellbent). If she survives a turn, that's already +4 CA. That's really damn good.

What's ironic about her self-flickering is her synergy with the Gatewatch Oaths, but she herself isn't Standard-legal.


Also Containment Priest.
Now I want to play a deck with Flickerwisp, Eldrazi Displacer and her for maximum Flicker shenanigans.

It's noteworthy that her flickering also synergizes with the new Thalia.

[Sidneyious]

You don't, you reset her with her +0.
OK I did miss something, I thought the ultimate was -7 somehow.

The next upkeep kinda makes it a downer, it survives eot kills but all in all not a fan.

It gives draw to decks but most of them that want draw would rather have jace.

I'd rather have something else.

[Barook]

OK I did miss something, I thought the ultimate was -7 somehow.

The next upkeep kinda makes it a downer, it survives eot kills but all in all not a fan.

It gives draw to decks but most of them that want draw would rather have jace.

I'd rather have something else.
She's nonblue - comparing her with Jace as draw engine is like comparing apples with oranges.

If she's good enough, she probably fits the best into some kind of midrange shell that can also make good use of her flicker ability. It's a shame your creatures don't get haste after coming back, otherwise it would be hilarious with Thragtusk in Junk NicFit.

[Megadeus]

Avalanche Riders yo. Dega flicker. Let's live the fucking dream

[jrsthethird]

I mean Dack can't even steal an SDT. Freyalise was supposed to be the most powerful planeswalker in the lore. Teferi doesn't have phasing. There's more than enough blame to go around here. :tongue:

Don't forget "Urza" (Blind Seer) is just terrible.

[Sidneyious]

She's nonblue - comparing her with Jace as draw engine is like comparing apples with oranges.

If she's good enough, she probably fits the best into some kind of midrange shell that can also make good use of her flicker ability. It's a shame your creatures don't get haste after coming back, otherwise it would be hilarious with Thragtusk in Junk NicFit.
It can flicker, but next upkeep is bad and I lose life.
I drain for 2 that's worthwhile.
The ultimate is really the only thing worthwhile.

[Cire]

From the comments - this is good, unless you're running blue where Jace is better? What would that look like? Maybe a rock type deck?

4 SFM
4 DRS
4 Goyf

2 Ghost Killer
4 Liliana (veil)

4 STP
4 Thoughtseize
4 AD
1 Jitte
1 Batterskull

4 "Free"

24 Lands

Is Ghost Killer even worth it in the above versus just going GSZ, Elspeth or other common Rock/Azban type card choices?

I don't think so honestly

[TsumiBand]

You guys are nuts, this planeswalker is sweeeeeet

[Sidneyious]

From the comments - this is good, unless you're running blue where Jace is better? What would that look like? Maybe a rock type deck?

4 SFM
4 DRS
4 Goyf

2 Ghost Killer
4 Liliana (veil)

4 STP
4 Thoughtseize
4 AD
1 Jitte
1 Batterskull

4 "Free"

24 Lands

Is Ghost Killer even worth it in the above versus just going GSZ, Elspeth or other common Rock/Azban type card choices?

I don't think so honestly

No and I think 24 lands is to many, even if some are utility like wasteland, karakas ;and obviously cavern

It could use voice, but maybe something else, would 4 lotv be 1 to many? It could get by with 3 and add Elspeth or hell I like sorin loi because he's a good recruiting source for creatures(so is bitterblossom).

Why not add another sword if anything?

[maraxusofkelds]

She's nonblue - comparing her with Jace as draw engine is like comparing apples with oranges.

If she's good enough, she probably fits the best into some kind of midrange shell that can also make good use of her flicker ability. It's a shame your creatures don't get haste after coming back, otherwise it would be hilarious with Thragtusk in Junk NicFit.

Just cuz they don't have haste doesn't mean it isn't dirty. Thragtusk leaves a body and gain +5 life each time, and doing it on rhino is a free lightning helix to the face each time. Not to mention deathblade and nic fit both want card draws but don't have any so the -2 is super relevant.

[Cire]

No and I think 24 lands is to many, even if some are utility like wasteland, karakas ;and obviously cavern

It could use voice, but maybe something else, would 4 lotv be 1 to many? It could get by with 3 and add Elspeth or hell I like sorin loi because he's a good recruiting source for creatures(so is bitterblossom).

Why not add another sword if anything?

I mean it was a rough draft - I was just trying to show that Ghost Killer just seems like a worse choice compared to current Rock/Maverick/ETC trends.

Maybe it is better in a BW deck or a BWR deck than current choices, but it seems like BWG has better things to do, and BGU has jace and the color blue.

[Sidneyious]

Bwr like a 3 color burn deck of sorts?

[Barook]

Just cuz they don't have haste doesn't mean it isn't dirty. Thragtusk leaves a body and gain +5 life each time, and doing it on rhino is a free lightning helix to the face each time. Not to mention deathblade and nic fit both want card draws but don't have any so the -2 is super relevant.
Flickering Rhino sounds less sweet when you realize that you gain only 1 life and deal only 1 more damage, at the cost of not being able to swing with it the next turn. That's hardly better, if not worse, than her -1.

[Cire]

Bwr like a 3 color burn deck of sorts?

IDK? I'm not sure of any good Mardu deck in legacy. . .

Based off modern lists it would probably look like Planeswalker the deck since Nahari is in those colors. . . so?

4 liliana of the veil
4 Nahiri, the harbinger
2 Ghost Killer

4 STP
4 Thought Seize
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
1 Swords of Fire/Ice

4 SFM
4 MOM
4 DRS
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn

22 Lands?

I have no idea . . . that deck doesn't seem very good against the current meta although it does seem interesting - but even if it was decent . . . why run 2 more 4 CMC cards instead of more burn?

[rufus]

Maybe there's a Ravenous Rats/Eldrazi Displacer deck that can make good use of the Ghost Assassin.

[Megadeus]

IDK? I'm not sure of any good Mardu deck in legacy. . .

Based off modern lists it would probably look like Planeswalker the deck since Nahari is in those colors. . . so?

4 liliana of the veil
4 Nahiri, the harbinger
2 Ghost Killer

4 STP
4 Thought Seize
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
1 Swords of Fire/Ice

4 SFM
4 MOM
4 DRS
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn

22 Lands?

I have no idea . . . that deck doesn't seem very good against the current meta although it does seem interesting - but even if it was decent . . . why run 2 more 4 CMC cards instead of more burn?
I mean this isn't a burn deck. Mom seems terrible. Rather have souls to synergies with Lily and nahiri. Deck probably crushes miracles dick

[Barook]

Maybe there's a Ravenous Rats/Eldrazi Displacer deck that can make good use of the Ghost Assassin.
Don't you mean Chittering Rats for the lockdown? That sounds pretty evil with repeatable flickering. Throw in some Spirit of the Labyrinths or Chains and you pretty much have a lock.

[Cire]

I mean this isn't a burn deck. Mom seems terrible. Rather have souls to synergies with Lily and nahiri. Deck probably crushes miracles dick

Yeah . . . i don't know what a BRW burn deck with a 4 CMC PW would look like. . . why not just play burn? And yeah - that deck may have a good game against miracles. . . but is Ghost Killer needed? I feel like in the above deck you could replace it with something better. . .

[Sidneyious]

IDK? I'm not sure of any good Mardu deck in legacy. . .

Based off modern lists it would probably look like Planeswalker the deck since Nahari is in those colors. . . so?

4 liliana of the veil
4 Nahiri, the harbinger
2 Ghost Killer

4 STP
4 Thought Seize
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
1 Swords of Fire/Ice

4 SFM
4 MOM
4 DRS
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn

22 Lands?

I have no idea . . . that deck doesn't seem very good against the current meta although it does seem interesting - but even if it was decent . . . why run 2 more 4 CMC cards instead of more burn?
She would be modern legal?

[Lava Snacks]

She would be modern legal?

Yeah, he posted a list with Mother of Runes, Deathrite Shaman, Swords to Plowshares, Stoneforge Mystic, Umezawa's Jitte, and a not Standard-legal Conspiracy card. Must be Modern legal. Good question.

[Fox]

Not gonna lie, I can get behind a planeswalker that has a pseudo-plus ability that just gets itself exiled for good if Stifle is cast.

[Sidneyious]

Yeah, he posted a list with Mother of Runes, Deathrite Shaman, Swords to Plowshares, Stoneforge Mystic, Umezawa's Jitte, and a not Standard-legal Conspiracy card. Must be Modern legal. Good question.


IDK? I'm not sure of any good Mardu deck in legacy. . .

Based off modern lists it would probably look like Planeswalker the deck since Nahari is in those colors. . . so?

4 liliana of the veil
4 Nahiri, the harbinger
2 Ghost Killer

4 STP
4 Thought Seize
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Batterskull
1 Jitte
1 Swords of Fire/Ice

4 SFM
4 MOM
4 DRS
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn

22 Lands?

I have no idea . . . that deck doesn't seem very good against the current meta although it does seem interesting - but even if it was decent . . . why run 2 more 4 CMC cards instead of more burn?
The multiple.... must mean something I missed.

[Cire]

The multiple.... must mean something I missed.

huh? :confused:

[Vicar in a tutu]

http://i.imgur.com/3br194T.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ENAucJL.png

I have no idea if this is good or not. The colour combination is not known to be good in legacy, but it's really interesting that this brand new mechanic - monarch - can be used in legacy and that it requires creatures (not spells) to interact with it. The dream would be to drop Marchesa and swing to kill a jace.

[Ace/Homebrew]

http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_JBDcoeGqnh.png

Meh... Council's Judgment still requires that the choice be a card the caster does not control. You can't even change the removed card to an excess land.

[Whitefaces]

'At the beginning your upkeep'

Need to wait for an official source to see if this is real.

[Barook]

http://i.imgur.com/3br194T.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ENAucJL.png

I have no idea if this is good or not. The colour combination is not known to be good in legacy, but it's really interesting that this brand new mechanic - monarch - can be used in legacy and that it requires creatures (not spells) to interact with it. The dream would be to drop Marchesa and swing to kill a jace.
Shouldn't it be "At the beginning of your end step"? On the Monarch token, the key piece of the set, no less? :really:

Not a fan of the Monarch thing. It was confusing as hell until I saw the token here on the Source. This mechanic screams "terrible" all around.

Edit: Lol, rare reprint:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp6NRqmWAAAkSMN.jpg

[jam3sbob]

'At the beginning your upkeep'

Need to wait for an official source to see if this is real.

Looks like somebody had one job and they didn't do it :laugh:

[Whitefaces]

Looks like somebody had one job and they didn't do it :laugh:

Hah, yeah. I just checked the site, it's what they've posted!

[rufus]

...
Meh... Council's Judgment still requires that the choice be a card the caster does not control. You can't even change the removed card to an excess land.

Probably not worth, but you can use it to get an 'extra target' on council's judgement or turn Coercive Portal into a sweeper.

[maharis]

OK, so the way this works is (for example) Marchesa enters the battlefield and you immediately get the Monarch emblem.

Calling it an emblem is important. That communicates the fact that if Marchesa is removed, you are still the monarch. The only way to stop being the Monarch is if a creature deals combat damage to you.

I actually think this is quite interesting. The first card that comes to mind is Glacial Chasm but there's also Moat, Propaganda effects, wraths, etc. etc. Being able to draw two cards a turn for free is probably good.

[square_two]

OK, so the way this works is (for example) Marchesa enters the battlefield and you immediately get the Monarch emblem.

Calling it an emblem is important. That communicates the fact that if Marchesa is removed, you are still the monarch. The only way to stop being the Monarch is if a creature deals combat damage to you.

I actually think this is quite interesting. The first card that comes to mind is Glacial Chasm but there's also Moat, Propaganda effects, wraths, etc. etc. Being able to draw two cards a turn for free is probably good.

I'm curious to see the full spoiler for all cards that grant Monarch. Crossing my fingers for a GSZ-able creature that grants it upon ETB :rolleyes:

[Vicar in a tutu]

'At the beginning your upkeep'

Need to wait for an official source to see if this is real.
The images did come from an official source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/its-another-conspiracy-2016-08-15?

[Lemnear]

I'm curious to see the full spoiler for all cards that grant Monarch. Crossing my fingers for a GSZ-able creature that grants it upon ETB :rolleyes:

I can totally see more 3c Legends with that mechanic

[H]

The images did come from an official source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/its-another-conspiracy-2016-08-15?

Hopefully it's just a mock-up error... :rolleyes:

[Dice_Box]

Hopefully it's just a mock-up error... :rolleyes:
No, its not. This info has been known for a few weeks. A Pre release pack going to one of the stores holding an early event was cracked open and the details of the system put online. If you go to a Conspiracy launch you actually get given a crown. So you can use that to show who is the King/Queen if you so choose.

[Cire]

I'm curious to see the full spoiler for all cards that grant Monarch. Crossing my fingers for a GSZ-able creature that grants it upon ETB :rolleyes:


Here's two more - I think it's going to be WBR focused. . . .

http://i.imgur.com/5aQLxKb.png
http://i.imgur.com/X3l5CxB.png

---

Edit also a new mechanic which while not powerful actually sounds fun and should be evergreen IMO

http://i.imgur.com/mOrYjur.png

[maharis]

If you go to a Conspiracy launch you actually get given a crown. So you can use that to show who is the King/Queen if you so choose.

Now all I can think about is getting this hat and making it work in legacy so the deck can be called "King Hat"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yEU2gK4PkU

[Barook]

The Monarch mechanic at least explains the "Take the crown" title, considering we're playing a game of "Trap the Cap".

I assume you can't become the Monarch more than once, e.g. when you flicker Queen Marchesa?

[square_two]

Now all I can think about is getting this hat and making it work in legacy so the deck can be called "King Hat"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yEU2gK4PkU

I'd just bring a Burger King crown with me and genuinely offer it to the opponent to wear if they take the Monarch from me (of course, I'd be wearing it proudly as soon as I grab the token out of my deckbox).

[Vicar in a tutu]

The Monarch mechanic at least explains the "Take the crown" title, considering we're playing a game of "Trap the Cap".

I assume you can't become the Monarch more than once, e.g. when you flicker Queen Marchesa?
I don't think so. But it's not bad to bounce her (Karakas?). You regain the throne when you cast her and she has haste.

[Barook]

I'd just bring a Burger King crown with me and genuinely offer it to the opponent to wear if they take the Monarch from me (of course, I'd be wearing it proudly as soon as I grab the token out of my deckbox).
That sounds so much better than a shitty token with a grammar mistake.

If it wasn't for the terrible color combination, then Queen Marchesa might be an okay anti-control card. Can kill Jace and draws you alot of extra cards since control is light on combat damage.

[H]

No, its not. This info has been known for a few weeks. A Pre release pack going to one of the stores holding an early event was cracked open and the details of the system put online. If you go to a Conspiracy launch you actually get given a crown. So you can use that to show who is the King/Queen if you so choose.

I was talking about the typo on the Emblem, did someone post a picture of a real paper one lacking the word "of" on it?

Burger King crown giveaways are whatever.

[Cire]

That sounds so much better than a shitty token with a grammar mistake.

If it wasn't for the terrible color combination, then Queen Marchesa might be an okay anti-control card. Can kill Jace and draws you alot of extra cards since control is light on combat damage.

Kinda curious what the cost of the following card would have to be for Monarch to be a Legacy worth mechanic:

X
Creature - Whatever
When ~ ETB you become the Monarch
1/1

I think a WB card would be pretty playable?

[MaximumC]

Kinda curious what the cost of the following card would have to be for Monarch to be a Legacy worth mechanic:

X
Creature - Whatever
When ~ ETB you become the Monarch
1/1

I think a WB card would be pretty playable?

Yeah, I think this is the way to look at it. The Emblem is a slightly different take on creatures that are card advantage engines. On the one hand, you keep drawing cards if you lose your hat. On the other hand, you can lose your hat even if you keep your creature. It's kind of like a draw engine with a Planeswalker "disadvantage;" regular ol' creature combat can stop your fun. So, this kind of draw engine is stronger against a control deck like Miracles, worse against aggro decks, and laughably bad against Delver and other flying dork decks.

I feel like these different ways of drawing are probably roughly the same as far as raw power-level goes, so I hope they print cards that match Legacy staple draw engines using this effect. "Monarch" Bob doesn't strike me as necessarily stronger than normal Bob, just different.

You could even imagine a deck using a cheap Monarch creature and bounce effects to maintain the effect if necessary. (P.S. Internal set synergy with Kaya, Ghost Assassin ahoy!)

[Lemnear]

Kinda curious what the cost of the following card would have to be for Monarch to be a Legacy worth mechanic:

X
Creature - Whatever
When ~ ETB you become the Monarch
1/1

I think a WB card would be pretty playable?

Its an extra draw mechanic which requires you to deal combat damage to become Monarch, which means that Delver decks would kill for a playable card. Its also a nice mechanic against control decks like Miracles or Lands and to an extend against combo if you can keep them at bay.

The main issue is that the extra draw ability is really strong, so I doubt we will see any card in Legacy's cmc range with Monarch.

[Barook]

The main issue is that the extra draw ability is really strong, so I doubt we will see any card in Legacy's cmc range with Monarch.
Pretty much this. CA cards start at 3 CMC normally nowadays. I wouldn't hold my breath.

On a different note: Do we get a new B&R announcement with this set, considering they have to put another shitton of Conspiracies on the list again? :rolleyes:

[Lemnear]

Pretty much this. CA cards start at 3 CMC normally nowadays. I wouldn't hold my breath.

On a different note: Do we get a new B&R announcement with this set, considering they have to put another shitton of Conspiracies on the list again? :rolleyes:

I imagine to have read that there are no Conspiracies in this set. Am I mistaken?

Edit: I am. Will be a banlist update then

[Cire]

http://i.imgur.com/xzTc4om.jpg

Btw . . . this is Legacy Legal right? Isn't it just a 2BB 5/4 with flying with no drawback whatsoever :eyebrow:

[Lemnear]

http://i.imgur.com/xzTc4om.jpg

Btw . . . this is Legacy Legal right? Isn't it just a 2BB 5/4 with flying with no drawback whatsoever :eyebrow:

Jup.

[Barook]

http://i.imgur.com/xzTc4om.jpg

Btw . . . this is Legacy Legal right? Isn't it just a 2BB 5/4 with flying with no drawback whatsoever :eyebrow:
AD-immune and bolt-proof is always good, plus it trumps Delvers. But in what shell would it fit?

[H]

Btw . . . this is Legacy Legal right? Isn't it just a 2BB 5/4 with flying with no drawback whatsoever :eyebrow:

Demon Stompy, here we come!

[Dice_Box]

http://puu.sh/qCbvK/bd1bc6b992.jpg
List update incoming. So much for a short list.

[Cire]

Pretty much this. CA cards start at 3 CMC normally nowadays. I wouldn't hold my breath.


One thing to consider is that against control like miracles and combo, the risk of your opponent gaining a card are minimal since they don't go to the combat zone until they are in control already. So against those decks even at 3CMC a potential card might be worth it since it draws cards at the end step not at the beggining of the upkeep, meaning that on casting it on turn 3 will give you the same CA as castinga bob turn 2. Of course there is a difference between playing a CA engine turn 2 or 3, but just in terms of CA generated it would be the same. At 2 CMC, it would actually generate more CA than BOB (assuming no one else dealt combat damage)


Demon Stompy, here we come!

Pre Eldrazi I would've been so excited for this card :rolleyes:

[Lava Snacks]

Come on Wizards, just put "All cards of Conspiracy type" on the banned list, and "All ante cards" too if you want. It's not like every old frame and non-Standard card is on the Modern banned list.

[H]

List update incoming. So much for a short list.

There is no reason why Wizards can't just make a rule that states all cards with Type: Conspiracy are not legal for Constructed and not have to add them to the list, except pure shortsightedness.

[rufus]

...
Btw . . . this is Legacy Legal right? Isn't it just a 2BB 5/4 with flying with no drawback whatsoever :eyebrow:


Tombstalker is better, and nobody plays that anymore.

[Cire]

Tombstalker is better, and nobody plays that anymore.

Really, it was a card that would have been perfect for Demon Stompy, but why run a stompy deck that isn't Eldrazi?

[Dice_Box]

Really, it was a card that would have been perfect for Demon Stompy, but why run a stompy deck that isn't Eldrazi?

Bloodmoon?

[rufus]

I misread arcane savant for a second, and thought it exiled a card from your deck. That would have been silly or gamebreaking.

[Lemnear]

I misread arcane savant for a second, and thought it exiled a card from your deck. That would have been silly or gamebreaking.

The later. I myself have dreamed about three minutes about what if this card works for constructed like a Wish aka works for sideboard cards ... 3uu Enter the Infinite? Sign me up? Lol.

[TsumiBand]

Tombstalker is better, and nobody plays that anymore.

I feel like it isn't objectively better though, I mean -- one could Ritual out Archdemon of Paliano fairly quickly where a Tombstalker would need to wait for your graveyard to pile up. It's more of a Rakdos-y sort of all-in thing where you're not just trying to stick something in the late game. All things considered it's actually a fair sight fatter than most early game minions if we're talking about Rituals to poop it out early, and it has no drawback whatsoever in a Constructed format.

[Lemnear]

I feel like it isn't objectively better though, I mean -- one could Ritual out Archdemon of Paliano fairly quickly where a Tombstalker would need to wait for your graveyard to pile up. It's more of a Rakdos-y sort of all-in thing where you're not just trying to stick something in the late game. All things considered it's actually a fair sight fatter than most early game minions if we're talking about Rituals to poop it out early, and it has no drawback whatsoever in a Constructed format.

How is a 4cc 5/4 flying any relevant? Plague Sliver and friends are around for aeons

[TsumiBand]

How is a 4cc 5/4 flying any relevant? Plague Sliver and friends are around for aeons

I'm not sure why Plague Sliver is the go-to for comparison, but all right? Plague Sliver doesn't have evasion by itself and multiple Plague Slivers would be real bad.

I mean nobody says it was *great* just it's not strictly worse than Tombstalker is all. And as mentioned above there's always dumb stuff like Blood Moon, or like... haha Contamination or whatever. I dunno.

I mean if we're only supposed to discuss the relative strength of cards that matter we have to stop posting Agendas and Conspiracies too, right

[Begle1]

http://i.imgur.com/xzTc4om.jpg

Btw . . . this is Legacy Legal right? Isn't it just a 2BB 5/4 with flying with no drawback whatsoever :eyebrow:

This is a hilarious, genius card. The earlier you take it, the higher quality of picks you'll be missing. I love it.

Legacy-playable? Eh, it's fighting Abyssal Persecutor, Grinning Demon, Pitiless Horde, Juzam Djinn, and many others for that spot. There might be a deck that it fits like a glove, that probably won't be a very good deck though.

[Lemnear]

This set looks fun for Cube. Maybe its finally time to invite myself to BigUps Cube draft.

[rufus]

The later. I myself have dreamed about three minutes about what if this card works for constructed like a Wish aka works for sideboard cards ... 3uu Enter the Infinite? Sign me up? Lol.

Not that it works, but Heat Shimmer would make infinite hasty guys, and you can exile Tendrils of Agony or something off a second one as a backup.

[MaximumC]

Jup.

Juzam Djinn look'n worse and worse every day. Even so, this is not terribly above curve for Black and I don't expect to see much impact from the ol' boy.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&color=+[B]&cmc=+=[4]&power=+=[5]

Butcher of the Horde is a stronger card, albiet harder to cast, and Obliterator is pseudo-evasive already, so....


I misread arcane savant for a second, and thought it exiled a card from your deck. That would have been silly or gamebreaking.

I think you mean "That would have been Legacy playable."

[rufus]

...
I think you mean "That would have been Legacy playable."

Legacy playable, and probably better in vintage.

[aluisiocsantos]

This is a hilarious, genius card. The earlier you take it, the higher quality of picks you'll be missing. I love it.

Legacy-playable? Eh, it's fighting Abyssal Persecutor, Grinning Demon, Pitiless Horde, Juzam Djinn, and many others for that spot. There might be a deck that it fits like a glove, that probably won't be a very good deck though.

you can also play Tombstalker for less mana.

[Barook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp7PRLXWgAAJAXl.png

More voting crap.

[Scott]

This fucking year, I can't escape elections.

[square_two]

Huzzah!

Link (https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/765259265040904193)

Thorn of the Black Rose - 3B
Creature - Human Assassin
Deathtouch
When ~ ETB, you become the monarch.
1/3

My human-tribal version of Braids Stax is gonna love this. I won't have to run so many Bobs and then die from his trigger quite as often.

[Zombie]

Come on Wizards, just put "All cards of Conspiracy type" on the banned list, and "All ante cards" too if you want. It's not like every old frame and non-Standard card is on the Modern banned list.

Just as a small nitpick, Modern is defined as a Constructed format: It is defined by stating what sets are legal in the first place, much like Standard or old Extended. It just doesn't rotate. Eternal formats automatically allow blackborder prints unless banned.

[Richard Cheese]

This fucking year, I can't escape elections.

Election 2016 - :r::w::u:
Enchantment
When Election 2016 enters the battlefield, all players compare net worth. All players except the player with the highest net worth get an emblem with "Your votes do not count". This emblem is not lost or destroyed between games or rounds.

[Dice_Box]

https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/4b0e5c0a-e4e3-4386-9b41-bf6355d1cfaf/BurningWishCN2.png

[Lemnear]

https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/4b0e5c0a-e4e3-4386-9b41-bf6355d1cfaf/BurningWishCN2.png

All what brings down card cost is fine in my eyes. Would have prefered Infernal Tutor though as Wish was reprinted as Judge Promo already

[Spam]

I just saw the new art for inquisition. Someone needs to get fired...

[Dice_Box]

They were planning to use it in one of the standard sets too... then it worked out to be just too broken in Innistrad. So they cut it, had time to work on it, kept the art as was and... I guess no one will bitch because every fucker wants the card?

[Spam]

I guess high prices makes horrible arts easy to swallow.
Also, at rare!? Guess who's paying attention to the secondary market.

[rufus]

...
Also, at rare!? Guess who's paying attention to the secondary market.

When all the deck are mono-chase rare, they probably sell more packs.

[Gheizen64]

http://i.imgur.com/Y0q1XuH.jpg

Unplayable at 5 mana, but damn at the value. Edict + 4/2 creature + Monarch effect (draw at least 1). Depending on how actually good monarch effects are in eternal i could see it being played in Vintage possibly, as mana is less of an issue there.

[Vicar in a tutu]

http://i.imgur.com/Y0q1XuH.jpg

Unplayable at 5 mana, but damn at the value. Edict + 4/2 creature + Monarch effect (draw at least 1). Depending on how actually good monarch effects are in eternal i could see it being played in Vintage possibly, as mana is less of an issue there.
[Insert obligatory Nic Fit-reference here]

[BenBleiweiss]

Special mtgthesource tip: You're going to want to be tuned into SCG at 11am EST today. That is all.

[Dice_Box]

Special mtgthesource tip: You're going to want to be tuned into SCG at 11am EST today. That is all.

The channel or the site?

[Gheizen64]

[Insert obligatory Nic Fit-reference here]

It can even target yourself in a pinch to sacrifice Explorer!

[BenBleiweiss]

The channel or the site?

The site of course :)

[Lemnear]

The site of course :)

Thanks for the hint, Ben

[Dice_Box]

The site of course :)

Sweet, now I am really intersted. Chears.

[CptHaddock]

Special mtgthesource tip: You're going to want to be tuned into SCG at 11am EST today. That is all.

I hope it's a land with these abilities:

{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool.

{1}, {T}: Tap target land.

:tongue:

[Mr Miagi]

omg, omg, omg they gonna abolish the reserved list, I can feel it.

Ok, got hyped a bit to much :laugh: But now I'm genuinely curious about the announcment :smile:

[Dice_Box]

I hope it's a land with these abilities:

{T}: Add {C} to your mana pool.

{1}, {T}: Tap target land.

:tongue:

A man can dream. Though how the fuck Rishadan could manage to cross the Blind Eternities I will never know.

[H]

A man can dream. Though how the fuck Rishadan could manage to cross the Blind Eternities I will never know.

Rode in the back seat with Kozilek?

[Mr Miagi]

Hmm, we could even see an imeprial recruiter.. you know, imperial, monarch, crown and all that stuff..?

[kirkusjones]

Rode in the back seat with Kozilek?

Who's driving?

[Dice_Box]

Hmm, we could even see an imeprial recruiter.. you know, imperial, monarch, crown and all that stuff..?

Oh I like that, I will lose a ton of cash though... From cards I had no intention of selling.

[Barook]

Why are people expecting a reprint from this announcement?

Seems more likely that we get a new card that has a high chance to be Legacy/Eternal-playable.

http://i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.gif

[Dice_Box]

Its most likely a reprint. Ben would come here and say that because he is sure it will create a buzz.

[iatee]

A $ reprint is coming because that's a good way to sell packs of otherwise crappy casual sets.

[Dice_Box]

Port to me makes the most sense to me. It is the one big DnT card yet to be reprinted and Wizards basicly reprinted that deck in EMA.

[kirkusjones]

Fingers crossed for recruiter. Though port would be great too. I'm going to go off the rails on the good ole crazy train and say imperial seal.

[Barook]

Port to me makes the most sense to me. It is the one big DnT card yet to be reprinted and Wizards basicly reprinted that deck in EMA.
And then the MTGO team proceeds not to reprint it in the Cube prize packs this year, similiar to Misdirection last year. :rolleyes:

[BenBleiweiss]

Fingers crossed for recruiter. Though port would be great too. I'm going to go off the rails on the good ole crazy train and say imperial seal.

I wouldn't come here to make this post for a card that's banned in Legacy, fwiw.

[Barook]

I wouldn't come here to make this post for a card that's banned in Legacy, fwiw.
Is it a reprint or a new card you're going to preview?

[Dice_Box]

Is it a reprint or a new card you're going to preview?

He can't answer that.

[Whitefaces]

He can't answer that.

But I can!

I don't know.

[Vicar in a tutu]

omg, omg, omg they gonna abolish the reserved list, I can feel it.

Ok, got hyped a bit to much :laugh: But now I'm genuinely curious about the announcment :smile:
If Wizards were abolishing the reserved list, they would make the announcement on their own site. It would be huge. This is most likely either a hot reprint (maybe Imperial Recruiter or Rishadan Port), or a new, pushed card. Honestly, I hope it's a new card. Pushed, non-blue with the monarch mechanic.

[Dice_Box]

If it is please let it be white. DnT is not strong enough yet.

[Whitefaces]

Honestly, I hope it's a new card. Pushed, non-blue with the monarch mechanic.

That would be sweet, I feel like it's a reprint though. Port, or Flusterstorm perhaps.

[Barook]

If it is please let it be white. DnT is not strong enough yet.
If it's white and good, chances are Miracles absorbs it anyway to even further its lead in the format. :rolleyes:

And RW continues to be the THE garbage color combination of MtG - no suprises here:

http://mythicspoiler.com/cn2/cards/adrianacaptainoftheguard.jpg

[Cire]

That would be sweet, I feel like it's a reprint though. Port, or Flusterstorm perhaps.

I'm hoping for a Good 3cmc or lower Monarch card. :rolleyes:

[Dice_Box]

Thats a good Commander though. I expect I will face her down some time over the next 6 months.

[Ace/Homebrew]

http://static.starcitygames.com/www/images/article/16August2016Preview01.png

[Dice_Box]

http://static.starcitygames.com/www/images/article/16August2016Preview01.png

Ha. I got Aced.

[Lemnear]

http://static.starcitygames.com/www/images/article/16August2016Preview01.png

Mother of God!

[Zombie]

brb selling elves.

[Cire]

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

WOW!

[Dice_Box]

brb selling elves.
HAHAHAHAHAHA....

I just woke the house.

[Cambriel]

Mother of God!

Can't fetch Painter, can't fetch Dream Stalker.

WotC just gave us a Recruiter that doesn't work in any decks that want Recruiter.

[Lemnear]

Can't fetch Painter, can't fetch Dream Stalker.

WotC just gave us a Recruiter that doesn't work in any decks that want Recruiter.

Go home you're drunk

[CptHaddock]

Can't fetch Painter, can't fetch Dream Stalker.

WotC just gave us a Recruiter that doesn't work in any decks that want Recruiter.

Yeah obviously an unplayable card doesn't go into <insert fringe deck here>.

[Barook]

A white Imperial Recruiter? Holy shit, that's something that was long overdue! But then I read it again and realized it said 2 toughness, which makes it even better, as it can fetch Flickerwisp!

[Ace/Homebrew]

So, card obviously has applications in D&T. Does this also give Aluren new options? Can they cut colors or otherwise streamline the combo?

[Cambriel]

Yeah obviously an unplayable card doesn't go into <insert fringe deck here>.

This response makes no sense. There are two decks that play Imperial Recruiter consistently. It's not a function of scarcity. The ability only matters in those two decks. You occasionally find it in D&T splashing red, which this will replace just fine. I'd argue that's much more a fringe deck than Painter or Recruiter though, relative to the normal version of D&T.

Honestly, why even get excited about a Recruiter-alike if you're not thinking about the decks that care about it?

[BenBleiweiss]

A white Imperial Recruiter? Holy shit, that's something that was long overdue! But then I read it again and realized it said 2 toughness, which makes it even better, as it can fetch Flickerwisp!

And V. Clique
and TNN

[MasterBlaster]

Can't fetch Painter, can't fetch Dream Stalker.

WotC just gave us a Recruiter that doesn't work in any decks that want Recruiter.

Recruiter was used in RW D&T. This new recruiter can fetch Thalia 2.0 which the old recruiter couldn't.

[Dice_Box]

This thing is just fucking nuts. It is a White Human and Soldier that Tutors. This is going to cause me headaches in Vintage and I am sure I will see this fucker in Legacy no small amount. I do not care that it does not fit in a few decks here and there, its a gift and I will not turn it down. Really, thank you Wizards. This thing is great.

[Cire]

Can't fetch Painter, can't fetch Dream Stalker.

WotC just gave us a Recruiter that doesn't work in any decks that want Recruiter.

I expect it to go into D&T - it can search up both Thalia's, Flickerwisp. . . etc. Also maybe a new combo deck will find out that it can use this card. Maybe a new type of Aluren even?

[Cambriel]

I expect it to go into D&T - it can search up both Thalia's, Flickerwisp. . . etc. Also maybe a new combo deck will find out that it can use this card. Maybe a new type of Aluren even?

Aluren can go back to using Man-o-war, or something like that. It does find everything except Dream Stalker.

[Dice_Box]

http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MTG/PLS/en/nonfoil/ArcticMerfolk.jpg
It was suggested in the SCG post.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Awesome!

[Megadeus]

If a deck spawns with 4 of these and 4 true names I'm selling out

[HSCK]

I was just thinking of Bant with this, it's ability to get TNN or Knight or Clique could be insane.

[Lemnear]

If a deck spawns with 4 of these and 4 true names I'm selling out

In before: Blue & Taxes - Thalias, True-Names & Tutors Edition

[Mr Miagi]

Disapointed. :frown:

Card is not all that bad, but it's no imperial recruiter. Who in their right mind would play this in DnT? It's to slow to be tutoring things left and right..

[Aggro_zombies]

Wow, shit, good card is good. It fetches both Thalias, Stoneforge, Flickerwisp, TNN, Clique, Mom, and other things I'm sure I'm forgetting. Decent for Esper Stoneblade if that deck is still a thing, good in Death and Taxes, and possibly a combo enabler of some stripe.

[Turboninja]

You can also get Containment Priest, Ethersworn Canonist, Meddling Mage, etc. This card is preordered at 20$, what do you guys think?

[Dice_Box]

You can also get Containment Priest, Ethersworn Canonist, Meddling Mage, etc. This card is preordered at 20$, what do you guys think?

It is a rare, so I think that price will drop. I am not sure.

[Zombie]

Disapointed. :frown:

Card is not all that bad, but it's no imperial recruiter. Who in their right mind would play this in DnT? It's to slow to be tutoring things left and right..

It's stronger than Recruiter. Finds Flickerwisp among other things.

[workingdude]

You can also get Containment Priest, Ethersworn Canonist, Meddling Mage, etc. This card is preordered at 20$, what do you guys think?

Probably just under $20, closer to $15. It's implications are limited in Legacy, unless a new deck spawns. D&T won't play more than a couple, if any at all, with how tight the list is already. It's EDH implications are decent, which will probably prop the card up long term.

[rufus]

Can't fetch Painter, can't fetch Dream Stalker.

WotC just gave us a Recruiter that doesn't work in any decks that want Recruiter.

Well, it cross-chains with Recruiter, so if you play both you can go off with Food Chain.

It finds Cavern Harpy,Man-o-War, and Parasitic Strix in Aluren.

[Dice_Box]

Its at 15 now.

[Cire]

If a deck spawns with 4 of these and 4 true names I'm selling out

LMAO. Idk about 4 TNN but. . . .

The Conspiracy

4 Recruiter of the Guard
4 Delver
2 SFM
1 Monastery Swiftspear
1 True-Name Nemesis
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Shriekmaw

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
4 Stifle
2 Ponder
2 Thoughtseize
4 Swords to Plowshare

1 Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

4 Wasteland
15 Lands

[Ace/Homebrew]

And RW continues to be the THE garbage color combination of MtG - no suprises here:

http://mythicspoiler.com/cn2/cards/adrianacaptainoftheguard.jpg
What's with the loin cloth? :eyebrow:

[Lemnear]

Probably just under $20, closer to $15. It's implications are limited in Legacy, unless a new deck spawns. D&T won't play more than a couple, if any at all, with how tight the list is already. It's EDH implications are decent, which will probably prop the card up long term.

Eh? It's a pure cardadvantage Engine with Flickerwisp to spawn 3/1 fliers. Tutors Silverbullets like Mangara on top

[iatee]

Disapointed. :frown:

Card is not all that bad, but it's no imperial recruiter. Who in their right mind would play this in DnT? It's to slow to be tutoring things left and right..

Literally every DnT deck will play this card.

[maharis]

http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MTG/PLS/en/nonfoil/ArcticMerfolk.jpg
It was suggested in the SCG post.

Cute, but I don't get the appeal of tutor for bear so you can tutor for something else.

There is a ton of return-to-hand shenanigans to be had of course.


If a deck spawns with 4 of these and 4 true names I'm selling out

That would be annoying, but I really don't think any deck that wants 4 TNN also wants 4 of these unless you splash it into Merfolk so you can grab a lord or TNN as you need.

This card is unquestionably good but it will have to find a deck.

More and more I see Maverick going in the 8-dork direction, cutting GSZ and playing something like this to grab Knight, either Thalia, Scooze, etc. etc.

Edit: Holy shit this gets Shriekmaw?? (@Cire) That seems interesting for sure.

[Lemnear]

White Recruiter gives D&T protection from Terminus lololol

[Cire]

Edit: Holy shit this gets Shriekmaw?? (@Cire) That seems interesting for sure.

Haha yes it does :laugh:

[Cambriel]

Cute, but I don't get the appeal of tutor for bear so you can tutor for something else.

There is a ton of return-to-hand shenanigans to be had of course.


That's how Aluren works. It used Dreamstalker previously, since it was harder to kill. You need a blue card to bounce for Harpy.

Aluren seems like it could probably adapt for this. I'm still irritated as hell that it doesn't support Painter, but oh well. Can't have everything.

[Barook]

White Recruiter gives D&T protection from Terminus lololol
A single one can rebuild an army due to grab Flickerwisp --> flicker it --> grab another Flickerwisp --> etc.

Imperial Recruiter was already good against Miracles by chaining 1/1s. This one can chain 3/1 flyers...

[Lemnear]

A single one can rebuild an army due to grab Flickerwisp --> flicker it --> grab another Flickerwisp --> etc.

Imperial Recruiter was already good against Miracles by chaining 1/1s. This one can chain 3/1 flyers...

Jup. Thats what I was hinting at

[Cire]

Here is a short list of random cards that new recruiter can get, that the old recruiter couldn't get, 3 CMC or below (plus evoke type cards) that may be interesting:


Boon Satyr
Matter Reshaper
Spirit of the Labyrinth
Tireless Tracker
Troll Ascetic
True-Name Nemesis
Shriekmaw
Vendilion Clique
Flickerwisp
Kitchen Finks
Asylum Visitor
Bloodbraid Elf
Spitebellows

[maharis]

That's how Aluren works. It used Dreamstalker previously, since it was harder to kill. You need a blue card to bounce for Harpy.

Aluren seems like it could probably adapt for this. I'm still irritated as hell that it doesn't support Painter, but oh well. Can't have everything.

Ok I just did a quick check of replacements for Dream Stalker and I think they exist. (Shrieking Drake, Keymaster Rogue [nm 4 cmc]). Does the deck function that way other than getting these guys Bolted with the ability on the stack?

[Barook]

Since it doesn't force red like Imperial does, it also opens up other ways to splash:


Green has access to Noble Hierarch to power it out faster. KotR and Pridemage are the most important targets. Reclamation Sage is also nice to have in the board, as is Gaddock Teeg somewhere in the 75.

Blue has V. Clique, TNN (both very blue heavy), Meddling Mage, Geist of Saint Traft.

Black has Bob, Tidehollow Sculler and Orzhov Pontiff. It also grabs Shriekmaw or those 3/1 all players sac a creature Zombies for :2::b:.

[Aggro_zombies]

Spirit of the Labyrinth is an interesting one, I think. Now you don't need Enlightened Tutor to find your bad-in-multiples silver bullet, but you can side in Tutors and/or extra copies if you really want it.

This can also find Notion Thief, though that's less good since Thief's main value is in the gotcha.

[Dice_Box]

Not sure how useful a 3 CMC tutor would be though for finding your Storm hate.

[Cire]

@Barook. . . yeah - looking at the above list I made, other than Shiekmaw, Flickerwisp, TNN and Clique (maybe Spirit), there aren't that many great new targets . . . . I mean those 4/5 cards may be enough to make this card worth it, but the true stregnth of this card is that it opens up tutoring for previous targets in non-red decks.

[Cambriel]

Ok I just did a quick check of replacements for Dream Stalker and I think they exist. (Shrieking Drake, Keymaster Rogue). Does the deck function that way other than getting these guys Bolted with the ability on the stack?

There are replacements, sure. Being Bolted wasn't really the issue. The combo itself is pretty resilient. Dream Stalker was just incrementally better. Might as well get a 1/5 over a 1/1 if you can.

Aluren may end up marginally improved by this. It's hard to say. There's a lot of interesting sideboard applications if you can splash white heavily enough. It's still a sorcery speed combo deck until the turn you go off, so I doubt it affects how often you end up seeing it. If someone places highly, you can count on Aluren jumping up into the played tier of reserve list pricing.

[iatee]

Not sure how useful a 3 CMC tutor would be though for finding your Storm hate.

It's very strong when your other option is topdecking it.

On the play t1 Vial into t3 tutor lets you get a Thalia before their t3.

[Dice_Box]

I am more worried about this into new Thalia. That card fucks me so hard. Its really hard to play with 40% of your deck gets the tag "ETB Tapped".