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twndomn
04-24-2016, 07:12 PM
"Additionally, 2017 is when we move Modern away from being a Pro Tour format...."
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptsoi/2016-and-2017-premier-play-updates-announced-at-ptsoi-2016-04-24

In other words, WotC is tired from banning cards for every new set, it just bans the format from PT. Now what? I hope Legacy GP won't be impacted, Modern will be another GP format I suppose, do people even care about Modern at that point?

Ok, our "great" Aaron Forsythe wrote an explanation.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptsoi/where-modern-goes-from-here-2016-04-24

"Modern should:

Be a fun way to play Magic (first, and easy to forget, but very important!)
Let you tap into your collection to expand upon established decks and familiar strategies from Magic's recent past
Offer different types of decks and gameplay than what you typically see in Standard
Not rotate, allowing you to keep a deck for a long period of time
Consist of cards that we are willing and able to reprint
Those are the easy ones. Beyond those, Modern should:

Have a diverse top-tier metagame featuring over a dozen archetypes
Not be dominated by fast, non-interactive decks (consistent kills before turn four are a red flag)
Be at a power level that allows some newly printed Standard cards to affect the format (we don't have other ways to introduce cards into the format, and we like it when cards or decks can transition)
Have as small a banned list as possible that accomplishes all the previous goals"

Other than "Consist of cards that we are willing and able to reprint," isn't Legacy Already that format he describes? Oh the sad irony.

LegacyIsAnEternalFormat
04-24-2016, 07:17 PM
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?30613-No-More-Modern-Pro-Tour&p=946211#post946211

Already a discussion going on in this forum.

twndomn
04-24-2016, 07:19 PM
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?30613-No-More-Modern-Pro-Tour&p=946211#post946211

Already a discussion going on in this forum.

That one is in Modern section. This thread is focusing on how Legacy would be impacted. If this topic can only be discussed in the Modern section, sure admin can delete duplicate thread.

Dice_Box
04-25-2016, 04:40 AM
I don't see what this has to do with Legacy. If you think it will sell me on the idea.

MaximumC
04-25-2016, 01:00 PM
Other than "Consist of cards that we are willing and able to reprint," isn't Legacy Already that format he describes? Oh the sad irony.

Yes, and that's the whole point. This decision is not directly relevant to Legacy, but it does show Wizard's overall strategy when it comes to Eternal.

Step 1 - Wizards realizes they're stuck with the Reserve List because removing it now creates problems without giving the company a tangible benefit. They double down and agree never to break it.

Step 2 - Wizards finds a solution for the Reserve List problem: a new Legacy format that only uses cards not on the list. Eventually WotC gives birth to Modern.

Step 3 - Wizards keeps Modern as a Pro Tour and highly pushed format for several years, to help nurture and grow the format. Interest grows and the format becomes popular enough to drive prices on some staples to Legacy levels.

Step 4 - Now that the format is all grown up, Wizards asks Modern to move out of mom and dad's house. Modern goes off the Pro Tour and settled comfortably into the hands of private TOs like Star City Games, who make their money on out of print format staples anyway. Wizards can reprint cards from the format periodically to keep getting money itself from the format while ensuring there is always HOPE of keeping prices under control.

Step 5 - As Legacy diminishes in popularity and profitability due to cards being concentrated in the hands of hard core fans of the format, Modern can continue to grow each year as people flow in from Standard. As more cards get printed, the difference between Legacy and Modern gets smaller and smaller, and the reasons to play Legacy instead of Modern get smaller and smaller, too.

Step 6 - Legacy doesn't reduce in size, but it loses more and more TO support, while Modern continues to grow apace with the player base. This isn't horrible; it's already happened to Vintage, and we still see high-profile Vintage events. Legacy, like Vintage, will continue to evolve and thrive on occasional new printings that compete with existing archetypes. It might even become more affordable as there becomes less and less reason to need dual lands or other staples.

Ace/Homebrew
04-25-2016, 01:14 PM
Step 5 - As Legacy diminishes in popularity and profitability due to cards being concentrated in the hands of hard core fans of the format, Modern can continue to grow each year as people flow in from Standard. As more cards get printed, the difference between Legacy and Modern gets smaller and smaller, and the reasons to play Legacy instead of Modern get smaller and smaller, too.
Except that the differences between Legacy and Modern will always exist despite a shrinking difference in card pool. Something, something, Spirit of the FormatTM.

There will be more movement from Standard to Modern than there will be from Legacy to Modern (not to say there won't be movement, there already has been).

lordofthepit
04-25-2016, 01:19 PM
Legacy is my favorite format and Vintage is my second. I reluctantly play Modern as my third format these days. In all honesty, having extra dispensable water cups at an event means infinitely more to me than the ability to qualify for the Pro Tour, as it should be for 99.99% of players.

Dice_Box
04-25-2016, 01:51 PM
I am not sold we need this. Take all discussion to the Modern thread.