Eternal Weekend: Oct. 27-30 Columbus, OH

[maharis]

http://www.cardtitan.com/eternal_weekend

[iatee]

Sucks. Guessing the Pennsylvania Convention Center raised their prices or something. A lot of East Coast people aren't gonna make this.

[btm10]

I'll be there. Looking forward to seeing Ohio/Midwest Magic folks.

[Koby]

Sucks. Guessing the Pennsylvania Convention Center raised their prices or something. A lot of East Coast people aren't gonna make this.

Sounds like a bunch of cry babies who can't be bothered to travel 3 hours.
Anyways, I'm all booked to attend. Hope the entry fee isn't $50, cuz otherwise I'm not going. /s

[H]

I'm sad that it had to be on a holiday weekend. There was a low percent chance I could have made it this year, but that basically just made low into no.

[barcode]

I'm a lock. Let's see if I can move up to top 16 for Legacy (or better) and get enough sleep for Vintage. Last year I got shit sleep (splitting a room with someone who snores is a misplay) and ended up dropping from the Vintage main event at 4-2 believing my record was 3-3. Nothing quite like dropping while still live for top 8.

[PirateKing]

RIP Reading Terminal Market

Sucks for me because my prices just ballooned to included major travel and hotel, but then for Columbus kids, it's a boon.
Glad that it's been announced, it was unlikely they were going to be able to announce similar August dates this late, so I knew something was up.

[Stuart]

I'll absolutely be there. Columbus isn't any less convenient than Philly was for me.

Also, Oct 27 is my birthday. It's a sign!

[Star|Scream]

I'll absolutely be there. Columbus isn't any less convenient than Philly was for me.

Also, Oct 27 is my birthday. It's a sign!

I believe that's their' tagline.

Columbus: No less convenient than Philly

[Stuart]

I believe that's their' tagline.

Columbus: No less convenient than Philly

That's just an Ohio thing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM)

[iatee]

Also nobody's mentioned that they booked this the same day as an Ohio State home game. That's what happens when you put nerds in charge.

I honestly think picking *any* Midwest city over Columbus would've made more sense. Most people who don't live close enough to drive are not going to want to book two trips to Ohio in one year.

[Koby]

Also nobody's mentioned that they booked this the same day as an Ohio State home game. That's what happens when you put nerds in charge.

I honestly think picking *any* Midwest city over Columbus would've made more sense. Most people who don't live close enough to drive are not going to want to book two trips to Ohio in one year.

It's a known fact that WotC has poor track record in selecting cities for large events. Denver in January, Atlanta in June, Nebraska in late Dec, etc. Any large city is going to have large events going every weekend. Columbus at least has a reasonably close airport, and multitude of hotels adjacent to the convention center. That's already better than most cities I've attended for events.

If Eternal Weekend catered only to New England crowd, then it should just be renamed "East Coast Magic Thingy" and stop presuming it's catering to the global crowd. Play the Game, See the World makes some sense here, as the payout is not directly funded by WotC.

[iatee]

Well Wotc didn't make the mistake here. I wonder if space was cheaper that weekend because no sensible convention/event/etc wanted to book space on a football weekend.

[H]

Well Wotc didn't make the mistake here. I wonder if space was cheaper that weekend because no sensible convention/event/etc wanted to book space on a football weekend.

And the weekend of Halloween as well.

My choices are:
Don't go.
Go and tell my kids they can't go Trick-or-Treating.
Go and tell my wife "you deal with 6 kids Trick-or-Treating."

I like exactly zero of these options.

[maharis]

And the weekend of Halloween as well.

My choices are:
Don't go.
Go and tell my kids they can't go Trick-or-Treating.
Go and tell my wife "you deal with 6 kids Trick-or-Treating."

I like exactly zero of these options.

I have this issue too, but you don't think you can make it back by Monday night?

The timing is awkward for me because I have an entire week of business travel for various conferences right before this, and by the time I get back, I'd only be home for two days before having to get right back on a plane. I'm not even sure I want to do that let alone deal with the wife equity deficit. Might as well hold out for SCG Baltimore the following week, which should be really well attended because the Legacy championship will stir up lots of interest and showcase a lot of decks.

I would definitely go to this if it was almost any other weekend; I've never been to Columbus. I hope that there isn't too much of a dropoff from last year's highs for both formats because of the awkwardness of the timing and location.

[H]

I have this issue too, but you don't think you can make it back by Monday night?

The timing is awkward for me because I have an entire week of business travel for various conferences right before this, and by the time I get back, I'd only be home for two days before having to get right back on a plane. I'm not even sure I want to do that let alone deal with the wife equity deficit. Might as well hold out for SCG Baltimore the following week, which should be really well attended because the Legacy championship will stir up lots of interest and showcase a lot of decks.

I would definitely go to this if it was almost any other weekend; I've never been to Columbus. I hope that there isn't too much of a dropoff from last year's highs for both formats because of the awkwardness of the timing and location.

Well, yeah, I could be back for Monday, but the town here always run's the organized trick-or-treat on the Thursday before (I actually thought it was Saturday, but my wife just corrected me), regardless of when Halloween is. It's not like it was where I grew up in NY, where you just go on actual Halloween day. I have no real understanding of how this came to be here, or why, but my wife tells me it's just always been like this.

Can't really do that and fly out of here Thursday and for me, the whole point of going is to play Vintage, we play Legacy every week, so missing Friday is a no-go.

[Arianeira]

Timing on Halloween Weekend is a major minus.

Extra day to the event means extra time off which may matter to some people.

For east coasters 5-6+ more hours of driving according to google maps means an extra day off or take the plane which drives the costs up quite a bit. Better for some people closer to Ohio though.

[thecrav]

Also nobody's mentioned that they booked this the same day as an Ohio State home game

At least it's against Northwestern (Chicago), so flights shouldn't be too bad

[iamajellydonut]

Extra day to the event means extra time off which may matter to some people.

For east coasters 5-6+ more hours of driving according to google maps means an extra day off or take the plane which drives the costs up quite a bit. Better for some people closer to Ohio though.

This is what I'm facing right now. As someone from Boston, I could wake up on Saturday, drive down to Philiy with a haphazard and/or minimal crew, and still be fresh enough to jam out nine rounds of whatever format. With Columbus, I have to have a full car, have to take compatible people as opposed to just whoever feels like splitting gas so that I won't accidentally beat them to death with an ice scraper on the twelve hour (one way) trip, have to have accommodations, have to take two extra days off, and have to justify all this.

I understand that you gotta do what you gotta do in terms of hosting an event, and "yaaaay Columbus kids", but this sucks for everyone that doesn't live in the asscrack of America.

[thecrav]

have to take two extra days off

As a vintage player who's gonna want to be there on Friday, this one really gets me. Extra time in the hotel and extra time off means the cost of the event goes up dramatically.

[btm10]

Not thrilled about that part either. I was planning on playing Old School; that looks unlikely now.

[hymnyou]

EW was too much fun last year to not go. One of my top priorities entertainment wise for 2016- 93/94, Legacy and Vintage with a bunch of people that are stoked to be there.
93/94 was insane last year. The whole event was a fucking blast.

[jrsthethird]

This blows. Totally down to carpool with anyone cutting through the Allentown area (so anyone from Jersey/NYC).

[Stuart]

For those who missed it, earlier this week registration went live for Eternal Weekend (http://www.cardtitan.com/eternal_weekend).

I haven't registered yet (waiting to see what the Friday lineup is; if there's a big Legacy event, I'd rather play in that than the Vintage Champs), but have my flights and AirBnB booked. Anyone else locked in?

[PirateKing]

So as Eternal Weekend has gotten closer, so have my friends gotten flakier. So now I have a hotel room just to myself. Anybody here interested in splitting costs? Message me direct, I don't want to clog up the thread. Thanks.

Need to edit this. I've ended up with an itinerary that will not include a hotel. Good luck to all those still trying to plan a trip there.

[Survex]

So as Eternal Weekend has gotten closer, so have my friends gotten flakier. So now I have a hotel room just to myself. Anybody here interested in splitting costs? Message me direct, I don't want to clog up the thread. Thanks.

Edited:

I'm in the same boat, if somebody is going and wants to split pm me.

[JACO]

For anybody who is interested in playing Old School 93-94 at Eternal Weekend this year, we are running another side event like the last couple of years. The first year we had 12 in my hotel room, the next year we had 54 in our hotel lobby, and this year we have 100 pre-registered so far (capping at 120 max). It is being held on Thursday at the Gordon Biersch brewery in downtown Columbus, just a couple of blocks from the Convention Center and most of the downtown hotels. Check out the details here if you want to play!
http://www.eternalcentral.com/eternalweekend2016oldschool/

[thecrav]

I won't be playing but I'll definitely be stopping by to see beautiful decks and drink beer.

[Stuart]

My flight doesn't get in till 4:30, so you guys will have 1 fewer person to Sink Hole/Strip Mine/Hymn/Mind Twist out of the game.

[Whippoorwill]

For those that aren't aware, Koby is now in the finals for Vintage.

[Megadeus]

Twitch chat so bad. People watching the vintage event asking what the card sphere of resistance is.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

According to Twitch chat, Oath is a dead card in a format with removal.

[Megadeus]

According to Twitch chat, Oath is a dead card in a format with removal.

The only way you can maybe rationalize is how prevalent Decay is, but Oath is a miserable uninteresting card and would be legal in a format that is currently unfortunately full of uninteresting miserable cards

[Darkenslight]

Still not quite as bad as those misplays in the Finals. That was almost a huge set of throws.

As for the current match, I'm not sure if Doyle overextended into the Terminus, but yeah.

[CptHaddock]

I'm not sure what is the best part of this weekend. The eldrazi player playing spells into his own chalice, the miracles player only putting 1 back with brainstorm or this d&t player who's playing to his <1% out against a miracles player who has assembled a counterbalance and top.

[Stevestamopz]

I am enjoying the commentary from Bob Maher, declaring this match an abysmal bore.

Buehler on the other hand:
"I love miracles, this travesty is fine man, i fucking love predict and top, they're suh skill testing".

[Darkenslight]

I'm not sure what is the best part of this weekend. The eldrazi player playing spells into his own chalice, the miracles player only putting 1 back with brainstorm or this d&t player who's playing to his <1% out against a miracles player who has assembled a counterbalance and top.

He's playing for an additional dual land and the possibility of the Mox Sapphire trophy card. It's fine to play to outs in a situation that's pretty remote.

Interesting that there's no Mentors in the Miracles list.

[Julian23]

One of those is not like the other. Having the mental strength to play to low% outs against an opponent in a commanding spot is admirable.

[Megadeus]

Miracles player is awful. Next time I hear about how skill intensive that deck is I'm going to flip a table. He's slow, sloppy, and made many poor decisions. Unfortunately his opponent was playing a non brainstorm deck and was unable to replace the land he drew with more creatures

[lavafrogg]

Is the top 8 up anywhere?

[conboy31]

Is the top 8 up anywhere?

http://www.cardtitan.com/coverage

Top half is t1, bottom half is t1.5

[MaximumC]

Miracles player is awful. Next time I hear about how skill intensive that deck is I'm going to flip a table. He's slow, sloppy, and made many poor decisions. Unfortunately his opponent was playing a non brainstorm deck and was unable to replace the land he drew with more creatures

No kidding. I was in chat during the finals. From the opening move -- Miracles player gets some old half of a chocolate bar out of his pocket and chows down -- it was a dumpster fire of misplays. At least the best player won, but it was a close call, as it turned out.

I hope pocket chocolate becomes a thing, now.

[Stuart]

So sick to see Hex Depths take down what could have been a very boring Top 8.

Great weekend all-around. I might write up a report, though I dunno what anyone would get from reading about my 6-4 run on MUD.

[filln]

So sick to see Hex Depths take down what could have been a very boring Top 8.

Great weekend all-around. I might write up a report, though I dunno what anyone would get from reading about my 6-4 run on MUD.

I'd love to read about your run with MUD, for what it's worth!

[twndomn]

What is up with this "misplay" Zach Dobbin?

Really? Do we just stop resolving Brainstorm correctly?

https://clips.twitch.tv/cardtitan/VictoriousCockroachBloodTrail

I hate to speculate the intent or be a mind reader, but this is....

[Megadeus]

What is up with this "misplay" Zach Dobbin?

Really? Do we just stop resolving Brainstorm correctly?

https://clips.twitch.tv/cardtitan/VictoriousCockroachBloodTrail

I hate to speculate the intent or be a mind reader, but this is....

I've had people probably just in a hurry, but simply ancestral with their brainstorm. Always have to remind them that the card is retarded and the best card in the format, but it's not recall.

Also I'd totally read a tourney report on MUD. I'm pretty tired of reading about Grixis or Miracles top 8.

[MaximumC]

What is up with this "misplay" Zach Dobbin?

Really? Do we just stop resolving Brainstorm correctly?

https://clips.twitch.tv/cardtitan/VictoriousCockroachBloodTrail

I hate to speculate the intent or be a mind reader, but this is....

Well, we'd need to see how he usually resolved NS to compare. The act of "lol what's this face down card guess I should draw it" seems awfully sketchy out of context. ..

[Quasim0ff]

What is up with this "misplay" Zach Dobbin?

Really? Do we just stop resolving Brainstorm correctly?

https://clips.twitch.tv/cardtitan/VictoriousCockroachBloodTrail

I hate to speculate the intent or be a mind reader, but this is....

Uhm, he got DQ'd for that....

[Darkenslight]

What is up with this "misplay" Zach Dobbin?

Really? Do we just stop resolving Brainstorm correctly?

https://clips.twitch.tv/cardtitan/VictoriousCockroachBloodTrail

I hate to speculate the intent or be a mind reader, but this is....

He got ejected from an otherwise cash finish.

I call that a win.

[raudo]

wrong topic

[(nameless one)]

So sick to see Hex Depths take down what could have been a very boring Top 8.

Great weekend all-around. I might write up a report, though I dunno what anyone would get from reading about my 6-4 run on MUD.

I'd read it.

[CutthroatCasual]

I am enjoying the commentary from Bob Maher, declaring this match an abysmal bore.

Buehler on the other hand:
"I love miracles, this travesty is fine man, i fucking love predict and top, they're suh skill testing".


Miracles player is awful. Next time I hear about how skill intensive that deck is I'm going to flip a table. He's slow, sloppy, and made many poor decisions. Unfortunately his opponent was playing a non brainstorm deck and was unable to replace the land he drew with more creatures

Exactly this. Miracles v DnT can be a very interesting match, as evidenced by several great games such as Lossett v. Konig. But this Miller guy is just straight garbage at the deck and it's a wonder he even made it this far. Apparently most of his rounds in Swiss went 1-0-1. This knob is the reason why Top is going to get a ban when there are hundreds of competent Miracles players not spending 20 seconds per activation and not doing stupid shit like shuffling the top 3 around to try and fool their opponent.

[MaximumC]

Exactly this. Miracles v DnT can be a very interesting match, as evidenced by several great games such as Lossett v. Konig. But this Miller guy is just straight garbage at the deck and it's a wonder he even made it this far. Apparently most of his rounds in Swiss went 1-0-1. This knob is the reason why Top is going to get a ban when there are hundreds of competent Miracles players not spending 20 seconds per activation and not doing stupid shit like shuffling the top 3 around to try and fool their opponent.

I mean, let's not pile on TOO much on the poor guy. He needed pocket chocolate to make it through the match; maybe he was tired and his earlier matches went better. I didn't perceive that he was wasting too much time. He only topped to see the same three cards once. :)

Basically, the worst I saw was how he was throwing away his StP trump cards against worthless creatures in Game 2. Not sure what that was all about. But, hey, he won anyway since he drew all of em.

[CptHaddock]

One of those is not like the other. Having the mental strength to play to low% outs against an opponent in a commanding spot is admirable.


He's playing for an additional dual land and the possibility of the Mox Sapphire trophy card. It's fine to play to outs in a situation that's pretty remote.

Interesting that there's no Mentors in the Miracles list.

That's a fair point but isn't there a point where you draw the line? After 3-4 blank draws I would think it's more straining to just sit there and continue playing knowing that your chances of the game keep on going lower and lower. You can look at decklists too so you're not getting too much information there. That's just me though, maybe MacKenzie didn't mind.

Jeez I would hate to be a non Joe/Tomas/Phillip level miracles player on stream. You basically just get roasted by the internet.

[twndomn]

That's a fair point but isn't there a point where you draw the line? After 3-4 blank draws I would think it's more straining to just sit there and continue playing knowing that your chances of the game keep on going lower and lower. You can look at decklists too so you're not getting too much information there. That's just me though, maybe MacKenzie didn't mind.

Jeez I would hate to be a non Joe/Tomas/Phillip level miracles player on stream. You basically just get roasted by the internet.

That's not true. I have seen LGS-level coverage from CardKingdom, or South Florida. I have seen SCG Legacy coverage. People can play quickly and make mistakes, we understand that. We might criticize the misplay(s), but that won't go far. Sam Roukus was on EE camera match just the weekend before, and no one made a big deal out of anything. This guy, THIS MILLER GUY, we are criticizing his mechanics, his demeanor, and approach are misrepresenting Miracles players as a whole.

When you use SDT activation, you take the top 3 cards from the library, you rearrange them and put them back asap without annoying your opponent. This guy wants to make a statement by shuffling those 3, he SHUFFLES those 3 cards, then start examining the order, then put them back, and sometimes he has to re-check those 3 with his hand because he set the cards in his hand down as a separate pile. He's the reason people want to ban SDT.

[Megadeus]

It was that, sloppy board state, slow play, and just poor decisions imo. It's frustrating to watch that person make it to the finals because a deck is so absolutely retarded that you can be a chimp and win half your matches without being good at all

[Darkenslight]

That's a fair point but isn't there a point where you draw the line? After 3-4 blank draws I would think it's more straining to just sit there and continue playing knowing that your chances of the game keep on going lower and lower. You can look at decklists too so you're not getting too much information there. That's just me though, maybe MacKenzie didn't mind.

Jeez I would hate to be a non Joe/Tomas/Phillip level miracles player on stream. You basically just get roasted by the internet.

Remember when Jim Davis was playing Miracles to stupid results like 10-2-3? Most of that was because he was playing slowly. Or remember when Rock Lee was playing the early incarnations of the Turbo-Eldrazi (aka 12Post) deck on camera? Those were two radically contrasting uses of Top, in terms of duration.

And then...Jim got better. And he didn't have to think through his lines as much. Miller is supposed to have been playing this deck for at least some time, but his board states literally made me want him to get game losses, they were so damned sloppy. No wonder his Semis and Finals opponents were somewhat tilted.

[Julian23]

When you use SDT activation, you take the top 3 cards from the library, you rearrange them and put them back asap without annoying your opponent. This guy wants to make a statement by shuffling those 3, he SHUFFLES those 3 cards, then start examining the order, then put them back, and sometimes he has to re-check those 3 with his hand because he set the cards in his hand down as a separate pile. He's the reason people want to ban SDT.

Yet perfectly fine and within the rules. Which is why it's so annyoing. If you opponent spends like 20s doing this, he's perfectly safe as long as he's not doing it to run down the clock.

As much as I hate Miracles and SDT in particular, I don't think anyone could accuse the guy of Slow Play. He was super sloppy et al and also got warnings for it, but Slow Play? Maybe there were some instances, but overall pace of play still seemed fine. Which doesn't mean that it wasn't a problem as one could see from the game clock. But that's a rules and context problem with SDT in general.

[Barook]

This knob is the reason why Top is going to get a ban
Because Miracles' power level is not a problem. Oh wait, let's have a look at its DtB placements since Treasure Cruise was banned:



2/15: #1 (end of TC era)
3/15: #1
4/15: #1
5/15: #1
6/15: #3
7/15: #1
8/15: #2
9/15: #1
10/15: #1 (end of DTT era)
11/15: #1
12/15: #1
1/16: #1
2/16: #1
3/16: #2 (very close second after Eldrazi)
4/16: #1
5/16: #1
6/16: #1
7/16: #1
8/16: #1
9/16: #1

You can hate him for being a sloppy player, but the deck's power level is the reason why he even got that far.

People are just plain sick of playing against the deck, but just blaming Top and its durdling misses the bigger picture. It also has a pretty huge meta penetration for Legacy standards (meaning you have to play against it over and over again - which is exactly the opposite of one of the main draws Legacy has - deck diversity). It drives people away from the format. E.g. I've stopped playing completely until Wizards gets their shit together, and looking at the current B&R discussion, I'm not the only one.

[CutthroatCasual]

Yet perfectly fine and within the rules. Which is why it's so annyoing. If you opponent spends like 20s doing this, he's perfectly safe as long as he's not doing it to run down the clock.


It doesn't take 20 seconds to resolve a Top activation. Judges need to be stricter on this. Even if he's not intentionally running down the clock, when he rearranges the cards in one order within 5 seconds (which is good) and then takes 15 seconds looking at the order before putting them back on top of his deck, that's what needs to be called out more often for "slow play."


Because Miracles' power level is not a problem. Oh wait, let's have a look at its DtB placements since Treasure Cruise was banned:



You can hate him for being a sloppy player, but the deck's power level is the reason why he even got that far.

People are just plain sick of playing against the deck, but just blaming Top and its durdling misses the bigger picture. It also has a pretty huge meta penetration for Legacy standards (meaning you have to play against it over and over again - which is exactly the opposite of one of the main draws Legacy has - deck diversity). It drives people away from the format. E.g. I've stopped playing completely until Wizards gets their shit together, and looking at the current B&R discussion, I'm not the only one.

You're free to play Modern then, the premier format where WotC curates the metagame to the voice of the masses. Sure, Miracles is a tough deck to beat, but other decks that beat it aren't lousy. 4c Loam has a good MU, Grixis Delver has a fairly even MU, DnT is a very pilot-dependent MU. Those 3 decks all have game against the rest of the meta as well.

[Barook]

It doesn't take 20 seconds to resolve a Top activation. Judges need to be stricter on this. Even if he's not intentionally running down the clock, when he rearranges the cards in one order within 5 seconds (which is good) and then takes 15 seconds looking at the order before putting them back on top of his deck, that's what needs to be called out more often for "slow play."
That just doesn't sound feasible and like a logistic nightmare, given the amount of judge calls. SDT was banned for power and time reasons in Extended, and it never even became legal in Modern due to that.


You're free to play Modern

I've stopped playing completely
Emphasize mine.

@Mods: Can we please make "Go play Modern!" (aka the Source's euphemism for "Go fuck yourself!") an offense that deserves a warning? It would make discussions more civil in the long run.

[CutthroatCasual]

That just doesn't sound feasible and like a logistic nightmare, given the amount of judge calls. SDT was banned for power and time reasons in Extended, and it never even became legal in Modern due to that.

Good thing there weren't actually that many Miracles players (given how many Miracles decks there were that day) going to turns during EW so you're vastly overestimating the amount of judge calls for slow play by a Miracles opponent that will be made. I myself was even complemented by several of my opponents for being a quick Miracles player. And most of us Miracles players are quick. Unfortunately, the slowest of us all was put on cam and that gives a bad name to the rest of us.


@Mods: Can we please make "Go play Modern!" (aka the Source's euphemism for "Go fuck yourself!") an offense that deserves a warning? It would make discussions more civil in the long run.

In the same light, can we make blanket statements about all Miracles players being slow a warn-able offense? It perpetuates an ignorant belief.

[Megadeus]

Yet perfectly fine and within the rules. Which is why it's so annyoing. If you opponent spends like 20s doing this, he's perfectly safe as long as he's not doing it to run down the clock.

As much as I hate Miracles and SDT in particular, I don't think anyone could accuse the guy of Slow Play. He was super sloppy et al and also got warnings for it, but Slow Play? Maybe there were some instances, but overall pace of play still seemed fine. Which doesn't mean that it wasn't a problem as one could see from the game clock. But that's a rules and context problem with SDT in general.

I'd like to elaborate that I'm not accusing him of Slow Play. Just saying he played slowly. I don't think he's intentionally slow playing, just that he's a slow player, playing a slow deck. And it's completely miserable for playing, viewing, and logistical purposes.

[jbone2016]

This was my first time going to Eternal Weekend and I had a blast. I played against miracles 0 times on Saturday, which I felt very odd.
I also did quite well for a deck I haven't really played a lot, Mono-red Sneak Attack aka BIG RED (my shirt gave it away at times)

[Negator77']

I mean, let's not pile on TOO much on the poor guy. He needed pocket chocolate to make it through the match; maybe he was tired and his earlier matches went better. I didn't perceive that he was wasting too much time. He only topped to see the same three cards once. :)

Basically, the worst I saw was how he was throwing away his StP trump cards against worthless creatures in Game 2. Not sure what that was all about. But, hey, he won anyway since he drew all of em.

The swords in game 2 were very aggressive imo, but he managed to win that game despite that really questionable line(s). The worst I noticed was the triple fetch crack to hard cast Force of Will while his opponent had Urborg in play in game 3. He would have had a ton of extra looks with top at the end of that game had he noticed the Urborg + fetch interaction.

[twndomn]

That just doesn't sound feasible and like a logistic nightmare, given the amount of judge calls. SDT was banned for power and time reasons in Extended, and it never even became legal in Modern due to that.

Emphasize mine.

@Mods: Can we please make "Go play Modern!" (aka the Source's euphemism for "Go fuck yourself!") an offense that deserves a warning? It would make discussions more civil in the long run.

This is not a B&R discussion thread. Mentioning SDT as detailing to your account is fine, but going deep into it by running the numbers derails and digresses from the purpose of this tread. This is about the events and altercations occurred specifically during EW, that's the title of this thread.

[Stuart]

This was my first time going to Eternal Weekend and I had a blast. I played against miracles 0 times on Saturday, which I felt very odd.
I also did quite well for a deck I haven't really played a lot, Mono-red Sneak Attack aka BIG RED (my shirt gave it away at times)

Out of 23 rounds of Legacy, I only played Miracles once. DnT felt more prevalent to me, though maybe that's cause I wasn't near the top tables :laugh:.

Nice job on Big Red. Where'd you finish out?

[jbone2016]

Out of 23 rounds of Legacy, I only played Miracles once. DnT felt more prevalent to me, though maybe that's cause I wasn't near the top tables :laugh:.

Nice job on Big Red. Where'd you finish out?

7-3, good enough for 52nd. 2 of my losses were to people who made top 8.

[Darkenslight]

I'd like to elaborate that I'm not accusing him of Slow Play. Just saying he played slowly. I don't think he's intentionally slow playing, just that he's a slow player, playing a slow deck. And it's completely miserable for playing, viewing, and logistical purposes.

On the contrary; Miller is a Slow Player. There were a lot of flashbacks to another (initially) Slow Player on the SCG Legacy sections.

You know who that guy was? A little fella called Jim Davis. And you know what? He improved, to the point where's he's now a fast Miracles player. The problem card is not, IMO, Top. The problem is bad players with Top. Top should not be a, " :1: : Run the clock down" card. But that's what bad players with the card do. Taking around 10 minutes of a game just to run Top activations is an issue. And normally, I'd put that down to either inexperience ( in which case the courteous thing would be to apologise) or to call a Judge if you suspect Slow Play. Again, accoridng to Card Titan, most of the matches Miller won were 1-0-1 affairs in the timed rounds. That doesn't strike me as a positive.

Something in Miracles finally needs to go. The signs have been there for at least two years. But it's gotten to the point where player attendance is an issue, and the companies aren't supporting the format outside of token competitions. That's not healthy, long-term, for the format. Yes, Miracles is a powerful hard-control deck. But players should not be taking the deck to large-scale timed tournaments if they aren't willing to make the games faster.

[Stuart]

OK, I made good on that promise of a MUD report. (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?31130-Eternl-Weeknd-27-rounds-of-Enchantress-Quinn-MUD-and-White-Trash&p=976760#post976760) Cheers again for the fun weekend, everyone :smile:

[(nameless one)]

OK, I made good on that promise of a MUD report. (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?31130-Eternl-Weeknd-27-rounds-of-Enchantress-Quinn-MUD-and-White-Trash&p=976760#post976760) Cheers again for the fun weekend, everyone :smile:


Thanks dude!