Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

[TsumiBand]

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Emrakul, the Promised End
13

Legendary Creature - Eldrazi

THIS costs :1: less to cast for each card type among cards in your graveyard.

When you cast THIS, gain control of target opponent during their next turn. After that turn, that player takes an additional turn.

Flying, trample, protection from instants

13/13

....

Eeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Noctalor]

Id say useless card, in legacy i can only see it as a reanimation target played instead of inkweel (but being soft to karakas isnt cool).

Maybe it can be good in modern tron, dont really know about that.

[Fox]

Not gonna lie, if I take control of my opponent's next turn.....there's a 100% chance I'm going to have them forget their extra turn trigger. :tongue:
Not a huge fan of the stats on it; looks like the cost can go down to 5 so Oath of Nissa goes up in price for standard I guess. The protection from instants combined with opportunity to hit their sorc-speed removal is interesting.

[joven]

Boring! Eldrazi already again! :(
But we basically all knew what was coming.
I just hope WotC found a way in the story to save Innistrad in the end _without_ killing Emrakul! :/

The design of the Emrakul card seems reasonable. Sorceries work against him/it/her! (And colorless Instants don't work anymore.) And WotC found an interesting twist of "cast trigger extra turn".

Storywise from the trailer I don't quite get if Liliana is fighting with or against Emrakul. Both options don't make much sense (you can't ally with Emrakul and Zombies don't stand a chance against Emrakul no matter how many). But she seems to be interested in getting Innistrad under her control.

I wonder how many Eldrazi cards will be in Eldritch Moon. Hopefully not that many considering Emrakul just arrived. #EldraziUntilYouPuke

[Barook]

I don't get the cast trigger design-wise. What's the point of giving your opponent a free Time Walk to rebuild after you just Mindslaver'ed their ass back into the stone age?

Overall, pretty disappointed by the card.

[rufus]

I don't get the cast trigger design-wise. What's the point of giving your opponent a free Time Walk to rebuild after you just Mindslaver'ed their ass back into the stone age?...

Probably to prevent slaver loops. Naively, that ability seems really weak.

[Fox]

I don't get the cast trigger design-wise. What's the point of giving your opponent a free Time Walk to rebuild after you just Mindslaver'ed their ass back into the stone age?

Overall, pretty disappointed by the card.
Protection from Instants + Protection from Sorceries in hand + 1 off the top. The card design is actually pretty good for maintaining most of the Protection from colored spells clause in a new and innovative way.

[Finn]

Probably to prevent slaver loops. Naively, that ability seems really weak.
It costs 13.

At 13 you should be allowed any kind of loopy masturbation your dirty mind can imagine.

Besides, slaver loops are a piece of cake in a world with Goblin Welder.

[Lemnear]

So you get Mindslavers ability to control the opponent for a turn , but without the added benefit of the attached TimeWalk. Might be interresting as a midrange option for Tron in Modern and maybe even for 12-Post, but its much worse than the original incarnation for cheating it into play and as a finisher. Being counterable is a big deal.

[thecrav]

Id say useless card, in legacy i can only see it as a reanimation target played instead of inkweel (but being soft to karakas isnt cool).

My reasoning for playing Inkwell is approximately equal parts Karakas avoidance and Islandwalk. Plus, It's possible I might actually hard cast Inkwell. I can't really see playing Emmy2 over Inkwhell unless I'm unable to find my Inkwell.



Not gonna lie, if I take control of my opponent's next turn.....there's a 100% chance I'm going to have them forget their extra turn trigger. :tongue:

By my reading, the slaver and extra turn are part of the same trigger ("When you cast Emrakul...") and therefore you can't miss one part and not the other.

[Ace/Homebrew]

It costs :5: to :13:
Fixed that for you. :wink:

As far as the big 'surprise' of Emrakul on Innistrad... meh!
Too much Eldrazi too soon.

[maraxusofkelds]

Itll realistically cost 8-9 mana in legacy. Castable through blood moon, even if ultra slow. Might be worth considering as a sideboard or replacing one endbringer in colorless eldrazi deck. The extra turn effect is really bad but the fact that it has protection from everything not malestorm pulse might be worth considering since it ends the game on next swing.

[rufus]

It costs 13.

At 13 you should be allowed any kind of loopy masturbation your dirty mind can imagine.

Besides, slaver loops are a piece of cake in a world with Goblin Welder.

There are 8 possible card types ( land, instant, sorcery, creature, artifact, enchantment, planeswalker, tribal ) so it could cost as little as 5 (and that's before accounting for silly stuff like Eye of Ugin or Heartless Summoning.) And I don't think WotC has tested it, but Karakas is pretty strong as combo pieces go.

I guess it could be a blowout against combo decks, but mostly it just seems too weak to justify itself.

[Fox]

Itll realistically cost 8-9 mana in legacy. Castable through blood moon, even if ultra slow. Might be worth considering as a sideboard or replacing one endbringer in colorless eldrazi deck. The extra turn effect is really bad but the fact that it has protection from everything not malestorm pulse might be worth considering since it ends the game on next swing.
For the love of all things holy, stop saying sorceries can kill this. You control their next turn, that Maelstrom Pulse is going to target one of their own permanents! :laugh:

Here's how it's gonna go down: Their Lilly -2 targeting self. Pulse their Lilly. Oh, and you're going to take control of their turn as Visions has 1 counter left on it of course. #value

As far as legacy is concerned there is a key piece of text missing: Look at their top 3 cards and arrange them in any order. You need something this strange to kill SDT and CB with their own Wear/Tear since an astute player with 1 mana up would spin SDT holding priority, tap the top, and bury it ~2 cards deep.

[Noctalor]

Itll realistically cost 8-9 mana in legacy. Castable through blood moon, even if ultra slow. Might be worth considering as a sideboard or replacing one endbringer in colorless eldrazi deck. The extra turn effect is really bad but the fact that it has protection from everything not malestorm pulse might be worth considering since it ends the game on next swing.

Extra turn isn't really that bad actually, just look at it as you are the one playing the extra turn, with your opponent cards, trying to screw his gameplan, then the game goes back to normal and its you opponent turn as usual

[Barook]

It costs 13.

At 13 you should be allowed any kind of loopy masturbation your dirty mind can imagine.

Besides, slaver loops are a piece of cake in a world with Goblin Welder.
All those thirteens make Triskaidekaphobia even more flavorful in the context.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Extra turn isn't really that bad actually, just look at it as you are the one playing the extra turn, with your opponent cards, trying to screw his gameplan, then the game goes back to normal and its you opponent turn as usual

If they have no cards and you draw a creature or land its kinda bad.

If they have any remval and a creature in play(attack into emrakrul) it seems pretty strong!

Overall cool card but nothing to get hyped!

[rufus]

If they have no cards and you draw a creature or land its kinda bad.

If they have any remval and a creature in play(attack into emrakrul) it seems pretty strong!


I am wondering how good the loop with Karakas is, especially against decks full of Ponder, Brainstorm, and SDT.

Edit: On reflection, the vulnerability to counterspells makes a big dent in it.

[Stuart]

Fluffwise, I'm bummed it's Emrakul instead of the Phyrexians :cry:

I don't see any obvious uses for this card in Legacy, but I'm generally bad at anticipating that stuff. However, I'm wondering if the real impact of the set will be new additions to Eldrazi Stompy. If they print a few more good mid-size Eldrazi, that could really push that deck over the top (though at the same time, I'm not sure what type of creature that deck even wants that it doesn't already have).

[Begle1]

I think it usually costs 8 mana at that point in the game, not a number Legacy or even Standard is too struggling to acquire in an "Eldrazi" deck.

It is a highly resilient, evasive, kills-in-two-hits beater with a Mindslaver-on-cast effect that can't be countered.

And it's a reanimation target, as just a fatty.

The thing is a multi-format player, as a sideboard against control decks if nothing else. I can't imagine losing too often after casting this.

[Dice_Box]

Nahiri sure as fuck looks flavourful now.

[Fox]

The issue with this card in Eldrazi is that they already have TKS which effectively is already a 4-mana Mind Slaver with it's exile from hand ETB dictating what they can do next turn. By the time you can activate Eye of Ugin, you're going to want to grab Smasher, Endbringer, or new-Ulamog all before new-Emmy.

It is a poor choice for reanimation effects, but Lotus Petal-Reanimator might realistically be able to hardcast it with cost-reduction value Entombs. That is still pretty much strictly worse than reanimating Sphinx of the Final Word or even Archetype of Endurance; as far as hard-casting both Grave Titan and Scumlord (aka Silumgar, the Drifting Death).

Decks that would want this are probably looking to punish slower prison'y decks for employing powerful effects they can't possibly control. There's certainly shenanigans a deck like NicFit could employ using this to realistically ancestral themselves when Shardless BUG suspends Visions...but I think if you're putting this card into your sideboard you're basically baiting opponent into ticking up JTMS and then taking control to ult them out of the game. This is also convenient for NicFit which tends to lose by ramping decks like miracles into JTMS.

Decks that win by stuff like JTMS ult don't run Stifle, this card is a 5-13 cmc uncounterable you lose by Willbender effect. The body doesn't matter in legacy.

[jrsthethird]

Not a huge fan of the stats on it; looks like the cost can go down to 5 so Oath of Nissa goes up in price for standard I guess. The protection from instants combined with opportunity to hit their sorc-speed removal is interesting.

There are no Tribal cards in Standard. 6 mana minimum.

Also the Eldrazi deck doesn't run Enchantments, Sorceries, Tribals, or Planeswalkers (maybe an All Is Dust from the SB but that's it). It's going to take a lot to make an Eldrazi deck that's better than turn 2 TKS turn 3 Smasher that can get this efficiently, even with Eye.

[Begle1]

As far as Legacy is concerned, isn't this card at least a decent anti-Miracles card for most any deck with 20+ land?

7-13 mana uncounterable Mindslaver (that gets cheaper the more of your stuff they've countered), can't be Counterbalanced, buries Tops, lets you do stupid things with their win conditions, counterspells and removal, and leaves behind a 13/13 flample unless they Forced it or find a Terminus. Even if they Jace bounce it, you can still cast it again.

[Zombie]

The part of me that appreciates hammy things and expressions loaded with import can't stop being giddy at that name. It's probably the best name a card has gotten in years.

the Promised End.

Cthulhu fhtagn

Someone on Salvation speaks the truth:


I love the addition of Lovecraftian elements to Innistrad, but I really wish it wasn't from Emrakul. I'm so sick of every block being about some outside Planeswalker(s). Is it too much to ask that when we go to a unique and interesting plane, we get to focus fully on its uniqueness and interestingness rather than just having it be a backdrop for the overarching story?

[MaximumC]

Emrakul The End is interesting. She's not competing for any space with herself in decks that want to cheat out a fattie with Oath or Show and Tell; if you do that, you absolutely want to be tearing Aeons, not keeping Promises. But, I like Emrakul the Lesser in a ramp deck. The first ramp spell of each category you cast counts twice for fueling her. Rampant Growth adds a land and reduces her cost. Ditto Veteran Explorer or Sakura Tribe-Elder. If she's your curve topper at 8-9 mana, she wins pretty handily in a midrangey, aggro deck. Legacy? Probably not, since the cost is high even for Nic Fit, but Modern ramp could absolutely use this.

However -- the Daily MTG story article about this card is laughably bad. "I'mrakul! Y'mrakul? Cool'mrakul!" Wow. That's some... excellent story telling there.



Someone on Salvation speaks the truth:

You say that, but this turns out badly (Kamigawa) as often as it works well (Lorwyn). Besides, they need to give the SUPERFRIENDS something to do. They also need some excuse to add a black member to the SUPERTEAM. So, lets' go to Innistrad and draft Liliana.


Nahiri sure as fuck looks flavourful now.

She did before. Seriously, you had to be pretty dedicated to the idea of WotC tossing out red herrings like they were going out of style to not draw the conclusion that she was the Harbinger of Emrakul the moment that set was spoiled.

[Barook]

Cool'mrakul!
http://i.imgur.com/PLmdS.jpg

[Sidneyious]

If this is the best thing that moon has to offer I'm very disappointed in wotc.

This is not near amikool and I'd rather have slaverlock ala mono blue tron but I don't use that anymore because if I can run the loop I can keep casting wurmcoils and booting them run ruins recurring dead coils making a lot of tokens.

Wrath me I dare you, exile big deal I'll search up a loop of land destruction.

[Barook]

The full art has a massive battle on the ground going on (http://67.media.tumblr.com/ad3c38f91db4e347f9a5eda608a3d691/tumblr_o934gbj8ZE1u9beo8o1_1280.jpg)

And people finally got their RG Legendary Werewolf - too bad it sucks:
http://i.imgur.com/RIUKKPq.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/AwfVqST.png

[MaximumC]

http://i.imgur.com/PLmdS.jpg

It's not even the fact that they went with all Emrakul's followers talking in some kind terrible pig-latin (Eldrazi-latin?). It's that suddenly Emrakul is acting like a rational evil creature. Remember when we were told Eldrazi were so alien that their thought processes were totally inscrutible? Welp, Jace had a freak'n conversation with ol' Emmy in this last story article.



The enteral infinity—this world is mine.

The absolute—I shall have all.

The beginning—I shall be all.

The being—all are'mrakul.

The end.

The end.

The end.


That doesn't sound like an alien species with inscrutable intentions to men.

Oh well. At least we have this really outstanding, Mark Tedin-esque art that BETTER be an amazing Magic card. Seriously, this is some of the best art I've seen in a few sets.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/c4rd4r7_3ubNi4n6aj.jpg
DOUBLE ANGEL FTW

[Noctalor]

The full art has a massive battle on the ground going on (http://67.media.tumblr.com/ad3c38f91db4e347f9a5eda608a3d691/tumblr_o934gbj8ZE1u9beo8o1_1280.jpg)

This is easily one of the best artwork I've ever seen

[joven]

And people finally got their RG Legendary Werewolf - too bad it sucks:
http://i.imgur.com/RIUKKPq.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/AwfVqST.png

Whoops, Ulrich sucks hard, even the artwork! :eek:
Sad.

[Tantarus]

http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/c4rd4r7_3ubNi4n6aj.jpg
DOUBLE ANGEL FTW

Looks more like an angel and a demon merged to me. Also this better be playable with that sick art.

[Aggro_zombies]

Someone on Salvation speaks the truth:
This was the paradigm for years. It gave us Kamigawa, Ravnica, Lorwyn, Alara, and Zendikar before we picked up any real continuing storyline, and even then it was easy to miss or ignore on the card level until BFZ.

RE: Jace talking with Emrakul: Remember, Emrakul induces madness in people, and has been able to do that since the Eldrazi first dropped (see: Eldrazi Conscription). It's entirely possible that it's not Jace speaking to Her directly, but rather Jace speaking to whatever spark of insanity She's induced in his mind - he's essentially fighting the voices in his head. Emrakul's actual mind is totally unfathomable, which is why people go mad in the first place.

[Barook]

Looks more like an angel and a demon merged to me. Also this better be playable with that sick art.
According to the storyline, those two are are Bruna and Gisela fused together.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClbWqFbVAAADDOD.jpg

Not too sure where this could fit. Eldrazi Stompy would have trouble with the blue requirement and could probably fetch an All is Dust from the board at best.

Maybe S&T or 12-Post? :really: But even then, that seems rather questionable.

[Tokugawa]

According to the storyline, those two are are Bruna and Gisela fused together.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClbWqFbVAAADDOD.jpg

Not too sure where this could fit. Eldrazi Stompy would have trouble with the blue requirement and could probably fetch an All is Dust from the board at best.

Maybe S&T or 12-Post? :really: But even then, that seems rather questionable.

If it is an instant, there maybe slightly chance of having synergy with omniscience/wish...

Sorcery? No, thanks.

[Richard Cheese]

http://i.imgur.com/PLmdS.jpg

This shit gets me every time. By his noodly appendage shall the bongos be played.

[rufus]

...
Not too sure where this could fit. Eldrazi Stompy would have trouble with the blue requirement and could probably fetch an All is Dust from the board at best.
...

Thing is, you could just put All is Dust in the main deck unless you want some kind of utility (or you need All is Dust 5-7.) Maybe there's some bomb they'll spoil later.

[Lemnear]

The full art has a massive battle on the ground going on (http://67.media.tumblr.com/ad3c38f91db4e347f9a5eda608a3d691/tumblr_o934gbj8ZE1u9beo8o1_1280.jpg)

And people finally got their RG Legendary Werewolf - too bad it sucks:
http://i.imgur.com/RIUKKPq.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/AwfVqST.png

...For legacy standards. Aside from that, the card is bonkers. +4/+4 for a creature or fighing another creature as 6/6 on each transformation. Monstrous finisher


According to the storyline, those two are are Bruna and Gisela fused together.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClbWqFbVAAADDOD.jpg

Not too sure where this could fit. Eldrazi Stompy would have trouble with the blue requirement and could probably fetch an All is Dust from the board at best.

Maybe S&T or 12-Post? :really: But even then, that seems rather questionable.

Its less flexible than cunning wish (->E.Call) for OmniTell, but for 12-Post this card is legit. Pick any Eldrazi Card (Eye of Ugin *cough*) on demand from the SB instead of having to draw the right fatty is worth the mana. ThoughtKnotSeer, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog and more on demand. Clashes with S&T in the deck however

[rufus]

...

Its less flexible than cunning wish (->E.Call) for OmniTell, but for 12-Post this card is legit. Pick any Eldrazi Card (Eye of Ugin *cough*) on demand from the SB instead of having to draw the right fatty is worth the mana. ThoughtKnotSeer, Emrakul, Kozilek, Ulamog and more on demand. Clashes with S&T in the deck however

I think the issue is that the big eldrazi have cast triggers that make them strong against counters, but this does not. People might experiment with it in mono-U tron in modern, but I don't think it's strong enough.

[Hopo]

for 12-Post this card is legit. Pick any Eldrazi Card (Eye of Ugin *cough*) on demand from the SB instead of having to draw the right fatty is worth the mana.

How exactly is it legit when Living Wish sees zero play while being superior in every relevant aspect? Curious to hear the the theory behind that. Also, what do you mean by referring to Eye of Ugin? Unlike Wish, this can't even tutor for it.

[Lemnear]

How exactly is it legit when Living Wish sees zero play while being superior in every relevant aspect? Curious to hear the the theory behind that. Also, what do you mean by referring to Eye of Ugin? Unlike Wish, this can't even tutor for it.

I had the wierd memory that Eye is an Legendary Eldrazi Land. Total brainfart, sorry. For the Living Wish topic you are right for Legacy, but not for the Modern Tron aspect. :)

[Barook]

How exactly is it legit when Living Wish sees zero play while being superior in every relevant aspect? Curious to hear the the theory behind that. Also, what do you mean by referring to Eye of Ugin? Unlike Wish, this can't even tutor for it.
Living Wish doesn't have AWESOME.

[Whitefaces]

Living Wish is basically Coax from the Blind Eternities with kicker.

[Spam]

http://i.imgur.com/PLmdS.jpg
Awesome!

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[jrsthethird]

Edit --- sometimes I forget to click the next page before responding. I'll leave this here instead:

https://scontent.fphl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13507208_1759522240961779_5347835805096585203_n.jpg?oh=89042d9bf39d310b8b8c562f817e421a&oe=57D84C84

[Richard Cheese]

Needs more bongos.

[Dice_Box]

What do you think that city is? Buildings? Ha.

Edit: WOW

http://67.media.tumblr.com/ad3c38f91db4e347f9a5eda608a3d691/tumblr_o934gbj8ZE1u9beo8o1_1280.jpg

[Malchar]

That looks like a scene from the film Independence Day. They're pulling from everywhere now.

[jrsthethird]

What do you think that city is? Buildings? Ha.

Thraben? That's a city, right?

[nedleeds]

Is that an actual painting made with paint?

[Dice_Box]

Thraben? That's a city, right?

No is "Bongos."

[Sidneyious]

I think the issue is that the big eldrazi have cast triggers that make them strong against counters, but this does not. People might experiment with it in mono-U tron in modern, but I don't think it's strong enough.
I wouldn't bother with it in MUTron but I don't play slaver or eldrazi and haven't even seen what they use now.
Most just copy what shoktrooper uses and call it God.

[jrsthethird]

No is "Bongos."

-_-

[Darkenslight]

New spoiler of the transform item (we don't yet know how it flips, but this is seriously freaking cool:


https://youtu.be/4NGO14oKtXk

The reveal?

Hanweir, the Writhing Township!

It's a 7/4 trampling haster with an attack trigger of, "put two 3/2 Eldrazi horror tokens onto the battlefield tapped and attacking." There's a lot of 13 in this set so far.

Oh, and that's the back of the card, so we don't yet know about the transform trigger.

[Echelon]

If it's a pissed off township, it might be a land that transforms for whatever reason. Maybe after you turn it into a manland and block something with it? Or a number of your lands/creatures get destroyed?

[Barook]

Collection number is #130/205 - so where exactly does this put the front side in the color pie?

[Echelon]

Ulrich of the Krallen, number 191, is gold. So probably mono-colored and the GSZ-fanatic in me hopes it's a low enough CMC green card with a reasonable flip-clause. Something like having 2 land ETB the same turn. Or die. I'm fine with that too.

Looking at past sets, it's probably one of the last red cards or first green ones. I so hope for the latter.

[Lemnear]

So probably mono-colored and the GSZ-fanatic in me hopes it's a low enough CMC green card with a reasonable flip-clause. Something like having 2 land ETB the same turn.

Like ... a fetchland searching for a dual? ;)

[Echelon]

Like ... a fetchland searching for a dual? ;)

Ahw, you caught me. And prize the green card @4 mana so only Nic Fit can play it. Grave Titan on steroids!

[Noctalor]

More eldrazi on our way.

I hope they dont push it too far.

[Echelon]

Turns this game into MtEG, you mean?

It might be time to convert to Pastafarianism.

[Dice_Box]

It might be time to convert to Pastafarianism.
Our Dark Mistress will accept all whom are willing.... Come bathe in her cold and pitiless shadow.

[TsumiBand]

Turns this game into MtEG, you mean?

It might be time to convert to Pastafarianism.

I'mragu
We'mragu
All are em'ragu

....see get it, because Ragu

http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image/Target/12935567?wid=480&hei=480

[Octopusman]

Most of the Hanweir cards are Red (one White). The Watchkeep who sits on the wall is Red.

I'm thinking some kind of Stone Wall variant.

[Richard Cheese]

More eldrazi on our way.

I hope they dont push it too far.

"We felt like we couldn't do another block of gothic horror cliches without ripping off Lovecraft too! Plus, Eldrazi sell packs!"

-R&D

[Sidneyious]

I'm still waiting for a set that is worth playing standard.
I rather liked the som/isd standard, last standard I played before that was rath/saga.

I find a lot of sets to be extremely boring and I don't like 90% of the cards I see.

Currently I dont like standard and from what I seen of the way spoilers come out are supposed to be the best cards first then a neat gem surrounding junk.

[Barook]

I'm still waiting for a set that is worth playing standard.
Under the current New World Order where everything is simplified, recycled and made more expensive than the old, iconic version? Good luck with that one...

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/cardfight/images/f/f4/A-Third-of-Leads-Are-Not-Getting-Called-Back-skeleton-waiting-image.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151204065950

[Sidneyious]

Under the current New World Order where everything is simplified, recycled and made more expensive than the old, iconic version? Good luck with that one...

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/cardfight/images/f/f4/A-Third-of-Leads-Are-Not-Getting-Called-Back-skeleton-waiting-image.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151204065950
Oh tell me about it, I was ecstatic about mirrodin1 but the sets around it were very meh at best.

I kinda liked kamigawa but not enough to play standard, onslaught was good but like many kamigawa was bad.

Mirrodin1 was great but the blocks around it made it so if you didn't play affinity you cried like everyone about sfm/bskull and then newer delver(really!).

But it's just mistakes instead if making good cards, now we get a few good cards every few years and standard keeps sucking.

Makes me want to play Pokémon!

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

Oh tell me about it, I was ecstatic about mirrodin1 but the sets around it were very meh at best.

I kinda liked kamigawa but not enough to play standard, onslaught was good but like many kamigawa was bad.

Mirrodin1 was great but the blocks around it made it so if you didn't play affinity you cried like everyone about sfm/bskull and then newer delver(really!).

But it's just mistakes instead if making good cards, now we get a few good cards every few years and standard keeps sucking.

Makes me want to play Pokémon!

They can't keep making good cards for eternal... Power creep would kill the game. Eternal players will have to learn how to deal with the ever slowing rate of good cards being printed...

[Sidneyious]

They can't keep making good cards for eternal... Power creep would kill the game. Eternal players will have to learn how to deal with the ever slowing rate of good cards being printed...
How about the ever slowing rate of dealing with 1 deck?
Seems to be how it is right now.

[MD.Ghost]

Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2W

Legendary Creature - Human soldier.

First Strike.

Creatures and non-basic lands your opponents control come into play tapped.

3 / 2

Soldier Stompy is alive ;) Happy Fetching.!

[Gheizen64]

Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2W

Legendary Creature - Human soldier.

First Strike.

Creatures and non-basic lands your opponents control come into play tapped.

3 / 2

Soldier Stompy is alive ;) Happy Fetching.!

Jesus this is savage. I'm defintely trying a 8 thalia + eldrazis stompy deck. It even partially hose SnT!

[Noctalor]

Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2W

Legendary Creature - Human soldier.

First Strike.

Creatures and non-basic lands your opponents control come into play tapped.

3 / 2

Soldier Stompy is alive ;) Happy Fetching.!

This card could do a lot of work for taxes against elves, it's even better than a canonist :eek:

Once in play its also pretty hard to deal with for elzrazi, and can do work against delvers, looks good but 3 mana is quite a lot

[Dice_Box]

That's amazing. I think I am going to finish DnT now.

[Douif]

That would have been perfect if she was a 2/3 and not a 3/2 for Imperial Taxes.

[DarthVicious]

Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2W

Legendary Creature - Human soldier.

First Strike.

Creatures and non-basic lands your opponents control come into play tapped.

3 / 2

Soldier Stompy is alive ;) Happy Fetching.!

I can see future D&T lists now...

4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thalia, Holy Knight
4 Thalia, Spirit Angel
...

[PirateKing]

I can see future D&T lists now...

Up until

4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben :1::w:
4 Thalia, Heretic Cathar :2::w:
4 Thalia, Holy Knight :2::w::w:
4 Thalia, Spirit Angel :4::w::w::w:

[Finn]

I would be surprised if this card was not instantly a major part of all future D+T decks. It is excellent.

[Barook]

Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2W

Legendary Creature - Human soldier.

First Strike.

Creatures and non-basic lands your opponents control come into play tapped.

3 / 2

Soldier Stompy is alive ;) Happy Fetching.!
Fuck yes, the White Weenie Waifu is back! <3 :smile: And here I feared that they made her WU for story reasons.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5814e2506ede3bfb72ffb43a7321da1d/tumblr_inline_o981866d9R1qiypmg_540.jpg

Could the foil reflection, but the artwork looks kinda meh.

Despite being 3 mana, I could see her becoming an integral part of D&T. Deny their mana first, than drop Thalia 2.0 to severely hamper their fetchland shenanigans due to double dipping. 3 first strike power is also nothing to sneeze at.

I could also imagine some SB combo with Crackdown as it doesn't hit white creatures like Meekstone does.

Edit: Since it only affects the opponent, a blue splash with Back to Basics would also be hilarious. Or Winter Orb for staying in-color.

[H]

Could the foil reflection, but the artwork looks kinda meh.

I think the guy who posted it said it was the Buy-A-Box Promo, so those usually get alternate art, right?

Definitely hoping for better art on the pack versions.

[Cire]

Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2W

Legendary Creature - Human soldier.

First Strike.

Creatures and non-basic lands your opponents control come into play tapped.

3 / 2


:eek: that is a brutal card.

[rufus]

The tax man commeth. There's got to be some kind of 3sphere/Thalia, Heretic Cathar / Aven Mindcensor list that preys on fetchland mana bases.

[Barook]

It's note-worthy that she interacts rather well with Nahiri's tapped creature nuke.

[Dice_Box]

It's note-worthy that she interacts rather well with Nahiri's tapped creature nuke.
Once I noticed she did not hurt you, I wanted to put her in Imperial Taxes. I am not sure that Nahiri offers a ton, but it could be something.

[sdematt]

Once I noticed she did not hurt you, I wanted to put her in Imperial Taxes. I am not sure that Nahiri offers a ton, but it could be something.

Fucking slightly altered Root Maze on a 3/2 first strike? Sign me the fuck up.

[Barook]

Fucking slightly altered Root Maze on a 3/2 first strike? Sign me the fuck up.
It costs three times the mana, but isn't symmetrical. That's more than just "slightly altered" since Root Maze is best played at T1 and puts restrictions on your own manabase while this does not.

[MGB]

Wow. It only took 3-4 years since they printed the last relevant card for Soldier Stompy, but here it is in a big way.

This is *exactly* what the deck needed, too. Another powerful hate bear alongside the original Thalia. Now the question is if this makes Soldier Stompy worth playing over Eldrazi Stompy.

[Noctalor]

Up until

4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben :1::w:
4 Thalia, Heretic Cathar :2::w:
4 Thalia, Holy Knight :2::w::w:
4 Thalia, Spirit Angel :4::w::w::w:

I play cavern naming Thalia, cast Thalia of Runes, your turn.

[iatee]

This is *exactly* what the deck needed, too. Another powerful hate bear alongside the original Thalia. Now the question is if this makes Soldier Stompy worth playing over Eldrazi Stompy.

And the answer is...no.

[thedogue]

Thalia's new flavor text should just read:

"Sorry for Wingmare..."

Love that she stops early aggro. Love that she works alongside other Thalia. Love that she adds a different angle of land taxation (instead of just redundancy). Love that Vial in those decks loves the number 3 more than anything. Thalia is love. Love is Thalia.

Am I over-reacting to this card? You bet. I know she isn't everything and more, but as a white weenie / DNT player - I've been waiting for her for a long time now. It's another show of good will to Modern players who still can't get over SFM ban.

Can't wait to reassemble my Tier 2 (1.5 at best) Modern Death and Taxes and maybe new Thalia can bump the deck up to Tier 1? Only playtesting will tell...

[rufus]

It costs three times the mana, but isn't symmetrical. That's more than just "slightly altered" since Root Maze is best played at T1 and puts restrictions on your own manabase while this does not.

I think this is also a great thing to drop on turn 1. If you want to threaten T1 Chrome Mox, Sol Land, Thalia, T2 Wasteland, what does the rest of the list look like?

The thing is that Root Maze is terrible late game, but this thing - at minimum - is a body.

[Richard Arschmann]

How does this Thalia stop early aggro? She comes down T3 when Goyf is a 3/4, Delver is a flipped flyer, and Reality Smasher is a big dumb Tonka truck that just drives over her like a GI Joe in a sandbox

[MGB]

I think this is also a great thing to drop on turn 1. If you want to threaten T1 Chrome Mox, Sol Land, Thalia, T2 Wasteland, what does the rest of the list look like?

The thing is that Root Maze is terrible late game, but this thing - at minimum - is a body.

I have an Ancient Tomb + City of Traitors + Chrome Mox Soldier Stompy list that played 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and 4 Winter Orb maindeck that was already sort of competitive (cashed a few big tournaments with it), and throwing this new Root Maze soldier in the mix with Winter Orb and the original Thalia just seems like it could be really disruptive.

Getting this creature into play off Chrome Mox + Sol-Land and/or off Preeminent Captain is alot faster than getting it into play with any other deck. And Winter Orb + this Thalia is just nasty.

[thedogue]

How does this Thalia stop early aggro? She comes down T3 when Goyf is a 3/4, Delver is a flipped flyer, and Reality Smasher is a big dumb Tonka truck that just drives over her like a GI Joe in a sandbox

True. I should clarify - she's good at stopping little aggro creatures. Maybe good against zoo, merefolk, ground tokens, burn deck creatures (assuming they haven't fried her yet), and some affinity... (although by turn 3...)

I do like that Eiganjo Castle helps her avoid bolt.

[thefringthing]

little aggro creaturesYou mean the kind of creatures that haven't been playable in Legacy for about five years?

[rufus]

...
Getting this creature into play off Chrome Mox + Sol-Land and/or off Preeminent Captain is alot faster than getting it into play with any other deck. And Winter Orb + this Thalia is just nasty.

If you're using up cards for fast mana and resistors, are you going to have enough to take advantage of Captain's ability too? I'd expect the resistor plan to be better with 'value' bodies like stoneforge mystic or eldrazi displacer or resistor bodies like mindcensor and thalia's horse than with 'acceleration' bodies like the captain.

[thedogue]

You mean the kind of creatures that haven't been playable in Legacy for about five years?

I was referring to the Modern and Constructed format.

When I've run hate bearers or a death and taxes build, zoo and early burn aggro decks can be a weakness to a deck in which most early creature drops are lock pieces that you really don't want to be blocking with -- and people can attack me all they want for mentioning that, doesn't detract away from her being awesome.

As for other kinds of aggro? At least she turns off haste.

I do think she has a spot in Legacy - but not for all the reasons I mentioned before...

[Tilde]

Under the current New World Order where everything is simplified, recycled and made more expensive than the old, iconic version? Good luck with that one...

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/cardfight/images/f/f4/A-Third-of-Leads-Are-Not-Getting-Called-Back-skeleton-waiting-image.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151204065950

New World Order? What does reduced complexity at common have to do with the quality of Standard?

[TsumiBand]

New World Order? What does reduced complexity at common have to do with the quality of Standard?

NWO is just the perennial whipping boy people flog whenever there's a Magic Thing that they don't like. Either all of these people don't know that it strictly applies to common cards or they don't care? Because it's cool to hate the things you like? Not sure.

[Emo]

Does the new Thalia mean Dryad Arbor comes into play doubly tapped?

[thedogue]

Does the new Thalia mean Dryad Arbor comes into play doubly tapped?

Actually the double taps cancel each other out and it untaps the Arbor. It's a rule loop-hole Wizards needs to work on.

[Barook]

Actually the double taps cancel each other out and it untaps the Arbor. It's a rule loop-hole Wizards needs to work on.
Only on MTGO - and it's stupid enough to actually be bugged in some kind of way.

[thedogue]

Only on MTGO - and it's stupid enough to actually be bugged in some kind of way.

I guess my joke was sadly somewhat accurate....

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Supplanter of Identity
2UU
Creature - Shapeshifter
Whenever Supplanter of Identity attacks you may exile another target non-token creature. If you do, Supplanter of Identity becomes a copy of that creature until the end of the turn. Return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the begining of the next end step.
0/3

Probably the worst clone alltime!

[Barook]

Supplanter of Identity
2UU
Creature - Shapeshifter
Whenever Supplanter of Identity attacks you may exile another target non-token creature. If you do, Supplanter of Identity becomes a copy of that creature until the end of the turn. Return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the begining of the next end step.
0/3

Probably the worst clone alltime!
Not necessarily - it can remove a fat blocker or can be used or flicker shenanigans with your own EtB triggers. Not Legacy-playable, though, unless I miss something.

[Darkenslight]

Not necessarily - it can remove a fat blocker or can be used or flicker shenanigans with your own EtB triggers. Not Legacy-playable, though, unless I miss something.

Copy your Emrakul? It seems like a pretty savage hoser against Show and Tell.

[Dice_Box]

Exile Sundering Titan... Or just about anything else.

[PirateKing]

Copy your Emrakul? It seems like a pretty savage hoser against Show and Tell.

Well not really. You attack, copy and exile thier Emmy, hit them for 15 and wipe their lands, then what, pass the turn? They get their Emmy back, you have a 0/3 to lose on their swing, and now you have nothing any they have a 15/15.

[Octopusman]

Copy your Emrakul? It seems like a pretty savage hoser against Show and Tell.

Pretty sure the Annihilator wouldn't trigger, aye?

[Barook]

Pretty sure the Annihilator wouldn't trigger, aye?
The way it's worded, I don't think you get Annihilator since the Emrakul copy is already attacking, thus missing the trigger opportunity.

[Crimhead]

NWO is just the perennial whipping boy people flog whenever there's a Magic Thing that they don't like. Either all of these people don't know that it strictly applies to common cards or they don't care? Because it's cool to hate the things you like? Not sure.
New World Order is the poster child for the recent design trend (beginning with Lorwyn; before NWO was officially announced) to coddle new players and shelter them from feel bad losses. People use the term to refer to this new take on design.

Maybe we should just say 'newb world order'. Would that make you happier?

New Thalia is disgusting. As if D&T were not good enough already? Time to get me some Flashfires for Lands I guess.


That's amazing. I think I am going to finish DnT now.
Traitor!

[Megadeus]

New clone is actually completely terrible against emrakul.

[Amon Amarth]

New Thalia looks like a shoe-in for D&T. This thing really hoses the crap out of Sneak and Show too.

[Barook]

New Thalia looks like a shoe-in for D&T. This thing really hoses the crap out of Sneak and Show too.
Except they can still EoT Sneak Attack, untap their fatty and wreck you.

[Richard Cheese]

Does it bother anyone else that they tried to create all this buildup towards a big reveal in SOI and Emrakul is the FIRST GODDAMN CARD to get spoiled in the next set? It was painfully obvious that it would be Emrakul, but sweet zombie Jesus we've barely had time to sacrifice a single clue and they're all "GUYS IT'S EMRAKUL!! ARE YOU SURPRISED?!?! GUYS!?"

I guess with the superfriends-focus on storytelling, it was Jace's mystery to solve and not ours anyway.

[Vicar in a tutu]

Except they can still EoT Sneak Attack, untap their fatty and wreck you.
And then when they untap, you bounce their Emrakul with Karakas. New Thalia makes it easier to get the "hard lock" against Sneak & Show. Before they could just Sneak Emrakul out again after being bounced by Karakas.

[rufus]

Not necessarily - it can remove a fat blocker or can be used or flicker shenanigans with your own EtB triggers. Not Legacy-playable, though, unless I miss something.

I think the cc is too high to hardcast, and the body is too weak to justify cheating it into play. It *almost* has a game-winning synergy with Medomai the Ageless.

[thedogue]

Does it bother anyone else that they tried to create all this buildup towards a big reveal in SOI and Emrakul is the FIRST GODDAMN CARD to get spoiled in the next set? It was painfully obvious that it would be Emrakul, but sweet zombie Jesus we've barely had time to sacrifice a single clue and they're all "GUYS IT'S EMRAKUL!! ARE YOU SURPRISED?!?! GUYS!?"

I guess with the superfriends-focus on storytelling, it was Jace's mystery to solve and not ours anyway.

I completely agree. I mean they based an entire mechanic around uncovering the mystery.
For god's sakes make it the very last spoil -- would've been much more interesting. I thought that's why they were marketing the set and cards that way...

Jokes on us and Marit Lage ends up still being spoiled last and is twice as powerful as the flying spaghetti monster. Touché Wizards... Touché....

[Tantarus]

Does it bother anyone else that they tried to create all this buildup towards a big reveal in SOI and Emrakul is the FIRST GODDAMN CARD to get spoiled in the next set? It was painfully obvious that it would be Emrakul, but sweet zombie Jesus we've barely had time to sacrifice a single clue and they're all "GUYS IT'S EMRAKUL!! ARE YOU SURPRISED?!?! GUYS!?"


Well the set symbol pretty much gives it away regardless so why not just do it? Honestly I am surprised they kept it unwraps this long, they didn't want another colorless mana symbol kozlik spoiler. I get the feeling you would find fault with it no matter what they did to be honest. Some people are never happy.

[jrsthethird]

New Clone, bad vs. Emrakul, great vs. Marit Lage.

[Koby]

New Clone, bad vs. Emrakul, great vs. Marit Lage.

"non-token"

[Richard Cheese]

Well the set symbol pretty much gives it away regardless so why not just do it? Honestly I am surprised they kept it unwraps this long, they didn't want another colorless mana symbol kozlik spoiler. I get the feeling you would find fault with it no matter what they did to be honest. Some people are never happy.

Well remember it was Wizards that complained that leaking those spoilers early hurt the Magic community by taking away all the excitement and build-up to a big reveal (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/why-leaks-hurt-2015-12-16).

You're right that the set symbol is a pretty big giveaway though, and it's not like anyone was expecting anything else after the last block. It's like they brought out Neil Pert and Alex Lifeson, then announced a "mysterious special guest" would be joining them. Well of course it's fucking Geddy Lee. I just think it's ironic that 6 months ago they were bitching about how important the slow reveal of spoiler season was, and now they just drop presumably the biggest spoiler of the set on day 1. Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit and Emrakul is just a giant, mythic, overpowered distraction, or like thedogue said, just setting the stage for the return of Marit Lage.

[.Ix]

You're right that the set symbol is a pretty big giveaway though, and it's not like anyone was expecting anything else after the last block. It's like they brought out Neil Pert and Alex Lifeson, then announced a "mysterious special guest" would be joining them. Well of course it's fucking Geddy Lee.

I have to sig this!

[Lemnear]

Marit Lage? I think you set your hopes too high. "Liliana, The Last Hope" will team up with Jace in a dumb love Story and their UNITED POWER OF LOVE will wipe out Avacyn/Emrakul/MaritLage so everyone is happy ever after with some help of random Planeswalkers #MTGstorylines #qualitywriting #JaceSavesTheDay #PlaneswalkerSuperBros

[Megadeus]

You're right that the set symbol is a pretty big giveaway though, and it's not like anyone was expecting anything else after the last block. It's like they brought out Neil Pert and Alex Lifeson, then announced a "mysterious special guest" would be joining them. Well of course it's fucking Geddy Lee.

Perfection.

[Parcher]

You're right that the set symbol is a pretty big giveaway though, and it's not like anyone was expecting anything else after the last block. It's like they brought out Neil Pert and Alex Lifeson, then announced a "mysterious special guest" would be joining them. Well of course it's fucking Geddy Lee.

In the absence of Pinder, I'm going to award TWO Lesbian points for this. One for the awesome analogy, and the second for any Rush reference.

[ESG]

Marit Lage? I think you set your hopes too high. "Liliana, The Last Hope" will team up with Jace in a dumb love Story and their UNITED POWER OF LOVE will wipe out Avacyn/Emrakul/MaritLage so everyone is happy ever after with some help of random Planeswalkers #MTGstorylines #qualitywriting #JaceSavesTheDay #PlaneswalkerSuperBros

This made me involuntarily shudder with dread. But I don't think WOTC would go there because then how would the plot move on to Kaladesh? I think we're safe from that level of Hollywood cheese, but I fully expect it if the Magic movie ever comes to pass.

[jrsthethird]

Well remember it was Wizards that complained that leaking those spoilers early hurt the Magic community by taking away all the excitement and build-up to a big reveal (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/why-leaks-hurt-2015-12-16).

The thing was, the Kozilek spoilers were super early, and more importantly not on WOTC's terms. Also, Emrakul was all but a lock for this set, while with OGW I'm sure we expected a Titan (Kozilek or Emrakul), but I don't think anyone was expecting an entire new mana symbol. This, combined with WOTC's scheduled release plan, meant that there was 2-3 weeks of speculation on the symbol before anyone could confirm what it actually meant. The Kozilek was bigger than just "we knew Emmy was coming". It was a major new change that not only affected the new set, but also cards from the past 22 years, and WOTC didn't get to roll that out themselves.

[Darkenslight]

Marit Lage? I think you set your hopes too high. "Liliana, The Last Hope" will team up with Jace in a dumb love Story and their UNITED POWER OF LOVE will wipe out Avacyn/Emrakul/MaritLage so everyone is happy ever after with some help of random Planeswalkers #MTGstorylines #qualitywriting #JaceSavesTheDay #PlaneswalkerSuperBros

Nah, it's gonna be a Chandra/Liliana Love-in; Jace is just a distraction for Emrakul, while Lili throws flaming zombies at Emrakul and Tamiyo turns into the Moon to look after Emrakul. Because, apparently, Jace is incapable of understanding how Not to Mess with the Blind Eternities.

[CptHaddock]

With eldritch moon it seems like they are changing how mindslaver type effects work, you can now no longer look at any of the cards in your opponents sideboard even if you cast a wish spell.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4pplrm/rules_update_controlling_another_player_and/)



"During a game, players may look at their own sideboard and the sideboard of any players they currently control. The sideboard must remain clearly distinguishable from other cards."
As of Eldritch Moon, this rule is changing. Simply put, you can now never see an opponent's sideboard, even if you control that opponent. The exact language of the rule is being finalized.

[Lemnear]

With eldritch moon it seems like they are changing how mindslaver type effects work, you can now no longer look at any of the cards in your opponents sideboard even if you cast a wish spell.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4pplrm/rules_update_controlling_another_player_and/)

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/649/OK_thumb.png

So ... how do I resolve an opponents Wish without looking at their sideboard?

[Dice_Box]

So ... how do I resolve an opponents Wish without looking at their sideboard?


If you force a player you're controlling to cast a "Wish," you can't have them access any cards in their sideboard. If you make them cast Death Wish, the same rule applies: no cards, even at random sight unseen.
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4pplrm/rules_update_controlling_another_player_and/

[apple713]

With eldritch moon it seems like they are changing how mindslaver type effects work, you can now no longer look at any of the cards in your opponents sideboard even if you cast a wish spell.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4pplrm/rules_update_controlling_another_player_and/)

Its not that much of an informational advantage because for the most part, you probably already know how your opponent is going to board against you.

[alderon666]

Its not that much of an informational advantage because for the most part, you probably already know how your opponent is going to board against you.

Being a combo player myself, knowing if your opponent is siding in permanent-based hate or just "moar counterspells" is a great advantage.

Lost many games to opponents having a split between Relic of Progenitus and Rest in Peace.

Shit, I can even remember a game that I lost because the opponent had 1x Nihil Spellbomb, 1x Extirpate and 1x Surgical Extraction. I went off turn 0 and was met with Surgical Extraction on Griselbrand.

[thecrav]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4pplrm/rules_update_controlling_another_player_and/

Post has since been removed so maybe they're rolling this one back.

[Brael]

Post has since been removed so maybe they're rolling this one back.

They probably just don't want to post the announcement until the official rules update.

[Noctalor]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516359_10201735147216903_2681021522188516895_n.jpg?oh=7f5e82fc9c9f6cdeb79fff969085c890&oe=57F0DB2E
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13507108_10201735146896895_1787021408474290675_n.jpg?oh=48ff37c711a07f0b811d491243cba4aa&oe=580B0E80


I refuse to believe they are going to print this garbage, this is far too much.

[Phoenix Ignition]

<Meld pics>

I refuse to believe they are going to print this garbage, this is far too much.

Actually of all the new mechanics they've had I kind of like this one. I always wanted an Exodia in Magic, and the Kaldra set wasn't Megazord enough for me. It'll make some interesting cube cards probably.

[TsumiBand]

Yeah whatever man, Meld looks cool. Literal Voltron assemblage incoming, ha

Edit - pretty much guarantees that the Bruna-Gisela art is gonna be a great big Meld guy, right

[Barook]

So that is the reason why they need Liliana to save the day - to have member #5.


"By the powers combined, I'm Captain Gatewatch."

http://captainplanet.me/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/feature_image_1b.jpg

[Echelon]

So... Big Furry Monster is going to be a thing..? Wow.

[Kagehisa]

Hello ! I'm late but am I the only one surprised that Emrakul 2 doesn't have colorless (not generic) mana in its cost ? Something like 11 <><> ? Was the 13 mana cost that important so that it matches with the 13/13 stats ?

I really hope they print equipments with this new mechanic ! Imagine 2 living weapons that get a black artifact-creature ! Lol

More seriously, maybe... it will suffer the same probleme as auras. You risk a 2 for 1.

[UseLess]

What's up with that Endbringer thing? It looks like it is shaped as two cards, but the white cirkel and new P/T (8/8 instead of 5/5?) weren't on the original one?

[Lemnear]

Double faced Voltron cards!?

I admit, I am just here to see how deep the game design can sink.

[Noctalor]

What's up with that Endbringer thing? It looks like it is shaped as two cards, but the white cirkel and new P/T (8/8 instead of 5/5?) weren't on the original one?

That's a test print, there are plenty of them and not every single feature in them ends being in the finish product.

Also most of the last batch of test print are based on random cards, so you shouldn't pay much attention at the card being and endbringer.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Whatever... Meld is just the new way WotC is spelling Kicker. :wink:


I'll admit Meld strikes me as an interesting mechanic, however I will be (at least initially) disappointed if the melded result requires more than a single, normal sized card to represent it.

[TsumiBand]

Whatever... Meld is just the new way WotC is spelling Kicker. :wink:


I'll admit Meld strikes me as an interesting mechanic, however I will be (at least initially) disappointed if the melded result requires more than a single, normal sized card to represent it.

But we kind of do this all the time already, right -- or at least we do it implicitly. In a direct sense, stuff like Auras and Equipment is attached to the creature. Indirectly, I notice it's common to pair up permanent types frequently, like... pairing two Swamps with a Cabal Coffers, or the land you tap to turn Mishra's Factory into a 2/2. Like it isn't really an uncommon spectacle to have cards physically paired, at least in this way they are paired a little more intentionally. I don't think it's really such a bad thing if we have stacked cards representing a Devastator in play.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Don't get me wrong, I thought the Danger Room (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/5033971235_a32d6407dd.jpg) from X-Men cards was cool as shit! But most of us aren't playing with cards right out of packs. They go in a perfect fit and then get wedged into a Dragon Shield with an opaque back. Having to flip and assemble multiple cards just to have your opponent tap a plains to deal with it is super annoying.

[TsumiBand]

Don't get me wrong, I thought the Danger Room (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/5033971235_a32d6407dd.jpg) from X-Men cards was cool as shit! But most of us aren't playing with cards right out of packs. They go in a perfect fit and then get wedged into a Dragon Shield with an opaque back. Having to flip and assemble multiple cards just to have your opponent tap a plains to deal with it is super annoying.

Sounds like the real culprit here is Swords to Plowshares, kappa

[Dice_Box]

I don't see this mechanic playing a role in Legacy. You can let this one slip past everyone, yes it is silly but it's also likely to be as impactful as Sera Angel is now.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

This sounds awesome in limited. Draft 2-3 rats and 1-2 Scavengers. You have some early drops, some midgame value AND probably a BOMB if melded. Now you only need some removal and you have the prefect limited deck!

[Whitefaces]

This sounds awesome in limited. Draft 2-3 rats and 1-2 Scavengers. You have some early drops, some midgame value AND probably a BOMB if melded. Now you only need some removal and you have the prefect limited deck!

My thoughts exactly, sounds like a great mechanic for limited. WotC have mentioned a few times they're big fans of low cmc creatures that scale.

[rufus]

Hello ! I'm late but am I the only one surprised that Emrakul 2 doesn't have colorless (not generic) mana in its cost ? Something like 11 <><> ?

IIRC There was some blather about "not enough design space" for colorless mana to be an ongoing or evergreen thing, so, at least for a short while, we'll probably only see it on mana sources going forward.

Edit:
I'm a little curious to see what the meld cards and rules will be like. There may be some features to offset the automatic 2-for-1 that we expect them to represent.

[Sidneyious]

This sounds awesome in limited. Draft 2-3 rats and 1-2 Scavengers. You have some early drops, some midgame value AND probably a BOMB if melded. Now you only need some removal and you have the prefect limited deck!

99% of new cards are limited.

[supremePINEAPPLE]

IIRC There was some blather about "not enough design space" for colorless mana to be an ongoing or evergreen thing, so, at least for a short while, we'll probably only see it on mana sources going forward.

Edit:
I'm a little curious to see what the meld cards and rules will be like. There may be some features to offset the automatic 2-for-1 that we expect them to represent.I would guess that they give the pushed ones some form of trigger that occurs when the cards meld like a lot of transform cards have to help offset being 2-for-1'd. I'm hoping there is at least one legacy-playable example, it's always cool when weird mechanics show up in the older formats.

EDIT: Just like this, screw the haters, I like this mechanic.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_zAcg6EE4sc.png

These also seem like there will be a lot of horrors so I'm hoping for something sweet to play alongside Thing in the Ice. Horror tribal baby!

[Ace/Homebrew]

Well... looks like I get to be disappointed!
The puzzle piece contraptions are confirmed...

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_pURGNFqt1U.png + http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_uJGVW5UTRn.png = http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_3MOSiS74XX.png

[supremePINEAPPLE]

New cost reduction mechanic was spoiled too, could be some potential here with the delve creatures if they print something nice but it's gotta be good to sac one of those guys.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_QDAyzUCz4P.png

[rufus]

New cost reduction mechanic was spoiled too, could be some potential here with the delve creatures if they print something nice but it's gotta be good to sac one of those guys...

Other cost reduction like affinity, unearth, and Eye of Ugin could also work.

So, for example you can play Eye of Ugin + U -> Eldrazi Skyspawner + scion -> sac both for Wretched Gryff. (This is probably not worth a 3/4 with flying and a card, but it looks a little silly.)

[Darkenslight]

So, we have multi-cards from Duel Masters, a reworked offering mechanic from Betrayers of Kamigawa, and renamed Entwine.

yaaaay. :cry:

[Lemnear]

So, we have multi-cards from Duel Masters, a reworked offering mechanic from Betrayers of Kamigawa, and renamed Entwine.

yaaaay. :cry:

Eldrazi and creature-combine-mechanics ... someone call me if WotC decides to print MtG cards again and stops mimicing YuGiOh

[Que]

Eldrazi and creature-combine-mechanics ... someone call me if WotC decides to print MtG cards again and stops mimicing YuGiOh

Thats what I was thinking as well. Are these "meld" Creatures supposed to be "Fusion" monsters? :/

[Barook]

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/giselathebrokenblade.jpg

I really, really wish she had 4 toughness to make her bolt-proof. Because otherwise, her stats are really great.

[iatee]

They made her not-bolt-proof for a reason, she'd be borderline too-good otherwise.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Looks like Gisna, the Eldrazi Angel is a 9/10. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Bruna and the meld-monster.

The flavor text bothers me...
Is not better it written "Now she only hears Emrakul's murmurs."?

[wcm8]

New cost reduction mechanic was spoiled too, could be some potential here with the delve creatures if they print something nice but it's gotta be good to sac one of those guys.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_QDAyzUCz4P.png

I think that unless one of these dudes straight-up wins the game on its own, it's unlikely to be worth it (at least in Legacy). I mean, you already have to go through a fair number of hoops just to get your Gurmag Angler on the table in the first place; sacrificing it just to get another creature seems like a poor trade *unless* said creature is a game-ender. Then again, maybe there's something that's aggressively costed that could see play. I also think that they might be tacking on 'draw a card' or some other similar replacement effect on ALL of them to make up for the sacrificed creature, so maybe these have potential beyond Limited.

[kirkusjones]

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/giselathebrokenblade.jpg + http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/brunathefadinglight.jpg = http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/briselavoiceofnightmares.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02696/Hello_Ladies_2696986b.jpg

[Megadeus]

New White Charm looks sick. Maverick now has a non terrible way to deal with a true name that also gets to come in against burn and delver

[Ace/Homebrew]

I now care not about Emrakul's angel.

[Barook]

New cost reduction mechanic was spoiled too, could be some potential here with the delve creatures if they print something nice but it's gotta be good to sac one of those guys.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_QDAyzUCz4P.png
Can you pay the emerge cost with Cavern of Souls? I guess so, but just to be sure.

[wcm8]

Too bad you can't just Reanimate the melded Angel creature. That ability is SICK, there are very few ways of getting out of that mess. Not to mention having a 9/10 flying, vigilant first-striking life-linker.

[Cire]

Man I like Meld a whole lot but I can't even imagine how good the individual cards will have to be or how good the melded form will have to be for me to ever see it being run in a legacy deck.

[Ace/Homebrew]

Was there ever any clarity given on what the CMC of a melded creature is?

I skimmed the Daily MtG articles earlier and believe I read that only 3 melded creatures are in this set (Chittering something, Hanwier whatever, and Eldrazi Angel make 3). So judging from what we've seen, Meld will never come up in anything other than Limited and Standard (and EDH I guess...).

[H]

Looks like Gisna, the Eldrazi Angel is a 9/10. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Bruna and the meld-monster.

The flavor text bothers me...
Is not better it written "Now she only hears Emrakul's murmurs."?

There is a subtle difference in what each of those mean though.

"She now hears only Emrakul's murmurs." Implies she heard other mumurs in the past, but now only Emrakul's.

"Now she only hears Emrakul's murmurs." Implies that she can only hear Emrakul now and could be interpreted that that is literally the only thing she can hear.

I mean, it's whatever and both give you the gist, but there is a difference, however small.

[Ace/Homebrew]

There is a subtle difference in what each of those mean though.
Yaaaaay! Semantics. :tongue:


"She now hears only Emrakul's murmurs." Implies she heard other mumurs in the past, but now only Emrakul's.
The same can be said for the statement below. Now "she only hears Emrakul's murmurs" implies she heard other stuff before.


"Now she only hears Emrakul's murmurs." Implies that she can only hear Emrakul now and could be interpreted that that is literally the only thing she can hear.
Similarly, the original statement implies the only thing she hears is Emrakul...


I think we need an English major to diagram out those two sentences.

[supremePINEAPPLE]

Was there ever any clarity given on what the CMC of a melded creature is?

I skimmed the Daily MtG articles earlier and believe I read that only 3 melded creatures are in this set (Chittering something, Hanwier whatever, and Eldrazi Angel make 3). So judging from what we've seen, Meld will never come up in anything other than Limited and Standard (and EDH I guess...).Sum of the melded cards.

https://twitter.com/TabakRules/status/747448917923508224

[Cire]

Wait I'm hearing there are going to be 3 meld cards? So we already seen all this mechanic offers? :cry:

[H]

I think we need an English major to diagram out those two sentences.

Yeah, I don't know, I sure as hell am not an English major. It reads slightly different to me, but what the hell do I know?

[Barook]

Sum of the melded cards.

https://twitter.com/TabakRules/status/747448917923508224
Now I wonder what I could have done to piss Tabak off enough to block me. Others (like Robert Schuster) I could see, but I don't even care about this guy. :eyebrow:

Edit: I guess it wasn't the foiling process - the coloring of the new Thalia does instead look terrible.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl-GU16UYAALRqL.png:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl-JWxCUkAA4Xt3.png
Would have prefered a 2/2 for :1::w::w:. :rolleyes:

[Octopusman]

I'm very happy that the non-buy-a-box Thalia art is great. :smile:

[maraxusofkelds]

New cost reduction mechanic was spoiled too, could be some potential here with the delve creatures if they print something nice but it's gotta be good to sac one of those guys.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_QDAyzUCz4P.png


Why god why 7 mana? God this could have been so playable even at 5 mana.

[Barook]

I'm very happy that the non-buy-a-box Thalia art is great. :smile:
That looks alot better:

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/thaliahereticcathar.jpg

[MD.Ghost]

Why god why 7 mana? God this could have been so playable even at 5 mana.

Yes, beat Delver, Moon, Moat and Fly over Gofy. I hope we get a good rare with more power or simply cheaper.

[Finn]

As good as the Eldrazi angel is once it is on the battlefield, there appears to be no way to reasonably get it there. There are just so many hoops to jump through. I have never seen Magic make a card so inaccessible. Not even Elbrus is so iron-clad with red tape.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

As good as the Eldrazi angel is once it is on the battlefield, there appears to be no way to reasonably get it there. There are just so many hoops to jump through. I have never seen Magic make a card so inaccessible. Not even Elbrus is so iron-clad with red tape.

Well I guess you can just "cast" the angle :D

[ESG]

Well... looks like I get to be disappointed!
The puzzle piece contraptions are confirmed...

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_pURGNFqt1U.png + http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_uJGVW5UTRn.png = http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_3MOSiS74XX.png

Yuck. WOTC found a way to do worse than flip cards: half a flip card. It's like they already played Flip It or Rip It before we opened the pack.

[jrsthethird]

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_PQtY6WenXl.png

All this talk about unplayable new mechanics, no talk about a sweet 1-drop "threshold" guy that trades with almost every ground threat in the format. Goyf, Angler, Eldrazi, Mandrils, etc.

[PirateKing]

The fact that these triggers rely on the Creatures name makes for some interesting possibilities that I'm curious how they resolve.
In this set there alone, I could control the Meld land while you control the red half, I attack with the clone-on-attack guy, make him a copy, and now I've met all the requirements for the Meld, except the back of the card.
It'd be a shame if they updated the comprehensive rules to just say "yeah, but no"

[alphastryk]

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_PQtY6WenXl.png

All this talk about unplayable new mechanics, no talk about a sweet 1-drop "threshold" guy that trades with almost every ground threat in the format. Goyf, Angler, Eldrazi, Mandrils, etc.

I suspect that with this not having Shroud and Delirium being much harder to turn on than Threshold in Delver decks that it doesn't make the cut. Deathtouch isn't a great consolation prize.

[Ace/Homebrew]

No talk about a sweet 1-drop "threshold" guy that trades with almost every ground threat in the format?
That thing is pretty clearly a treefolk, which is annoying because the tribe could use a solid 1-drop.

Dryads are nymphs or spirits that live amongst or within trees.
This is pretty consistent in Magic lore, even as recently as Loam Dryad.



Edit - I guess there aren't any leaves on it... so that means it's not a tree?
Hmmmm... there aren't any leaves on the trees it's near either. :eyebrow:
I still say this thing is a treefolk.

[TsumiBand]

The fact that these triggers rely on the Creatures name makes for some interesting possibilities that I'm curious how they resolve.
In this set there alone, I could control the Meld land while you control the red half, I attack with the clone-on-attack guy, make him a copy, and now I've met all the requirements for the Meld, except the back of the card.
It'd be a shame if they updated the comprehensive rules to just say "yeah, but no"

I expect it's already taken care of. There are already rules in place about trying to transform cards that don't actually have another face, like... Clone can't be transformed by Moonmist if it were copying a Delver of Secrets, because it doesn't actually have Insectile Aberration on the other side. Probably, Meld will work the same way.

[Begle1]

That thing is pretty clearly a treefolk, which is annoying because the tribe could use a solid 1-drop.

Dryads are nymphs or spirits that live amongst or within trees.
This is pretty consistent in Magic lore, even as recently as Loam Dryad.

Edit - I guess there aren't any leaves on it... so that means it's not a tree?
Hmmmm... there aren't any leaves on the trees it's near either. :eyebrow:
I still say this thing is a treefolk.

Too bad it's not a treefolk even though the artist drew a treefolk, but I always love me a 1-drop deathtoucher in limited.

The red Meld card looks the best, and definitely will be annoying in Standard. The black one is good too, and the only one draftable. It's going to take some shenanigans for the white one to ever be good. (I guess I can start playing Stompy reanimator with Intuition and Victimize again? If I can Tooth and Nail, why not Tooth and Nail for an instawin combo?)

Thalia is freaking bonkers somewhere, and probably more than one place in every format.

Thalia's Lancers has tons of potential, it's an abusable tutor engine in white. Probably not Legacy though.

[rufus]

...
The red Meld card looks the best, and definitely will be annoying in Standard.
...

That red meld creature is pretty pushed on its own. I wouldn't count it out for modern.

The white meld would could work with Nahriri in standard: Hard cast Gisela, then cheat Bruna in, or hardcast Bruna late game.

I wonder how much they thought about the interaction between Identity Thief and the meld cards before printing them in the same set.

[kirkusjones]

http://http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/cryptolithfragment.html (http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/cryptolithfragment.html)

Anyone else see this as a reference to Lovecraft's "The Colour out of Space"? I know the Eldrazi themselves and Innistrad draws a lot from Lovecraft and the like, but I thought this was a cool little nod, if it was intentional.

[Richard Cheese]

That thing is pretty clearly a treefolk, which is annoying because the tribe could use a solid 1-drop.


http://i.imgur.com/AWnFkw6.jpg

[rufus]

...
It'd be a shame if they updated the comprehensive rules to just say "yeah, but no"

After watching the video, I'm guessing the rules will be written so that the cards have to have a matching pair of backs, both of which are part of the 'card' named in the ability. So, basically, no funny business.

...

If Oubliette hits a melded creature that has some aura attached to it, does the aura get attached to both pieces of the meld when it comes back?

[Richard Cheese]

After watching the video, I'm guessing the rules will be written so that the cards have to have a matching pair of backs, both of which are part of the 'card' named in the ability. So, basically, no funny business.

...

If Oubliette hits a melded creature that has some aura attached to it, does the aura get attached to both pieces of the meld when it comes back?

Also, when you blink a flipped card, it returns face-up, correct? So if you blink a Voltron, does it come back as individual cats? Like you could use Eldrazi Displacer to get the ETB triggers on Midnight Scavengers and Chittering host every turn? Do the robots come back tapped?

[kirkusjones]

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/unsubstantiate.jpg

This seems interesting. 1U too much though?

[Begle1]

Counterspell and creature bounce in one? Also has corner-case applications with Cast and Storm triggers.

Killer card... I think it would see tons of Legacy penetration at 1, probably at Spell Pierce or Pyroblast levels.

2 means you probably can't reliably use it to win a counter war. But still, so flexible. So tempo.

[Sidneyious]

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/unsubstantiate.jpg

This seems interesting. 1U too much though?
Color me impressed, no remand but it's not a counterspell so it will see much use for can't be countered stuff.

Maybe wotc is thinking about modern blue stuff.
But I can see it now, its a mistake and bans it immediately

[Koby]

There is so much effort in this set to "Meld" the design, but it only shows up on 3 rares, a mythic, and 2 black commons?
Color me jaded, but what's the fucking point of this design space if they literally burned it on hype?

This game is looking everyday more like YuGiOh.

[HdH_Cthulhu]

Seems fun with Isochron scepter! But yah like 100 other cards...
Maybe a card for storm vs heatbears?

[Megadeus]

Seems fun with Isochron scepter! But yah like 100 other cards...
Maybe a card for storm vs heatbears?

That is an interesting application. Flexible bounce for bears or counter for some reason to win a counter war. Maybe high tide plays it as a 1-2 of?

[TsumiBand]

I just want a deck full of heatbears now

"Crank the AC assholes, I'm playing mono-Bant Heatbears"

[joven]

Meld seems bad. Turning 2 cards in their sleeves and then trying to keep them together as one creature when tapping it and stuff. Also, that the Meld-creature is bigger than your other creatures looks weird.
And it's too much Yu-gi-oh (or something) and not MtG.



So, we have multi-cards from Duel Masters, a reworked offering mechanic from Betrayers of Kamigawa, and renamed Entwine.

yaaaay. :cry:

true


Counterspell and creature bounce in one? Also has corner-case applications with Cast and Storm triggers.


Spell-Bounce is not a counterspell. And this is not a Remand either.
Still, some combo-deck might find it useful.

[Fox]

It's a cool card, but I don't think it's beating out Submerge given the ability to shuffle away a Goyf. Reasonable card in a Snapcaster deck I guess.

Uncounterable spells it can hit which matter are Decay, your own Flusterstorm, potentially some eldrazi cast off a Cavern of Souls. I'm sure I've missed some, but the real tragedy is that it doesn't really stop [old] Emrakul.

[PirateKing]

Kind of neat on an Isochron Scepter since it can protect itself from Abrupt Decay, one of the primary weaknesses of the combo.
If counterbalance ever gets the ax, it'd be neat to see some no-stick build emerge.

[Sidneyious]

Kind of neat on an Isochron Scepter since it can protect itself from Abrupt Decay, one of the primary weaknesses of the combo.
If counterbalance ever gets the ax, it'd be neat to see some no-stick build emerge.
I'm surprised there isn't!

With my first literation of high tide the first night I tried it ibhad an opponent with a silence on a stick. It was tough but I powered through and beat him.

I tapped out his lands at end of turn because he was using the silencestick during my upkeep.

He had a counterspell he never used for some unknown reason but I had an answer to it.

I went off the next turn ftw.
Still no idea why he never used the counterspell.

[rufus]

FWIW, this page has some info regarding the new versions of kicker.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/eldritch-moon-mechanics-2016-06-27

[bruizar]

Brisela sure looks like a great reanimate / SNT target

[Lemnear]

Brisela sure looks like a great reanimate / SNT target

Except it doesn't work

[Darkenslight]

Two new spoilers:

Emrakul's Influence (name unconfirmed) :2: :g: :g:
Enchantment (u)
Whenever you cast an Eldrazi creature spell with CMC 7 or greater, draw two cards.


Docent of Perfection :3: :u: :u:
Creature - Insect Horror (r)
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 1/1 blue Human Wizard token onto the battlefield. Then, if you control three or more Wizards, transform ~.
5/4
////////
Final Iteration
Creature - Eldrazi Insect
Flying
Wizards you control get +2/+1 and have flying.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 1/1 blue Human Wizard creature token onto the battlefield.
6/5

I don't think either of them is really playable in Legacy, due to cost, but I could see both of them as possibles elsewhere.

EDIT: I a word on the green card. Fixed now.

[Barook]

So Docent of Perfection is basically SSJ3 Delver that shits out further Delvers. Kinda cool in terms in flavor.

A shame the flavor text on the front side isn't "And this is going even further beyond!"

[kirkusjones]

That name is horrible. All I can picture is an insect leading children and seniors through a museum. "Buzzbuzz and here we have a skeleton of the once thought to be extinct kavu. A very rare specimen donated by our wealthy Tolarian benefactor, one Mr. Urza. Excuse me, Squee, is it? The museum has a strict no touching policy. And we're walking, buzzbuzz."

[Echelon]

So Docent of Perfection is basically SSJ3 Delver that shits out further Delvers. Kinda cool in terms in flavor.

A shame the flavor text on the front side isn't "And this is going even further beyond!"

Flavor text on the back as semi-spoiler for future sets: "I still have two more transformations left!"

[Darkenslight]

That name is horrible. All I can picture is an insect leading children and seniors through a museum. "Buzzbuzz and here we have a skeleton of the once thought to be extinct kavu. A very rare specimen donated by our wealthy Tolarian benefactor, one Mr. Urza. Excuse me, Squee, is it? The museum has a strict no touching policy. And we're walking, buzzbuzz."

I'm altering this to be Rick when I get one (from Rick and Morty) and altering the back side to have all of the Mortys on it. Because that sounds about as perfect a fit as you can get.

[TsumiBand]

Docent of Perfection :3: :u: :u:
Creature - Insect Horror (r)
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 1/1 blue Human Wizard token onto the battlefield. Then, if you control three or more Wizards, transform ~.
5/4
////////
Final Iteration
Creature - Eldrazi Insect
Flying
Wizards you control get +2/+1 and have flying.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 1/1 blue Human Wizard creature token onto the battlefield.
6/5

I don't think either of them is really playable in Legacy, due to cost, but I could see both of them as possibles elsewhere.

EDIT: I a word on the green card. Fixed now.

Shoulda called it Final Sequence :(

[Echelon]

Another possible flavor text for the transformed side - "STOP BUGGING ME!".

[rufus]

Flavor text on the back as semi-spoiler for future sets: "I still have two more transformations left!"

Or "Now, to work out these contraptions..."

Making the "insectile aberration" into an eldrazi seems pretty poor from a flavor perspective.

FWIW, the back side is called "Closing Experiment" in German, so unless that translation is official the English name could still change.

[kirkusjones]

I'm altering this to be Rick when I get one (from Rick and Morty) and altering the back side to have all of the Mortys on it. Because that sounds about as perfect a fit as you can get.

Yessssss.

[Barook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmCAfdpWgAIgN7a.jpg

The front side actually has flavor text. Damn shame about that.

[Ephemeron]

Docent of Perfection is a stupid name, but I love the art as the reverse of Delver of Secrets with the insect doing the work and the human in the cage.

[Darkenslight]

Two new Wizards Spoilers:

Lone Rider :1: :w:
Creature - Human Knight (u)
First strike, lifelink
At the beginning of the end step, if you gained 3 or more life this turn, rransform ~.
1/1
/////////
It That Rides as One
First strike, trample, lifelink
4/4


Grizzled Angler :2: :u:
Creature - Human (u)
:symtap: : You mill 2, then if there's a colorless creature card in your graveyard, transform ~.
2/3
////////
Grisly Anglerfish
Creature - Eldrazi Fish
:6: : Creatures your opponents control attack this turn if able.
4/5

[wcm8]

Docent of Perfection is like a souped up version of Talrand, Sky Summoner. Vintage could potentially play this, as 5 mana is more do-able in a format with stuff like Black Lotus and Sol Ring, but honestly 1 mana can make or break a card.

In Legacy, 5 mana for a creature is kind of a hard sell. *But*, decks like Reanimator could cheat on the cost. That deck plays Grave Titan as a threat to get around Edict effects. This guy requires you to follow up with some spells but has a similar effect that's arguably more powerful. Also, in a longer game Docent is more feasibly hard-cast than Titan, and being Blue makes it so he can pitch to Force of Will.

[Barook]

Probably outclassed by Talrand, but interesting nonetheless, as it still has Prowness:

http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/idBN4s1aZB.png

Lone Rider is kinda interesting, but probably more playable in Modern. One would need equipment, pump or Exalted to realistically trigger it. Or a Lightning Helix.

[Cire]

Oh. . . and they reprinted accumulated knowledge as a sorcery :cry:

[rufus]

Oh. . . and they reprinted accumulated knowledge as a sorcery :cry:

Yep, and they made an awful sorcery speed analogue of flame burst. Smells like an incoming cycle.

[Emo]

Yep, and they made an awful sorcery speed analogue of flame burst. Smells like an incoming cycle.

It's not sorcery speed and it only hits creatures but yes, its pretty bad,

Does Lone rider make the cut in modern? It's not great as a 1/1 but 4/4 lifelink, trample and first strike for a 2 mana investment ain't too shabby

[Cire]

Does Lone rider make the cut in modern? It's not great as a 1/1 but 4/4 lifelink, trample and first strike for a 2 mana investment ain't too shabby

Turn 2 Lone Rider, Turn 3 Lightning Helix, attack with 4/4 lifelink seems like a brutal opening and it isn't that cristmas-landy.

[Megadeus]

Turn 2 Lone Rider, Turn 3 Lightning Helix, attack with 4/4 lifelink seems like a brutal opening and it isn't that cristmas-landy.

Except that doesn't work because wizards makes shitty cards and it only triggers its flip ability at the end step

[Cire]

Except that doesn't work because wizards makes shitty cards and it only triggers its flip ability at the end step

Ooof. . . that . . . is bad

[Darkenslight]

Except that doesn't work because wizards makes shitty cards and it only triggers its flip ability at the end step

It's sort of doable in a Turbo-Pump deck, though, as it triggers on each end-step, rather than just yours.

[MaximumC]

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/unsubstantiate.jpg

This seems interesting. 1U too much though?

This is the first card from the set that I'm legitimately excited about. It's such a wonky toolbox of effects!

It's an out to cheaty decks like Tinker / Oath / Show and Tell / Sneak Attack!
It's removal for angel tokens and Marit Lage!
It's a hard counter if they used an expendable resource to cast the spell (ritual, blue card pitching to force, wtvr)
It's sometimes Delay on critical early turns!
It stops spells that cannot be countered! (One turn late on your Abrupt Decay = gg)
It punishes cards you cast as Miracles really hilariously!
It lets you save your own critical spell from a counterspell!
It plays funny games with Storm count and Mentor tokens!

It will need a very particular metagame / kind of deck to shine, but bow howdy this is going in the Vintage / Legacy playable box for sure.

[iatee]

It's hard to say how much value the bounce effect adds, but Remand - which is significantly stronger as a counterspell (drawing a card is worth not hitting decay) isn't legacy playable. A 2 mana unsummon isn't particularly exciting either. I think card advantage being so precious and mana being so tight in legacy it's just hard to imagine this seeing much play. If it were one mana, sure, it'd be pretty exciting, but paying 2 mana to go down a card just doesn't seem like it's gonna cut it.

[Lemnear]

It That Rides as One
First strike, trample, lifelink
4/4


I knew it: Its secretly the 4th Kamigawa set!

[Ace/Homebrew]

I don't think it will see Vintage/Legacy play because the flavor text is gross...

[MaximumC]

It's hard to say how much value the bounce effect adds, but Remand - which is significantly stronger as a counterspell (drawing a card is worth not hitting decay) isn't legacy playable. A 2 mana unsummon isn't particularly exciting either. I think card advantage being so precious and mana being so tight in legacy it's just hard to imagine this seeing much play. If it were one mana, sure, it'd be pretty exciting, but paying 2 mana to go down a card just doesn't seem like it's gonna cut it.

Yes, but a four-mana brainstorm is really bad too, right? And then again Jace, the Mindsculptor.

Flexibility is key here. This card is useful in more situations than Remand -- or any other counterspell. It's useful not only when you need to stop a spell, but also when you need to deal with a permanent or stop an UNCOUNTERABLE spell. In exchange, it's slightly less useful against most spells as compared to a hard counter. It's more flexible and less absolute than played cards.

We've seen this before. Wizards has been on overdrive of printing good variants on counterspells in the last five years. We got Spell Pierce, Flusterstorm, Mindbreak Trap, Swan Song and others. This card easily fits somewhere in that group.

[iatee]

The average mana cost for those 4 spells is .75. This is a tempo card and tempo decks play with super super tight curves in legacy. They play 0 mana counterspells and occasionally 1 mana counterspells. Only hard control decks can afford to play 2 mana actual-Counterspell, and it's still never a full package. And hard control decks aren't going to play bad-Remand.

I suspect this won't even see much Modern play, but it's more viable in that format where curves aren't as tight and the board matters more. (And I will play this all the time in limited.)

[TsumiBand]

Lone Rider might be... okay in like, Soul Sisters? :/ That's not a Legacy deck last I knew but it seems like it's still kicking in Modern. It would be fairly academic to transform it the turn it was played in a deck like that, but I think maybe there are better things to do in said decks. Maybe if you don't need an Auriok Champion you could just jam a 4/4 instead. I dunno. Yay weird white cards

[Echelon]

@Tsumi: Siege Rhino!

[Barook]

A Batterskull hit would also turn it on, but then again, you already an active Batterskull at that point.

3x Ooze (or 2x + combat damage) would flip it, too. Or combat damage + DRS life gain.

[TsumiBand]

@Tsumi: Siege Rhino!

Did you mean: Rhox War Monk

T1: Noble Hierarch
T2: RWM
T3: Attack for 4, gain 4, play Lone Rider, it transforms EOT
T4: Who cares, you won, pizzas for everyone

[Megadeus]

Sounds like a lot of hoops for a bad Tarmogoyf

[MaximumC]

Sounds like a lot of hoops for a bad Tarmogoyf

Well, or a good Ajani's Pridemate. I mean, for what that's worth.

[rufus]

Lone Rider has lifelink, so you can make it work with pump effects like Mutagenic Growth or Rancor.

Edit: 2 life from a Deathrite Shaman would work too.

[TsumiBand]

Sounds like a lot of hoops for a bad Tarmogoyf

You saw the part where everybody gets pizza, right?

[HdH_Cthulhu]

They already call him Meme Rider, in the end its a guy that gets beaten buy Squire .

[Scott]

Tree gone bad

http://i.imgur.com/9tf5y0q.png

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/isd/207.jpg

[Barook]

I wondered how the new Tree could be abused best, but then I remembered Triskaidekaphobia is a thing.

Awesome.

Probably too expensive and slow to be Legacy-playable, despite being a two-card combo, but might see play in Standard and Modern.

[Echelon]

Probably too expensive and slow to be Legacy-playable, despite being a two-card combo, but might see play in Standard and Modern.

It's in within the spectrum of what Nic Fit can cast... And the tree can't be wreck by Bolt/AD. So vs. decks that run white just use Sylvan Safekeeper to protect it.

Probably too much The Danger Of Cool Things but a guy can dream, right?