Eternal Extravaganza 5 - 20k Legacy Event - October 16 - Baltimore, MD

[EEMagic]

Eternal Extravaganza 5 will be October 15 & 16, 2016, in Baltimore, MD!

https://www.facebook.com/talesofadventurecomics/videos/636359263198445/

Date: Sunday, October 16, 2016
Time: 10:00 AM; registration opens at 9:00 AM
Location: Radisson Hotel Downtown Baltimore-Inner Harbor
Format: Legacy
Event Fee: $60

Event website: EEMagic.com
Event hashtag: #EE5mtg
Live coverage: EEMagic.com/Live
TO homepage: TOAMagic.com

Location:
Radisson Hotel Baltimore Downtown-Inner Harbor
Presented by Tales of Adventure Comics and Games, LLC
101 W Fayette St
Baltimore, MD 21201

1st Place: 1x Black Lotus, 1x Ancestral Recall, 1x Time Walk, 1x Timetwister
2nd Place: 1x Black Lotus
3rd-4th: 1x Mox Pearl, 1x Mox Ruby, 1x Mox Emerald
5th-8th: 1x either Mox Jet or Mox Sapphire
X-2: $200 Tales of Adventure store credit
X-3: $75 Tales of Adventure store credit

Players who register for Eternal Extravaganza 5 will receive a FREE Eternal Extravaganza 5 playmat!*

Questions –
E-Mail: TOAComics@GMail.com
Phone: 484-863-9178

*while supplies last

[EEMagic]

Preregistration of Eternal Extravaganza 5 is now open, and there's even more reason than ever before to sign up early!

By preregistering for #EE5mtg's Legacy 20k that's taking place Sunday, October 16, you can win these fabulous prizes before the weekend even begins:

- When the 50th player preregisters for the Legacy event at EE5, Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Timetwister to a lucky preregistrant!
- When the 100th player preregisters for the Legacy event at EE5, Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Time Walk!
- When the 334th player preregisters for the Legacy event at EE5 - our attendance for EE4 - Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Ancestral Recall!

With three different giveaways, if you are one of the first fifty preregistered players for the 20k Legacy event on Sunday you have THREE chances to win a piece of the Power 9 before you even sit down for your first match!

So visit EEMagic.com/preregister today to make sure you have the best chance to be a winner as part of Eternal Extravaganza!

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[Parcher]

Preregistration of Eternal Extravaganza 5 is now open, and there's even more reason than ever before to sign up early!

By preregistering for #EE5mtg's Legacy 20k that's taking place Sunday, October 16, you can win these fabulous prizes before the weekend even begins:

- When the 50th player preregisters for the Legacy event at EE5, Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Timetwister to a lucky preregistrant!
- When the 100th player preregisters for the Legacy event at EE5, Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Time Walk!
- When the 334th player preregisters for the Legacy event at EE5 - our attendance for EE4 - Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Ancestral Recall!

With three different giveaways, if you are one of the first fifty preregistered players for the 20k Legacy event on Sunday you have THREE chances to win a piece of the Power 9 before you even sit down for your first match!

So visit EEMagic.com/preregister today to make sure you have the best chance to be a winner as part of Eternal Extravaganza!

I should be pre registered by HQ Games via their EE5 Satellite from 8/28 under the name Damon Whitby. Please contact me and/or them if these is not the case, as they should be paying my entry as well.

[MGB]

Giving out Vintage prizes for a Legacy tournament?????

[jrsthethird]

Giving out Vintage prizes for a Legacy tournament?????

Overstock on Power relative to stock of Duals?

[EEMagic]

Several members of the Magic community have expressed concerns regarding the Legacy and Vintage prize pools of Eternal Extravaganza 5. Specifically, some players have expressed surprise or disappointment in the fact that they believe that the Vintage event awarding Dual Lands and Fetchlands seems more like a Legacy prize pool, while the Legacy event awarding pieces of Power 9 seems like a Vintage prize pool. Some have even expressed that the current prize structure makes them less likely to enter. We would like to attempt to alleviate those concerns.

For the Legacy $30,000, Tales of Adventure chose to award two full sets of Power 9. As EE expands and continues to draw more players, we are continuously challenged to provide a bigger prize to match the turnout. While EE4's store credit was okay, we wanted to have a clearly defined prize pool to use with our advertising. With this value of Magic cards given away, many options become difficult to use. Trying to find several hundred duals or several thousand fetchlands becomes challenging at best.

For the Vintage $10,000, Tales of Adventure chose to award sets of all ten dual lands and sets of all ten fetchlands amongst the top 8 because it is an extremely high value pool that enables the Vintage top 8 players more freedom. Specifically, we have noticed that Vintage players more likely to choose to "split" in the top 8 or top 4 of a given event than their Legacy counterparts. Given that, this prize pool is much easier to split in many different ways. Also, we have found that Vintage players are more likely to take cash or store credit in lieu of the physical prizes. At the size this event has become, roughly 100-130 players, the alternative would be 1st Lotus, top 4 Mox, top 8 / 16 Drains or some other $100-200 card.

Additionally, Tales of Adventure is pleased to offer the following solution to the Vintage community:

Anyone who finishes in top 4 can trade in their Vintage prizes towards any Legacy prize we bought back at what we paid to buy back the Legacy prizes at (Top 8 can trade to Naya Moxen). For example, if you finish 3rd here for ~$600 buylist, you can choose to swap for a Time Walk (assuming we paid ~$600 to buy it back). This would be contingent on us buying Legacy prizes back and can only happen the Sunday night or through e-mail by the Tuesday after the event, and the deal has to happen before Vintage starts at Eternal Weekend.

Tales of Adventure believes that the value offered in our Legacy and Vintage events is unmatched. While we certainly can appreciate the takes on what the Eternal Extravaganza 5 prize pools look like, we hope that the reasoning we have expressed here mitigates those concerns.

We do value the Legacy and Vintage community's opinions greatly, and we are always open to discussion and suggestion on any matters concerning our events. Please email us at TOAMagic@gmail.com with any thoughts, opinions, and concerns pertaining to the prize pools or any facet of any Eternal Extravaganza event.

[Parcher]

This being a central Mid-Atlantic event, specifically geared towards the Eternal community with only three weeks to go, I'm greatly concerned with the lack of trash talking in this thread.

[Griselpuff]

This being a central Mid-Atlantic event, specifically geared towards the Eternal community with only three weeks to go, I'm greatly concerned with the lack of trash talking in this thread.


None of us wants the stigma of being the one to shit on old 50 year olds

[btm10]

None of us wants the stigma of being the one to shit on old 50 year olds

I won't shit on them, but I expect everyone I kill with Liliana Emblem tokens to buy me a drink.

[Parcher]

None of us wants the stigma of being the one to shit on old 50 year olds

But, I'm a young 50 year old. And you've never had a problem deficating on old men before. Heard you made a pretty penny at it too.


I won't shit on them, but I expect everyone I kill with Liliana Emblem tokens to buy me a drink.

Done.

[EEMagic]

Tales of Adventure is proud to announce that our Eternal Extravaganza 5 coverage team will feature Reuben Bresler & Kevin Jones! Join us for all the action October 15-16 at EEMagic.com/Live!

https://scontent.fphl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14517395_656282507872787_4793063179122907254_n.jpg?oh=9849f4767fa9fdcb10240b3fd66c9147&oe=5861F33C

[Parcher]

Daddy is doing coverage!? I'm bringing a case of Red Bull for him. Someone just needs to save the stream for me. My god.

[btm10]

http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/xl/drinking-zombie-wine-bottle-holder-xl.jpg

Plan for Legacy set.

[EEMagic]

Tales of Adventure is getting very close to hitting triple digits with our Legacy event preregistration at Eternal Extravaganza 5, and that means that we're very close to our Time Walk giveaway!

It's not too late to get in on the action yourself, as we still have both the Time Walk and later an Ancestral Recall to award as prizes to preregistered players!

By preregistering for #EE5mtg's #LegacyMTG event on Sunday, October 16, you can win fabulous prizes before the weekend even begins:

- When the 50th player preregistered for the Legacy event at EE5, it guaranteed that Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Timetwister to a lucky preregistrant at EE5!
- When the 100th player preregisters for the Legacy event at EE5, Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Time Walk!
- When the 334th player preregisters for the Legacy event at EE5 - our attendance for EE4 - Tales of Adventure will give away 1 FREE Ancestral Recall!

If you preregister now, you still have a chance at both the Time Walk and Ancestral Recall drawings just for signing up! So visit today to be a part of Eternal Extravaganza!

[EEMagic]

*ETERNAL EXTRAVAGANZA TRAVEL ALERT*

The Baltimore Marathon is taking place Saturday, Oct 15, from 10am-2pm. This will cause travel delays and will make getting to the venue for both the #EE5mtg Vintage event and #SCGRegionals take more difficult.

For ease of travel, Tales of Adventure suggests planning accordingly by arriving at least 30 minutes in advance, and taking the Metro light rail to University Center/Baltimore St., which is only two blocks from the Radisson Hotel Baltimore Downtown-Inner Harbor venue.

For more information on the marathon and which roads are closed, click the following link: http://www.thebaltimoremarathon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Traffic-Closures-BRF16.pdf

[EEMagic]

We do apologize for this headache, and would like to help out all attending as best we can.

As far as I am aware, there is parking for Radisson Hotel patrons, and they have a large underground parking garage directly next to the hotel. Additionally, there are lots of parking garages of varying types right in Downtown, from the Baltimore Aquarium to the Harbor district and various stadiums. As the Baltimore Marathon is the 7th largest in the US and many of those taking part may also be competing for those spaces, this option is at your own risk.

Another option worth considering is to park at one of the many hotels near the Maryland Live! casino, located about a ten to fifteen minute drive from the venue. From there, a relatively cheap Uber or Lyft should be able to drop you very close to the site. This allows for free parking at a hotel, such as Hampton Inn, Springhill Suites, or The Hotel, and a relatively cheap ride downtown.

[jrsthethird]

Are you expecting a lot of residual travel delay on Sunday morning, or is all the marathon stuff cleared out by then?

[limbo]

Are you expecting a lot of residual travel delay on Sunday morning, or is all the marathon stuff cleared out by then?
B-more Marathon clean up is pretty quick. Downtown should be normal by Sat evening. Sunday morning there will be slightly higher traffic volume as people exit the city to head home, but that should only be a concern right around the hotels, and in the outbound direction. I would add 10 minutes to your expected Sunday morning travel times to be safe.
Caveat: I don't live there now.

[EEMagic]

Are you expecting a lot of residual travel delay on Sunday morning, or is all the marathon stuff cleared out by then?

We are anticipating at least some delays, and want everyone to be prepared!

[EEMagic]

Eternal Extravaganza 5 begins TOMORROW in Baltimore, MD! Vintage and Standard on Saturday, Legacy on Sunday, and live coverage all weekend!

$35,000 in cash and prizes across the three events, including TWO sets of Power 9, 40 Dual Lands, and 40 Fetchlands!

It's not too late to make plans to join Tales of Adventure for the must-play Magic event of the season!

Preregistration is still open for all three events! By preregistering for the Legacy $20,000 event on Sunday, you earn a chance at an Unlimited Ancestral Recall as a prize just for entering early!

And keep in mind that if you cannot come to #EE5mtg, you can still be a part of the action by watching LIVE at Twitch.tv/TalesofAdventure, with Reuben Bresler & Kevin Jones!

Visit EEMagic.com for more info.

See you this weekend for Eternal Extravaganza 5!

[mistercakes]

any results posted for this?

[Whitefaces]

any results posted for this?

Sam Roukas won it with Miracles (2 Entreat, 2 Predict, Mentors in the SB).

Grixis Delver came second, I think there was another two or three Miracles decks in the top eight and an Infect, but can't remember exactly.

They said decklists will be posted in the week I think. The videos should be on their Twitch VOD, the finals especially are great! Two skilled players with arguably the two best decks in the format.

[EEMagic]

#EE5mtg RESULTS:

Standard: http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/deckshow.php?event_ID=7&t[T1]=1&start_date=2016-10-15&end_date=2016-10-15&state=MD&city=Baltimore&order_1=finish&limit=8&t_num=1&action=Show+Decks

Vintage: http://www.themanadrain.com/topic/701/eternal-extravaganza-5-top-8-lists-and-metagame-report

ETERNAL EXTRAVAGANZA 5 #EE5mtg LEGACY TOP 8 DECKLISTS:

Sam Roukas - 1st - Jeskai Miracles

4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Force of Will
4 Counterbalance
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Terminus
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Predict
2 Entreat the Angels
1 Counterspell
1 Coucil's Judgment
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Island
3 Tundra
2 Volcanic Island
2 Plains
1 Arid Mesa

Sideboard:
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Pyroblast
2 Wear//Tear
2 Flusterstorm
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Monastery Mentor
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Mountain
1 From the Ashes

Justin Parnell - 2nd - Grixis Delver

4 Daze
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Cabal Therapy
2 Gurmag Angler
1 Forked Bolt
1 Spell Pierce
1 Dismember
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Wasteland
3 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island

Sideboard:
2 Baleful Strix
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Ceremonious Rejection
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Sudden Demise
1 Sylvan Library
1 Winter Orb
1 Pyroblast
1 Pithing Needle
1 Island
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Hydroblast
1 Ancient Grudge

Matt Brown - 3rd - Infect

4 Noble Hierarch
4 Blighted Agent
4 Glistener Elf
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Invigorate
3 Gitaxian Probe
3 Vines of Vastwood
3 Force of Will
2 Spell Pierce
2 Berserk
1 Become Immense
1 Ponder
1 Crop Rotation
1 Sylvan Library
4 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Windswept Heath
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Tropical Island
1 Forest

Sideboard:
2 Submerge
2 Flusterstorm
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Karakas
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Viridian Corruptor
1 Krosan Grip
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Dismember
1 Force of Will
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Meekstone

Peter Villarubia - 4th - Jeskai Miracles

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Terminus
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Counterbalance
4 Force of Will
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Counterspell
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Monastery Mentor
1 Entreat the Angels
1 Council's Judgment
4 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Island
3 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
2 Plains
1 Arid Mesa

Sideboard:
3 Vendilion Clique
3 Pyroblast
2 Flusterstorm
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Wear//Tear
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Kozilek's Return
1 Engineered Explosives

Nicholas Santini - 5th - Reanimator

4 Lotus Petal
4 Careful Study
4 Reanimate
4 Force of Will
4 Exhume
4 Brainstorm
4 Entomb
3 Griselbrand
3 Daze
3 Ponder
2 Hapless Researcher
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Sire of Insanity
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Show and Tell
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Underground Sea
2 Swamp
1 Bayou
1 Island

Sideboard:
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Show and Tell
3 Thoughtseize
2 Pithing Needle
2 Massacre
1 Grave Titan
1 Collective Brutality

Louis Fata - 6th - Death & Taxes

4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Flickerwisp
4 Aether Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Serra Avenger
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Recruiter of the Guard
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
11 Plains
4 Wasteland
4 Rishadan Port
3 Karakas
1 Cavern of Souls

Sideboard:
3 Rest in Peace
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Containment Priest
2 Path to Exile
1 Pithing Needle
1 Council's Judgment
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Sanctum Prelate

Mark Strassman - 7th - Punishing Maverick

4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Deathrite Shaman
3 Punishing Fire
3 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Windswept Heath
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Wasteland
3 Wooded Foothills
2 Savannah
2 Taiga
1 Forest
1 Plateau
1 Bayou
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths
1 Maze of Ith

Sideboard:
3 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Pyroblast
2 Choke
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Pithing Needle
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Garruk Relentless//Garruk, the Veil-Cursed
1 Zealous Persecution
1 Worship

Scott Waldron - 8th - Mentor Miracles

4 Monastery Mentor
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Terminus
4 Brainstorm
4 Counterbalance
4 Force of Will
4 Ponder
4 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Predict
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Counterspell
4 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Island
3 Tundra
2 Volcanic Island
2 Plains
1 Arid Mesa

Sideboard:
3 Wear//Tear
3 Flusterstorm
2 Pyroblast
2 Containment Priest
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Blood Moon
1 Mountain
1 Red Elemental Blast

[mistercakes]

Thanks for posting.

What is the consensus on players that move cards around in their deck (to declump) while searching for lands? Wondering how serious this should be taken.

Thanks

[iatee]

Hmm, I believe there's an issue with the above decklists. Sam's deck was officially named 'Angel Stompy', not 'Jeskai Miracles' - this was something that was mentioned by Kevin Jones in the stream. This was a monumental win for the Angel Stompy archetype and I think it should be recognized as such.

[Agrippa91]

Thanks for posting.

What is the consensus on players that move cards around in their deck (to declump) while searching for lands? Wondering how serious this should be taken.

Thanks

Interesting question. Personally I'm always really tempted when I see 3-of-a-kind behind each other or just a big chunk of 5+ lands, but I'm aware that it's not something you should do.

[EunB]

What is the consensus on players that move cards around in their deck (to declump) while searching for lands? Wondering how serious this should be taken.

In theory "declumping" does nothing if you sufficiently shuffle afterwards so it does seem pointless, but in reality through the course of a long tournament sleeves can cause cards to stick to each other. As long as the deck is randomized afterwards I don't see any issue with it.


Hmm, I believe there's an issue with the above decklists. Sam's deck was officially named 'Angel Stompy', not 'Jeskai Miracles' - this was something that was mentioned by Kevin Jones in the stream. This was a monumental win for the Angel Stompy archetype and I think it should be recognized as such.

Stream is here:

https://www.twitch.tv/talesofadventure/v/95381760

Pretty clear Sam is not playing Angel Stompy, perhaps that's what he refers to the deck tongue in cheek.

[iatee]

I kinda just feel like if Sam self-identifies as an Angel Stompy player and not a Miracles player he should be referred to as one, if only out of courtesy. If we start renaming peoples' decks for them, it's really going to make things confusing.

[Ace/Homebrew]

A local player always names his TES list 'Goblins'.
I think keeping the name provided by the pilot is an admirable goal, but when the pilot is trolling I think you can revert to the community-accepted name.

Also, it sounds like you are being a Cissy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cissy).

[Hmmm_Really?]

Interesting question. Personally I'm always really tempted when I see 3-of-a-kind behind each other or just a big chunk of 5+ lands, but I'm aware that it's not something you should do.

I had no idea this was a thing. I've always "declumped", and always followed up with multiple riffle shuffles. Never had anyone call me out. In my head, I think I'm doing the right thing by declumping and then riffle shuffling perhaps 4 or 5 times. If I didn't declump, I would spend twice as long riffle shuffling, perhaps 10 times.

[Hmmm_Really?]

Interesting question. Personally I'm always really tempted when I see 3-of-a-kind behind each other or just a big chunk of 5+ lands, but I'm aware that it's not something you should do.

Section 3.4 which states that declumping is OK.

http://wpn.wizards.com/sites/wpn/files/attachements/mtg_ipg_30sep16_en.pdf

[Agrippa91]

Section 3.4 which states that declumping is OK.

http://wpn.wizards.com/sites/wpn/files/attachements/mtg_ipg_30sep16_en.pdf

Ah good, thx for the link. It just feels kinda weird because a method of cheating where you "shuffle" a card to the top looks rather similar to the opponent.

[mistercakes]

A deck is not shuffled if the judge believes a player could know the position or distribution of one or more cards in his or her deck. isn't the 2nd half of this directly related to "declumping"? i guess i can see an argument to know that they are stacked together. it's like when players side in 3 or 4 of a sb card and place them evenly throughout their deck.

i think the distribution with declumping just goes from an unfavorable distribution to a favorable distribution. that's where i have my issue....the player is not declumping irrelevant cards, just the relevant ones.

anyway, i don't want to start any kind of trouble here, thanks for the pdf. i think this is certainly useful if you're in a tournament and want to present an argument in either way.

[iatee]

"i don't want to start any kind of trouble here"

[MiraclesWizard]

Hmm, I believe there's an issue with the above decklists. Sam's deck was officially named 'Angel Stompy', not 'Jeskai Miracles' - this was something that was mentioned by Kevin Jones in the stream. This was a monumental win for the Angel Stompy archetype and I think it should be recognized as such.

Angel Stompy? lol....this is Jeskai Miracles. Why on earth would you call this Angel Stompy? because it has 2 entreat the angles? ETA is very common in miracles.

[MiraclesWizard]

I kinda just feel like if Sam self-identifies as an Angel Stompy player and not a Miracles player he should be referred to as one, if only out of courtesy. If we start renaming peoples' decks for them, it's really going to make things confusing.

its a totally stock miracles deck! you don't/can't rename a deck you grabbed offline and call it yours or rename it something yours

[iatee]

I think the key thing is that Miracles decks win with Mentor now, whereas Sam was clearly trying to build a deck that had a strong prison strategy + angel beatdown. That seems more like Angel Stompy to me than Miracles, so the name makes sense.

[MiraclesWizard]

I think the key thing is that Miracles decks win with Mentor now, whereas Sam was clearly trying to build a deck that had a strong prison strategy + angel beatdown. That seems more like Angel Stompy to me than Miracles, so the name makes sense.

name makes no sense, go back 6-12 months in miracles deck lists and this is what people were running

He didn't invent anything here....mainboard EE, ETA, predicts, snaps was more than common in miracles before mentor hopped in. He doesn't get to name it Angel stompy. Ridiculous!

[iatee]

There are some MAJOR differences between Sam's list and 'Miracles' decks, both in card choice and in play style - if you watch his games, Sam plays the deck as a Stompy deck, not as a control deck.

Ultimately I think it makes sense to name a deck based on its win condition and this deck's win condition involves stomping down with angels, so the name makes sense. Anything else would just make things super confusing for everyone.

[EunB]

There are some MAJOR differences between Sam's list and 'Miracles' decks, both in card choice and in play style - if you watch his games, Sam plays the deck as a Stompy deck, not as a control deck.

Ultimately I think it makes sense to name a deck based on its win condition and this deck's win condition involves stomping down with angels, so the name makes sense. Anything else would just make things super confusing for everyone.

Here's the source thread for angel stompy:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?2635-Deck-Angel-Stompy

There's really no argument here. The two decks are nothing alike.

[iatee]

Guys, I actually spoke with Sam at the event and he constantly referred to his deck as Angel Stompy. If he believes that he's playing an Angel Stompy deck, I'm not sure what right we have to rename his deck for him.

He actually told me he believed Miracles was no longer favored in the meta and switched to an Angel Stompy build as a last minute audible - obviously a smart move that won him the event. I honestly think the fact that Angel Stompy won a major event is something we should celebrate, since it shows the diversity of legacy. Clumping everything into the category 'Miracles' just because the decks share a few cards is lazy and misleading.

[Stuart]

So the rest of the top 8 was Dredge, False Cure, Angel Stompy, Sneak Show, Merfolk, Elves, and Quinn the Eskimo? Those are about as accurate of names as Angel Stompy is to his Miracles list.

[iatee]

If the players wanted to name their decks those things, that would be their right. I think those names would be a little more confusing than Angel Stompy, because Sam's deck genuinely was a beatdown deck that won with angels. But I think people have the right to name their deck anything that they want.

I don't want to live in a country where people don't have basic naming rights over their own things. That's not a road we want to go down.

[MiraclesWizard]

There are some MAJOR differences between Sam's list and 'Miracles' decks, both in card choice and in play style - if you watch his games, Sam plays the deck as a Stompy deck, not as a control deck.

Ultimately I think it makes sense to name a deck based on its win condition and this deck's win condition involves stomping down with angels, so the name makes sense. Anything else would just make things super confusing for everyone.

What MAJOR differences are there in Sam's deck to a pre mentor miracles deck? lol....

I don't care about play style for the moment, PLEASE tell me what these MAJOR differences are....

[Ace/Homebrew]

I don't want to live in a country where people don't have basic naming rights over their own things.
Obvious troll is obvious guys...

Here's iatee at a recent family reunion.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/3108436388_c26d97a392.jpg

Which one were you again? All trolls like alike to me...

[MiraclesWizard]

If the players wanted to name their decks those things, that would be their right. I think those names would be a little more confusing than Angel Stompy, because Sam's deck genuinely was a beatdown deck that won with angels. But I think people have the right to name their deck anything that they want.

I don't want to live in a country where people don't have basic naming rights over their own things. That's not a road we want to go down.

its not his own deck, clearly stock deck he played except of 2 mainboard pyroblasts he is play 2 mainboard predicts....there is nothing in this to call it angel stompy....ETA is synonymous with Miracles...

[CptHaddock]

Obvious troll is obvious guys...

Here's iatee at a recent family reunion.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/3108436388_c26d97a392.jpg

Which one were you again? All trolls like alike to me...

I think he's this one.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/738/025/db0.jpg

[iatee]

What MAJOR differences are there in Sam's deck to a pre mentor miracles deck? lol....

I don't care about play style for the moment, PLEASE tell me what these MAJOR differences are....

I don't get what your fixation on card choices are. Play style is a MAJOR component of Stompy decks.

If you watch the games, Sam doesn't play his cards like a Miracles player would. He throws down a fast YOLO Counterbalance lock piece and then gets his beat on, Stompy style, with angels. Many of, if not the majority of the choices he makes during these games would be *terrible* if he were a Miracles player. But as a Stompy player, they were great decisions.

And just as you can play cards that are traditionally 'Miracles' in a Stompy manner, you can play cards that are traditionally 'Stompy' in a Miracles manner. E.g. You still slam down t1 Chalice, but you can also play a Top for later in the game, card filtering etc. Being so fixated on card choices makes you miss a lot of the subtle things in the game, it doesn't matter what cards you play, just how you play them.

[Ace/Homebrew]

You're doing it wrong man! :wink:
He's just going to respond by repeating the same nonsensical bullshit.

Find a picture of a bridge and tell him his house needs work.

https://needled.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/oldbridge.jpg

Nice house Brah! You get good internetz there?

[MiraclesWizard]

maybe it should be called snappy stompy

[ThaDopestXander]

Several members of the Magic community have expressed concerns regarding the Legacy and Vintage prize pools of Eternal Extravaganza 5. Specifically, some players have expressed surprise or disappointment in the fact that they believe that the Vintage event awarding Dual Lands and Fetchlands seems more like a Legacy prize pool, while the Legacy event awarding pieces of Power 9 seems like a Vintage prize pool. Some have even expressed that the current prize structure makes them less likely to enter. We would like to attempt to alleviate those concerns.

For the Legacy $30,000, Tales of Adventure chose to award two full sets of Power 9. As EE expands and continues to draw more players, we are continuously challenged to provide a bigger prize to match the turnout. While EE4's store credit was okay, we wanted to have a clearly defined prize pool to use with our advertising. With this value of Magic cards given away, many options become difficult to use. Trying to find several hundred duals or several thousand fetchlands becomes challenging at best.

For the Vintage $10,000, Tales of Adventure chose to award sets of all ten dual lands and sets of all ten fetchlands amongst the top 8 because it is an extremely high value pool that enables the Vintage top 8 players more freedom. Specifically, we have noticed that Vintage players more likely to choose to "split" in the top 8 or top 4 of a given event than their Legacy counterparts. Given that, this prize pool is much easier to split in many different ways. Also, we have found that Vintage players are more likely to take cash or store credit in lieu of the physical prizes. At the size this event has become, roughly 100-130 players, the alternative would be 1st Lotus, top 4 Mox, top 8 / 16 Drains or some other $100-200 card.

Additionally, Tales of Adventure is pleased to offer the following solution to the Vintage community:

Anyone who finishes in top 4 can trade in their Vintage prizes towards any Legacy prize we bought back at what we paid to buy back the Legacy prizes at (Top 8 can trade to Naya Moxen). For example, if you finish 3rd here for ~$600 buylist, you can choose to swap for a Time Walk (assuming we paid ~$600 to buy it back). This would be contingent on us buying Legacy prizes back and can only happen the Sunday night or through e-mail by the Tuesday after the event, and the deal has to happen before Vintage starts at Eternal Weekend.

Tales of Adventure believes that the value offered in our Legacy and Vintage events is unmatched. While we certainly can appreciate the takes on what the Eternal Extravaganza 5 prize pools look like, we hope that the reasoning we have expressed here mitigates those concerns.

We do value the Legacy and Vintage community's opinions greatly, and we are always open to discussion and suggestion on any matters concerning our events. Please email us at TOAMagic@gmail.com with any thoughts, opinions, and concerns pertaining to the prize pools or any facet of any Eternal Extravaganza event.

I just wanna say that giving vintage cards to legacy winners in brillant, it helps players get into vintage! Ive wanted tournements prized as such for years