Tusk Talk Episode 15: The Forgotten GP

[nedleeds]

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Welcome to another episode of TuskTalk with Team Tusk warlords Sean O’Brien (Nedleeds), Evan Nyquist (HymnYou) and Josh Hand (Megadeus). We cover the recent Legacy GP in Louisville. The banned and restricted announcement from January. And farm fresh food concepts.

Time Stamps:

00:00 – Intro
01:30 – The Forgotten GP and lack of coverage
15:00 – What did you play and why?
21:00 – The actual event and beats and beatings
38:00 – What would you change?
48:00 – The Brainstormtastic Top 32
55:00 – The future of Legacy Grand Prixs
60:00 – The new banned and restricted cadence

[thefringthing]

Over/under on percentage of people complaining that the venue was barnlike who have ever been inside a barn?

[Chatto]

Well, as you can make up from this post on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/comments/5mlynf/gp_louisville_feature_match_area_you_just_play_at/?st=IXUR9IFO&sh=58c7ca51) it was barn-like. It did remind me of some barns where they sell cows etc: so did someone else who commented.

[hymnyou]

They have barnyard animal shows there often and I just burped really loud.

[nedleeds]

Over/under on percentage of people complaining that the venue was barnlike who have ever been inside a barn?

It was barn like, that wasn't really that bad. It didn't smell like offal or cow shit. The bigger issue is that, that convention center (unlike the in town one) is surrounded by a mile deep parking lot. So you can't walk to it. Hotel shuttle was the best bet, otherwise it was $8 parking every in and out or an Uber or two every day. The nail is that even if you made it through the fucking asphalt desert, there is actual nothing in the surrounding .5 miles. It's fast food, hobos and fucking tractor repair places.

[thefringthing]

Airport hell is airport hell. In my experience pretty much every GP is held in that city's airport hell.

Instead of exploring around the expo centre, buddy and I explored inside it. Got into the stadium area where I guess one of those neo-fascist rallies that are so popular down there happened lately, because we snagged one of those fucking hats. (Hard to come by here because foreigners can't contribute to American political campaigns.) Played some Love Letter in the room reserved for some fancy club that had a bunch of paintings of dead rich white guys.

[maharis]

Good cast. Ha I forgot I told Josh about my R1 opponent with no DCI #. That guy's friends really fucked him over by dragging him to a $75 tournament with shoebox-level commons and no idea of what awaited.

I totally agree with how much of a bummer it is that Leo is blue, because it's such an awesome effect, but like you said it's too bad that it just breaks Brainstorm mirrors instead of being a defense for decks against the card. I love sticking one as well -- whenever my opponent is playing Maze or Punishing Fire there are quite a lot of re-reads.

That card being BUG actually doesn't make a ton of sense. I guess the pseudo-Chains effect is in black, but most often white, and Rayne, Academy Chancellor was blue, but that effect feels white as well. Nothing really feels green about it at all other than his pointy ears. I suspect they just didn't want to make it a strict upgrade to Spirit of the Labyrinth in a set that also had Recruiter of the Guard and Sanctum Prelate. Could've been BWG or WG or BW, and a different creature type, and actually driven some deck construction decisions.

But in a format that already has a mana dork playable off an Underground Sea, plus Abrupt Decay for emergencies, and the blue cards for consistency/protection, AND Fatal Push coming, I imagine we're only scratching the surface of this card's impact. I hadn't even thought of the Cephalid Coliseum trick until now and what do you know: Intuition, Loam, Unearth all in the same colors as this guy.

[mistercakes]

Ew coliseum. That's dirty. I wish I thought of this one.

Too ambitious for a deck with Leovold, winds of change, burning inquiry and coliseum?

[Megadeus]

Ew coliseum. That's dirty. I wish I thought of this one.

Too ambitious for a deck with Leovold, winds of change, burning inquiry and coliseum?

Coliseum + Loam will probably suffice.

Not only the fact that he's blue, but also the one sidedness is even more a kick in the nads. It's just a misery fest all around at this point, and 28/32 brainstorm in the top 32 is fine I guess in WOTC eyes.

[maharis]

Coliseum + Loam will probably suffice.

Not only the fact that he's blue, but also the one sidedness is even more a kick in the nads. It's just a misery fest all around at this point, and 28/32 brainstorm in the top 32 is fine I guess in WOTC eyes.

It's a draw engine for the person who has it in play, and a potato in the tailpipe of the person across the table. I think that would be fine if it didn't also synergize with your own existing draw engine, but it's like counterbalance that way: You don't really have to make any deck-construction decisions when you play it other than "play BUG" which is trivial with duals, fetches, cantrips, and DRS.

At least you can bolt this thing unlike Counterbalance though.

[Ace/Homebrew]

That card being BUG actually doesn't make a ton of sense.
Looks like BUG colors helped WotC spread the love across the pie for limited.

Legendary creatures in Conspiracy 2:

Adriana, Captain of the Guard
Grenzo, Havoc Raiser
Kami of the Crescent Moon
Leovold, Emissary of Trest
Queen Marchesa
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds

So that's:
:w: 2
:u: 2
:b: 2
:r: 3
:g: 2

[thecrav]

Over/under on percentage of people complaining that the venue was barnlike who have ever been inside a barn?

I walked in and said "wow, this looks exactly like where they do the livestock show in Houston." Someone walked up and said, "This is where they do the livestock show in Louisville."

[hymnyou]

Looks like BUG colors helped WotC spread the love across the pie for limited.

Legendary creatures in Conspiracy 2:

Adriana, Captain of the Guard
Grenzo, Havoc Raiser
Kami of the Crescent Moon
Leovold, Emissary of Trest
Queen Marchesa
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds

So that's:
:w: 2
:u: 2
:b: 2
:r: 3
:g: 2

Interesting point didn't think of that

[Stuart]

Cheers for the cast. The Mind Twist/Earthcraft/Recruiter rant at the end was golden.

Also, inclined to agree with Nedleeds that 2018 will be the no-standalone-Legacy-GP year.

[Dr_D]

These casts are amazing.

[nedleeds]

Cheers for the cast. The Mind Twist/Earthcraft/Recruiter rant at the end was golden.

Also, inclined to agree with Nedleeds that 2018 will be the no-standalone-Legacy-GP year.

I hope I'm wrong but I can't help feeling the brutal treatment of Louisville with respect to coverage and the way they've repositioned Eternal Weekend(s) to be on the opposite ends of the year, an idea which I like, will mean the end of stand alone Legacy GPs. I think Vegas is going to exceed all expectations and be a massive success, I hope it's a yearly thing. For adult eternal aficionados with expendable income it's basically the best thing ever, I'm super happy WotC had the foresight to offer Legacy for the adults traveling there.

[Claymore]

Do these show up in some podcast thing? I'm checking on the Google Play Music for 'tusktalk' and it doesn't show up, but So Many Insane Plays does.

[hymnyou]

Do these show up in some podcast thing? I'm checking on the Google Play Music for 'tusktalk' and it doesn't show up, but So Many Insane Plays does.

After eternal central posts the episode it goes up on iTunes. The new episode should be on iTunes and all past episodes as well.

[KaiSchafroth]

The bigger issue is that, that convention center (unlike the in town one) is surrounded by a mile deep parking lot. So you can't walk to it. Hotel shuttle was the best bet, otherwise it was $8 parking every in and out or an Uber or two every day. The nail is that even if you made it through the fucking asphalt desert, there is actual nothing in the surrounding .5 miles. It's fast food, hobos and fucking tractor repair places.

^this
We made the mistake the first night saying "eff the shuttle it's like a 3min walk to the center" then realized we had to walk around a goddamn theme park and traverse that void of a parking lot. Playing vintage all weekend was the right choice; although sorry to the tusks and friends of tusk that had to play yet another dredge MU.
Although I enjoyed your literal shout-out to Pikula

[Dice_Box]

I think the reason for the change to the ban announcement has everything to do with reactions to the last 12 months. If they could have banned Eye faster they would have. Then Modern would not have had three GPs dominated by Eldrazi. Then feedback that Standard right now is a 3 out of 10? They are not seeking to shape a format before and after the PT, they are seeking to dodge the Eldrazi bullet again.

[nedleeds]

I think the reason for the change to the ban announcement has everything to do with reactions to the last 12 months. If they could have banned Eye faster they would have. Then Modern would not have had three GPs dominated by Eldrazi. Then feedback that Standard right now is a 3 out of 10? They are not seeking to shape a format before and after the PT, they are seeking to dodge the Eldrazi bullet again.

That makes a lot of sense. I follow the lichen growth on my fence more than type 2, so I wasn't aware of the discontent. I watched a little of the carnage of the modern chimpdrazi invasion. I do think banning a bunch of mythics over time will eventually hurt type 2. A kid pulling/buying a $30 mythic then being told to shove it up his ass a month later is miserable.

[Wilkin]

Very entertaining podcast.

[Richard Cheese]

A kid pulling/buying a $30 mythic then being told to shove it up his ass a month later is miserable.

Unless you hate both children and Standard, in which case it's just pure entertainment.

[Cartesian]

Nice broadcast, except for the 7-minute rant on Brainstorm.

[Megadeus]

Nice broadcast, except for the 7-minute rant on Brainstorm.

Yeah sorry about that. I wish it were longer too, but at some point we had to move on.

[TsumiBand]

Listening to this podcast, I learned to always play 4 Thalias and that the guy with the good mic is way into comparing things to barnyard animal sex

[Stevestamopz]

Great cast lads and thanks for the shout-out!

I really do hope you're wrong Nedleeds about standalone Legacy GP's being scrapped but you're probably right :(

[nedleeds]

Nice broadcast, except for the 7-minute rant on Brainstorm.

Sorry we ran out of time. We have a full on "Fuck Brainstorm: 10 Years of Ubiquity" Episode planned so stay tuned.

[Megadeus]

Listening to this podcast, I learned to always play 4 Thalias and that the guy with the good mic is way into comparing things to barnyard animal sex

Doesn't matter. If you play 4 Thalia you'll get paired against DNT and your opponents Karakas will rape your Thalia like a goat raping a chicken

[ESG]

Cheers for the cast. The Mind Twist/Earthcraft/Recruiter rant at the end was golden.

I lost it at "Captain Glacier."

[Dice_Box]

Sorry we ran out of time. We have a full on "Fuck Brainstorm: 10 Years of Ubiquity" Episode planned so stay tuned.

Please, for the love of God, have Steven on as a guest for that.

[LOLWut]

Instead of exploring around the expo centre, buddy and I explored inside it. Got into the stadium area where I guess one of those neo-fascist rallies that are so popular down there happened lately, because we snagged one of those fucking hats. (Hard to come by here because foreigners can't contribute to American political campaigns.) Played some Love Letter in the room reserved for some fancy club that had a bunch of paintings of dead rich white guys.

So virtuous.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tYPAdB-KzbM/maxresdefault.jpg

[Cartesian]

Yeah sorry about that. I wish it were longer too, but at some point we had to move on.

Sorry we ran out of time. We have a full on "Fuck Brainstorm: 10 Years of Ubiquity" Episode planned so stay tuned.
Hehe, sounds like a great idea. Get it out of your system.

[Dice_Box]

Hehe, sounds like a great idea. Get it out of your system.
Out if his system... Right... I doubt anything shy of a lobotomy would manage that. But hey, at lest then he would still have the intelligence required to play SnT.

[thefringthing]

Please do not associate me with our shitty prime minister.