SCG Worcester Open

[Barook]

https://www.twitch.tv/scgtour

Here you go!

[twndomn]

Day 1 after Round 6,
Check on my Miracles pilots:

Cali, Rich 18
Huang, Bob 16
Jessup, Dan 16
Das, Anuraag 12
Yu, Jarvis 12 (not sure, rumor has it that he's running Miracles)
Lossett, Joe 6

Some of them have 2 Byes.

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Streamers:

Briksza, Rudy 12
Handy, Emma 12

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From watching the stream, so~ many~ Baleful Strix~

[Chatto]

More like sooo much 4c Delver in general.

[Whitefaces]

Yeah, lots of the 4c control deck too.

Jarvis is on Miracles.

[Julian23]

This meta needs more people Blood Mooning all over the place.

/Edit: Looks like my wish was granted

http://i.imgur.com/NmWgdeB.jpg

[Dice_Box]

Time to rebuild Painter.

[CptHaddock]

Time to rebuild Painter.

That deck also can't beat Thalia + Wasteland.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Just blood moon them faster

They can't wasteland you if everything is a mountain *taps forehead*

[Dice_Box]

That deck also can't beat Thalia + Wasteland.
6 Moon's, 2 Tutors, 7 Sol Lands, 2 or 3 Spirit Guide and 3 or 4 Petal. Not sure how I would ever beat Wasteland.

[CptHaddock]

6 Moon's, 2 Tutors, 7 Sol Lands, 2 or 3 Spirit Guide and 3 or 4 Petal. Not sure how I would ever beat Wasteland.

Not talking about painter, i'm talking about 4c control.

[Dice_Box]

Not talking about painter, i'm talking about 4c control.
Fair. I don't really know what it's draw is, it always seemed fragile to me and demanded too much out of DRS to just work at all.

[Julian23]

The draw is being said to beat Miracles.

[Scott]

Day 2 Metagame
69 players

Miracles – 8
4-Color Control AKA Czech Pile – 7
Elves – 5
Infect – 5
Death & Taxes – 4
B/R Reanimator – 4
Lands – 4
Eldrazi – 3
BUG Control – 3
Food Chain – 2
Grixis Tempo – 2
Dead Guy Ale – 2
Team America – 2
Mono-Red Sneak Attack – 2
Burn – 2
Aluren – 1
Belcher – 1
Sneak & Show – 1
Imperial Painter – 1
Esper Stoneblade – 1
Esper Deathblade – 1
Reanimator – 1
U/R Delver – 1
W/R Death & Taxes – 1
W/B/R Stoneblade – 1
Bant Deathblade – 1
Goblins – 1
Mono-Green 12-Post – 1
U/G 12-Post – 1

[Dice_Box]

No Storm? Wow.

[thefringthing]

I guess Czech Pile is a real deck now.

[Chatto]

Goblins! Hey hoo, let's go!

[Scott]

Mono-Red Sneak Attack vs. R/W Death & Taxes on camera in round 15 of 15 imminent.

[Scott]

Sounds like all the Czech Piles flamed out.

[RobNC]

No Storm? Wow.

In all the time I spent walking around yesterday the only storm deck I saw was a Cheerios deck in the 0-3 bracket early on in the day.

Miracles and D&T were everywhere, although most of the players on D&T that I watched didn't have a clue how to play the deck.

[Beatusnox]

Bryant Cook got me round 7 at X-2 to force a win and in. Sounds like he didn't make it based on day 2 meta.

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[Scott]

Top 8 seeds

1. Elves
2. Grixis Tempo
3. Reanimator
4. U/G 12-Post
5. Mono-Red Sneak Attack
6. Miracles
7. Infect
8. Miracles

Semifinals going on now:

Miracles vs. Mono-Red Sneak Attack
Grixis Tempo vs. Reanimator

[solidbass]

I would pay any amount of money for 12 post vs miracles

[Scott]

Cast Reanimate, targeting Delver of Secrets.

[jimmythegreek]

An interesting top 8, unfortunetly the typical trash rose to the top. I'm all set watching Shaman activations and cantrips for the next thirty minutes.

[JDK]

Keep 7, 0 Lands :confused:

[Whitefaces]

inb4 everyone moans about Miracles. Again.

[Megadeus]

What is that, the last 3 events have been won by Predict Miracles now? Do people still enjoy this format as it is?

[Whitefaces]

Yes.

[Megadeus]

inb4 everyone moans about Miracles. Again.

Wow legacy so diverse and great!
Miracles wins again
Still Best deck
No end in sight
All best players say it's best deck
Bob Huang even says he switched because it's clear they have higher win rates

Wonder why people complains about this?

[Stuart]

Congrats to Jesture for coming in 22nd on Infect!

I have nothing to add about Miracles. Also shocked at how poorly Sneak & Show did.

[JDK]

Even Bob Huang and Eli Kassis going with Miracles, god help us all.

[maharis]

Wow legacy so diverse and great!
Miracles wins again
Still Best deck
No end in sight
All best players say it's best deck
Bob Huang even says he switched because it's clear they have higher win rates

Wonder why people complains about this?

69 day 2 decks

8 miracles
4 in top 16 including winner

7 four-color control... the "miracles killer"
Highest placement: 22

What more can we say?

[CptHaddock]

Even Bob Huang and Eli Kassis going with Miracles, god help us all.

I guess Eli decided that losing with janky miscut cards isn't better than destroying people with just straight pimp.

[btm10]

The draw is being said to beat Miracles.

That's more accurately put as "better than Delver against Miracles". With perfect play on the 4c player's part it's probably slightly in their favor, but the main draw (at least from my perspective) is that it's a substantially more enjoyable deck to play than Miracles is (which is entirely because I hate playing with Counterbalance; otherwise I'm all about doing nothing).

[Barook]

What is that, the last 3 events have been won by Predict Miracles now? Do people still enjoy this format as it is?
I knew exactly why I went to bed after the technical problems before the semis.

The outcome was "predictable".

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/012/528/Naamloos-2.jpg

[Megadeus]

I knew exactly why I went to bed after the technical problems before the semis.

The outcome was "predictable".

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/012/528/Naamloos-2.jpg

Carlos!

[CutthroatCasual]

69 day 2 decks

8 miracles
4 in top 16 including winner

7 four-color control... the "miracles killer"
Highest placement: 22

What more can we say?

TBH no blue deck can be considered the "Miracles killer." You want to beat Miracles, play 4c Loam.


I guess Eli decided that losing with janky miscut cards isn't better than destroying people with just straight pimp.

It was certainly a refreshing change. I hope he never goes back to NFCs.

[Wilkin]

I'm one of the 2 dead guy decks that made day 2. Ugh....They like to call it abzan death blade. Got my first camera feature match too. Lol, I've heard the commentators didn't like my deck at all and questioned me playing humility.

[Chatto]

What is that, the last 3 events have been won by Predict Miracles now? Do people still enjoy this format as it is?

It's enjoyable from time to time, when nobody in the room is playing Miracles ;-) But seriously, I like all the games I can play, unless it's vs Miracles. It's even less enjoyable if the pilot just jumped the bandwagon, and is just slow as hell. It's a downright disaster if they manage to win.

Let's face it, Miracles is having a firm grip on player's deck choices. Makes you wonder; when will WotC take the banhammer and smash Miracles with it...?

[Barook]

It's enjoyable from time to time, when nobody in the room is playing Miracles ;-) But seriously, I like all the games I can play, unless it's vs Miracles. It's even less enjoyable if the pilot just jumped the bandwagon, and is just slow as hell. It's a downright disaster if they manage to win.

Let's face it, Miracles is having a firm grip on player's deck choices. Makes you wonder; when will WotC take the banhammer and smash Miracles with it...?
When Aaron Forsythe gets off his lazy ass.

People should start to nag him (@mtgaaron) and WotC in general (@Wizards_Help) about the topic instead of just making undirected statements on Twitter.

[Whitefaces]

TBH no blue deck can be considered the "Miracles killer." You want to beat Miracles, play 4c Loam.

Predict shits on Loam, this just isn't true anymore.

[CptHaddock]

Predict shits on Loam, this just isn't true anymore.

That's not true, 4c loam is the deck to pick if you want to win most of your game 1s against miracles and in game 2 and 3 you can hope that variance doesn't bite you in the ass and that the miracles player doesn't draw all billion of the answers they have.

[Pilhas]

Predict shits on Loam, this just isn't true anymore.

Yep, Matchup got a bit more trickier, especially because you never know if they are on mentor/entreat/both

[Dice_Box]

I actually stomp Miracles with Stax thanks to Bridge, Tabernacle and Crucible/Ghost Quarter. The issue is the deck dies to a well timed Decay. Also MUD (Mono Colourless) can beat Miracles, it just can't beat anything else.

[JDK]

The issue is the deck dies to a well timed Decay.
And itself, right? :P

[Dice_Box]

And itself, right? :P
I plead the fifth.

[Megadeus]

And if Loam ever actually got to be a big % of the meta to fight miracles they could easily slot in 2-3 RIP and send Loam back to hell

[Barook]

And if Loam ever actually got to be a big % of the meta to fight miracles they could easily slot in 2-3 RIP and send Loam back to hell
That, or running a combination of Snapcasters + Surgical, depending on the meta.

[thecrav]

Let's face it, THE BEST DECK is having a firm grip on player's deck choices. Makes you wonder; when will WotC take the banhammer and smash THE BEST DECK with it...?

[maharis]

The draw of legacy is that it isn't really supposed to have a "best deck," right? Like it's supposed to be crazy diverse?

It's just musical chairs under Miracles. If there were SCG opens every week Miracles would be even more omnipresent. You look at the way players make deck choices, the day 2/top 8/winner conversion rate of the deck at large tournaments, you're basically having to answer the question "Why should I not play Miracles?" if you want to make a serious run at a big tournament.

[iatee]

Part of why Miracles is as strong as it is - people continue to play their pet decks that are terrible against Miracles, because they secretly hope to dodge it.

People don't do that in other formats because they *aren't* as diverse as legacy. You can't show up to a Standard tournament with a deck that has terrible matchups vs Mardu Vehicles and 4c Saheeli and expect to do well. But people continue to show up with linear Delver/Elves type strategies that fold hard to what Miracles is doing, and guess what, Miracles ends up winning a lot. This is a 'stop hitting yourself' situation.

[maharis]

Part of why Miracles is as strong as it is - people continue to play their pet decks that are terrible against Miracles, because they secretly hope to dodge it.

People don't do that in other formats because they *aren't* as diverse as legacy. You can't show up to a Standard tournament with a deck that has terrible matchups vs Mardu Vehicles and 4c Saheeli and expect to do well. But people continue to show up with linear Delver/Elves type strategies that fold hard to what Miracles is doing, and guess what, Miracles ends up winning a lot. This is a 'stop hitting yourself' situation.

You can't seriously call Delver and Elves "pet decks." One advantage those decks have is that they are well-equipped to fight the kinds of decks that are built to beat Miracles (like czech pile). The problem is that the format is Miracles, decks built to beat Miracles, and decks that only succeed because of the tug-of-war between Miracles and the decks that beat it.

Also, no one who actually wants to win a tournament can hope to dodge Miracles. If they do, they are ignoring mountains of data that find Miracles as the biggest day 2 deck, best top 8 conversion, etc. You will have to play against it at some point.

[iatee]

If your deck has a terrible matchup vs the best deck in the format, it basically is a pet deck. And yeah that includes Elves + all Delver variants that aren't tuned to have a very good Miracles matchup. Nobody forces people to play the card Delver of Secrets.

[Hanni]

lol @ every thread ever devolving into Miracles bashing.

[non-inflammable]

lol @ every thread ever devolving into Miracles bashing.

and with replies about how it's so skill intense and a "fair" deck with many 50/50 match-ups...

[CptHaddock]

If your deck has a terrible matchup vs the best deck in the format, it basically is a pet deck. And yeah that includes Elves + all Delver variants that aren't tuned to have a very good Miracles matchup. Nobody forces people to play the card Delver of Secrets.

Do you feel like if your deck was playing delver of secrets and accompanying cards you would have beaten the big red player for your top 8 win and in?

[iatee]

Unlike Delver decks, DnT doesn't autolose to Chalice on 1 or Blood Moon, so...no?

It's a great matchup (even more so for Mono-W and if you're playing Containment Priests.) He hit his sideboard cards and I was mana screwed / had to scry my Path to Exile to the bottom for my 6 w/ one land. If I had another land in my hand I would have kept it and g3 would have been close, even vs t2 Godo on the play and a Sulfur Elemental.

They're very soft to mana denial since they're trying to resolve something huge. And unlike most legacy decks DnT isn't just dead to one of their creatures hitting the battlefield because of STP/Karakas/Fwisp etc. Yes they can have unbeatable draws like most fast combo, but most of what they're doing is something DnT can actually interact with. Honestly, I would take it over most matchups.

[CutthroatCasual]

And if Loam ever actually got to be a big % of the meta to fight miracles they could easily slot in 2-3 RIP and send Loam back to hell

RIP actually doesn't hurt Loam that much. It's less reliant on Landcestral Recall than RG Lands is.

[Megadeus]

RIP actually doesn't hurt Loam that much. It's less reliant on Landcestral Recall than RG Lands is.

That's not true at all. It's probably less reliant than it used to be, but it neuters Knights, Loam Engine (your card advantage), and PFire. At that point your deck is very bad and at least RG lands at least has crop rotation to find DD combo and they play the full set of DD combo pieces whereas with Loam you generally don't play that many.

[Bryant Cook]

My report from the classic: http://www.theepicstorm.com/scg-worcester-0407-092017/