Planeswalkers are Legendary, now?

[mcfarland]

From this page (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/ixalan-mechanics).

"Starting with this set, all planeswalkers past, present, and future will have the supertype legendary. They will also be subject to the "legend rule." The "planeswalker uniqueness rule" is going away. What does this mean? In short, everything that's true about legendary permanents will now be true about legendary planeswalkers. Also note that this does not mean legendary planeswalkers can be your Commander unless an ability says so."

So it seems that certain cards, like Empress Galina or Sisay can interact with Planeswalkers moving forward. Does this open up any playable design space in Legacy?

[Echelon]

Nic Fit Superfriends perhaps? But that's probably it.

[Barook]

I can see JMS and Baby Jace going into certain decks. Same goes with both 3 mana Lilianas, although probably not as much as Jace.

Gideon of the Trials gets a massive boost since you can spam the board with various Gideon walkers. I wouldn't be suprised if we reached the critical mass for Gideon Stompy at some point.

[PirateKing]

Animated Gideons become vulnerable to Karakas.
Going to be a few more odd interactions as well.

[Fox]

I assume JTMS on board with un-flipped flip-jace is still okay with this change.....and flipped JVP + JTMS is also possible without sacrifice?

[morgan_coke]

I think Gideon of the Trials might actually work better with Gideon Jura than Ally of Zendikar, simply because of how the two cards' + abilities interact. They also both fit better in control shells than Ally of Zendikar does. But I dunno, maybe run all three?

[PirateKing]

I assume JTMS on board with un-flipped flip-jace is still okay with this change.....and flipped JVP + JTMS is also possible without sacrifice?

Yeah, Legend Rule only ever cared about the name. Hence Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Thalia, Heretic Cathar were cool to highfive on the battlefield.

And so speaking of the Legend Rule, who whats to help me brew a Mirror Gallery deck :laugh:

[Finn]

Kamigawa cards we never cared about may not suck as much in a deck of planeswalkers.

Honor-Worn Shaku
Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper

[Barook]

Heart of Kiran might also benefit from Planeswalker spam.

The idea of legendary Nic Fit with GSZ-able Sisay and a bunch of Planeswalker sounds fun.

The Gatewatch Oaths might also get better when you can play multiple planeswalkers.

[Cire]

I can see a deck sort of like this to start - but it doesn't seem that good :rolleyes::

18 Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Mox Diamond

4 Heart of Kiran
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere

12 Gideons of whatever
6 ?

[square_two]

I can see a deck sort of like this to start - but it doesn't seem that good :rolleyes::

18 Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Mox Diamond

4 Heart of Kiran
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere

12 Gideons of whatever
6 ?

About as far as I got.

2 Karakas
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Mox Diamond // edit: actually chrome mox feels way better here?
4 Flagstones of Trokair
8 Plains

3 Heart of Kiran
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
3 Wrath of God
3 Armageddon
1 Oblivion Ring
3 Ghostly Prison

4 Gideon of the Trials
4 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
4 Gideon Jura
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Very dutch-staxy. Moat sort of works with Heart of Kiran + Elspeth but Ghostly allows our beefslab army to get in and compliments Armageddon. I like the additional combo hate that Trial Gideon might provide.

[Cire]

Would Liliana or Garruk stompy be better? Liliana won't really be stompy - but running 12 sol lands (including Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper) plus dark ritual can get the bigger liliana's out faster - and garruk . . . seems easier to cast with a sol land mana base? They don't have the Gideon of the trial synergy though - and i think that's probably the best thing to exploit.

[square_two]

Would Liliana or Garruk stompy be better? Liliana won't really be stompy - but running 12 sol lands (including Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper) plus dark ritual can get the bigger liliana's out faster - and garruk . . . seems easier to cast with a sol land mana base? They don't have the Gideon of the trial synergy though - and i think that's probably the best thing to exploit.

Garruk Wildspeaker untapping sol lands can be pretty busted - one way I've hardcast Ugin when running Eureka-Order.

[bruizar]

About as far as I got.

2 Karakas
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Mox Diamond // edit: actually chrome mox feels way better here?
4 Flagstones of Trokair
8 Plains

3 Heart of Kiran
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
3 Wrath of God
3 Armageddon
1 Oblivion Ring
3 Ghostly Prison

4 Gideon of the Trials
4 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
4 Gideon Jura
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Very dutch-staxy. Moat sort of works with Heart of Kiran + Elspeth but Ghostly allows our beefslab army to get in and compliments Armageddon. I like the additional combo hate that Trial Gideon might provide.


This list needs 4x humility. Layers my friend, layers :-) Humideon.dec?




For historical reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=vBSY0f7Yuj0

[procobrito]

A Shardless Agent putting Liliana of the veil and last hope in the field would be fun too.

[H]

A Shardless Agent putting Liliana of the veil and last hope in the field would be fun too.

I guess you mean Bloodbraid Elf though, they didn't change the rules for Cascade.

[procobrito]

I guess you mean Bloodbraid Elf though, they didn't change the rules for Cascade.

ops, my bad

[H]

ops, my bad

A Jund deck using both Liliana otV and Last Hope could be pretty decent in fair match-ups though. Last Hope even lets you get back BBE's to Cascade into more stuff too. Probably would be best to cut Punishing Fire's at that point, but you'd still have a ton of removal.

[procobrito]

A Jund deck using both Liliana otV and Last Hope could be pretty decent in fair match-ups though. Last Hope even lets you get back BBE's to Cascade into more stuff too. Probably would be best to cut Punishing Fire's at that point, but you'd still have a ton of removal.

I could even add Liliana, Heretical Healer, since you could use of the veil to flip it in the same turn, lol.

Tezzerator maybe happen with the new rule too.

[Barook]

A Jund deck using both Liliana otV and Last Hope could be pretty decent in fair match-ups though. Last Hope even lets you get back BBE's to Cascade into more stuff too. Probably would be best to cut Punishing Fire's at that point, but you'd still have a ton of removal.
Last Hope can help to dig for Punishing Fire, though. Maybe throwing even in 1-2 Life from the Loam for the hell of it.

Or maybe a Junk build with KotR and Ramunap Excavator?

Edit: I just noticed: You can now have both sides of Garruk Relentless/Garruk, The Veil-Cursed on the battlefield. :eek: Massive upgrade right there.

[morgan_coke]

There are a lot of X/1's in Legacy. Last Hope eats them while her sister finishes off the big guys. They're a really strong pair, and it's important to note, can both be cast off of a Dark Ritual. Or t2 off a DRS of course.

[Barook]

There are a lot of X/1's in Legacy. Last Hope eats them while her sister finishes off the big guys. They're a really strong pair, and it's important to note, can both be cast off of a Dark Ritual. Or t2 off a DRS of course.
A more fringe interaction, but you can bring back creatures discarded with Veil Liliana with Last Hope. Both also fuel DRS shenanigans. That's alot of synergy for cards that are good on their own.

[joven]

Flavor- and gameplay-wise the rules change sucks like hell!
Planeswalkers were always designed with the Planeswalker Uniqueness Rule in mind.

Being attacked by multiple Gideon creatures is just dumb! Like "quit-the-game"-dumb!
The Two-Liliana-Lock will also be quite miserable to play against and might force the ban hammer sooner or later (at least in Modern).

Also, it will make expensive planeswalkers even more expensive which contributes to the general accessibility problem (Legacy, Modern, Standard).

The Planeswalker Uniqueness Rule was the sophisticated one while the Legendary Rule often failed (flavorwise).

[rufus]

Does doubling up on the Gideon Jura +1 with e.g. Sakashima the Imposter cause a problem on MODO?

[morgan_coke]

I had two Gideon's out at the same time earlier today in a game. It was GLORIOUS.

(and victorious)

[Phoenix Ignition]

Does doubling up on the Gideon Jura +1 with e.g. Sakashima the Imposter cause a problem on MODO?

Probably. But then again so does trying to use stuff like Cavern of Souls for its intended purpose.