Iconic Masters Release Notes - Changes to Magus and Blood Moon

[Technics]

If a nonbasic land has an ability that applies "as [this land] enters the battlefield" or that causes it to enter the battlefield tapped or with counters, the land will lose that ability before it applies. This is a change from previous rules.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/iconic-masters-release-notes-2017-09-11

[Technics]

Dark Depths just got a big power up against Blood Moon.

[Claymore]

so does this impact Humility too, or is this just a Blood Moon/Magus change

Impacts Revoker, Clones, TNN...

I want a Blood Moon Stax Depths deck.

[square_two]

so does this impact Humility too, or is this just a Blood Moon/Magus change

Impacts Revoker, Clones, TNN...

I want a Blood Moon Stax Depths deck.

Yes applies to Humility effects as well.

https://twitter.com/CubeApril/status/907275460165472257

Only relevant thing I can think of is stuff like Endless One and Walking Ballista now don't get counters under a Humility. Stuff like Revoker, TNN, Painter's Servant now no longer get their naming/color and won't work under the Humility -nor- after the Humility gets removed.

Also note, Overwhelming Splendor has similar effect. Only deck I can think of that runs that one is nic fit variant with Academy Rector.

Edit: fixed, they enter as blank 1/1's.

[mgrinshpon]

I want a Blood Moon Stax Depths deck.

You can use your own smokestack to sacrifice your blood moon if necessary.

[CptHaddock]

You can use your own smokestack to sacrifice your blood moon if necessary.

Crack the earth You can play blood moon depths now.

[procobrito]

don't forget:

Soldevi Excavations
Balduvian Trading Post
Lotus Vale
Scorched Ruins
Lake of the Dead
Kjeldoran Outpost


Play magus turn two, Lotus Vale turn 3 and sac the magus... now a real red ramp

[mgrinshpon]

Crack the earth You can play blood moon depths now.

If I'm playing a moon-stax deck, I'd probably want 4x Chalice of the Void, too, but I like where your head's at.

[Ingo]

Crack the earth You can play blood moon depths now.

If you can afford splashing white, angelic purge seems good too.

[Barook]

If I'm playing a moon-stax deck, I'd probably want 4x Chalice of the Void, too, but I like where your head's at.
There are plenty of options to get around that, aside from Smockstack, e.g.:

Claws of Gix
Jinxed Ring
Oblivion Stone
Ugin's Construct

Claw of Gix is probably the best and fastest one.

[Cire]

Moon Depths?

8 Moon
4 Chalice
4 Mox Diamond

10 Ways to Kill your own Moon
10 Other?

8 Sol Lands
8 Mountains
4 Dark Depths
4 Thespian's Stage

[mistercakes]

Chaos warp, snokestack

[Claymore]

Splash white could get Solemnity, except you then awkwardly have to explain the interaction with Smokestacks.

[Barook]

Moon Depths?

8 Moon
4 Chalice
4 Mox Diamond

10 Ways to Kill your own Moon
10 Other?

8 Sol Lands
8 Mountains
4 Dark Depths
4 Thespian's Stage
I'm not sold on only having 4 wincons and being a sitting duck otherwise with no library manipulation.

Expedition Map would be good to find either way of the land combo, but clashes with Chalice. Making the deck R/G with access to stuff like Sylvan Library, Sylvan Scrying, Life from the Loam etc. and maybe some GSZ package for utility (and getting rid of Blood Moon via Reclamation Sage)?

[Ronald Deuce]

Maybe this is just because I've never played a deck with more than one copy and I've never seen it get copied, but I didn't know that playing a second Elesh Norn would give all opposing creatures -4/-4 (and friendlies +4/+4, for what it's worth) before one Elesh died. Is this a change, or was it always like this?

[Barook]

Maybe this is just because I've never played a deck with more than one copy and I've never seen it get copied, but I didn't know that playing a second Elesh Norn would give all opposing creatures -4/-4 (and friendlies +4/+4, for what it's worth) before one Elesh died. Is this a change, or was it always like this?
Apparently it has been always like this - which makes sense, considering the dupe Elesh Norn and the opponent's creature's die at the same time due to state-based effects.

It's just that the case of two Elesh Norn never comes up because most people only play one copy.

[ronco]

if you are going the blood moon route, why not just bounce it instead of sacrificing it for use later?
chain of vapor among others.... plus you can do it on their turn and get the lage and be able to attack on your turn.

[Ingo]

if you are going the blood moon route, why not just bounce it instead of sacrificing it for use later?
chain of vapor among others.... plus you can do it on their turn and get the lage and be able to attack on your turn.

Or Flickerwisp, and Magus of the Moon already sees play in D&T sometimes. Maybe there's a D&T version featuring Marit Lage out there.

[Di]

If you're in a position where you have Blood Moon in play, do you honestly want it to leave play against ~80% of the decks you'll face?

Let's just think about this for a moment.

[Technics]

If you're in a position where you have Blood Moon in play, do you honestly want it to leave play against ~80% of the decks you'll face?

Let's just think about this for a moment.

Do I want to end of turn trade my Blood Moon for a flying 20/20? Yes there are tons of situations where I want this.

However does the deck that shell fits into seem good? That I'm not sure about.

[procobrito]

When, with flickerwisp you still get your moon effect at the end step. And the depths helped you with one R mana.

[dunstilbrejik]

When, with flickerwisp you still get your moon effect at the end step. And the depths helped you with one R mana.
I think that's the better route, white for flickerwisp, cloudshift etc. (except for the chalice deal, but I'm not sure that's exactly necessary).

[Barook]

I think that's the better route, white for flickerwisp, cloudshift etc. (except for the chalice deal, but I'm not sure that's exactly necessary).
Do instant flicker effects even work? It sounds like the state-based effects apply before you get any chance to get a DD trigger.

[H]

Do instant flicker effects even work? It sounds like the state-based effects apply before you get any chance to get a DD trigger.

I'm pretty sure you need priority for it to work, so I think Cloudshift is a no-go.

[16km]

When, with flickerwisp you still get your moon effect at the end step. And the depths helped you with one R mana.

If you have White, you also get access to Porphyry Nodes and Solemnity. Swords to Plowshares for the mirror?

[UseLess]

R/W Moon Depths, it sounds awesome! Or more cheesy, just call it Dark side of the Moon. Either way: #MakePlateauGreatAgain

In more seriousness, The issue I foresee is that it suddenly matters in which order you play your combo pieces. Playing a Dark Depths without Moon effect is kinda meh, so you probably want both Blood Moon and Magus of the Moon. With so many three drops, a Tomb/City manabase is most likely and then playing two colors is less attractive. Nevertheless, I hope some kind of Moon Depths will pop up, it sounds pretty sweet.

[genuine fugazi]

R/W Moon Depths, it sounds awesome! Or more cheesy, just call it Dark side of the Moon. Either way: #MakePlateauGreatAgain

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