Bernkastel
09-18-2017, 04:16 AM
Or really any CA spell that lets you draw a bunch of cards on the cheap, but aren't played because it mutually benefits your opponent as well.
The only one I can think of is this 3 cmc blue spell that nobody could abuse in the past since you're forced to end your turn immediately. (I do not know the name of this card so I would appreciate some help)
I had an epiphany on the toilet just now you see.. I have been drafting alot of MTGO Vintage Cube Richman style on X-mage and I've drafted some really stellar Storm decks that blow any legacy deck out of the waters. The common support for these vintage cube storm archetypes beyond the obvious stuff you would see in constructed Legacy + Vintage storm was the draw 7s in Timetwister, Time Spiral, Memory Jar, and Wheel of Fortune coupled with Fastbond.
Well guess what creature would sometimes make the cut among a selection of uber powerful cards and busted interactions that you never expect in any storm deck? Leovald
Why? Because the interaction between Leovald and the Timetwisters is busted enough to justify his inclusion.
As for how all of this ties into the Legacy format despite the reliance on banned cards? Well, I believe the Leovald + Timetwister combo is strong enough on its own merits that the usage of weaker iterations just might suffice enough for your format. The advantage of this 2-card combo among the countless others available in Legacy is that doesn't involve cards that are dead on their own. Obvious Leovald is obvious. The legacy legal Timetwister-esque effects are subpar as there's most likely some limitation that prevents them from being chained or too expensive; otherwise I'm sure they would had been utilized in Storm archetypes and subsequently banned. However they still leave you with a grip full of gas on its own and this gives it the unnatural ability to fuel its own combo.
Well, I want to steer clear of any that are too expensive for Storm because they're probably uncastable, so the focus would be on the cheap ones that have some condition prevent it from being chained. I would also prefer to keep it in BUG colors. Anyways, if there's a critical mass of these draw 7s then that enable powerful cards like Mox Diamond that don't see play as a result of the card disadvantage since you would never suffer the consequences with all the draw 7s. You could even say this hypothetical deck would be a natural for Force of Will if it ever had any.
This hypothetical deck's spell compilation should all ideally fit neatly in the categories of fast mana, disruption, and the Leovalds. The only other creature I would think to play are the Deathrite Shamans since it can be classified as fast mana with situational disruption potential. The goal here is to asymmetrically benefit from your draw 7s to abuse them so they aren't bad without Leovald in play. I would also want to play the closest approximation to Fastbond for reasons of deploying your hand faster while simultaneously lowering the land count the next Timetwister would draw into to make it that much more potent.
Of course, this is all assuming there is even this critical mass of Timetwister like effects that are legal in Legacy. Truth be told, I actually wanted to post this in the constructed Vintage subsection but it's so bereft of activity that it seems pointless. Reddit and MTGsalv can go suck themselves, and if I get shitty responses from trash scrubs, then this will be my last thread here. I will just conclude there's no public forums for MTG where people with talent actually congregate. I do not compete, because of persisting legal limitations for around a decade now. I just like brewing competitive decks that I can call my own for fun, but the the Legacy card pool is too steep for a hobby I'm not that heavily committed in. IF I'm supported, I will at least put effort into constructing some rough draft
I wanted to ask why is there no attempt to abuse Timetwisters and Timespirals in conjunction with Leovald in probably a storm shell supported with Fastbond. I've never played that format before, but I suspect the answer is tied to why people don't play Fastbond there of which I won't elaborate further into this speculation because none of you guys will probably care.
The only thing I really want to write is this; Reid Duke I am disappointed. You're like the only so-called MTG pro that actually has talent I have some respect for I can think of right now. So you can better imagine how steep of a threshold it is for me to acknowledge talent; I think LSV is a luck sacking idiot just slightly ahead of the rest of the trash. I seen your video attempting to bring Leovald into constructed Vintage. Why do you not even bother with Timetwisters or Time Spirals? You can easily power them out and even abuse with Fastbond; a card you don't have to splash for. This also same Vintage deck with a higher land count builtin because you're main decking hate for all the fast artifact mana. Maybe your Greensun zenith experimentation may had panned out better results with the inclusion of Fastbond since there are some situationally busted creatures like Lotus Cobra with Fastbond out. I suspect you've already given up on Leovald in Vintage because you would had withheld posting your video until you won an event with it. I suppose you did acknowledge somewhere you're only good at refining existing decks.
Anyone who has personal connections with Reid, pls do me the honor relaying thread.
The only one I can think of is this 3 cmc blue spell that nobody could abuse in the past since you're forced to end your turn immediately. (I do not know the name of this card so I would appreciate some help)
I had an epiphany on the toilet just now you see.. I have been drafting alot of MTGO Vintage Cube Richman style on X-mage and I've drafted some really stellar Storm decks that blow any legacy deck out of the waters. The common support for these vintage cube storm archetypes beyond the obvious stuff you would see in constructed Legacy + Vintage storm was the draw 7s in Timetwister, Time Spiral, Memory Jar, and Wheel of Fortune coupled with Fastbond.
Well guess what creature would sometimes make the cut among a selection of uber powerful cards and busted interactions that you never expect in any storm deck? Leovald
Why? Because the interaction between Leovald and the Timetwisters is busted enough to justify his inclusion.
As for how all of this ties into the Legacy format despite the reliance on banned cards? Well, I believe the Leovald + Timetwister combo is strong enough on its own merits that the usage of weaker iterations just might suffice enough for your format. The advantage of this 2-card combo among the countless others available in Legacy is that doesn't involve cards that are dead on their own. Obvious Leovald is obvious. The legacy legal Timetwister-esque effects are subpar as there's most likely some limitation that prevents them from being chained or too expensive; otherwise I'm sure they would had been utilized in Storm archetypes and subsequently banned. However they still leave you with a grip full of gas on its own and this gives it the unnatural ability to fuel its own combo.
Well, I want to steer clear of any that are too expensive for Storm because they're probably uncastable, so the focus would be on the cheap ones that have some condition prevent it from being chained. I would also prefer to keep it in BUG colors. Anyways, if there's a critical mass of these draw 7s then that enable powerful cards like Mox Diamond that don't see play as a result of the card disadvantage since you would never suffer the consequences with all the draw 7s. You could even say this hypothetical deck would be a natural for Force of Will if it ever had any.
This hypothetical deck's spell compilation should all ideally fit neatly in the categories of fast mana, disruption, and the Leovalds. The only other creature I would think to play are the Deathrite Shamans since it can be classified as fast mana with situational disruption potential. The goal here is to asymmetrically benefit from your draw 7s to abuse them so they aren't bad without Leovald in play. I would also want to play the closest approximation to Fastbond for reasons of deploying your hand faster while simultaneously lowering the land count the next Timetwister would draw into to make it that much more potent.
Of course, this is all assuming there is even this critical mass of Timetwister like effects that are legal in Legacy. Truth be told, I actually wanted to post this in the constructed Vintage subsection but it's so bereft of activity that it seems pointless. Reddit and MTGsalv can go suck themselves, and if I get shitty responses from trash scrubs, then this will be my last thread here. I will just conclude there's no public forums for MTG where people with talent actually congregate. I do not compete, because of persisting legal limitations for around a decade now. I just like brewing competitive decks that I can call my own for fun, but the the Legacy card pool is too steep for a hobby I'm not that heavily committed in. IF I'm supported, I will at least put effort into constructing some rough draft
I wanted to ask why is there no attempt to abuse Timetwisters and Timespirals in conjunction with Leovald in probably a storm shell supported with Fastbond. I've never played that format before, but I suspect the answer is tied to why people don't play Fastbond there of which I won't elaborate further into this speculation because none of you guys will probably care.
The only thing I really want to write is this; Reid Duke I am disappointed. You're like the only so-called MTG pro that actually has talent I have some respect for I can think of right now. So you can better imagine how steep of a threshold it is for me to acknowledge talent; I think LSV is a luck sacking idiot just slightly ahead of the rest of the trash. I seen your video attempting to bring Leovald into constructed Vintage. Why do you not even bother with Timetwisters or Time Spirals? You can easily power them out and even abuse with Fastbond; a card you don't have to splash for. This also same Vintage deck with a higher land count builtin because you're main decking hate for all the fast artifact mana. Maybe your Greensun zenith experimentation may had panned out better results with the inclusion of Fastbond since there are some situationally busted creatures like Lotus Cobra with Fastbond out. I suspect you've already given up on Leovald in Vintage because you would had withheld posting your video until you won an event with it. I suppose you did acknowledge somewhere you're only good at refining existing decks.
Anyone who has personal connections with Reid, pls do me the honor relaying thread.