Pirate Stompy

[f7eleven]

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Been working on a new deck trying to take advantage of Ixalan's Siren's Ruse to blink Mercadian Masques pirates. The rest is just a standard stompy shell. And there's a small SFM-like package w/ the new Deadeye Quartermaster.

Here's the list atm:

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 City of Traitors
1 Island
4 Saprazzan Skerry
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
4 Deadeye Quartermaster
1 Fell Flagship
4 Force of Will
4 Lookout's Dispersal
4 Rishadan Brigand
4 Rishadan Cutpurse
4 Rishadan Footpad
4 Siren's Ruse
1 Smuggler's Copter
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Umezawa's Jitte

*edit, this is NOT "The List"

[TLK]

4 Quartermaster (and ways to blink it) seems too many with only three targets. Maybe cut a few for Snapcaster Mage?

[Redkid43]

Is this the list?!

[Undomian]

Lookout's Dispersal seems awful. If you want that effect you have Mana Leak, and that's always 2 mana.

[TLK]

Worth splashing White for Cloudshift? Blinks for a white. Also opens up sideboard options.

[Redkid43]

With Chalice, probably not.

[Zombie]

Ghostly Flicker?

[(nameless one)]

If the deck is splashing white, would Brago and Astral Slide be in consideration?

[filln]

Assuming this isn't a hilarious and impressively coordinated trolling effort (a Ruse, even), is there some way to abuse Hostage Taker and Siren's Ruse to either generate an insane amount of value or combo off? Trying to figure out whether you can loop the ETB and triggers somehow.

[Kaono]

Dispersal is almost definitely wrong.

Chalice might not be correct either, I'm not sure yet. I think the better choice is either thorn of amethyst or sphere of resistance, since we want them to tap out not sit on dead spells -- that said chalice is just so good it might just be autoinclude.

Has anyone considered snap? Generates mana with sol lands and allows more rebuys of pirates and is another target for snapcaster.

Also, I've heard mention this is a "combo" deck, whereas right now stompy != combo. Does helm of awakening belong? It seems like a heavy non-bo with the mana-denial plan, but then again it allows for some cool interactions with snap, snapcaster and ruse.

[filln]

Dispersal is almost definitely wrong.

Chalice is probably not correct either, I think the better choice is either thorn of amethyst or sphere of resistance, since we want them to tap out.

Has anyone considered snap? Generates mana with sol lands and allows more rebuys of pirates and is another target for snapcaster.

Snap Snapcaster Snap would be the dream.

[iatee]

One thing I find infuriating about this community is that as soon as someone has something, everyone else feels like they're automatically entitled to it. Have you guys considered that if a team of players spent a long time developing a deck that breaks the format, maybe you should let them keep it to themselves for at least one big tournament? I know these guys and I know how hard they worked on it.

I'm wondering if mods would consider locking this thread until the owners of this information decide to share it.

[Kaono]

One thing I find infuriating about this community is that as soon as someone has something, everyone else feels like they're automatically entitled to it. Have you guys considered that if a team of players spent a long time developing a deck that breaks the format, maybe you should let them keep it to themselves for at least one big tournament? I know these guys and I know how hard they worked on it.

I'm wondering if mods would consider locking this thread until the owners of this information decide to share it.

If anything your comment should be removed for being wildly off-topic. People are discussing a deck here, any meta discussion about "entitlement" or whatever you're harping about should go elsewhere. Keep in the mind the creators of the deck played it publicly on MTGO, therefore their right to privacy has flown out the window completely.

Back to the conversation at hand regarding the deck, another option to consider is something like Urza's Incubator. It's agonizingly slow, but set on human (which cavern should be set to as well) it provides a nice engine.

[iatee]

If anything your comment should be removed for being wildly off-topic. People are discussing a deck here, any meta discussion about "entitlement" or whatever you're harping about should go elsewhere. Keep in the mind the creators of the deck played it publicly on MTGO, therefore their "right" to "privacy" has flown out the window completely.

Where exactly did I use the words 'right' or 'privacy'?

Nobody has a 'right' to anything obviously - not the team that broke Pirates, and not the people here. That said, I think that the ethical thing to do when people create something is to let them have it for a while. Not everyone is going to agree with me, but I don't think that's a crazy thing to believe.

[Scordata]

I'm crushing it on Cockatrice with a similar list.

I feel like this could be the next thunderbluff. Hope we don't end up back to Anaba Grunt power levels.

[bruizar]

One thing I find infuriating about this community is that as soon as someone has something, everyone else feels like they're automatically entitled to it. Have you guys considered that if a team of players spent a long time developing a deck that breaks the format, maybe you should let them keep it to themselves for at least one big tournament? I know these guys and I know how hard they worked on it.

I'm wondering if mods would consider locking this thread until the owners of this information decide to share it.

Exactly this happened with nic fit. To this day the creator of the thread has not given credits to the playgroup that developed the first version of it. In any case, not playing Hostage Taker is probably wrong.

[iatee]

That's kinda funny actually, cause Nic Fit is Popeye Stompy's (can someone please note that that's the official deckname, always has been) only bad matchup.

[mistercakes]

People are the worst. Not even one bit of credit towards the actual deck developers.

At least people stealing credit is happening on a pirate deck.

When the real developers of this deck reveal their list, let's close this thread and start a proper one.

[Aggro_zombies]

In a game with as many players as Magic has, there's bound to be dozens of "creators" behind every single deck. For example, was this deck created by these guys de novo, or is just a logical outgrowth of Faerie Stompy? Should we be crediting Eldariel here, or the creator of the first aggro-prison deck in general, or what?

Please keep discussion on topic and limited to the deck itself.

[thehumanblob]

Here is what I have come up with (this is not "the list"):

4x Chrome Mox

4x Rishadan Brigrand
4x Rishadan Cutpurse
4x Rishadan Footpad
4x Snapcaster MAge

4x Brainstorm
4x Force of Will
4x Siren's Ruse
4x Snap

4x Gitaxian Probe

4x Ancient Tomb
2x City of Traitors
2x Cavern of Souls
4x Island
2x Misty Rainforest
2x Polluted Delta
1x Flooded Strand
1x Scalding Tarn
2x Saprazzan Skerry

Some notes:
I don't think this archetype is very good. Yes it does beat the Czech Pile and 4 color control decks with relative ease, but it seriously struggles against delver. It's hard to play around counterspells without Cavern of Souls, and a resolved Young Pyromancer is basically game over.

[pinkfrosting]

If you're blinking/returning creatures to hand at instant speed, Chart a Course feels like the natural draw engine for the deck. You can attack with pretty much any creature with no consequence since you can just blink/bounce it, and then second main draw two cards, sometimes with lands that you untapped with snap. Seems pretty great. Also 2cmc for builds playing chalice.

[bruizar]

Andddddd every foil online is bought out again. You'd start to think people brew lists only to spike the foils.

[mistercakes]

i'm not sure if this has been tried recently, but the old card that people tried to pair with the pirates back in old masques standard was tangle wire.

[bruizar]

This will make the deck unfocused so it is a bad idea but Skyship Plunderer looks cute with chalice of the void and jitte.

[mistercakes]

This will make the deck unfocused so it is a bad idea but Skyship Plunderer looks cute with chalice of the void and jitte.

well that does seem awesome with tangle wire.

[Barook]

I'm annoyed that everybody throws around "The List" here and on Twitter without posting it - either you post it or you shut up about it until Eternal Weekend is over instead of blueballing us.

Snapcaster seems pretty bad in the Sol land build as he's starved on targets. Flashbacking FoW would be rare and running it only for Siren's Ruse?

How good is the permanent sac plan without mana denial anyway?

[Xod]

Snapcaster seems pretty bad in the Sol land build as he's starved on targets. Flashbacking FoW would be rare and running it only for Siren's Ruse?

How good is the permanent sac plan without mana denial anyway?

Well, it can also be used for Snap. But I follow your point. I think this 'bluedraft' of a list is nice, but I would replace Snapcaster mage with something different (also because I don't own any :laugh:)

I think you have (at least) 3 options here.

Daze: least best option I think with the Sol lands, it can or counter, or deplete there resources on there turn, so in your turn you can force them to sac a permanent
Tanglewire: I think is a very good option, but I guess you need quite some permanents to make good use of it, because tapping them out is ok, but if you can't pay for your pirates yourself, it's not really helpful :-)
Chalice: I think this should be the best option here. Sure, like mentioned, it doesn't deny mana, but it does deny more play, what I think this deck is doing. Plus, chalice and FOW, and blowing up permanents in a deck, common, it's cool :cool:


Chart a course could also be an option, but I think that Siren's Ruse will fill that role a bit.

And we can't play Trinisphere (if you want to play FOW).

Btw, for the YP and token problems, have you considered ratchet bomb from the side?

[bruizar]

well that does seem awesome with tangle wire.

Yeah that is really sweet. Btw.. This deck will be a thing of beauty with all those mercadian masques foils..

[Xod]

Btw, did anybody think about Complicate?

[bruizar]

This is my standard pirate control deck, it uses Disappearing Act to reuse Hostage Takers and Torrential Gearhulks

https://image.ibb.co/mXUQrG/Screen_Shot_2017_09_29_at_11_36_24_AM.png

Disappearing Act is UU, which sucks for this deck, but still worth considering.

[Dice_Box]

People are the worst. Not even one bit of credit towards the actual deck developers.

At least people stealing credit is happening on a pirate deck.

When the real developers of this deck reveal their list, let's close this thread and start a proper one.
For the record:

You can not steal an idea if you do not know what is it.
You are not stealing a deck list if you seek to, with the slimiest of infomation, try and build something on your own.
You can not credit someone if you do not know who they are.
You can not credit someone if they refuse to publish their works but wish to act as if they hold a patent anyway.
There is a long history of collaborative works in Magic, including on this site. It is why the Team boards are visible to only their team members.
If you test something in the public sphere you can not expect it will not leak, for a larger example of this ask Apple (http://appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/19/prototype_iphone_was_left_at_bar_by_apple_software_engineer).

One can not have it both ways, you can not both boast you have perfection while wishing others not to take notice. Right now we have buy outs on cards with little more than vague promises from a few people who may or may not have something. Who may or may not have made a run on those cards ahead of time. I for one actually wish to own these cards, it looks like a good Stax idea.

Dice.

[Xod]

I ordered them, and will be trying them out next week or the week after.

[kombatkiwi]

The problem with Chalice decks is that it's possible to win games in legacy with 8 Sol Lands 4 Chalices and 48 ham sandwiches, which makes it quite difficult to evaluate the various merits of the different sandwiches.
Even within the past like 2-3 months people got 5-0 results playing Chalice/As Foretold/Restore Balance, which to be honest isn't _that_ bad either.
I find it hard to believe that Rishadan Cutpurse is a better option than Blood Moon or Thought-Knot Seer but I could be wrong.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Motion to rename this thread pirates bay.

[Gheizen64]

Is this all an elaborate joke? Why are even people get so worked up over this.

[Quasim0ff]

Is this all an elaborate joke? Why are even people get so worked up over this.

Apperently, a team lead by Bob Huang, have had ABSURD testing results with what they call "Popeye Stompy" in their preperation for EW and people are trying to get their hands on decklist.

Julian posted a picture on twitter with his latest 5-0 with elves (ft. sb karakas) with two different decklists called "Popeye Stompy". He is also one of the persons rumoured to be testing it, probably up to next seasons MKM series, if I was to guess.

I don't know if it's a troll, but if it is, it seems absurd. SaffronOlive is looking for the decklist too, and have offered a Blood Moon (signed by himself) to whoever provides the decklist, and I doubt he would be in on such a joke.

[iatee]

Why are even people get so worked up over this.

I honestly have no idea why people are so (p)irate.

People, here's an idea: get some patience. The world isn't going to end if you have to wait a few weeks before seeing a decklist.

[H]

SaffronOlive is looking for the decklist too, and have offered a Blood Moon (signed by himself) to whoever provides the decklist, and I doubt he would be in on such a joke.

He doesn't need to be in on the joke to be a part of it. In fact, that's the whole point...

[H]

You guys, there is no way you can unlock the deep potential of this archetype until you fully understand the breadth of the interaction between Pirate Wrangler and Pirate Grunts. :rolleyes:

[mistercakes]

hoping this is fake. love to hurt the speculators.

[Zllig]

They *WERE* testing in private, which is why this whole thing is ridiculous. You don't scoop again and again at 4-0 for no reason. Do you know how many tix they effectively gave up to do that? Their opponents were given what was effectively free money and asked nothing in return other than to just keep things private. Unfortunately, some people have no morals - they took the wins and they didn't keep their end of the deal.

Your replies are so insane you have to be in on this on as well.

On a side note, this is the best thing to happen to legacy in so long. Almost 100 people viewing this thread? This is the most active I've seen the source in recent times on nonspoiler season.

Guess it's time to by some Skerrys...

[H]

On a side note, this is the best thing to happen to legacy in so long. Almost 100 people viewing this thread? This is the most active I've seen the source in recent times on nonspoiler season.

<Checks the time stamps>

Yep, about 11 years.

[Sansian]

They *WERE* testing in private, which is why this whole thing is ridiculous. You don't scoop again and again at 4-0 for no reason. Do you know how many tix they effectively gave up to do that? Their opponents were given what was effectively free money and asked nothing in return other than to just keep things private. Unfortunately, some people have no morals - they took the wins and they didn't keep their end of the deal.

That's not private. Testing in private would be playing against friends in a living room or against other people who agree to keep mum on the subject in private games online. These people tested in a league against at least 5 people who were assigned at random-- those people have no obligation to maintain a code of silence because someone asked them. Further, it's against the rules of magic to offer a conditional game result. So basically your friends are engaging in activities that are against the Code of Conduct on MODO. So... morals?

[iatee]

Calling me insane is entirely uncalled for. A little thing called ad hominem btw (look it up.)

I have a question for you guys: if people who actually innovate in magic aren't ever allowed to benefit from their innovations, what do you think the long-term consequences will be?

[Cire]

Never realized that reverse engineering was a sin

[bruizar]

Calling me insane is entirely uncalled for. A little thing called ad hominem btw (look it up.)

I have a question for you guys: if people who actually innovate in magic aren't ever allowed to benefit from their innovations, what do you think the long-term consequences will be?

I understand your point. I mean, I believe in academic integrity. What strikes me as stupid on the part of your test team is the fact that you go online and play with it in the first place. If it's that important to keep it under the hood, then keep it under the f****ng hood.

All brewers know that breaking the format with your own brew is living the dream. The guy(s) that went on MTGO with their decks just lost their chance to do so, cause no doubt Eternal Weekend will have a higher number of Imperial Painters at the ready to Pyroblast pirates (pirateblast?) out of the water (or to Davy Jones' locker), not to mention the 'hosing' effects of blood moon.

Sorry to tell you, but in the end, your team mates f***cked up.. Cat is out of the bag by now.

[square_two]

I don't think I've ever seen someone so inexplicably angry at something outside of the B&R thread on this website. If it was a 'big secret' they wouldn't have been testing on MTGO, simple as that. Honestly, what if they played against someone streaming or something?

Ok, looks like the opponent is casting Surgical Extraction...SHUT IT DOWN, SHUT IT ALL DOWN, UNPLUG THE INTERNET QUICK

[Cire]

If no one is close to the "List" then why are you so angry/worried?

[maharis]

The people working on it have been Tweeting about it, playing in public MTGO leagues... it's hard to argue they were trying too hard to keep it private other than not explicitly rushing off to post it online. (Which is fine!)

Still, based entirely on whatever information was in this post as of about 3pm Mountain time:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/comments/732me1/i_just_got_02d_by_some_weird_sirens_ruse_combo/

I came up with a list, shipped it to a friend, and he went 4-1. He was 4-0 before losing in the last round. At the time he started, I was still not ruling out some elaborate trolling attempt. Now it does seem the deck is real. The intrigue was funny and is making Legacy fun, I hope it doesn't just become a dick-measuring contest about who invented what.

[Whitefaces]

Fwiw, Popeye was a sailor, not a pirate.

[Sansian]

Fwiw, Popeye was a sailor, not a pirate.
Eye of Nowhere and River Kaijin confirmed?

[bruizar]

That's the funny thing - it's not out of the bag. Nobody's list is anywhere close to the final product and I seriously doubt anyone who isn't a top magic player (e.g. silver pro level or higher) will be able to come up with the deck before Eternal Weekend. Which means this thread is an enormous waste of time.

I think this is the coolest thread on thesource right now. Why don't you ask your team mates to post here? Obviously, they don't have to divulge their decklist yet, but it would be nice to see who is behind the pirate stompy deck idea. Also gives you a chance to appropriate the credits to the right party.

[H]

Fwiw, Popeye was a sailor, not a pirate.

You are right, Sailor of Means if a definite upgrade over Anaba Grunt.

I just ordered 10 playsets.

[bruizar]

I'm only angry about people breaking their promises - that's the only reason this whole thing started.



FTR I am not on the team, just friends with them. I do know the decklist though. The team is going to lay low until Eternal Weekend so that people aren't prepared for them (esp Nic Fit players, since that matchup is unwinnable if they know how to play it.) After the event, the deck will be revealed. I know they've already started writing content about the creation / testing process.

Resolve veteran explorer, wait for the sacrifice trigger andddddd PROFIT! Then, chain git probes into a sweet stream of cabal therapies, then rector into humility or worse, resolve blood moon, or combo off depending on the nicfit flavor.

Style points if the Nic Fit player kills you with a Vraska, Relic Seeker to outpirate the pirates

[Zllig]

I, for one, welcome our new Popeye/Nic Fit meta game.

Is this deck the new Nourishing Lich?

[Cire]

I'm only angry about people breaking their promises - that's the only reason this whole thing started.

Who broke their promises? :eyebrow:

Forgive me if I'm wrong - but it seems like some people created a deck - played it on a public forum - their opponents mentioned to people "its pirate stompy with ruse" - and people are excited to try to figure it out on their own.

Pirate stompy with ruse as a concept already gives you:

10-12 Rishidan Pirates
4 Ruse
4 Chalice
4 FOW
8 SOL lands

leaving the community to explore 28-30 cards. Most of those would be lands and the others the usual mix of blue stompy cards and maybe some "secret tech". Even if the "List" was public Info we would be in the same place arguing about those cards except the arguments would be "I tested that and it sucked, use this card instead" rather than "You shouldn't even be trying to figure out those 28-30 cards".

[danyul]

Whoever previously said it is right - this is the most exciting The Source has been in years.

I can't tell if I want this to be another Thunderbluff or if I want to actually face this weirdo deck at the top tables in two month's time.

HYPE HYPE HYPE

[Barook]

Transformational sideboard into Sneak & Show? What the fuck? (https://twitter.com/efil4zaknupome/status/913757477921071104) :confused:

What's the next secret tech? Ninjas? Although Ninja of the Deep Hour + the Rishadan Pirates would be actually pretty sweet tech.

[Echelon]

So if this new deck is going to be the shit, does this mean Nic Fit is going to become a tier 1 deck..? Lol

[maharis]

So if this new deck is going to be the shit, does this mean Nic Fit is going to become a tier 1 deck..? Lol

Actually I did all of this to save Nic Fit

[Sansian]

Actually I did all of this to save Nic Fit

God bless you.

[Barook]

For what it's worth, the Rishadan pirate thing was already a deck long ago in Extended. (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/retired-forums/retired-forums/extended-type-1-x/extended-archives/175196-pirates)

Still wondering what the "combo" is about. If it's just pirates + Siren Ruse, that would be pretty lame.

[bruizar]

For what it's worth, the Rishadan pirate thing was already a deck long ago in Extended. (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/retired-forums/retired-forums/extended-type-1-x/extended-archives/175196-pirates)

Still wondering what the "combo" is about. If it's just pirates + Siren Ruse, that would be pretty lame.

Well, I don't see any new cards that enable a combo that wasn't already available before Ixalan if we're not counting Siren's Ruse. Perhaps we're missing some vehicle or equipment that can be dug up by Quartermaster, but I doubt it.

Perhaps Deadeye Navigator?

[beebles]

transformational sideboard into sneak & show? What the fuck? (https://twitter.com/efil4zaknupome/status/913757477921071104) :confused:

What's the next secret tech? Ninjas? Although ninja of the deep hour + the rishadan pirates would be actually pretty sweet tech.

who leaked my secret ninja stompy tech?? Wtf dudes! We were gonna win the pro tour!!!

I am gonna lose it if people steal my atog stompy too

[Echelon]

Actually I did all of this to save Nic Fit

If only I weren't married already!

You're my hero!

[Minniehajj]

Man, I thought the old miracles thread was the worst place on the internet, we have a strong contender here. Looks like the cat's out of the bag, and Bob Huang and the remnants of the old Miracles cabal really broke Legacy wide open once again. When you take the best Legacy players in the world after their deck imploded, what can you expect but another breaking of the format?

[paradaxarada]

Sorcerous Spyglass is a new Stompy Card, and have a pirate reference...

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Fine, if we're not going to close this thread because people are attempting to steal someone's discovery, maybe we can close this thread because everyone is so far off with their brews and is instead just proposing obviously terrible decks. I don't think anyone who isn't a high-level player is capable of figuring this out on their own anyway.

There's more than just using sol-lands to duct-tape Rystic-Edicts onto all of your meh creatures and meh cantrips? Other than the chalice and force, I mean.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Sorcerous Spyglass is a new Stompy Card, and have a pirate reference...

I don't usually buy cards before release beause hype prices, but I did secure my foils of these about a month ago. I think in a format of Sol Lands, playing this instead of Pithing needle is an excellent choice. Just don't get blown out by a tapped cloudpost.

[Dice_Box]

So the one night I have to be up really dam early, thus go to bed early is the night you all decide to pull this shit? I will say that your timing is impeccable.

First, iatee, please calm down. I do not feel a repeat of this (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?30527-Podcast-The-Brainstorm-Show-episode-17-Lots-of-stuff-and-ShardStill) thread is in order where you almost single hand shut down all conversion. If you have something to say you can say it, but know when to walk away.

Everyone else. We have a report button, use it. There have been personal attacks, intentional off topic posts and other shit stirring in here. If you have partaken in personal attacks I will be handing you a warning. I do not give a fuck if someone irritates you, that is not an invitation to start handing out personal insults.

Dice.

Edit:
I need a beer.

[f7eleven]

This will make the deck unfocused so it is a bad idea but Skyship Plunderer looks cute with chalice of the void and jitte.

Also Saprazzan Skerry and Parallax Tide and any planeswalker

[bruizar]

I cracked the code. The combo is curfew hence the high number pf snapcasters and the low number of spells


/thread

Henceforth let it be known that Bruizar invented the curfew combo


Curfew clears the board sp that lands are hit and the creatires cannot be recast while also giving extra uses out of yourown creatures and doubling as snt / reanimatoe hate

On the basis of my brewing competence i now wish to apply to become a member of the secret brewing cabal

Ps: aideboard some gilded drakes!

[Barook]

I cracked the code. The combo is curfew hence the high number pf snapcasters and the low number of spells


/thread

Henceforth let it be known that Bruizar invented the curfew combo


Curfew clears the board sp that lands are hit and the creatires cannot be recast while also giving extra uses out of yourown creatures and doubling as snt / reanimatoe hate

On the basis of my brewing competence i now wish to apply to become a member of the secret brewing cabal

Ps: aideboard some gilded drakes!
Irony aside, Snap is probably a better enabler with Sol lands while also serving as anti-fatty tech and not clashing with with Chalice.


Man, I thought the old miracles thread was the worst place on the internet, we have a strong contender here. Looks like the cat's out of the bag, and Bob Huang and the remnants of the old Miracles cabal really broke Legacy wide open once again. When you take the best Legacy players in the world after their deck imploded, what can you expect but another breaking of the format?
After making the format staler than a fart for three years, they do owe us some excitement.

[danyul]

After making the format staler than a fart for three years, they do owe us some excitement.

LOLOL fistbumps all day.

[bruizar]

Also Saprazzan Skerry and Parallax Tide and any planeswalker

It would be so cool if we would all show up at the tournament with our own versions of pirate stompy :D

Plundering deck ideas is such a pirate thing to do! Gimme that treasure!


So the one night I have to be up really dam early, thus go to bed early is the night you all decide to pull this shit? I will say that your timing is impeccable.


Everyone else. We have a report button, use it. There have been personal attacks, intentional off topic posts and other shit stirring in here. If you have partaken in personal attacks I will be handing you a warning. I do not give a fuck if someone irritates you, that is not an invitation to start handing out personal insults.

Dice.

For a moment I thought you were putting this thread on a literal Curfew. Now I'm really convinced I uncovered the secret sauce.

Anyone else want to place some side bets on the secret combo is?
http://i.tcgplayer.com/863_200w.jpg

[Karhumies]

Have none of you ever played pauper? Where's the Ghostly Flicker + Mnemonic Wall + Cloud of Faeries/Peregrine Drake combo for million storm / million mana?

https://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/formats/pauper

[Barook]

Somebody streams a Pirate Stompy variant right now. (https://go.twitch.tv/paragoncitygames)

Interested to see how that entire shebang works.

[Dice_Box]

None of the listed decks I have seen would have a fun day against Lands. I think you either eat the match or you plan for it. What would you do to plan?

[Barook]

None of the listed decks I have seen would have a fun day against Lands. I think you either eat the match or you plan for it. What would you do to plan?
Wouldn't Winter Orb help with that? It would also synergize with the mana denial strategy.

[morgan_coke]

None of the listed decks I have seen would have a fun day against Lands. I think you either eat the match or you plan for it. What would you do to plan?

How about Tsabo's Web?

[f7eleven]

None of the listed decks I have seen would have a fun day against Lands. I think you either eat the match or you plan for it. What would you do to plan?

Land Equilibrium and Sea Draking your own lands!

[Redkid43]

The stream guys are using Fade Away and Clone effects to capitalize the Rishidan pirates with Siren’s Ruse.

If you set up a Chalice on one plus Footpad, Siren’s Ruse, and other’s you can start pox-ing them right out.

It needs something else as a back up to Chalice.

[Barook]

The stream guys are using Fade Away and Clone effects to capitalize the Rishidan pirates with Siren’s Ruse.

If you set up a Chalice on one plus Footpad, Siren’s Ruse, and other’s you can start pox-ing them right out.

It needs something else as a back up to Chalice.
The mana denial plan seems pretty weak so far. Fade Away seems interesting, though.

[Redkid43]

I mean if you want to go for small incremental mana denial, then you should just play Pox or a better Chalice deck...right?

When it works, it’s crazy and doing tempo stuff like blink my Footpad in response to a fetch is really cool.

[bruizar]

I'd def go UB over UR for Hostage Taker and play Curfew. Hostage Taker is insane. That said, this deck ain't the real pirate ninja deck.

[Skyl3lazer]

I can only hope that the next deck to break the format will just play a bunch of trash rares like Parallax Tide and That Five Mana Pirate from 1999, it would be a fitting replacement to getting the format broken by a trash rare from Coldsnap.

[Barook]

I can only hope that the next deck to break the format will just play a bunch of trash rares like Parallax Tide and That Five Mana Pirate from 1999, it would be a fitting replacement to getting the format broken by a trash rare from Coldsnap.
It only took 18 years to make Masques not suck. That's amazing in its own way.

Coldsnap already broke the format with Counterbalance, though.

[claulis]

Coldsnap already broke the format with Counterbalance, though.

Counterbalance was uncommon not a rare.

[Barook]

THE LIST is coming. Hype! (https://twitter.com/itsJulian23/status/913835736423649280)


Counterbalance was uncommon not a rare.
Fair enough.

[Skyl3lazer]

Counterbalance was uncommon not a rare.

Yeah it was but I'll just pretend I was talking about Dark Depths

[Minniehajj]

Irony aside, Snap is probably a better enabler with Sol lands while also serving as anti-fatty tech and not clashing with with Chalice.


After making the format staler than a fart for three years, they do owe us some excitement.

"They"
I'm one of them ;-;

[Redkid43]

Bob Huang also confirmed UB with a splash of red for sideboard cards.

I think this confirms Hostage Taker possibly?

[Barook]

I think this confirms Hostage Taker possibly?
It makes sense as it can be removal and has potential to be a combo piece even after its errata.

[Redkid43]

Hostage my Footpad, blink the Hostage Taker...Footpad Triggers?

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

Hostage my Footpad, blink the Hostage Taker...Footpad Triggers?
Could just skip a step and blink Footpad?

[Doishy]

Could just skip a step and blink Footpad?

But then you wouldn't get Hostage to reenter, take Cutpurse to then be able to cast Cutpurse again under the taker :)

[Rishadan Brigand]

I see Snapcaster in a lot of these lists but I've yet to be impressed with him and the very small amount of hittable targets in the deck. How do you guys feel about Wasteland? I go back and forth between not using any and using a maximum of 3.

[Barook]

Thinking about Hostage Taker again, it seems pretty good with Siren's Ruse, e.g.:

- T3 Hostage Taker, steal your opponent's two-drop (bonus points for being uncounterable from Cavern)
- T4 cast two-drop, Siren's Ruse, steal another card, draw a card
- T5 cast stolen card

At that point, you're already up +4 CA while having multiple threats and a crippled opponent - with two cards that are good on their own.

I'm really looking forward to conversations like this:

"Hey dude, what did you do on the weekend?"
"A Hostage Taker forced me to plow my own Mom."

Magic as Richard Garfield intended.

[iatee]

You guys, now that the deck is going to be released, I want to take this opportunity to apologize for the way I acted in this thread earlier. Things got heated and I was a little bit too emotional. Ultimately I was just trying to protect something that my friends worked very hard on. Here's the thing - not very often does a deck totally come from out of nowhere like this - this was a masterpiece of brewing and we thought we did everything in our power to keep it a secret. But I think that's just impossible these days, and we need to accept that and not blame other people.

So I'm not angry anymore - I'm actually just excited. A lot of blood and sweat went into building this deck and I think people are gonna be thrilled when they see the final product. As soon as the list is published, I think the new legacy meta is going to be nuts and I look forward to being able to finally be able to play Popeye in public. I don't think it will last too long honestly, because there will be at least 1-2 bannings, possibly emergency bannings, but it will be a ton of fun while it lasts.

Anyway, I hope everyone here accepts my apology, I know I snapped at a lot of people.

[Mr.C]

You guys, now that the deck is going to be released, I want to take this opportunity to apologize for the way I acted in this thread earlier. Things got heated and I was a little bit too emotional. Ultimately I was just trying to protect something that my friends worked very hard on. Here's the thing - not very often does a deck totally come from out of nowhere like this - this was a masterpiece of brewing and we thought we did everything in our power to keep it a secret. But I think that's just impossible these days, and we need to accept that and not blame other people.

So I'm not angry anymore - I'm actually just excited. A lot of blood and sweat went into building this deck and I think people are gonna be thrilled when they see the final product. As soon as the list is published, I think the new legacy meta is going to be nuts and I look forward to being able to finally be able to play Popeye in public. I don't think it will last too long honestly, because there will be at least 1-2 bannings, possibly emergency bannings, but it will be a ton of fun while it lasts.

Anyway, I hope everyone here accepts my apology, I know I snapped at a lot of people.

Pro tip: If you want to keep it secret, don't test on MTGO.

Good luck, hope you get a card from Masques banned or something.

[Dice_Box]

I am not convinced that this is not all a troll, but on the bright side I had my attention brought to a possible Blue Stax shell. I am going to mess around with these guys, troll or no. Because the one thing Stax desperately needs is a card drawing effect. Blue is a good option.

[mistercakes]

I played a black blue stax for quite a while and it was very good.

[ParkerLewis]

I am not convinced that this is not all a troll


there will be at least 1-2 bannings, possibly emergency bannings

[lordofthepit]

I see Snapcaster in a lot of these lists but I've yet to be impressed with him and the very small amount of hittable targets in the deck. How do you guys feel about Wasteland? I go back and forth between not using any and using a maximum of 3.

Any opinions on the health consequences of drinking soda or dirt on the sugar lobby/

[Rishadan Brigand]

Any opinions on the health consequences of drinking soda or dirt on the sugar lobby/

Not really, no.

[iatee]

I think some people think this is a joke mostly because the proposed decklists people have been using are sooo far off from the real thing. The fact that 'Stompy' is in the name has probably been leading people down the wrong path, as this is more of a combo deck than a stompy deck. Some of the cards people have been testing are in fact in the deck, but I have seen the key 2 cards mentioned a total of 0 times.

[Rascalyote]

I think some people think this is a joke mostly because the proposed decklists people have been using are sooo far off from the real thing. The fact that 'Stompy' is in the name has probably been leading people down the wrong path, as this is more of a combo deck than a stompy deck. Some of the cards people have been testing are in fact in the deck, but I have seen the key 2 cards mentioned a total of 0 times.

I figured out the 2 cards! They're Patches and Prince Keleseth, /Thread.

[Barook]

I think some people think this is a joke mostly because the proposed decklists people have been using are sooo far off from the real thing. The fact that 'Stompy' is in the name has probably been leading people down the wrong path, as this is more of a combo deck than a stompy deck. Some of the cards people have been testing are in fact in the deck, but I have seen the key 2 cards mentioned a total of 0 times.
Is it a infinite combo? Or does it just kill with a very large number?

[sco0ter]

Is it a infinite combo? Or does it just kill with a very large number?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/775768#paper

The combo might be Parallax Tide & Hoodwink.

Tide works well with the Pirate theme (sac permanent) and also with Skyship Plunderer

[Uroborian]

I know this isnt the deck; from the recent comments you have made but damn I am liking this version so much.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/776463#paper

I worked upon a maindeck UB plan while switching out the black for punishing red spells in the SB. (as was hinted in a previous post) Im kinda glad this isn't you deck but just as excited that your rumors led to the creation of a deck like this one.


(also "The combo might be Parallax Tide & Hoodwink." was disproven by his statement that he hasnt seen the 2 cards yet. one of the version posted to twitter had this and was shot down and not in /the/ deck"

[Echelon]

You guys, now that the deck is going to be released, I want to take this opportunity to apologize for the way I acted in this thread earlier. Things got heated and I was a little bit too emotional. Ultimately I was just trying to protect something that my friends worked very hard on. Here's the thing - not very often does a deck totally come from out of nowhere like this - this was a masterpiece of brewing and we thought we did everything in our power to keep it a secret. But I think that's just impossible these days, and we need to accept that and not blame other people.

So I'm not angry anymore - I'm actually just excited. A lot of blood and sweat went into building this deck and I think people are gonna be thrilled when they see the final product. As soon as the list is published, I think the new legacy meta is going to be nuts and I look forward to being able to finally be able to play Popeye in public. I don't think it will last too long honestly, because there will be at least 1-2 bannings, possibly emergency bannings, but it will be a ton of fun while it lasts.

Anyway, I hope everyone here accepts my apology, I know I snapped at a lot of people.

Respect, buddy :smile:. It takes a great person to do that.

[Barook]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/775768#paper

The combo might be Parallax Tide & Hoodwink.

Tide works well with the Pirate theme (sac permanent) and also with Skyship Plunderer
The MD is also confirmed UB, so Mono-Blue doesn't cut it.

[iatee]

Is it a infinite combo? Or does it just kill with a very large number?

I don't think it's fair for me to give anyone else any more information about how the deck wins - that just allows the people who see the posts to speculate unfairly. I probably shouldn't have even said there was a combo, so far everyone has been pretty distracted by building variants of the same stompy deck.

[Lightless]

I just realy want to take the deck, whatever it might be, when it comes out to one of our weekly legacy tournaments.
But I guess I will have to wait till the list is public aaaaand then until the cards that I highly likely dont have arrive by mail. ;)

[Echelon]

I'm so hoping this thing is an elaborate hoax.

Seriously, just for the hell of it. It would be so funny.

[JackaBo]

I'm so hoping this thing is an elaborate hoax.

Seriously, just for the hell of it. It would be so funny.

Me too! Kind of feels like it is, too. But who knows.. with so many cards in the pool there are bound to be some undiscovered great decks out there.

[Karhumies]

Some of the cards people have been testing are in fact in the deck, but I have seen the key 2 cards mentioned a total of 0 times.

Unearth and/or Recurring Nightmare? ... What else "combo-ish" does black bring into the table? Those two cards are essentially card advantage engines in EtB effect heavy shell.

[pettdan]

Unearth and/or Recurring Nightmare? ... What else "combo-ish" does black bring into the table? Those two cards are essentially card advantage engines in EtB effect heavy shell.

It's not going to be that, but I can't help filling in the 3 card combos of a) Grand Architect, Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek, and b) Necrotic Ooze, Phyrexian Devourer and Walking Ballista/Triskelion. I've been trying to fit these 6 cards into a deck the last couple of weeks, not very successfully I can add. Edit: well it's more combo than Unearth and Recurring Nightmare, that's why I thought I'd add it.

[bruizar]

You guys, now that the deck is going to be released, I want to take this opportunity to apologize for the way I acted in this thread earlier. Things got heated and I was a little bit too emotional. Ultimately I was just trying to protect something that my friends worked very hard on. Here's the thing - not very often does a deck totally come from out of nowhere like this - this was a masterpiece of brewing and we thought we did everything in our power to keep it a secret. But I think that's just impossible these days, and we need to accept that and not blame other people.

So I'm not angry anymore - I'm actually just excited. A lot of blood and sweat went into building this deck and I think people are gonna be thrilled when they see the final product. As soon as the list is published, I think the new legacy meta is going to be nuts and I look forward to being able to finally be able to play Popeye in public. I don't think it will last too long honestly, because there will be at least 1-2 bannings, possibly emergency bannings, but it will be a ton of fun while it lasts.

Anyway, I hope everyone here accepts my apology, I know I snapped at a lot of people.

+1 for sportsmanship!

[Barook]

Unearth and/or Recurring Nightmare? ... What else "combo-ish" does black bring into the table? Those two cards are essentially card advantage engines in EtB effect heavy shell.
If Hostage Taker isn't the main combo piece, then the only other Pirate-related combo I can think about is Ruthless Knave + Marionette Master to dish out massive damage. Not sure how it would be set up to be broken in Legacy, though.

Edit: Maybe Panharmonicon is involved? Getting double triggers from Hostage Taker and the Rishadan pirates sounds pretty good.

[contra]

This thread is the hype. NINJA PIRATES!!!

[Zllig]

I am 100% happy with how the article on Channelfireball turned out.

Thank you guys for doing this. This was some of the most fun and enjoyable legacy bullshit to come out in the last few years. Props for "nic fit is our worst match up". Best shit ever.

[Kaono]

This thread should be locked and preserved in a time capsule. Too bad all the off-topic arguments were deleted as that was arguably one of the most entertaining parts.

That said, though, I look forward to this being the de-facto troll deck for any upcoming event and seeing what kind of new spice/tech can be thrown into the mix in the future.

[Umezete]

The sad part is the article hit the nail on the head for why it went viral, legacy is in a dull spot right now. The deathrite value amalgamation's grim pallor sits on top of the format.

The idea of a new archetype made me excited enough to brew again, though I'm really sad that adding shamans was one of the valid options imo.

I would not be surprised if some tier 2 stompy deck like soldier stompy got created from this. Would this be the first meme made deck in magic history?

[Ronald Deuce]

I'm still holding out hope that someone will rebuild red stompy with dinos and call it Jurassic Park.

[bruizar]

This thread should be locked and preserved in a time capsule. Too bad all the off-topic arguments were deleted as that was arguably one of the most entertaining parts.

That said, though, I look forward to this being the de-facto troll deck for any upcoming event and seeing what kind of new spice/tech can be thrown into the mix in the future.

i had more fun reading about popeye than I did playing the last tournament! This art is so fitting, I dedicate it to the speculators:

https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/img/d0fdcf70f5d701ce33c1df2ff9e2687c/cards/Mercadian_Masques/rishadan_footpad.jpg

The ultimate troll would be if there really IS a pirate stompy combo deck and this channelfireball article is just a diversion tactic.

[Echelon]

I'm so hoping this thing is an elaborate hoax.

Seriously, just for the hell of it. It would be so funny.

Called it!

[Whitefaces]

It's been a fun week alright. Hilariously I really want to play with some of the decks people came up with!

[Dice_Box]

I am not convinced that this is not all a troll
On the bright side, I won't have to nuke another two pages of text again for a while. iatee, if you were in on the joke you went way over the fucking line, if you weren't you went way over that very same line and I don't understand why.

Anyway, I am glad this shits over.

[H]

I'll just leave these (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?3682-Former-DTB-Thunder-Bluff-Legacy-s-Premier-Combo) here (www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?3696-Thunder-Bluff-ruminations) for posterity.

[Aggro_zombies]

The sad part is the article hit the nail on the head for why it went viral, legacy is in a dull spot right now. The deathrite value amalgamation's grim pallor sits on top of the format.

The idea of a new archetype made me excited enough to brew again, though I'm really sad that adding shamans was one of the valid options imo.

I would not be surprised if some tier 2 stompy deck like soldier stompy got created from this. Would this be the first meme made deck in magic history?
It's not really Deathrite, though the card is great. As luck would have it, when you take a format with perfect mana and the ability to play absurdly powerful one mana variance reducers like Brainstorm, Turbo Xerox-style decks that play as many good cards as they can fit crowd out basically everything that isn't explicitly an anti-Turbo-Xerox deck. If you wanted to Make Legacy Great Again, you'd have to nuke Brainstorm.

Anyway, this joke was amusing enough, even if it inflamed people's passions in a bizarre and unfortunate way. I'll leave the thread open because it seems like the deck might have some (sea) legs based on the performance of people trying to reverse engineer the list.

[UnderwaterGuy]

These were a hilarious few days and damn it feels good to see speculators get screwed. Cheers to the hoaxers!

It goes to show that playing Chalice on 1 is also good enough to win some games completely regardless of your other cards.

[Barook]

That's a pretty lame outcome.

https://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/4245941+_467120f388c3c54edd7ec0501d91f06f.jpg

That said, I'm not entirely convinced it was all for naught. Nobody even considered the pirates before and people even played it to some degree success.

One thing that struck me as particular interesting in the wake of discussion is Skyship Plunderer - this one might be the real deal.

What makes Plunderer so good? The article might be a joke, but it completely misses out the interaction between Parallax Tide and Plunderer - since Plunderer can sustain Tide indefinitely (while being an evasive beater), at least the first 4 lands your opponent plays are permanently FUCKED (note how this plays exactly into the mana denial strategy the Rishadan Pirates are aiming for?). And if Chrome Mox + Sol Land are involved, this is possible as early as turn 2. The interactions with Skerry and Jitte were already mentioned, but another thing I really miss is the complete lack of Walking Ballista - which is one of the best cards in Stompy right now. It's a threat, removal and can be even fetched with Trinket Mage. Now we have multiple ways to supercharge it for cheap. And looking at Vintage Workshop decks, we already that fast-growing Walking Ballistas are a scary, scary thing.

But why build a deck around only 4 cards? Fair criticism, except Thrummingbird exists, which can act as Plunderer 5-8 - on steroids. This makes the entire plan more consistent and feasible.

I don't think the last word is spoken yet.

[Marungo]

This was the hilarious payoff I was hoping for. I knew from the getgo it was a troll, but the amount of hype and spectacle that grew around the deck made it hilarious. I even knew someone in contact with Bob and he talked about how crazy it was the price of all these cards were spiking. It was fun the watch that’s for sure

[Rishadan Brigand]

That's a pretty lame outcome.

https://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/4245941+_467120f388c3c54edd7ec0501d91f06f.jpg

That said, I'm not entirely convinced it was all for naught. Nobody even considered the pirates before and people even played it to some degree success.

One thing that struck me as particular interesting in the wake of discussion is Skyship Plunderer - this one might be the real deal.

What makes Plunderer so good? The article might be a joke, but it completely misses out the interaction between Parallax Tide and Plunderer - since Plunderer can sustain Tide indefinitely (while being an evasive beater), at least the first 4 lands your opponent plays are permanently FUCKED (note how this plays exactly into the mana denial strategy the Rishadan Pirates are aiming for?). And if Chrome Mox + Sol Land are involved, this is possible as early as turn 2. The interactions with Skerry and Jitte were already mentioned, but another thing I really miss is the complete lack of Walking Ballista - which is one of the best cards in Stompy right now. It's a threat, removal and can be even fetched with Trinket Mage. Now we have multiple ways to supercharge it for cheap. And looking at Vintage Workshop decks, we already that fast-growing Walking Ballistas are a scary, scary thing.

But why build a deck around only 4 cards? Fair criticism, except Thrummingbird exists, which can act as Plunderer 5-8 - on steroids. This makes the entire plan more consistent and feasible.

I don't think the last word is spoken yet.


Oh yeah, I'll never stop playing this deck. It's a steaming pile of garbage but at this point I've played and tested so many terrible cards and invested so much time in finding "THE LIST" that I kind of have to keep searching. Eventually, whether it's through practice or through tuning, I'll start winning with this deck and it'll be absolutely great.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

So the deck isn't real and my Torpor Orb deck isn't about to find a great deck to pick on?

[iatee]

On the bright side, I won't have to nuke another two pages of text again for a while. iatee, if you were in on the joke you went way over the fucking line, if you weren't you went way over that very same line and I don't understand why.

I was a mere pawn in Bob Huang's game. I trusted him. I mean, this was the man who managed to find a way to make the card Treasure Cruise good in legacy - if he could do that, surely he could break pirates too.

He took advantage of my innocence. And now I'm left sitting alone in a room filled with hundreds of copies of Rishadan Cutpurse and a foiled out Nic Fit deck.

[Barook]

Oh yeah, I'll never stop playing this deck. It's a steaming pile of garbage but at this point I've played and tested so many terrible cards and invested so much time in finding "THE LIST" that I kind of have to keep searching. Eventually, whether it's through practice or through tuning, I'll start winning with this deck and it'll be absolutely great.
I'll need to throw together a list later on, but the Parallax Tide spam really intrigues me. I wouldn't be suprised if it actually turned out to be broken as fuck and is exactly the thing we were hoping for. That it enables the Rishadan Pirates is just the icing on the cake.

[Skyl3lazer]

What if the real The List was the friends we made along the way?

[Dice_Box]

I was a mere pawn in Bob Huang's game. I trusted him. I mean, this was the man who managed to find a way to make the card Treasure Cruise good in legacy - if he could do that, surely he could break pirates too.

He took advantage of my innocence. And now I'm left sitting alone in a room filled with hundreds of copies of Rishadan Cutpurse and a foiled out Nic Fit deck.
You know he did not build that delver deck right? He said on stream someone was playing it on Cockatrice and he got smashed by it, so he let the guy add him of Facebook and then played the list given to him with a few touch ups.

[CptHaddock]

That's a pretty lame outcome.

That said, I'm not entirely convinced it was all for naught. Nobody even considered the pirates before and people even played it to some degree success.

One thing that struck me as particular interesting in the wake of discussion is Skyship Plunderer - this one might be the real deal.

What makes Plunderer so good? The article might be a joke, but it completely misses out the interaction between Parallax Tide and Plunderer - since Plunderer can sustain Tide indefinitely (while being an evasive beater), at least the first 4 lands your opponent plays are permanently FUCKED (note how this plays exactly into the mana denial strategy the Rishadan Pirates are aiming for?). And if Chrome Mox + Sol Land are involved, this is possible as early as turn 2. The interactions with Skerry and Jitte were already mentioned, but another thing I really miss is the complete lack of Walking Ballista - which is one of the best cards in Stompy right now. It's a threat, removal and can be even fetched with Trinket Mage. Now we have multiple ways to supercharge it for cheap. And looking at Vintage Workshop decks, we already that fast-growing Walking Ballistas are a scary, scary thing.

But why build a deck around only 4 cards? Fair criticism, except Thrummingbird exists, which can act as Plunderer 5-8 - on steroids. This makes the entire plan more consistent and feasible.

I don't think the last word is spoken yet.

It's almost like it doesn't matter what you are playing in a shell built around Chalice.

[H]

So the deck isn't real and my Torpor Orb deck isn't about to find a great deck to pick on?

Oh it's real.

I think you were asking if it was good. Of course it's not.


What if the real The List was the friends we made along the way?

No, the One True List is the list in your heart.


You know he did not build that delver deck right? He said on stream someone was playing it on Cockatrice and he got smashed by it, so he let the guy add him of Facebook and then played the list given to him with a few touch ups.

Dude, stop with the truth, it's not at all convenient.


Chances are, Sea Stompy was (and is) probably more playable than most were ever giving it credit for. Chances are good nearly anything in a Stompy shell will win some number of games off the "broken" fact that your lands tap for :2:. Soldiers, Dragons, Goblins, Eldrazi, shit, why not Pirates?

[Raizen884]

Now that the hype is gone, I think its a good time to actually brew and not think of an absurd deck that will shift the legacy metagame, but instead something that can be playable. Of course the "real" list is just trolling, but the interactions are real, Siren's Ruse is a hell of a card.

Anyway, of course running Challice, Trinisphere, Chrome Mox and Sol Lands is a shell that kind of whatever else you put in it, it will have a lot of free wins against tier 1 decks. So saying this isn't playable is already very very wrong, it might not be opressive of course, but it is playable just by having these power cards on the deck. I would though, try to go a different direction, because going away from the obvious shell might get you somewhere better.

I'm trying to brew something new, might be with pirates or not xD, but I think people shouldn't just let go the idea if they think it can work.

[Barook]

It's almost like it doesn't matter what you are playing in a shell built around Brainstorm.
That statement works in various ways.:rolleyes:


Chances are, Sea Stompy was (and is) probably more playable than most were ever giving it credit for. Chances are good nearly anything in a Stompy shell will win some number of games off the "broken" fact that your lands tap for :2:. Soldiers, Dragons, Goblins, Eldrazi, shit, why not Pirates?
Given that people can ride a shitty pirate list to victory says alot about the format and how vulnerable it is once you can't play your hyperefficient spells anymore.

[Claymore]

So a few reps of a major card vendor and media source were able to make a troll attempt and manipulate the secondary market with just a few threads and unsubstantiated claims. That's cool.

Anyone have a good lead on fakes? Heard they're getting good with holo stamps now.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

So a few reps of a major card vendor and media source were able to make a troll attempt and manipulate the secondary market with just a few threads and unsubstantiated claims. That's cool.

Anyone have a good lead on fakes? Heard they're getting good with holo stamps now.

Would you like to get on the ground floor for Lost in the Woods futures? I already own plenty and the price can only go up! uP! UP!

[iatee]

I actually contacted dozens of Chinese fake card vendors, none of them had any batches of Rishadan Cutpurse for some reason.

[Claymore]

Depends, when is the marketing scheme gonna go live? Do you have Julian, Bob? Maybe SaffronOlive to push the budget feel? Or we can go heavy with a champ like LSV or Reid Duke to really push the news. What vendor, ChannelFireball again? Switch it up with SCG?

Just gotta make sure no replays or speculative lists get out until we can sell a bunch of garbage.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

What if the real The List was the friends we made along the way?

The List. Do you know what The List is? It's the thousand playble decks of Legacy, a deck we agree to play over and over until we forget it's terrible.
But what do we have left, once we abandon the deck? Brewing? Random jank we can treat as virtual byes?
Brewing isn't a bye, it's a matchup. many try to find the next thing and scrub out, never to compete again. The netdeck breaks them. And some, are given the chance to pair up. They refuse, the cling to The List, or Doomsday, or Charbelcher. Illusions. Only a brew is real, the matchups are all there is.

[Barook]

Thrummingbird
Skyship Plunderer
Parallax Tide
Tangle Wire

The more I look into the idea, the more I like it. I'd really like to flesh this idea out, but I'm not to sure if this is still the right thread for it. With Tangle Wire thrown into the mix, the mana denial plan should suddenly gets alot more consistent, plus having the option of board control for those things that slipped through. "Tap two of my other things while you have to tap four" sounds like a devilish plan.

[Rishadan Brigand]

I'll need to throw together a list later on, but the Parallax Tide spam really intrigues me. I wouldn't be suprised if it actually turned out to be broken as fuck and is exactly the thing we were hoping for. That it enables the Rishadan Pirates is just the icing on the cake.

I actually don't use the parallax tide/hoodwink combo. Here's the list I am currently on:

4 Brigand
4 Footpad
4 Cutpurse
4 Force of Will
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chart a Course
4 Siren's Ruse
3 Chrome Mox
2 Smuggler's Copter
2 Phantasmal Image
2 Hostage Taker
2 Trophy Mage
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Sword of F & I

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Polluted Delta
4 Wasteland
2 Saprazzan Skerry
2 Underground Sea
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Island


So far this has been the most successful for me. Hostage taker is nuts, and a great way to deal with resolved threats like Young Peezy. Also it feels hella good to take a Leovold and then cast it against an opponent with handful of cantrips. Trophy Mage acts as my blue Stoneforge Mystic and allows me to run 1 ofs in the sideboard while still being able to reliably hit them.

[Barook]

I actually don't use the parallax tide/hoodwink combo.
Hoodwink is old and busted, Skyship Plunderer/Thrummingbird + Parallax Tide/Tangle Wire are the new hotness.

[jandax]

This has been the best thread in ages, gents. Keep it up!

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[Umezete]

I get the whole, "hey let's parallax tide," thing but why no one mentioning opposition and cavern harpy?

Opposition is rather obnoxious and doesn't rely on having 8 proliferate dorks (I'm fine with a welkin tern pirate but 2 mana for a 1/1 is just a bad deal as it won't trade with delver), and cavern harpy threatens a soft or even hard lock at any moment.

[Rishadan Brigand]

I get the whole, "hey let's parallax tide," thing but why no one mentioning opposition and cavern harpy?

Opposition is rather obnoxious and doesn't rely on having 8 proliferate dorks (I'm fine with a welkin tern pirate but 2 mana for a 1/1 is just a bad deal as it won't trade with delver), and cavern harpy threatens a soft or even hard lock at any moment.

Does it though? It's not truly a hard lock as you can only repeat it as many times as you have UB available and you have to pay 1 life each time which makes our Ancient Tombs worse.

[P210]

Thrummingbird
Skyship Plunderer
Parallax Tide
Tangle Wire

The more I look into the idea, the more I like it. I'd really like to flesh this idea out, but I'm not to sure if this is still the right thread for it. With Tangle Wire thrown into the mix, the mana denial plan should suddenly gets alot more consistent, plus having the option of board control for those things that slipped through. "Tap two of my other things while you have to tap four" sounds like a devilish plan.

Sold! I think I'll try some kind of blue proliferate stax... :cool:

[Mackan]

This stompy deck was not as good As Foretold.

[Umezete]

Does it though? It's not truly a hard lock as you can only repeat it as many times as you have UB available and you have to pay 1 life each time which makes our Ancient Tombs worse.

That's fair, I'm more onto going mono-blue at this point anyway.

I still think opposition might have merit though. Unless parallax tide can work with just 1 proliferate enabler as I really don't think thrummingbird cuts it. Not being able to at least trade with delver is a big drawback.

[Barook]

That's fair, I'm more onto going mono-blue at this point anyway.

I still think opposition might have merit though. Unless parallax tide can work with just 1 proliferate enabler as I really don't think thrummingbird cuts it. Not being able to at least trade with delver is a big drawback.
After goldfishing a bit, the deck actually has another problem: The creature density isn't high enough between all those lockpieces.


I actually don't use the parallax tide/hoodwink combo. Here's the list I am currently on:

4 Brigand
4 Footpad
4 Cutpurse
4 Force of Will
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chart a Course
4 Siren's Ruse
3 Chrome Mox
2 Smuggler's Copter
2 Phantasmal Image
2 Hostage Taker
2 Trophy Mage
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Sword of F & I

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Polluted Delta
4 Wasteland
2 Saprazzan Skerry
2 Underground Sea
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Island


So far this has been the most successful for me. Hostage taker is nuts, and a great way to deal with resolved threats like Young Peezy. Also it feels hella good to take a Leovold and then cast it against an opponent with handful of cantrips. Trophy Mage acts as my blue Stoneforge Mystic and allows me to run 1 ofs in the sideboard while still being able to reliably hit them.
19 lands only? Even with 3 Chrome Moxen, that land count is way too low for a Stompy deck.

From what I've seen on the Pirate Stompy stream linked earlier, I do like the CoW package that is fetchable with Trophy Mage. Wastelocking people can win quite a few games.

I'd still like to see some Ballistas in there. They seem too good to pass in a Stompy shell. I also do wonder about the Chart the Course copies. They all seemed to be win-more during the stream.

Have you considered Jace, the Mindsculptor? Aside from being good all-around, he can also bounce your pirates when necessary - which seems pretty nifty.

[Dice_Box]

After goldfishing a bit, the deck actually has another problem: The creature density isn't high enough between all those lock pieces.


Walking Ballista and Hangerback Walker.

[bruizar]

After goldfishing a bit, the deck actually has another problem: The creature density isn't high enough between all those lockpieces.


19 lands only? Even with 3 Chrome Moxen, that land count is way too low for a Stompy deck.

From what I've seen on the Pirate Stompy stream linked earlier, I do like the CoW package that is fetchable with Trophy Mage. Wastelocking people can win quite a few games.

I'd still like to see some Ballistas in there. They seem too good to pass in a Stompy shell. I also do wonder about the Chart the Course copies. They all seemed to be win-more during the stream.

Have you considered Jace, the Mindsculptor? Aside from being good all-around, he can also bounce your pirates when necessary - which seems pretty nifty.

Why would you ever run ballista if there's a pirate pyroclasm in ixalan?

[AmokPL]

What if the real The List was the friends we made along the way?

thats deep

[MD.Ghost]

First: Fun idea to joke about "the list" and let the internet community #hype it for nothing. But lets be real, most "pro" players never really tried a stompy shell or a non-blue-cantrip deck (besides our well known elves player). So i am glad the joke is over and still some players try to develope a real "sea stompy" list because blue stompy shells are one of the weakest lists around you can play with chalice, sollands etc.

I played various stompy decks since plug attacked the treasure cruise meta. One of the key elements besides lockpieces are creature density and removal cause you can't grab the right cards without cantrip-shells. Walking Ballista is a solid addition to every stompy deck since it is super flexible in every gamestate, even without enemy creatures, bonus points for working under moon effects too. Barook is right about that card - include it - even if its not a pirate!

My first sketch yesterday (i couldnt resist to think about the pirate idea too^^):

// 60 Maindeck "Tentacle Pirates"

// 14 Artifact
3 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Smuggler's Copter
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Crucible of Worlds

// 21 Creature
3 Wretched Gryff
4 Rishadan Cutpurse
4 Rishadan Footpad
2 Trinket Mage
3 Walking Ballista
3 Hostage Taker
2 Bearer of Silence

// 25 Land
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
3 City of Traitors
2 Underground Sea
2 Polluted Delta
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Island
4 Wasteland
1 Seat of the Synod

// 15 Sideboard
SB: 2 Thorn of Amethyst
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2 Thought-Knot Seer
SB: 1 Venser, Shaper Savant
SB: 2 Faerie Macabre
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 2 Dismember
SB: 2 Toxic Deluge

As you can see i included some Eldrazi that work well with UB Mana: Bearer is a cc4 uncounterable removal (bonus points for hit TNN&Co) and with Gryff you can profit from the pirates (that sadly all have super weak bodies) to cast the 3/4 flyer for 2-3 mana in a lot of cases. Copter and Jitte are also cheap ways that even a pirate can do some damage. Hostage Taker is one of the best cards in a lot of cases since it can also grap enemy equipment. Overall the pirate-tax idea will work against decks that need to tap out often enough. And with a possible T1 Rishadan Cutpurse you can even have some nice "on the draw" situations to set back your opponents opener.

Overall i have not really tested this deck (and still think that white eldrazi lists perform better) but i also like Barooks idea of Skyship Plunderer, Parallax Tide, Tangle Wire cause all the Rishadan-Tax-Pirates more or less needs a tapped/locked opponent (other cards: Winter Orb/Trinisphere/Thorn/Style-Bonus: Choke). Note that Hostage Tacker can reset Tangle Wire too. Sadly running to many artifacts/prison elements will result in more mulligans/bad topdecks and lower creature/removal density (avoid traps like Siren's Ruse etc.). UB seems good for a first brew, but UW will also offer stuff like Displacer, Parallax Wave (Thalia, Grand Arbiter Augustin IV, Brago, King Eternal etc.)

[Undomian]

If people want to experiment with Parallax Tide and Tangle Wire, I'll throw out some of my bad-deck-idea tech from 2011 in that Grim Monolith helps a lot in casting those, and that Monolith and Tangle Wire are really sweet with Esperzoa.

[Rishadan Brigand]

After goldfishing a bit, the deck actually has another problem: The creature density isn't high enough between all those lockpieces.


19 lands only? Even with 3 Chrome Moxen, that land count is way too low for a Stompy deck.

From what I've seen on the Pirate Stompy stream linked earlier, I do like the CoW package that is fetchable with Trophy Mage. Wastelocking people can win quite a few games.

I'd still like to see some Ballistas in there. They seem too good to pass in a Stompy shell. I also do wonder about the Chart the Course copies. They all seemed to be win-more during the stream.

Have you considered Jace, the Mindsculptor? Aside from being good all-around, he can also bounce your pirates when necessary - which seems pretty nifty.


19 lands is very average for a lot of the Stompy lists I saw. A quick look through MTGTop8 and Tc Decks confirmed this for me. The trophy mage has been great for me and Ive been running Jace in the SB quite often. My last league was a 4-1 with this exact 60 and the only reason I lost the last set was thanks to MODO crashing my entire pc (!quality).

[TLK]

19 lands is very average for a lot of the Stompy lists I saw. A quick look through MTGTop8 and Tc Decks confirmed this for me. The trophy mage has been great for me and Ive been running Jace in the SB quite often. My last league was a 4-1 with this exact 60 and the only reason I lost the last set was thanks to MODO crashing my entire pc (!quality).

Can't tell if still trolling or not. Same goes for most of the posts in this thread at this point lol. :cry:

[Rishadan Brigand]

Can't tell if still trolling or not. Same goes for most of the posts in this thread at this point lol. :cry:

Serious business. I honestly really enjoy this deck a lot. Its a pile of garbage but in an endearing way, you know?

[Baum]

Well, 19-20 is the average amount of lands you often see. But those decks are Dragon Stompy and run Spirit Guides (we could run Lotus Petal) and Blood Moon to shut off Wasteland.

[Barook]

19 lands is very average for a lot of the Stompy lists I saw. A quick look through MTGTop8 and Tc Decks confirmed this for me. The trophy mage has been great for me and Ive been running Jace in the SB quite often. My last league was a 4-1 with this exact 60 and the only reason I lost the last set was thanks to MODO crashing my entire pc (!quality).
What does your sideboard look like? I'm currently testing a variation of your deck on Cockatrice.

[Rishadan Brigand]

What does your sideboard look like? I'm currently testing a variation of your deck on Cockatrice.

Off the top of my head:

2 Tsabos web
1 Trinisphere
2 Dismember
1 JTMS
1 In the Eye of Chaos
1 Arcane Laboratory
4 Leyline of the void
3 Ensnaring Bridge

Ensnaring bridge was just kind of a last second, I cant think of anything else at the moment.

[Barook]

Off the top of my head:

2 Tsabos web
1 Trinisphere
2 Dismember
1 JTMS
1 In the Eye of Chaos
1 Arcane Laboratory
4 Leyline of the void
3 Ensnaring Bridge

Ensnaring bridge was just kind of a last second, I cant think of anything else at the moment.
Thanks

My impressions on the deck so far:
- You want more Hostage Takers - creature "removal" and allows reusing old pirates. Great card, despite the mana cost.
- Saprazzan Skerry is very meh. I replaced them with another two Caverns since you absolutely want the uncounterability. Also fixes the mana for Hostage Taker.
- added another basic Island because one simply isn't enough
- took out Chart a Course for Ballista

The deck still lacks a way to limit the opponent's mana properly. If you hit your curve, the deck is awesome, if you fall behind (especially on the play), you're toast since you play a bunch of overcosted vanilla creatures.

[Aggro_zombies]

I'm surprised these decks aren't running Thorn of Amethyst in the main. Most of your mana disruption comes from creatures, so you can scoot around some of the deleterious effects of Thorn, especially if you are running Skerry as an extra Sol land. Alternately, you could run Trinisphere, since one Thorn makes most of your non-creature spells cost three anyway.

EDIT: One other point in Thorn's favor: with a Sol land, it gives you two turn one plays to hose opposing Brainstorms (alongside Chalice).

[Rishadan Brigand]

I'm surprised these decks aren't running Thorn of Amethyst in the main. Most of your mana disruption comes from creatures, so you can scoot around some of the deleterious effects of Thorn, especially if you are running Skerry as an extra Sol land. Alternately, you could run Trinisphere, since one Thorn makes most of your non-creature spells cost three anyway.

EDIT: One other point in Thorn's favor: with a Sol land, it gives you two turn one plays to hose opposing Brainstorms (alongside Chalice).

I think this in conjunction with Barook's points are probably the direction we need to go. Thorn in the main seems great and it also forces opponents to tap out more often causing our pirates to be more likely to blow up a permanent.

[mistercakes]

i've tried to write a post recommending thalia and thorn in addition to these pirates, but then i have to stop myself because it just means it's going to be a worse DNT or maverick deck.

what would be the advantage here?

[bruizar]

i've tried to write a post recommending thalia and thorn in addition to these pirates, but then i have to stop myself because it just means it's going to be a worse DNT or maverick deck.

what would be the advantage here?
getting rid of permanents after resources have been invested in them as opposed to preventing your opponent from spending resources on them on the first place.

You want them to waste their resources and then clean up.

Land Equilibrium could help if you're running sol land and chrome moxen :-)

[Fallen_Empire]

Those rishadan creatures work better when you play city of solitude. Lock them out of their counters, and force them to sack permanents.

[jawa]

The problem with this deck is that the pirates suck when your opponent is running hyper efficient threats and keeps mana up to pay for the tax effects.

[bruizar]

The problem with this deck is that the pirates suck when your opponent is running hyper efficient threats and keeps mana up to pay for the tax effects.

Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale addresses exactly this

[Barook]

Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale addresses exactly this
Maybe if they go wide. And the better question: How do you access the Tabernacle? Expedition Map is a no-go due to Chalice.


i've tried to write a post recommending thalia and thorn in addition to these pirates, but then i have to stop myself because it just means it's going to be a worse DNT or maverick deck.

what would be the advantage here?
The mana consistency would definitely suffer. White would offer both Thalias, Recruiter of the Guard (which would allow to cutdown on the number of shitty, expensive Pirates) and Brago, King Eternal (sadly, not a Human and not fetchable with Recruiter) as stand-out cards. For what it's worth, Thalia, Heretic Cathar would work great with Winter Orb. Downsides are the shitty manabase that would probably require Mox Diamond over Chrome Mox, more dual lands and probably more external mana sources like Azorius signet or the UW Talisman to lower the impact of Winter Orb on yourself. Hitting the blue count for FoW might also be troublesome in that case.

[Karhumies]

Nobody's taking this deck into a LD direction with Wasteland, Crucible of the Worlds, Stifle / Squelch / Interdict / Shadow of Doubt, potentially Back to Basics? Why not? Greedy Legacy manabases have gone unpunished long enough. What better way to wreak that than Ux Troll Stompy?

[Dice_Box]

Maybe if they go wide. And the better question: How do you access the Tabernacle? Expedition Map is a no-go due to Chalice.
My go to answer in Stax has always been to just play three.



Nobody's taking this deck into a LD direction with Wasteland, Crucible of the Worlds, Stifle / Squelch / Interdict / Shadow of Doubt, potentially Back to Basics? Why not? Greedy Legacy manabases have gone unpunished long enough. What better way to wreak that than Ux Troll Stompy?
I don't think you can run BTB in a Stompy shell. The decks are too dependent on Sol lands to abuse mana imbalance.

[Philipp2293]

I don't think you can run BTB in a Stompy shell. The decks are too dependent on Sol lands to abuse mana imbalance.

If you are willing to splash for some jank, I played Hour of Glory in my kitchen table Pirates deck.

[Redkid43]

So I’m tired and haven’t finished my coffee, but here’s the best that I can come up with:

4 Rishidan Cutpurse
4 Rishidan Footpad
4 Rishidan Brigande
4 Restoration Angel
3 Wretched Gryff

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
3 Trinisphere

4 Frozen Aether

4 Siren’s Ruse
2 ???? (cantrip)

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Tundra
4 Nimbus Maze
3 Island
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

We are slightly bigger than the normal Stompy list with most of the pay off cards being 3-4 cost.

Resto is a test. It’s pretty good with the Pirates and doesn’t have the delay of casting it like Hostage Taker. Taker, unless we have good board presence, seems really slow. We get the blink right away with Resto. In a pinch I guess Cavern on Angel is okay, but we have duals for that. Tundra is the best, but Nimbus Maze taps for white if we have an island. Between Tundra and reguar Islands I’d say it should be okay.

I’m surprised that no one mentioned Frozen Aether!

We need cantrips outside of Ruse. Someone posted a list with Gryff and that seems okay, but we have to do better I think.

Splashing white gives us nice sideboard options like Geddon/Ravages of War.

[Karhumies]

I don't think you can run BTB in a Stompy shell. The decks are too dependent on Sol lands to abuse mana imbalance.

MD 1of Tsabo's Web / Winter Orb / Propaganda / Overburden, then?

[Rishadan Brigand]

I think if a colour is going to be splashed, it needs to be black for hostage taker. That card does so much work for me and the amount of applications it has against the majority of the field is pretty staggering. Plus you can use it to recast your MM edict pirates.

[filln]

I’m surprised that no one mentioned Frozen Aether!

If you're already splashing for white, why not include Thalia HC? It's cheaper than Frozen Aether and has a big body. It doesn't hit artifacts or basic lands but I think the tradeoff would be worth it. Plus you can cast her with Cavern on Human and still cast the MM Pirates.

EDIT: After careful consideration, I feel like the downside of not being able to say "Cavern on Pirate" is too great. Disregard the THC suggestion.

[bruizar]

If we're gonna keep the name Popeye stompy we need to splash green for the spinach land destruction spell that is kudzu :p

Seriously though,

What the deck needs is a way to profit from fliers

Otherwise you're better off playing small pox.

That means equipment cards or cards that benefit from skyplunderer and/or thrumming bird.

Or they need to crew vehicles.. i think aerhersphere havester is best because it helps against burn, has no equip cost (thus no ancient tombs are tapping) and can survive a delver.

Also, the deck needs to either care about pirates or not.

There's no room for variance reduction or masive counterspells so if hostagetaker/black is the route, some removal for typical cards like DRS are needed.

The best colorless option is walking ballista, otherwise hostage taker is great because it is also good against SNT.

Chart a course is desirable with cheap fliers, eapecially if crucible wasteland are in the deck.

Thorn of amethyst is a must play because the unfair matchups improve greatly with it.

Sorcerous spyglass kind of sucks as the will sack the card u target with it to rishadan pirates but the glasses of urza effect is nice. Not good enough.

Parralax tide is th most powerful play the deck can have and it would be great if we ca troll bob huang and crew by making this the combo. One sided armageddon ftw

Pirate's ruse and metallic mimic are the only cards incan think of that care about pirates and re sort of good.
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[Redkid43]

Why not play both? One of the best things about Moon Stompy is it’s redundancy with prison effects. Granted one is more expensive than the other.

That begs the question of also playing little Thalia too. Then I guess that makes us a bad Death and Taxes list.

Dare I say Death and Tariffs ;)

[Barook]

I think if a colour is going to be splashed, it needs to be black for hostage taker. That card does so much work for me and the amount of applications it has against the majority of the field is pretty staggering. Plus you can use it to recast your MM edict pirates.
I do like Hostage Taker so far, but I wouldn't rule out other colors yet.

This may sound heretical, but I would strongly suggest to cut Siren's Ruse. Sure, the ability to 2-for-1 your opponent is good, but then again, you have to spend 3+ for a pirate and then hope your opponent doesn't have mana open for it to be not a shitty cantrip. And without a pirate, it's completely dead. That's not where we want to be.

It's a move that lowers the blue count even further, but I strongly suggest running 4x Dimir Signet instead. After a bit of goldfishing, I'm amazed how much better the deck could run if it can actually cast its shit. People should really test the Signet, it seems great. Excess mana could be used for equipment and Ballista charges.

Another thing that worth considering is moving up the Treasure Mage count. Only two copies doesn't seem satisfying.

[Rishadan Brigand]

I do like Hostage Taker so far, but I wouldn't rule out other colors yet.

This may sound heretical, but I would strongly suggest to cut Siren's Ruse. Sure, the ability to 2-for-1 your opponent is good, but then again, you have to spend 3+ for a pirate and then hope your opponent doesn't have mana open for it to be not a shitty cantrip. And without a pirate, it's completely dead. That's not where we want to be.

It's a move that lowers the blue count even further, but I strongly suggest running 4x Dimir Signet instead. After a bit of goldfishing, I'm amazed how much better the deck could run if it can actually cast its shit. People should really test the Signet, it seems great. Excess mana could be used for equipment and Ballista charges.

Another thing that worth considering is moving up the Treasure Mage count. Only two copies doesn't seem satisfying.

Signet is interesting as it is castable off of Cavern and still fixes mana. Another reason why black has been so useful was the inclusion of Toxic Deluge for Elves (looking at you Julian). But again that also interferes with our ability to use Ancient Tomb but it is an option. We could definitely bump the Trophy Mage count up to at least 3. I've had quite a few games come down to Cutpurse and Trophy Mage beatdown so the 2/2 body is surprisingly relevant.

I've been testing thorns in the main in the Chart a course slot and the result are fairly promising. I've also tried mb'ing 2 JTMS and it's been absolutely great. JTMS is a good card, who knew?

[bruizar]

This is the list I came up with. I think it solves a variety of problems.

[land]
4x Wasteland
4x Cavern of Souls
3x City of Traitors
3x Ancient Tomb
2x Underground Sea
2x Island

[fixing]
4x Dimir Signet
4x Chrome Mox

[creatures]
3x Rishadan Cutpurse
2x Rishadan Footpad
4x Hostage Taker
4x Skyship Plunderer
2x Thrummingbird
4x Walking Ballista

3x Parallax Tide
4x Chalice of the Void
1x Umezawa’s Jitte
1x Aethersphere Harvester
4x Thorn of Amethyst
2x Siren’s Ruse

[sideboard]
1x Aethersphere Harvester
1x March of the Drowned
3x Collective Brutality
3x Force of Will
3x Engineered Plague
2x Sorcerous Spyglass
2x Baleful Strix


The energy of Aethersphere Harvester can be boosted with bird/plunderer. Harvester helps out the burn matchup, delvers and offsets ancient tomb damage. Walking ballista, jitte and parallax tide are also much better with the bird and the plunderer. Thorn and chalice are good for combo matchups, hostage taker is good against show and tell and useful as a value creature.

[Raizen884]

I think the Tide plan takes so many slots, and it works poorly against a lot of decks on legacy, because a bunch of decks on the format can operate on a single land or even landless after they resolved something, like Delver/Storm/Elves/Infect/Reanimator and the list goes on...

I wouldn't waste so many slots for a plan that works on maybe like 60% of the field at most, when it does work. Trinisphere looks more reliable and works better wasting less slots, in my opinion.

[Barook]

Thorn + Tide seems like a nonbo. Who wants to spend 5 or 6 mana to cast a Tide? Trinisphere would fit better if you really want to go with that route.

[bruizar]

I like the assymetry of parallax tide though. If you're going to go for trinisphere you may as well cut thorn in the first place.

Tanglewire could be an alternative but anyone who has played with it knows that you can get blown out by an opposing wasteland yourself, leaving you stuck under your own wire. There's ways to navigate around that, but why would you if you can try out tide.

[Nekrataal]

If the build contains more artefakt mana, then you could play Mana Breach and forget about fancy Parallax Tide tricks and weak creatures like Plunderer or Thrumming Birds. In a stompy shell you usually do not play more than one spell a turn anyway.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

artefakt

This username/post combo. Lol.

[Barook]

If the build contains more artefakt mana, then you could play Mana Breach and forget about fancy Parallax Tide tricks and weak creatures like Plunderer or Thrumming Birds. In a stompy shell you usually do not play more than one spell a turn anyway.
Mana Breach

Sounds pretty interesting in terms of mana denial, especially against decks that cast tons of cantrips. But given how mana-intensive this kind of Stompy deck is, I don't know if it's what we need. It also kinda sucks if you want to Wasteland something and then they would play an instant to save it. Needs testing.

A different card I found that might be interesting could be Crystal Shard as it can bounce opposing creatures or our own pirates - and it's fetchable with Trophy Mage.

[Nekrataal]

Crystal Shard is fetchable with Trophy Mage, alright. For bouncing opponents creatures Equilibrium could be a safer alternative. Harder to cast though and you always need a creature to use the effect.


Mana Breach

It also kinda sucks if you want to Wasteland something and then they would play an instant to save it. Needs testing.

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Indeed :(

[Veruckt]

I registered because the idea of Pirate Stompy appealed to me too. Making it a Proliferate deck is also something unheard of. Here's my brew:

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Tangle Wire
3 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Viral Drake
4 Skyship Plunderer
4 Thrummingbird
4 Walking Ballista
4 Parallax Tide
4 Force of Will
12 Island
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Saprazzan Skerry
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage


// 15 Sideboard

SB: 3 Sorcerous Spyglass
SB: 2 Tsabo's Web
SB: 1 True-Name Nemesis
SB: 3 Faerie Macabre
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 2 Propaganda

People I asked are against Drake, and they may be right. It seems like a way to tick up counters, and doges removal, but it's also an expensive flier that doesn't do much on it's own. Funny how Tezzeret, Tamiyo and Jace could work well for the deck - hard to choose which one is best for it if any. Tamiyo's ability to turn off biggest thread works nicely with Wire. I could see Trinket Mage here, for chalice and Ballista. Not super sold on lock pieces - perhaps Trinisphere would be better than Wire, and counter putting redundancy is enough without it.

All in all, the bes part of the joke was how it made brewing a new blue stompy idea a reality.

[sco0ter]

Wouldn't it be better to play Pirates in a typical Vial shell?

4 Aether Vial
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland

Why I had this idea?
- Death and Taxes plays a mana denial plan as well. Use Vial to play creatures, deny mana with Ports/Wasteland. Pirates might work in a similar way.
- Two colors (UB) are not optimal in a stompy mana base I think.
- Rishadan Port has flavor with Rishadan pirates :-)
- Vialing your pirates while using your lands for dropping things like Tangle Wire or Parallax Tide sounds like a plan.

[TLK]

Wouldn't it be better to play Pirates in a typical Vial shell?

4 Aether Vial
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland

Why I had this idea?
- Death and Taxes plays a mana denial plan as well. Use Vial to play creatures, deny mana with Ports/Wasteland. Pirates might work in a similar way.
- Two colors (UB) are not optimal in a stompy mana base I think.
- Rishadan Port has flavor with Rishadan pirates :-)
- Vialing your pirates while using your lands for dropping things like Tangle Wire or Parallax Tide sounds like a plan.

I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread that Vial is a nonbo with Chalice, it also that the Rishadan Pirates start at CMC 3, whereas you can start using Vial in decks like D&T and Goblins with 1 counter.

[sco0ter]

I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread that Vial is a nonbo with Chalice, it also that the Rishadan Pirates start at CMC 3, whereas you can start using Vial in decks like D&T and Goblins with 1 counter.

Obviously you would cut Chalice then and add creatures like Siren Stormtamer and/or Deadeye Tracker to have a good curve.

[iatee]

One sweet thing about a Death and Pirates build is that you could protect Ramirez DePietro with Karakas.

[Barook]

Wouldn't it be better to play Pirates in a typical Vial shell?

4 Aether Vial
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland

Why I had this idea?
- Death and Taxes plays a mana denial plan as well. Use Vial to play creatures, deny mana with Ports/Wasteland. Pirates might work in a similar way.
- Two colors (UB) are not optimal in a stompy mana base I think.
- Rishadan Port has flavor with Rishadan pirates :-)
- Vialing your pirates while using your lands for dropping things like Tangle Wire or Parallax Tide sounds like a plan.
UB is hardly and issue so far as Hostage Taker can be cast of Cavern and Dimir Signet helps with the casting cost as well.

Vial doesn't work in this deck. The tax pirates are 3, 4, 5 CMC - that takes way too long to charge.

[bruizar]

Wouldn't it be better to play Pirates in a typical Vial shell?

4 Aether Vial
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland

Why I had this idea?
- Death and Taxes plays a mana denial plan as well. Use Vial to play creatures, deny mana with Ports/Wasteland. Pirates might work in a similar way.
- Two colors (UB) are not optimal in a stompy mana base I think.
- Rishadan Port has flavor with Rishadan pirates :-)
- Vialing your pirates while using your lands for dropping things like Tangle Wire or Parallax Tide sounds like a plan.

Vial isn't good here. Cutpurse is a turn 4 vial play at the soonest. The idea of DNT is that you can immediately get value out of DNT with a proper mana curve. The idea of stompy decks is to have broken turn 1 plays with chrome mox and sol lands.

[Aggro_zombies]

I'd be kind of interested in running a small Trophy Mage package in this deck.

Just off the top of my head, things worth getting with the card:

3Sphere
Tangle Wire
Crucible
Swords of X and Y
Aethersphere Harvester

Of those, the former three help with mana denial and the latter two turn your garbage pirates into legitimate threats. I'd wonder about trying something like this:

4 Skyship Plunderer
4 Rishadan Cutpurse
3 Rishadan Footpad
3 Trophy Mage
3 Hostage Taker

4 Chalice of the Void
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
2 Tangle Wire

1 Sword of Body and Mind
1 Umezawa's Jitte

1 Crucible of Worlds

3 Chrome Mox
3 Dimir Signet

4 Wasteland
3 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Underground Sea
3 Island

[Rishadan Brigand]

I'd be kind of interested in running a small Trophy Mage package in this deck.

Just off the top of my head, things worth getting with the card:

3Sphere
Tangle Wire
Crucible
Swords of X and Y
Aethersphere Harvester

Of those, the former three help with mana denial and the latter two turn your garbage pirates into legitimate threats. I'd wonder about trying something like this:

4 Skyship Plunderer
4 Rishadan Cutpurse
3 Rishadan Footpad
3 Trophy Mage
3 Hostage Taker

4 Chalice of the Void
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Trinisphere
2 Tangle Wire

1 Sword of Body and Mind
1 Umezawa's Jitte

1 Crucible of Worlds

3 Chrome Mox
3 Dimir Signet

4 Wasteland
3 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Underground Sea
3 Island

Trophy mage puts in mad work for me. I prefer Sword of Feast and Famine and Sword of Fire and Ice myself though. Mostly because if SOFI connects once then its usually game. Tangle wire was somewhat disappointing when I tested it though.

[MD.Ghost]

So more serious post here after the whole joke thing is over.

If you really want discuss a pirate stompy list you should think about some stuff:

Compare it to all other stompy-shells around, why "pirate" (yeah its sounds cool! to have a sneaky pirate deck) over other established lists.

Dragon Stompy: Has a lot of lockpieces and either wins via fast beaters or hides behind bridge to let plaineswalker do the job. Bonus Points for only be a red based deck and no color issues. Land Hate via Moon effects. Comes with Chalice & Trinisphere to tax&prevent efficent spells.

Sylvan Plug: Now with Ramunap Excavator and possible Playset of Garruk Relentless clearly buildable as mono green (but can work with black and black/white splash too). Plug offers good lock pieces, solid green beaters and library&zenith to stabilize the whole stompy-draw based problem. Land hate via Wasteland+Excavator (Knights) and Choke. Comes with Chalice & Trinisphere to tax&prevent efficent spells too.

Eldrazi Stompy: Colorless nightmare with good beaters and a more aggro based playstyle. Tend to only play a small amount of Wasteland or Unique lands cause its better to cast a good threat than prevent your opponent plays. Clearly creature heavy shell with and high amount of eldrazi based sollands. Comes with Chalice & often enough Thorn maindeck to tax/prevent efficent spells. Playset Thought-Knot Dude for more Maindeck Combo hate (or hand interaction).

Thalia/White Stompy: Pairs human creatures with eldrazi (bonus points uncounterable with cavern) and overall run a very solid shell with good creature mix that can interact with your opponent or disrupt him. Land Hate via Wasteland (Thalia 2.0). Comes with Chalice & Thalia (aka Thorn on a stick) to tax/prevent efficent spells too. Playset Thought-Knot Dude for more Maindeck Combo hate (or hand interaction).

Than we have more fringe stuff like demon, soldier, sea stompy, staxx stuff etc.

Lets talk about the Pirate relevant cards:

So what offers Pirates/blue-based Stompy over the builds above? All Rishadan Pirates are heavily overcosted. They can more or less only beat your opponent if your lock is already working and needs to be paired with other prison/tax elements to profit (otherwise your opponent will simply pay x or sac something unimportant and is fine with your little pirate)

First in a pirate/human shell Cavern of Souls is one of the best things you can have to pass counterwalls with your pirates (for example: dazing a threat and follow up with wasteland is often super hard for stompy lists to recover).

Cavern leads to a more creature based deck (similiar to Thalia Stompy) which means less space for lockpieces, walkers, equip etc. - that isnt bad overall because while lockpieces are fine, multiple are often usless and overall none of them beat your opponent to dead or handle a creature that still entered the battlefield through/before your prison elements. Spell based interaction like Instant/Sorcery are often a trap cause its only a oneshot and stompy works better with permanents (you can still add some support spells - but as mentioned before - your opponent will only die to creatures/combat damage in most cases, stacking a hand with spells that might be good sometimes isnt the right way because without cantrip-shells you need stuff that is usefull in most situations/against every deck).

Talking about prison stuff besides chalice:

Thorn of Amethyst was already mentioned before. Best part about that artifact is, that it is castable turn 1 via Solland/Mox which can be huge against combo decks or if you are on the draw. Taxing non-creature spells in legacy is often a good idea because format is still spell based with a lot of cantrips and efficient low cost interaction paired with a fragile/greedy mana base. It offers a good support for Rishadan Pirates. Problem is, Thorn will also tax your stuff so paired with non-creature spells might be troublesome especially if mixed with cc4+ stuff like Planeswalker, Parallax Tide etc. Bonus Points that you can stack it so multiple cards arent useless.

Trinisphere is the other common prison artifact. Compared to thorn it will also affect creatures which can be nice too since format also likes efficient creatures like Delver, Deathrite etc. Since most stompy creatures are cc3 anyway, trinisphere will be more annoying for your opponent in most cases. Multiple Spheres dont stack and cc3 often means only "turn 2" in terms of combo hate.

Tangle Wire not common in current stompy decks this piece will force the opponent to interact and will also affect the board, even if a creature already passed your prison/lock elements. This can be huge because follow up with rishadan pirates will nearly guarantee your opponent most sac something. But the price is, that isn't as onesided as the other artifacts above so it will tap down your own stuff too. It can be managed since you can your chalice/tangle wire etc. too. Bonus Points to offer interaction with Skyship Plunderer and Hostage Tacker can set it back too - and finally they stack (which is rarely needed). Interaction with Skyship Plunderer may favour builds with Parallax Tide and/or Planeswalker (Jace) too.

Creature based interaction:

As some of you already mentioned every stompy shell needs ways to answer creatures from your opponent that pass or ignore your lockelements. This is much more important for pirate stompy cause rishadan dudes have weak bodies too and even the small legacy creatures can block/trade with them easily. Flying creatures like Skyship Plunderer paired with Jitte are a good idea for combat situations, Hostage Takers (while need a splash) are super solid since they work in a lot of situations and can also reset your own Rishadan Pirates/Tangle Wire stuff. Walking Ballista is also an easy way to get a growing colorless threat. Or use Emerge Eldrazi (Wretched Gryff, Distended Mindbender, Elder Deep-Fiend) to transform your useless pirates.

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Have fun to brew something spicy up!

[bruizar]

Mindlock Orb could be an interesting card.

[mistercakes]

if you want to run heavy thalia build you could run tundras and caverns along with the masques pirates + thalias in a tangle wire build. still probably sucks more than traditional stompy lists, but at least you'd have some good matchups.

[Rishadan Brigand]

So Im still running the meme deck and so far Thorn has been absolutely great for me. Took the deck through a gauntlet with some of my legacy test group and so far it's feeling like an actual deck.

[bruizar]

So Im still running the meme deck and so far Thorn has been absolutely great for me. Took the deck through a gauntlet with some of my legacy test group and so far it's feeling like an actual deck.

I'll slowly be collecting the pieces for this deck too. Good to see you have some success with thorn

[Barook]

So Im still running the meme deck and so far Thorn has been absolutely great for me. Took the deck through a gauntlet with some of my legacy test group and so far it's feeling like an actual deck.
As soon as your opponent has mana, they're extremely overcosted, underwhelming creatures.

Is it really the Pirates that are good? Or is it that the other components that win the games mostly, e.g. Trophy Mage for CoW + Wasteland or equipment, or the lockpieces?

[bruizar]

As soon as your opponent has mana, they're extremely overcosted, underwhelming creatures.

Is it really the Pirates that are good? Or is it that the other components that win the games mostly, e.g. Trophy Mage for CoW + Wasteland or equipment, or the lockpieces?

Of the three, footpad seems like the best one to me. Skyplunderer and hostage taker are the best pirates imo

[Barook]

Of the three, footpad seems like the best one to me. Skyplunderer and hostage taker are the best pirates imo
But all of those can be played off a Cavern naming Human. There's no reason to invest too heavily into the pirate theme.

[bruizar]

But all of those can be played off a Cavern naming Human. There's no reason to invest too heavily into the pirate theme.

Fell flagship and sirens ruse are the only reasons to stay within theme. That said, i still think that the skyship plunderer serves a good purpose in the deck.

[MorphBerlin]

Is it really the Pirates that are good? Or is it that the other components that win the games mostly, e.g. Trophy Mage for CoW + Wasteland or equipment, or the lockpieces?

Isn't this true for every stompy deck? Your lock piece the formant can't adopt too (mainly chalice or Moon) and what big dragon, planeswalker, or eldrazi kitchen table card you play after that is basically irelevant. You can put any reasonable payoff card your timmy heart desires into deck and it won't matter for your win%.

[mistercakes]

blue at least has the payoff of being able to pitch cards. i would still rather play sea stompy, but have no idea what it would look like these days.

[Barook]

Isn't this true for every stompy deck? Your lock piece the formant can't adopt too (mainly chalice or Moon) and what big dragon, planeswalker, or eldrazi kitchen table card you play after that is basically irelevant. You can put any reasonable payoff card your timmy heart desires into deck and it won't matter for your win%.
Except it does depend if your beaters can actually disrupt or increase consistency, too.

While being hard on the mana, Skyship Plunderer does seem interesting with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas - it can make his nuke ready within the same turn it comes down.

[sheriffharry]

Just to keep the thread alive 12 more hours..:
Why not add Rishadan Port to the mix..

4 Ancient Tomb
1 Cavern of Souls
2 City of Traitors
1 Flooded Strand
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
4 Rishadan Port
1 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
4 Wasteland

2 Deadeye Quartermaster
2 Dreamcaller Siren
2 Hostage Taker
4 Kitesail Freebooter
2 Rishadan Airship
4 Rishadan Cutpurse
4 Rishadan Footpad

2 Siren's Ruse
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Chrome Mox
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Trinisphere
1 Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard:
3 Engineered Explosives
2 Pithing Needle
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Toxic Deluge

[Admiral_Arzar]

blue at least has the payoff of being able to pitch cards. i would still rather play sea stompy, but have no idea what it would look like these days.

Start with TNN, Sea Drake, Misthollow Griffin, and Jace.

[sheriffharry]

POPEYE STOMPY (at least my mana-screwed version) IS a thing that can win in Legacy.
Here's the proof on XMage, and the decklist.
Note that in the first game, opponent has NO board at all turn 5!

I also had very competitive loss to D&T, Manaless Dredge and Elves.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pirate-stompy-3/

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q485/sheriffharry1/Victory%20Popeye_zpsbd3ljpkc.jpg

http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q485/sheriffharry1/Victory%20Popeye2_zpskjzopyi5.jpg

[kinda]

Who's got a current list?

[cdnza]

I've built this for Premodern, does that count?

[kinda]

I've built this for Premodern, does that count?

Yup, list?

[filln]

Decided to dust off Popeye Stompy for my weekly and went 2-1. Lost to Burn, beat Jund Plug and BR Reanimator. Highlights include...

Assembled a turn 2 soft-lock of Kitesail Freebooter and Tangle Wire to tap down five of my opponent's permanents a turn
Stole and cast a Titania, Protector of Argoth thanks to Hostage Taker
Double Stone Rain my BR Reanimator opponent after Forcing his Exhume and then casting Rishadan Cutpurse followed by Siren's Ruse

List below, though it really hasn't been updated recently and the sideboard is a mess. One card I'm intrigued by to test is Mystical Dispute, since it gets around Chalice.

☠️ m a i n ☠️
4 Rishadan Cutpurse
3 Rishadan Footpad
2 Kitesail Freebooter
2 Hostage Taker
4 Skyship Plunderer
2 Parallax Tide
2 Hoodwink
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Tangle Wire
4 Siren's Ruse
4 Force of Will
1 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Chrome Mox
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Saprazzan Skerry
4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
2 Island

✨ s i d e b o a r d ✨
2 Sorcerous Spyglass
2 Flusterstorm
2 Trinisphere
3 Leyline of the Void
1 Helm of Obedience
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Dismember
2 Kitesail Freebooter

[FTW]

4 Forerunner of the Coalition is tech.

Then you can run toolbox popeyes like Dreamcaller Siren, Hostage Taker, Dire Fleet Poisoner, and maybe even Admiral Beckett Brass (cast off Caverns mana).

[kinda]

Callum is streaming this on his stream to support the NAACP! https://www.twitch.tv/whitefaces . Come support!

[Barook]

Even with the Companion nerf, I wonder what a Pirate Stompy list would look like with Yorion as companion - lots of ETB triggers that can snowball quickly into something stupid.

Maybe even a a little white splash for Eldrazi Displacer/Soul Herder for extra hilarity.

[kinda]

Even with the Companion nerf, I wonder what a Pirate Stompy list would look like with Yorion as companion - lots of ETB triggers that can snowball quickly into something stupid.

Maybe even a a little white splash for Eldrazi Displacer/Soul Herder for extra hilarity.

Definitely think this is the right direction.

[FTW]

With the Companion nerf, is this any better than just casting Ghostway for 5 less mana, or using Eldrazi Displacer?

Yorion requires having a lower probability to open with Sol Lands or Chalice, which automatically makes the stompy shell worse.

[drekonja]

With new additions from recent set of Commander Legends, namely Hullbreacher and Azure fleet admiral, is there a chance of a revival of Pirate stompy?

[Reeplcheep]

I was brewing this. Direfleet neck breaker is also good. With 2 legacy playable cards on their own (freebooter & hullbreacher) I think there is enough to justify a shell.

[kinda]

With new additions from recent set of Commander Legends, namely Hullbreacher and Azure fleet admiral, is there a chance of a revival of Pirate stompy?

It's definitely improved, post your 75 here.

[drekonja]

It's definitely improved, post your 75 here.

I have no particular list in mind, original one tried to expoited the opponent being tapped out, but with Hullbreacher could go more into timetwister combo, but then would that be more effective than karn echoes?

The monarch pirate may be useful I saw the black monarch in random monoblack brews played by ThrabenU, however if these are even a thing in legacy or still only reserved to poppa people (as would Julian say xD).

[kinda]

I have no particular list in mind, original one tried to expoited the opponent being tapped out, but with Hullbreacher could go more into timetwister combo, but then would that be more effective than karn echoes?

The monarch pirate may be useful I saw the black monarch in random monoblack brews played by ThrabenU, however if these are even a thing in legacy or still only reserved to poppa people (as would Julian say xD).

Well idk wut the list would look like, I threw this together:


4 Ancient Tomb
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
4 Polluted Delta
1 Island
1 swamp
4 Underground Sea
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Chrome Mox

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Eliminate
4 Hostage Taker
4 Kitesail Freebooter
2 Fathom Fleet Captain
1 Departed Deckhand
2 Ruin Raider
2 Corsair Captain
4 chains of mephistopheles
4 hullbreacher
3 wheel and Deal
3 plague engineer

Sideboard
1 Plague Engineer
4 force of will
2 force of Phil
2 Dread of Night
4 leyline of the void
2 Brazen Borrower

[kinda]

ThrabenU went positive with Popeye Stompy!

Link: https://youtu.be/y5XlV5R3S-o

[FTW]

I wonder how much better that could be with a few tweaks...

If you're running a maindeck 2B non-Popeye, Opposition Agent seems good, leaving Plague for the SB.

Wheel and Deal looked pretty weak because 4-mana Mind Twist is slow and you're not drawing 7 yourself. How much better would Echo of Eons be? Echo would push you towards Karn, LED and Narset. Without committing so much to that plan, maybe Dark Deal? Whirlpool Warrior? Something that can draw you more than 1 card seems good.

Day's Undoing ending your turn hurts, but is it better to pass with 7 cards up than to have a main phase with treasures but no cards to cast? Drawing into FoW, instants like Eliminate, and flash creatures balances out the drawback of ending the turn. Your main phase is over, but they have no hand and you have a full grip of 7 cards with 7 Treasures. They get one draw step and one main phase, but you can do things on their turn. Seems better than Wheel.

With a Day's Undoing build...


//Lands: 20
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
4 Underground Sea
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea

//Artifacts: 8
4 Chrome Mox
4 Chalice of the Void

//Spells: 10
4 Force of Will
3 Eliminate
3 Day's Undoing

//Creatures: 22
4 Kitesail Freebooter
1 Dire Fleet Poisoner
1 Fathom Fleet Captain
4 Hullbreacher
3 Forerunner of the Coalition
2 Corsair Captain
2 Opposition Agent
1 Brazen Borrower
4 Hostage Taker

//Sideboard: 15
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Plague Engineer
1 Eliminate
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Wheel and Deal
1 Brazen Borrower
2 Force of Negation
2 Sorcerous Spyglass


Maindeck FoW seems good overall and helps negate the drawback of passing the turn after Day's Undoing.

Forerunner seems like good tech to improve consistency, by finding Hullbreacher when you need it or finding one of the toolbox popeyes other times. Otherwise the deck has no card selection and is the victim of random variance.

I think maindeck 4x Chains seems weak. Instead of milling them or using Chains as a backup, you can just tutor for Hullbreacher. I kept 1 Chains + 1 Wheel in the SB for the matchups where the combo is very good, but other times those cards just seem like liabilities.

I changed up some of the toolbox popeyes but feel free to switch back. Dire Fleet Poisoner with flash+deathtouch can trade with a lot of nasty things, especially when you give the Menace Captain deathtouch and kill 2 things. Departed Deckhand just seemed mediocre. There are other ways to get evasion.

Ruin Raider's life loss seems pretty bad in a Stompy deck, which tends to have a higher curve. Especially after boarding in Forces. Bob decks usually have a lot of 1s.

[FTW]

Monoblue opens up a better Popeye Stompy because you can just play Narset, Parter of Veils and LED+Echo.


//Lands: 19
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
3 Cavern of Souls
4 Seat of the Synod
6 Snow-Covered Island

//Artifacts: 14
4 Lotus Petal
3 Mox Opal
3 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void

//Planeswalkers: 6
2 Narset, Parter of Veils
4 Karn, the Great Creator

//Spells: 4
4 Echo of Eons

//Pirates: 17
3 Warkite Marauder
3 Daring Saboteur
4 Hullbreacher
3 Corsair Captain
1 Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator
2 Merchant Raiders
1 Amphin Mutineer

//Sideboard: 15
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Liquimetal Coating
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Sorcerous Spyglass
1 Tormod's Crypt
4 Force of Will
1 Amphin Mutineer
2 Azure Fleet Admiral
2 Brazen Borrower


Some good popeyes were just printed!

Daring Saboteur kills PWs, loots, and gets Echo in the graveyard without LED.

Edit: Ghost of Ramirez DePietro is trash, nevermind. Misread the card.

Malcolm flies and makes treasures.

Merchant Raiders and Amphin Mutineer play board control

Admiral draws cards, while the Monarch drawback is offset by Narset and Hullbreacher

[drekonja]

ThrabenU went positive with Popeye Stompy!

Link: https://youtu.be/y5XlV5R3S-o

I watched it. Congratulations!

I would probably do some tweaks though. Azure fleet admiral instead of Ruin raider, even it costs one mana more it is a blue card, one more toughness and you are sure to draw a card at the end step and without losing life. It can backfire, but captain is good to take monarchy back if survives. Also I think Force of will are quite good main, cutting black cards like Plague engineer from main.

[kinda]

I watched it. Congratulations!

I would probably do some tweaks though. Azure fleet admiral instead of Ruin raider, even it costs one mana more it is a blue card, one more toughness and you are sure to draw a card at the end step and without losing life. It can backfire, but captain is good to take monarchy back if survives. Also I think Force of will are quite good main, cutting black cards like Plague engineer from main.

Nice, glad you enjoyed it! I think you're right, I struggled to find good blue pirates, this one seems decent. I don't think we've got enough raw card advantage to run md pitch spells in here though.

@FTW, both your lists look good! But you're missing the plot, we're trying to show how Wheel and Deal...arguably the worst card in mtg history...is good here.

[FTW]

@FTW, both your lists look good! But you're missing the plot, we're trying to show how Wheel and Deal...arguably the worst card in mtg history...is good here.

Oh I see. And here I was trying to replace Wheel and Deal with a decent Magic card, while staying true to the popeye theme.

Well, Wheel certainly seems least terrible next to 4x Hullbreacher and 4x Chains.

I'd still change up Ruin Raiders, maybe Departed Deckhand, and consider cutting down on Chains copies just to have tutors for Hullbreacher instead (Forerunner or Intuition). Milling has a real drawback in Legacy, where a ton of decks use graveyard as a resource.

[kinda]

Oh I see. And here I was trying to replace Wheel and Deal with a decent Magic card, while staying true to the popeye theme.

Well, Wheel certainly seems least terrible next to 4x Hullbreacher and 4x Chains.

We did lose 1 game by growing their goyf.

I'd still change up Ruin Raiders, maybe Departed Deckhand, and consider cutting down on Chains copies just to have tutors for Hullbreacher instead (Forerunner or Intuition). Milling has a real drawback in Legacy, where a ton of decks use graveyard as a resource.

Wheel and deal is very on theme, it's very pirate flavored IMO. Sort of the whole point :laugh:.

We did lose one game by growing their goyf.

[FTW]

I also agree with drekonja that Azure Fleet Admiral is better than Ruin Raider. Even if it costs more, it also:
-doesn't require Raid, so it draws cards more often
-doesn't lose you life
-blue card for FoW
-bigger butt
-has evasion if they get Monarch
-has better Pirate themed art

The Monarch token is actually a Curse for the opponent when you have Hullbreacher (EOT create a Treasure) or Chains. The synergy with your deck is good enough to run up to 3 copies main.

[kinda]

I also agree with drekonja that Azure Fleet Admiral is better than Ruin Raider. Even if it costs more, it also:
-doesn't require Raid, so it draws cards more often
-doesn't lose you life
-blue card for FoW
-bigger butt
-has evasion if they get Monarch
-has better Pirate themed art

The Monarch token is actually a Curse for the opponent when you have Hullbreacher (EOT create a Treasure) or Chains. The synergy with your deck is good enough to run up to 3 copies main.

I agree but in builds with 4 chains (which I think is correct currently, it's so good vs snoko and strong vs delver/elves/grizzly decks/echoes decks/TES) raider is my pick since it doesn't technically draw cards it works well with chains.

[kinda]

Legacy Council tried Popeye Stompy! Skip to two hours in, link: http://www.twitch.tv/legacy_council/v/846578921?sr=a&t=11956s
Good fun.