Eternal Weekend stream discussion

[Barook]

I was wondering why we don't have a thread for it yet:

https://www.twitch.tv/cardtitan

Currently on screen: ANT vs Scapeshift (apparently, it was Nic Shift - and it took down the match)

[JamieW89]

Not going well for storm so far. ANT losing to Nic Fit and Bryant getting destroyed by BUG Delver :(

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Least he doesn’t have to worry about rite of flame getting banned.

[Barook]

Is the Legacy Top 8 known yet? The CardTitan site only has Vintage with decklists up so far.

[JackaBo]

What a great stream it's been so far! Great casters, although I wish they were slightly more knowledgable of the format.

[Megadeus]

Only 28/32 brainstorm in top 8. Sick Format

[ramanujan]

I am surprised that lands is 6% of the field. Usually the scarcity of Tabernacle makes that sort of thing impossible.

[Barook]

Only 28/32 brainstorm in top 8. Sick Format
Sounds balanced. /s

Where did you get that info from? What's the 8th deck?

[Icapica]

Sounds balanced. /s

Where did you get that info from? What's the 8th deck?

1 sultai delver
2 rug delver
3 grixis delver
4 deathblade mentor
5 czech
6 grixis delver
7 eldrazi
8 grixis delver

This was posted elsewhere.

[Megadeus]

So many different types of delver decks. Wow so healthy and diverse.

[Megadeus]

Seriously speaking though, how is Delver being in "different" shells any different from survival being in a bunch of "different" variations? Considering how much meta share Delver has altogether I can't imagine why it's okay but survival wasn't

[Julian23]

Really glad they finally followed through with Slow Play Warnings. That Deathblade guy in the Semis should have gotten a lot more than he did receive, but at least they did something about that ridiculous 11 minute sideboarding.

He'd play a lot faster if he stopped all those weird and super annoying hand gestures. Also, stop checking your graveyard on your Upkeep when you have neither an ability to interact with your yard, nor have a reasonable line to bluff interaction on Upkeep. This isn't Predict Miracles.

[haganbmj]

I am surprised that lands is 6% of the field. Usually the scarcity of Tabernacle makes that sort of thing impossible.

My theory was that many were owned by or borrowed from Vintage players that otherwise don't go to as many legacy events.
I played GR Lands, Pox, GR Lands to start the legacy main event - tabernacle was in play 5 of the 7 total games.

[Hanni]

Really glad they finally followed through with Slow Play Warnings. That Deathblade guy in the Semis should have gotten a lot more than he did receive, but at least they did something about that ridiculous 11 minute sideboarding.

He'd play a lot faster if he stopped all those weird and super annoying hand gestures. Also, stop checking your graveyard on your Upkeep when you have neither an ability to interact with your yard, nor have a reasonable line to bluff interaction on Upkeep. This isn't Predict Miracles.

I hadn't played Legacy in 5 months before this event, it was my first time making Top 8, this was the first time I've ever had to play on camera, and I'm only mediocre at playing magic.

[Aggro_zombies]

Seriously speaking though, how is Delver being in "different" shells any different from survival being in a bunch of "different" variations? Considering how much meta share Delver has altogether I can't imagine why it's okay but survival wasn't
Delver of Secrets isn't really the problem here. The format would naturally revolve around Uxy Turbo Xerox decks no matter what the individual win conditions are simply because Brainstorm is so above the curve, and the shell of Brainstorm, Ponder, Force is such a generically powerful starting point. Delver is just the most efficient way to close out a game when you run a bunch of cantrips and free or one-mana interactive spells.

If you really want to break open the format, ban Brainstorm. I suspect that will never happen, though, because the format has been under Brainstorm's iron heel for well over a decade and WotC has never shown any inclination to change that.

[ScottW]

I hadn't played Legacy in 5 months before this event, it was my first time making Top 8, this was the first time I've ever had to play on camera, and I'm only mediocre at playing magic.

I thought you did very well Hanni and congrats on top 4 man! Your play skill and deck building seemed to pay off.

[KIP_NZ]

What a great stream it's been so far! Great casters, although I wish they were slightly more knowledgable of the format.

As Nick is a vintage head and to be honest EW is more about the vintage than the Legacy event the announcers tend to have much stronger vintage knowledge than Legacy:

Mark H - Vintage Dredge player and winner in 2011 (maybe 2012?)
Mike Noble - Vintage player, known for Noble Fish and Cat Stax! Plays Belcher in Legacy
Randy - VSL... Old School.... and played Legacy for the first time earlier this year according to twitter


Last year they had Brassy as well instead of Mike but he's also a Vintage head even if he has a 2nd at a Legacy GP to his name.

[taconaut]

If you really want to break open the format, ban Brainstorm. I suspect that will never happen, though, because..

...that format would probably be miserable?

It's definitely true that it would break it open, but probably not in a way that makes Legacy better.

[PirateKing]

Really glad they finally followed through with Slow Play Warnings. That Deathblade guy in the Semis should have gotten a lot more than he did receive, but at least they did something about that ridiculous 11 minute sideboarding.

He'd play a lot faster if he stopped all those weird and super annoying hand gestures. Also, stop checking your graveyard on your Upkeep when you have neither an ability to interact with your yard, nor have a reasonable line to bluff interaction on Upkeep. This isn't Predict Miracles.

Which round is this?

[Megadeus]

...that format would probably be miserable?

It's definitely true that it would break it open, but probably not in a way that makes Legacy better.

I don't see how banning a cantrip would make legacy bad, especially when there's already another very powerful one to take its place

[Que]

Mega just stop now plz..


Relavant to thread:
Eldrazi was the savior we needed. Tough break on that last game, but I mean you couldn't hope for anything better. Hans just seemed to have it all that game.

[Megadeus]

He got the inconsistent chalice deck draw and lost to more consistent brainstorm ponder deck. The chalice deck doesn't get to keep 1 land hands and fix them with ponder and brainstorm. They get to mulligan to oblivion while Hanni gets to run a 4 color 18 land deck attempting to cast Jace because he has brainstorm, ponder probe and Deathrite and can keep basically any 7 with at least a fetch

[Cartesian]

I don't see how banning a cantrip would make legacy bad, especially when there's already another very powerful one to take its place
I think you are right. You don't see it.

On topic, congrats to HJ for the win, solid deck and play on camera.

[Hanni]

He got the inconsistent chalice deck draw and lost to more consistent brainstorm ponder deck. The chalice deck doesn't get to keep 1 land hands and fix them with ponder and brainstorm. They get to mulligan to oblivion while Hanni gets to run a 4 color 18 land deck attempting to cast Jace because he has brainstorm, ponder probe and Deathrite and can keep basically any 7 with at least a fetch

Is it really 4 color though, when the only green spell in the deck is also a black spell, with a single Trop in the maindeck? I never activated Deathrite's green ability all weekend, although I did play an EE for 4 on two different occasions, so there was that.

I get what you're saying though... 18 lands and 2 JTMS in the maindeck being possible because of the cantrips.

[Megadeus]

Is it really 4 color though, when the only green spell in the deck is also a black spell, with a single Trop in the maindeck? I never activated Deathrite's green ability all weekend, although I did play an EE for 4 on two different occasions, so there was that.

I get what you're saying though... 18 lands and 2 JTMS in the maindeck being possible because of the cantrips.

True. It's not a slight against you. I like your deck a lot. I plan on trying it out (though I don't really like Stoneforge), it's just a testament to how dumb the cantrips plus deathrite are. Maverick plays 9 mana dorks and has to play 23 lands just to be consistent enough.

[haganbmj]

True. It's not a slight against you. I like your deck a lot. I plan on trying it out (though I don't really like Stoneforge), it's just a testament to how dumb the cantrips plus deathrite are. Maverick plays 9 mana dorks and has to play 23 lands just to be consistent enough.

4 rainbow mana dorks and enough cantrips to find what you need is just a winning strategy in magic.