New format idea Modified Ban List Legacy

[JBlaze]

I was talking with a few friends about a new format we have been calling Modified Ban List Legacy. We wanted the format to still play like legacy so we came up with a "nope still banned list" with the fast mana plus Workshop, Bazaar and a few others but pretty much anything is legal as a four of.

I'm curious what people think of the format, what they would play, suggestions for the ban list anyway here it is...

Nope still banned list

25 cards with the Card Type “Conspiracy.
9 cards that reference "playing for ante.

Ancestral Recall
Bazaar of Baghdad
Black Lotus
Chaos Orb
Falling Star
FastBond
Library of Alexandria
Mana Crypt
Mana Drain
MANA Vault
Mishra's Workshop
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Ruby
Mox Sapphire
Shahrazad
Timetwister
Sol Ring
Strip Mine
Time Vault
Time Walk
Tolarian Academy

[Rascalyote]

Mana Drain still being banned but cards like Yawg Will being legal seems odd. On that note I'd play some combo deck with Will but haven't put too much thought into it.

[JBlaze]

Mana Drain on the list was about preserving the feel of Legacy more then pure power level. Yawg Will is busted in half but that's kind of the point, if you come up with a list I would be interested to see it.

[Pittplayer]

This ban list works only if you ban Tendrils of Agony.

[GenghisTom]

4x demonic tutor
4x vampiric tutor
4x imperial seal
4x yawg will

and all the other fast mana that's still not banned

Is the first broken thing that comes to mind

[mistercakes]

Tinker, memory jar stand out as problems here.

[bruizar]

Just unban everything, but with a maximum of 5 restricted cards in your deck. You can have 5 moxen, but that's all you can have..

[l33twash0r]

Just unban everything, but with a maximum of 5 restricted cards in your deck. You can have 5 moxen, but that's all you can have..


So dredge and shops are best decks?

[SpatulaOfTheAges]

Why would anyone want to play a format that's nothing but turn 2 combo decks and yet isn't Vintage? Oath of Druids, Flash-Hulk, Tinker, Yawg-Will Tendrils, etc. It's not going to feel anything like Legacy mate.

[NeckBird]

Seeing threads like this show that Legacy players are utter garbage at managing any sort of ban list. Like, even worse than casual EDH players. This is just such a laughably bad ban list and would be an atrocious format.

[rufus]

Hehehe. A 4x format without Demonic Consultation on the ban list.

[Dr_D]

Seeing threads like this show that Legacy players are utter garbage at managing any sort of ban list. Like, even worse than casual EDH players. This is just such a laughably bad ban list and would be an atrocious format.

I'd like to believe that most legacy players realize that having a format with jar, tinker, will, flash, all the broken tutors etc. legal would be terrible and this is just an outlier.

[kinda]

Terrible is subjective...there are people out there who enjoy standard and bud light.

[JBlaze]

Nobody has even mentioned the ridiculous shit that control gets. Cruise/Dig/Gush, Mental Misstep, Counter/Top, Balance.

As far as broken combos go we talked about having each person choose one banned card to play. It's not the version I prefer but it does cut down on the broken two card combos and I have to concede is more in line with the philosophy of having the format still play like Legacy.

[emidln]

It appears that consult and will are legal. I know what I'd play, and it'd end in tendrils every time.

[JBlaze]

It appears that consult and will are legal. I know what I'd play, and it'd end in tendrils every time.


You also get Demonic Tutor and Wheel of Fortune if you need them.

[Bithlord]

This ban list works only if you ban Tendrils of Agony.

Psh, that's fine.

Proceeds to play 3X mind's Desire, 4X burning wish.

At that point it really doesn't matter what you have, you'll be able to storm them to death off the mind's desire.

[Finn]

In my play group we allow exactly one card from the banned list in every deck. Any card. We have been doing this for years, and it has only caused a problem once (think recurring Ancestral Recall). The upshot has been very fun. We get to experience Chaos Orb hilarious, shaharazad stupid, and Fastbond broken. But only enough to try it out.

[MGB]

Tinker being legal is really bad. The best deck in the format would be a blue Tinker deck and it wouldn't even be close.

[rufus]

In my play group we allow exactly one card from the banned list in every deck. Any card. We have been doing this for years, and it has only caused a problem once (think recurring Ancestral Recall). The upshot has been very fun. We get to experience Chaos Orb hilarious, shaharazad stupid, and Fastbond broken. But only enough to try it out.

I'm a little surprised that other stuff didn't cause issues. Is your playgroup actively trying to bust the cards?

[MGB]

I'm a little surprised that other stuff didn't cause issues. Is your playgroup actively trying to bust the cards?

Seems like kitchen table magic tbh.

[Cire]

Well let's role with this . . . if you had 1 banned card in your deck how would you build the most broken deck?

[Mr. Safety]

I saw this and I was like 'cool, maybe include Survival, Top, unban a few cards that are safe.' Instead it's like 'Vintage lite', which would play totally different than actual legacy. Seems a little shifty to me...

[rufus]

Well let's role with this . . . if you had 1 banned card in your deck how would you build the most broken deck?

Tough call... Storm with 4x LED and 4x Black Lotus seems gas-tastic, or are you suggesting that it's a 1-of?

[Finn]

I'm a little surprised that other stuff didn't cause issues. Is your playgroup actively trying to bust the cards?

No. The point is just to have fun with them, so we have been dropping them into existing decks. Gush is amazing with Brainstorm. Fastbond in Elves, etc.

[ESG]

Nobody has even mentioned the ridiculous shit that control gets. Cruise/Dig/Gush, Mental Misstep, Counter/Top, Balance.

As far as broken combos go we talked about having each person choose one banned card to play. It's not the version I prefer but it does cut down on the broken two card combos and I have to concede is more in line with the philosophy of having the format still play like Legacy.

Yep, this is a more sensible route to go, and it's been done before as a way to test the power level of various banned cards. Your original proposal was basically a slightly slower Vintage.