Unplayable Chunderbucket Pile (but with chalice)

[kinda]

So the idea is to get a turn 1 lock piece (chalice or thorn) protected by chancellor...then use rhonas or piper to either drop the chancellor into play or pick another creature with summoner's pact. Summoner's pact gets either part of the combo (rhonas or piper plus fatty) or utility dude (scavenging ooze/wreck sage) or ramunap excavator to wasteland or ghost quarter lock. Suggestions?


4 chalice of the Void
4 chancellor of the annex
4 thorn of amethyst
4 spellskite

4 champion of rhonas
4 elvish piper

4 summoner's pact
1 worldspine wurm
1 terrastodon
1 ruric thar
1 progenitus
1 wreck sage
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Ramunap Excavator

3 mox diamond
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 wasteland
1 Ghost Quarter
3 forest
1 swamp
3 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs

SB:
3 summoning trap
4 engineered plague
4 Leyline of the Void
4 thought not seer

[Mr. Safety]

This needs 4x Veteran Explorer.

[Cave]

This needs 4x Veteran Explorer.

And a way to sac it.
And a way to play it through cotv.
So no, it doesn't.

[kinda]

This needs 4x Veteran Explorer.

:confused: I did consider splashing blue for arcane artisan.

[Mr. Safety]

And a way to sac it.
And a way to play it through cotv.
So no, it doesn't.

I guess you haven't been reading the Ban thread. I figured this was a clear and obvious joke, based purely on the title. I guess the joke's on me.



What's a card that props up utterly unplayable chunderbucket piles and makes the whole world miserable?

HINT: It's not blue.


Veteran explorer, and i'd extend that to anyone who posts in that thread too.

[kinda]

I appreciated the veteran explorer reference for the record :smile:. I definitely feel like some people don't follow the B/R thread as closely as they should. Though I am planning on running this at our proxy event on the 30th so any actual suggestions anyone has would be appreciated too.

[PirateKing]

Came for the name, stayed for the deck.

Instead of the Summoner's Pact and so many piper effects, some number of Green Sun's Zenith and Natural Order?
Green Sun will let you find your toolbox creatures early and your pipers late. Even if you Chalice on 1 right away, you can still get a Dryad Arbor if you overpay for GSZ, so the synergy isn't perfect, but not shut out like Veteran Explorer. Natural Order is pretty bombastic with so many green threats to deploy.

My next thoughts went to haste, either from Concordant Crossroads or Thousand-Year Elixir, just so your pipers were live the same turn you played them. Might also mean you can plop out a monster and swing in right away.

Then if your goal is gigantic creatures, garbage like Dueling Grounds or Silent Arbiter might offer some protection from getting hit back.

Then if your splashing white, whole bunch of garbage like Eladamri's Call become open to suggestion.

[pettdan]

Very interesting! I would look to Sylvan Plug for more inspiration. The Chancellors are really interesting in that kind of deck because they help make sure you get time to deploy your lock pieces and slow down fast decks for free. Sylvan Library is probably too good not to play, zero removal is rarely a good idea. The Spellskites seem a bit weak, I'm guessing you'll skip them after a while. Natural Order seems great. But not so great with Thorns I guess.

[Mr. Safety]

How are you paying for the Pacts? I know this sounds silly, but if someone Wastelands your Ancient Tomb and you can't pay, that's a big problem. Mox Diamond helps to ramp you into a fast combo, but I would still have a plan to deal with Pact triggers.

Other than that, the deck is actually quite sound. It's a creature cheater deck with Spellskite/Thorn of Amethyst synergy. I can't help but think that 1-2 Sylvan Library would be really decent, but I understand the need for a critical mass of creatures/lock pieces/combo elements.

[kinda]

Came for the name, stayed for the deck.

:cool:

Haste is a great idea. I think lightning greaves might be the best option here.

Green Sun’s Zenith/dueling grounds/eladamri's call would make an interesting version...would need to cut thorn. I'll do some thinking.

@pettdan: thanks! Pirateking's version which runs good cards instead of just xeroxing piper is growing on me. Library and NO would slot well in there.

@Mr. Safety: Yeah I expect to lose a game at some point where I need to use pact and then hope they don't draw wasteland :smile:. Library would be good if I go with pirate's toolbox version instead of the xerox version.

[kinda]

Ended up 2-4 with a ridiculous g3 loss to cephalid breakfast...I had progenitus plus chalice on 1 and 2 in play but lost to a vialled in mimeoplasm removing walking Ballista. I beat Canadian thresh and grixis control...lost to cephalid breakfast/Canadian thresh/slivers/nic fit. Only pulled off the dream once (on the play reveal chancellor and play turn 1 chalice...or thorn). Only running 22 Land for the 3 mox diamond's was a pretty bad oversight. Most of my matchups didn't care about thorn which was dissapointing. Piper'ing in tks during the draw step is pretty sweet :cool:.


4 chalice of the Void
4 thorn of amethyst
4 elvish piper
4 champion of rhonas
3 summoner's pact
2 lightning greaves
2 ramunap excavator
4 chancellor of the annex
1 progenitus
1 terrastodon
1 worldspine wurm
2 sylvan library
3 thought knot seer
1 lodestone golem

3 mox diamond
1 city of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
4 wasteland
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Bayou
3 forest
4 windswept heath
3 verdant catacombs

SB:
4 Leyline of the Void
4 engineered plague
3 abrupt decay
2 choke
1 wreck sage
1 Scavenging Ooze

[Cave]

I guess you haven't been reading the Ban thread. I figured this was a clear and obvious joke, based purely on the title. I guess the joke's on me.

I don't read that thread anymore.
I personally find that 1000+ pages of the same senseless banter and rotten arguments between the "ban brainstorm", the "ban fetchlands" and the "legacy good as it is" parties are way more than needed.
Being almost in my 30's, I'm generally disgusted at the easiness with which many young internet users compare people, things or events they perceive as negative to serious illness, but I admit that I recently had similar thoughts about that very thread.
B/R thread is the sole reason i'm not that much active on this forum anymore and I think one of the main reasons why people are moving to deck-related discord servers. It's so ridiculous and pervasive it literally echoes through the whole forum. Like, in every new edition spoiler thread, when a good card is revealed, there's always gonna be a stupid person who comes up with the "this is gonna make xerox decks even stronger" post. 100% guaranteed.

I'm sorry, i'm not that much of a joke person. :frown:

[kinda]

I'm sorry, i'm not that much of a joke person. :frown:

:confused:...why are you posting in here then?

[PirateKing]

Ended up 2-4 with a ridiculous g3 loss to cephalid breakfast...I had progenitus plus chalice on 1 and 2 in play but lost to a vialled in mimeoplasm removing walking Ballista. I beat Canadian thresh and grixis control...lost to cephalid breakfast/Canadian thresh/slivers/nic fit. Only pulled off the dream once (on the play reveal chancellor and play turn 1 chalice...or thorn). Only running 22 Land for the 3 mox diamond's was a pretty bad oversight. Most of my matchups didn't care about thorn which was dissapointing. Piper'ing in tks during the draw step is pretty sweet :cool:.

Glad to hear the dream isn't dead

Lightning Greaves is definitely the better haster, equip to a baby-faced Piper and fart out a monstrosity, haste him up to attack then move back to Piper to save from top deck removal. Good call there.

When are you playing Summoner's Pact? After resolving a Piper to find the guy, then paying for it next turn?

[Mr. Safety]

I don't read that thread anymore.
I personally find that 1000+ pages of the same senseless banter and rotten arguments between the "ban brainstorm", the "ban fetchlands" and the "legacy good as it is" parties are way more than needed.
Being almost in my 30's, I'm generally disgusted at the easiness with which many young internet users compare people, things or events they perceive as negative to serious illness, but I admit that I recently had similar thoughts about that very thread.
B/R thread is the sole reason i'm not that much active on this forum anymore and I think one of the main reasons why people are moving to deck-related discord servers. It's so ridiculous and pervasive it literally echoes through the whole forum. Like, in every new edition spoiler thread, when a good card is revealed, there's always gonna be a stupid person who comes up with the "this is gonna make xerox decks even stronger" post. 100% guaranteed.

I'm sorry, i'm not that much of a joke person. :frown:

Wow, almost in your 30's eh? So old...dude, I turn 40 next year.

Yes, there are some bad comments, but I prefer The Source over discord any day. If I want real-time discussion, nothing beats the LGS for me. I may be overly fortunate to have a thriving legacy scene with great discussion happening locally, but whatever. The Source is 2nd best, to me.

Decks like this, where people are actively playing off-beat decks and strategies because they just love the game, these are what keep me playing Legacy.

Specifically for the deck, how reasonable would it be to hard-cast a Chancellor of the Tangle? I always loved it in Hypergenesis and pre-game effects that super-charge Chalice and GSZ seem very good to me. Possibly too deep, but I like how explosive it could be.

[kinda]

Glad to hear the dream isn't dead

Lightning Greaves is definitely the better haster, equip to a baby-faced Piper and fart out a monstrosity, haste him up to attack then move back to Piper to save from top deck removal. Good call there.

When are you playing Summoner's Pact? After resolving a Piper to find the guy, then paying for it next turn?

Summoner's pact either gets a piper/champion which you then play right away or the other part of the combo in progenitus/wurm/terrastodon. Paying next turn usually has no downside. In a pinch it gets wreck sage/scooze etc.

@safety: the other chancellor is a good shout.

[non-inflammable]

Would chrome mox be better than mox diamond?

show your opponent chancellor at the beginning of the game, then imprint it for chrome mox?

[kinda]

Would chrome mox be better than mox diamond?

show your opponent chancellor at the beginning of the game, then imprint it for chrome mox?

Yes, definitely...if I try this again.

[Brainstorm Ape]

Since you're out to play a chunderbucket going all green could be interesting. Chancellor of the Tangle gives you a beefy threat that can be piper'd in as well as serve as yet another way of powering out a turn 1 lockpiece. Plus all green opens up Norwood Priestess instead of Champion of Rhonas as Pipers 5-8 that don't have the downside of being ugly-ass new card face crap.

And although Apes > Elves, one of the most fun things to do in stompy bucketpiles is to beat down your opponent for 8+ turns with a 2/2 for 3. As such, I'd recommend Elvish Spirit Guide.

[jasper]

+1 for unplayable chunderbucket piles with chalice

I feel like Thorn is a bit underwhelming here and Trinisphere might serve you better. I would also consider running Chrome Mox over Mox Diamond, and second the Elvish Spirit Guide suggestion.

I also feel like Summoner's Pact is a bit awkward—have you considered a Living Wish package instead? Means you don't have to run uncastable fatties in the maindeck, too.

This also doesn't look like a Wasteland deck to me—I'd probably suggest cutting them (and the Ghost Quarter) in favour of 3 more City of Traitors. You probably don't need the black splash for the sideboard cards, and if you do I'd lean more into it and play some discard.

Also for maximum chunderbucket points Choke should definitely be in the maindeck.

[kinda]

+1 for unplayable chunderbucket piles with chalice

I feel like Thorn is a bit underwhelming here and Trinisphere might serve you better. I would also consider running Chrome Mox over Mox Diamond, and second the Elvish Spirit Guide suggestion.

I also feel like Summoner's Pact is a bit awkward—have you considered a Living Wish package instead? Means you don't have to run uncastable fatties in the maindeck, too.

This also doesn't look like a Wasteland deck to me—I'd probably suggest cutting them (and the Ghost Quarter) in favour of 3 more City of Traitors. You probably don't need the black splash for the sideboard cards, and if you do I'd lean more into it and play some discard.

Also for maximum chunderbucket points Choke should definitely be in the maindeck.

Well...on thorn I went 2-1 against the decks that care about thorn (2x Canadian thresh/grixis control). But in our ridiculous proxy event meta I ran into slivers/nic fit/breakfast which dont care about thorn and went 0-3 vs them. Also the whole point of the deck is to reveal chancellor and then jam a turn one lock piece :cool:.

Living wish and chrome mox over pact and mox diamond definitely.

[non-inflammable]

I ran into slivers/nic fit/breakfast which dont care about thorn and went 0-3 vs them. Also the whole point of the deck is to reveal chancellor and then jam a turn one lock piece :cool:.

Living wish and chrome mox over pact and mox diamond definitely.


what lock piece would you have wanted against ^^ decks?
with living wish you should run the stage/depths combo.

[jasper]

Well...on thorn I went 2-1 against the decks that care about thorn (2x Canadian thresh/grixis control). But in our ridiculous proxy event meta I ran into slivers/nic fit/breakfast which dont care about thorn and went 0-3 vs them. Also the whole point of the deck is to reveal chancellor and then jam a turn one lock piece :cool:.

Living wish and chrome mox over pact and mox diamond definitely.

Hm, I take your point regarding jamming a disruptive card on turn 1, although I guess my point is that I'm not sure Thorn is really a lock piece as such. But if it *is* doing the job you want it to I suppose that's semantics.

Another point I would make is that it's not like Chancellor does nothing if you don't cast your lock piece on turn 1; it's still disruptive. Otherwise the whole idea would be scuppered just by being on the draw.

[kinda]

what lock piece would you have wanted against ^^ decks?
with living wish you should run the stage/depths combo.

Humility! But it's excellent vs me too...:cry:. Depths is bad vs dnt which is the most popular deck that doesn't care about thorn. I think vs other thorn (thalia)/chalice decks we just need to race. Plague in the board is the best I've come up with.

@jasper: how is thorn not a lock piece?? Yeah chancellor is good tempo.

[kinda]

We did it lads! Deck tech in the London Legacy Monthly report at the end. https://thelibraryatpendrellvale.com/london-legacy-monthly-september-2/.

[Ronald Deuce]

We did it lads! Deck tech in the London Legacy Monthly report at the end. https://thelibraryatpendrellvale.com/london-legacy-monthly-september-2/.

Sir, I owe you a handshake.

They even kept the title intact.

[kinda]

Sir, I owe you a handshake.

They even kept the title intact.

:cool:

I might run it back in this month's event with the changes discussed here...

[Bahra]

This deck actually has some pretty sweet (powerful) things going on. I 4-1'd my first league with a pretty suboptimal list, and now I'm 2-0. Played against elves and miracles in this league.

List:

https://i.imgur.com/GYAP1rF.jpg

[non-inflammable]

This deck actually has some pretty sweet (powerful) things going on. I 4-1'd my first league with a pretty suboptimal list, and now I'm 2-0. Played against elves and miracles in this league.

Love it; I'm missing only 5 cards from your list and 3 choke MD is spicy...

[kinda]

This deck actually has some pretty sweet (powerful) things going on. I 4-1'd my first league with a pretty suboptimal list, and now I'm 2-0. Played against elves and miracles in this league.

List:

https://i.imgur.com/GYAP1rF.jpg

Excellent work!

[Barook]

Seeing the deck in action on Julian's stream was exciting. How has the red splash been so far?

That said, I wonder if not playing Lightning Greaves is the right call. There seems to be alot of downtime before an actual fatty comes down to swing.

[kinda]

Seeing the deck in action on Julian's stream was exciting. How has the red splash been so far?

That said, I wonder if not playing Lightning Greaves is the right call. There seems to be alot of downtime before an actual fatty comes down to swing.

Is there a replay link?

[Barook]

Is there a replay link?
Starts around 02:45:00 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/328180236)

[kinda]

Bahra, do you have a suggested list now?

[morgan_coke]

@bahra

I had most of the stuff for your list, so I gave it a spin on MTGO. I don't have either City of Traitors or Cavern of Souls, so I replaced them with 4x Wasteland, 2x Geier Reach Sanitarium, and 1x Forest. Sanitarium and Wasteland have both been so great I don't know that I'd want to change them back.

The deck is really dependent on the opening hand, it's kind of like Belcher in that way. Tons of fun though. Feels strong. Prison + Clock with some tutorable answers via Wish is alright. I do wonder about pulling the Choke's for Ramunap Excavators, or possibly running some number of Green Suns Zeniths instead of so many copies of Piper/Priestess/Champion.

Definitely the foundation for a very strong deck though.

[kinda]

I think we need a discord. Anyone know how to set one up?

[bruizar]

I think this deck is a blast. I don't think I would go for the green plan, but you've identified a very nice synergy that I think has great potential.

This would be my core:


4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Serum Powder
4 Chrome Mox

And 4 Spheres, depending on the direction (Creatureless, creatures)

The four existing decks that this could go in to are:
Dragon Stompy - Backbreaking turn 1 openers of blood moon and chalice
Angel Stompy - Lets you utilize the white mana from Chancellor-imprinted Chrome Mox and capitalizes on the tempo/disruption with pressure
MUD - Quickly resolve a Metalworker or Grim Monolith to power out game ending threats. Notoriously mulligan sensitive deck

Perhaps there are other routes, such as Modern's Equipment Storm. A white artifact deck with Sram, Senior Edificer, Puresteel Paladin and 0 mana equipments spells, but I don't think that is necessary per se. Affinity also seems like a worthwhile direction because it can translate the tempo swing into a quick finish.

Artifacts are pretty much hated on between Abrade, Trashmaster and that new Ravnica Goblin.

[kinda]

Interesting, got a list?

[Megadeus]

I've seen this thread getting some posts recently and just ignored it until I just clicked it out of interest. I'm liking this. It's terrible in all of the right ways

[bruizar]

Interesting, got a list?

Well, not really. But I'd try to maximize game ending turn one plays. Perhaps something like this

4 Plateau
4 Arid Mesa
3 Windswept Heath
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Plains
4 Serum Powder
4 Chrome Mox

4 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Blood Moon
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide

4 Thalia, Guardian Of Thraben
4 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Palace Jailer


Optimized to cast turn 1 Thalia, Thorn, Moon or Chalice. Disclaimer: Not saying at all this is remotely the best direction to take it.

[morgan_coke]

Well, not really. But I'd try to maximize game ending turn one plays. Perhaps something like this

4 Plateau
4 Arid Mesa
3 Windswept Heath
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Plains
4 Serum Powder
4 Chrome Mox

4 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Blood Moon
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide

4 Thalia, Guardian Of Thraben
4 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Palace Jailer


Optimized to cast turn 1 Thalia, Thorn, Moon or Chalice. Disclaimer: Not saying at all this is remotely the best direction to take it.

If you go Red/White I think you've got to include Nahiri. She's just so good in these kinds of decks.

[kinda]

If you go Red/White I think you've got to include Nahiri. She's just so good in these kinds of decks.

Would need to go a different direction than thalia plus thorn though.

[FTW]

This is the most playable chunderbucket pile on this page so far, especially the monogreen 8 Chancellors build with Living Wish.

Chancellors + Living Wish is a brilliant way to both have a high density and variety of threats while still running a high density of cards relevant in turns 1-2, so you can be interactive and aren't stuck with too many slow dead cards. Has anyone else tested that build?

Also Choke + Trinisphere FTW.

[morgan_coke]

This is the most playable chunderbucket pile on this page so far, especially the monogreen 8 Chancellors build with Living Wish.

Chancellors + Living Wish is a brilliant way to both have a high density and variety of threats while still running a high density of cards relevant in turns 1-2, so you can be interactive and aren't stuck with too many slow dead cards. Has anyone else tested that build?

Also Choke + Trinisphere FTW.

Yes, strong but inconsistent. Incredibly dependent on opening hand + 1st 2 or 3 draws.

[kinda]

Yes, strong but inconsistent. Incredibly dependent on opening hand + 1st 2 or 3 draws.

This is true for every deck not running cantrips.

[kinda]

It’s not quite ucp but honorary mention to this guy: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=20714&d=336599&f=LE .

1 [XLN] Search for Azcanta
1 [5E] Sylvan Library
1 [FD] Engineered Explosives
1 [EMN] Liliana, the Last Hope
1 [ISD] Liliana of the Veil
1 [RAV] Life from the Loam
1 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith
1 [C13] Toxic Deluge
1 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
1 [TE] Intuition
1 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 [] Assassin's Trophy
2 [FE] Hymn to Tourach
4 [SH] Mox Diamond
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
1 [C15] Centaur Vinecrasher
1 [BNG] Courser of Kruphix
1 [CN2] Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 [HOU] Nimble Obstructionist
1 [HOU] Ramunap Excavator
1 [SOI] The Gitrog Monster
4 [C16] Baleful Strix
1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
1 [OD] Cabal Pit
1 [OD] Cephalid Coliseum
1 [WWK] Creeping Tar Pit
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
1 [RTR] Forest
1 [AKH] Fetid Pools
1 [R] Tropical Island
1 [M15] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 [R] Underground Sea
1 [RTR] Swamp
1 [C15] Ghost Quarter
3 [R] Bayou
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
SB: 1 [TE] Diabolic Edict
SB: 1 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 1 [8E] Ensnaring Bridge
SB: 1 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 1 [C15] Golgari Charm
SB: 1 [AL] Helm of Obedience
SB: 1 [AKH] Lay Bare the Heart
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 1 [] Reclamation Sage
SB: 1 [] Damping Sphere
SB: 1 [5E] Tsunami
SB: 1 [C16] Scavenging Ooze

[kinda]

Orim67 was streaming UCP. List is close to Bahra's. He went 4-1 in a league yesterday apparently.

https://clips.twitch.tv/AgileLongMonitorFloof

[non-inflammable]

i'm gonna play this tonight, i've dubbed it the "pretty hate machine".
someone expressed the interest to play the new london mulligan rule. we'll see how that works out...


2 phyrexian revoker
3 vryn Wingmare
2 exalted angel
1 sanctum prelate
2 recruiter of the guard
4 ethersworn canonist
3 thalia, heretic cathar
4 thalia, guardian of thraben
1 palace jailer
4 chancellor of the annex

4 suppression field

4 chalice of the void
4 chrome mox

10 plains
4 city of traitors
4 ancient tomb
4 cavern of souls

4 ensnaring bridge
1 containment priest
2 council's judgment
1 karakas
1 leonin relic-warder
1 faerie macabre
4 leyline of the void
1 cataclysm

[apple713]

i'm gonna play this tonight, i've dubbed it the "pretty hate machine".
someone expressed the interest to play the new london mulligan rule. we'll see how that works out...


2 phyrexian revoker
3 vryn Wingmare
2 exalted angel
1 sanctum prelate
2 recruiter of the guard
4 ethersworn canonist
3 thalia, heretic cathar
4 thalia, guardian of thraben
1 palace jailer
4 chancellor of the annex

4 suppression field

4 chalice of the void
4 chrome mox

10 plains
4 city of traitors
4 ancient tomb
4 cavern of souls

4 ensnaring bridge
1 containment priest
2 council's judgment
1 karakas
1 leonin relic-warder
1 faerie macabre
4 leyline of the void
1 cataclysm




Tsabo’s Web fits perfectly with thalia. Its a fantastic card Ive always wantedto use but never had the chance. Maybe you can make it great... for the first time ever.

[kinda]

i'm gonna play this tonight, i've dubbed it the "pretty hate machine".
someone expressed the interest to play the new london mulligan rule. we'll see how that works out...


2 phyrexian revoker
3 vryn Wingmare
2 exalted angel
1 sanctum prelate
2 recruiter of the guard
4 ethersworn canonist
3 thalia, heretic cathar
4 thalia, guardian of thraben
1 palace jailer
4 chancellor of the annex

4 suppression field

4 chalice of the void
4 chrome mox

10 plains
4 city of traitors
4 ancient tomb
4 cavern of souls

4 ensnaring bridge
1 containment priest
2 council's judgment
1 karakas
1 leonin relic-warder
1 faerie macabre
4 leyline of the void
1 cataclysm



Good luck, write up a report if you get time! I feel like the new mulligan rule will really help this deck.

[kinda]

I wasn't able to print out living wishes to run Bahra/Orim67's version (proxy tournament) ...so this morning I decided to splash blue for show and tell.

Started out well 2-1...but then the wheels fell off the bus. Beat stone blade and turbo depths. Lost to dnt twice and lands twice. Dnt felt terrible, my show and tell always met Palace jailer or karakas. I feel like living wish is really important for us but not sure how to win this one :cry:.


4 ancient tomb
2 city of traitors
1 cavern of souls
8 green fetches
2 tropical island
2 forest

4 lotus petal
4 chrome mox

4 elvish Piper
4 champion of rhonas
4 show and tell
4 chancellor of the annex
2 chancellor of the tangle
4 griselbrand
2 Emrakul, the aeons torn
4 chalice of the void
3 trinisphere
2 sylvan library

SB:
4 leyline of the void
2 faerie macabre
2 boseiju, who shelters all
2 terrastodon
1 wreck sage
2 choke
2 lightning Greaves

[non-inflammable]

Good luck, write up a report if you get time! I feel like the new mulligan rule will really help this deck.

i went 0-3 drop but had fun and the new mulligan felt great...

lost 1-2 against burn but would've absolutely won game three if i had sequenced better.
lost 0-2 against D&T but not going first into an aether vial sucked. probably a bad match-up.
lost 1-2 against grixis control. each loss was close until he cast kolaghan's command.

deck was fun but wildly inconsistent, like drawing multiple suppression fields against burn is basically an auto loss.
i did get a turn 0 scoop against the grixis player with a turn 1 suppression field and chancellor back-up; he only had fetches in hand.

[kinda]

i did get a turn 0 scoop against the grixis player with a turn 1 suppression field and chancellor back-up; he only had fetches in hand.

:laugh: good work! This is why the deck exists.

[tescrin]

Tsabo’s Web fits perfectly with thalia. Its a fantastic card Ive always wantedto use but never had the chance. Maybe you can make it great... for the first time ever.

Side note: It's actually pretty good anyway against D&T, Lands, and Depths to a lesser degree. I actually keep a couple in my side to GOTCHA depth's players when they tap a Stage for something else or urborg-tap their depths and stuff. Just depends if you have any issues with those MUs or not.


i went 0-3 drop but had fun and the new mulligan felt great...

lost 1-2 against burn but would've absolutely won game three if i had sequenced better.
lost 0-2 against D&T but not going first into an aether vial sucked. probably a bad match-up.
Yeah, Burn is bad and so is D&T; but D&T is much more managable if you're running Suppression Field (which I was not when I ran something like this.)

[kinda]

Side note: It's actually pretty good anyway against D&T, Lands, and Depths to a lesser degree. I actually keep a couple in my side to GOTCHA depth's players when they tap a Stage for something else or urborg-tap their depths and stuff. Just depends if you have any issues with those MUs or not.


Yeah, Burn is bad and so is D&T; but D&T is much more managable if you're running Suppression Field (which I was not when I ran something like this.)

List...?

[non-inflammable]

Well, not really. But I'd try to maximize game ending turn one plays. Perhaps something like this

4 Plateau
4 Arid Mesa
3 Windswept Heath
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Plains
4 Chrome Mox

4 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Blood Moon
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Simian Spirit Guide

4 Thalia, Guardian Of Thraben
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Palace Jailer
1 Brightling


Optimized to cast turn 1 Thalia, Thorn, Moon or Chalice. Disclaimer: Not saying at all this is remotely the best direction to take it.


running this tonight...

[kinda]

running this tonight...

Nice! Report?

[non-inflammable]

Nice! Report?

sadly, i went 1-3 and scrubbed out.

2-0 storm
0-2 delver
1-2 BR reanimator
1-2 maverick

match 1 against storm and it was a slaughter; got it 2-0 in minutes.
match 2 against delver/blue stew but without chancellor back-up, my turn one chalice was forced and then i died to a flipped delver.
game 2 was interesting in that i kept a no-land hand for chrome mox, chrome mox, chalice on 1 which promptly met an engineered explosives.
match 3 was against BR reanimator and he had chancellor every single game. this delay allowed him to thoughtseize me every turn one.
match 4 was against maverick mid-range that laughed at my turn 1 plays and the only game i won was a turn one bloodmoon, since he couldn't fetch.


I'm gonna try bahra's list (with 2x lightning greaves) but getting 2x norwood priestess requires "some" effort.
i have 16 cards in the sideboard 'cause i want the dark depths combo available. i might have to drop terastodon.


2x wooded foothills
2x windswept heath
5x forest
3x cavern of souls
4x ancient tomb
4x city of traitors

1x sylvan library
4x champion of rhonas
3x elvish piper
2x norwood priestess
4x elvish spirit guide
4x living wish
4x chancellor of the tangle

4x chancellor of the annex

4x chalice of the void
4x chrome mox
4x trinisphere
2x lightning greaves



16

1x karakas
1x thespians' stage
1x dark depths
1x bojuka bog
1x the tabernacle at pendrell vale

4x leyline of the void

1x faerie macabre
1x elvish piper
1x thragtusk
1x terastodon
1x reclamation sage
1x progenitus
1x emrakul, the aeons torn




EDIT: went 0-4. i only got the "combo" once and most decks can just go around or over chalice at 1
every single game, my opening hand had either a chalice or trinisphere, but i only won one game.

A+B combo is hard to assemble without cantrips and is worse when you're not applying pressure as you try to draw into your combo.

RW painter thought my chalices were annoying
BR reanimator also had chancellor triggers that slowed me just enough
UB Tezzerator thought my chalice on 1 was cute
grixis delver just powered out a gurmag angler

final thoughts: anyone that thinks chalice should be banned is probably a brainstorm shill

[kinda]

Cool, Bahra's list is solid. Hope you get some good luck. Why is dark depths in the board? You would need to draw two wishes right?

[kinda]

Science is on our side! Courtesy of cfb: https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-london-mulligan-rule-mathematically-benefits-strategies-that-rely-on-specific-cards/?_ga=2.34278050.2043650259.1552539273-1383732903.1512614613.

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I'd like to resurrect this including arcane artisan now. My list below is otherwise close to Bahra's list on pg 2. I didn't have SNT/Jin-G in originally but needed more blue for chrome mox to try to T1 artisan.


4 chancellor of the annex
4 chancellor of the tangle
4 living wish
1 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur

4 arcane artisan
4 elvish piper
3 champion of rhonas

4 chalice of the void
4 trinisphere
3 Once upon a time
3 Oko, thief of crowns

4 chrome mox
4 ancient tomb
2 city of traitors
2 cavern of souls
3 tropical island
2 forest
1 island
4 misty rainforest

SB
1 faerie macabre
3 gravedigger's cage
2 brazen borrower
1 collector ouphe
1 questing beast
2 shifting ceratops
1 champion of rhonas
1 emrakul, the aeons torn
1 progenitus
1 karakas
1 tabernacle

[FTW]

Is playing 15 maindeck Pipers better than just running some Questing Beast as an alternate win (with 10-12 Piper effects)?

Also what's the point of this 10-mana weenie that doesn't fly or have lifelink?

You may want to reconsider Choke when 60% of your colored lands are Islands...
You: Tap Forest and Tomb to play Choke, with Tropical Island untapped.
Opponent: Daze, returning tapped Volcanic Island
What do you even do here? Is it even worth paying for Daze?

[kinda]

Is playing 15 maindeck Pipers better than just running some Questing Beast as an alternate win (with 10-12 Piper effects)?

Also what's the point of this 10-mana weenie that doesn't fly or have lifelink?

You may want to reconsider Choke when 60% of your colored lands are Islands...
You: Tap Forest and Tomb to play Choke, with Tropical Island untapped.
Opponent: Daze, returning tapped Volcanic Island
What do you even do here? Is it even worth paying for Daze?

I'm sold on snt in here but the pipers tend to die when I've played this...but when they don't u win. I think the redundancy is worth it. But I'm definitely not sold on snt. I considered oko. Questing is possible too or gsz or shifting.

It's blue for chalice lol.

Good point on choke...ill cut it.

[Anomalous__]

so this just bad sneak&breach?

[kinda]

so this just bad sneak&breach?

It's very different to sneak and skill. The goal is to get a turn one lock piece or threat protected by a revealed chancellor. Then you run the suite of reusable one-sided show and tells to dump your fatties into play.

[FTW]

Once Upon a Time and Griselbrand seem good here.

One of the biggest weakness of Chalice decks is variance due to lack of card draw/card selection. Since both your enablers and threats are creatures (unlike in EurekaTell), OUAT seems strong here. Griselbrand just because... cheating anything else out feels ike you're not cheating enough


//Mana: 22
4 Chrome Mox
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Prismatic Vista
2 Tropical Island
2 Snow-Covered Forest
2 Snow-Covered Island

//Fair Creatures: 12
4 Griselbrand
4 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Chancellor of the Tangle

//Elvish Pipers: 10
4 Arcane Artisan
4 Champion of Rhonas
2 Eureka

//Fair Permanents: 10
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
2 Sylvan Library

//Other Spells: 6
3 Once Upon a Time
3 Living Wish

//Sideboard: 15
3 Defense Grid
2 Oko, Thief of Crowns
1 Living Wish
1 Collector Ouphe
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Elvish Piper
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Ashen Rider
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Karakas

[kinda]

Ewlandon on twitch played this deck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzc_xkor1g .

[FTW]

Ewlandon on twitch played this deck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzc_xkor1g .

I agree with his commentary... I don't get the Jin-Gitaxias. Griselbrand seems amazing in this deck.

[kinda]

I agree with his commentary... I don't get the Jin-Gitaxias. Griselbrand seems amazing in this deck.

Agreed, think two md grizzly plus one in the SB is needed.

[kinda]

ThrabenU went 4-1! GU version with Griselbrand this time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNwXgbZjEdg . Jerry Mee was the round 2 opponent and he posted a picture in the Leaving a Legacy fb group after Phil got a turn 1 3sphere protected by chancellor, pretty funny.

[kinda]

Not sure how to port this into the companion world...but possibly with Keruga the Macrosage. He works pretty well with the leylines, draws cards from them.


4 leyline of the void
4 leyline of sanctity
4 leyline of lifeforce
4 trinisphere
4 Elvish piper
4 champion of rhonas
4 chancellor of the annex
2 griselbrand
4 Karn TGC
4 Elvish Spirit Guide

3 serras sanctum
1 karakas
4 ancient tomb
3 City of traitors
12 Lands

SB:
1 Keruga, the Macrosage
1 Helm of obedience
1 wurmcoil engine
1 sphinx of the steel wind
1 inkwell leviathan
1 summoner's egg
1 mycosynth lattice
4 force of vigor
4 dismember

[FTW]

The 12 Leylines are too cute, not enough value or synergy with the main plan. I played Leylines.dec enough to know that Serra's Sanctum doesn't even function as a consistent Sol Land with only 12 Leylines in the deck. It's not worth it. The deck is better without a conditional land. Leyline of Lifeforce protects the combo, so it might be OK.

LotV could work in the main if you have Helm combo. It could be good in this meta as Lurrus hate and combo hate.

Where's Chancellor of the Tangle? It helps Turn 1 Trinisphere and gives you important bodies to deploy. Otherwise you have too few creature payoffs.

Maybe...


//Creatures: 20
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Arcane Artisan
4 Champion of Rhonas
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Chancellor of the Annex

//Planeswalkers: 6
2 Oko, Thief of Crowns
4 Karn, the Great Creator

//Artifacts: 7
4 Trinisphere
3 Tangle Wire

//Enchantments: 8
4 Leyline of Lifeforce
4 Leyline of the Void

//Lands: 19
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Prismatic Vista
1 Tropical Island
1 Snow-Covered Island
3 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Karakas

//Sideboard: 15
1 Keruga, the Macrosage
1 Helm of Obedience
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Summoner's Egg
3 Choke
3 Force of Vigor
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Questing Beast


The blue splash gives Arcane Artisan, which both seems better than Piper and comes down a turn earlier. You also get Oko as a way to interact with early permanents on the board. Another blue card to consider is Propaganda, to slow them down and buy you time.

Without Chalice this deck loses a lot of early game disruption, so I added Tangle Wire to slow down fast decks. Oko can Elk dying Tangle Wires for extra synergy.

I included some creatures to just hardcast in games when the engine doesn't work.

Choke is one of the best 3 cmc reasons to be in Green and should be in any version of this.

[kinda]

The 12 Leylines are too cute, not enough value or synergy with the main plan. I played Leylines.dec enough to know that Serra's Sanctum doesn't even function as a consistent Sol Land with only 12 Leylines in the deck. It's not worth it. The deck is better without a conditional land. Leyline of Lifeforce protects the combo, so it might be OK.

LotV could work in the main if you have Helm combo. It could be good in this meta as Lurrus hate and combo hate.

Where's Chancellor of the Tangle? It helps Turn 1 Trinisphere and gives you important bodies to deploy. Otherwise you have too few creature payoffs.

Maybe...


//Creatures: 20
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Arcane Artisan
4 Champion of Rhonas
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Chancellor of the Annex

//Planeswalkers: 6
2 Oko, Thief of Crowns
4 Karn, the Great Creator

//Artifacts: 7
4 Trinisphere
3 Tangle Wire

//Enchantments: 8
4 Leyline of Lifeforce
4 Leyline of the Void

//Lands: 19
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Prismatic Vista
1 Tropical Island
1 Snow-Covered Island
3 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Karakas

//Sideboard: 15
1 Keruga, the Macrosage
1 Helm of Obedience
1 Mycosynth Lattice
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Summoner's Egg
3 Choke
3 Force of Vigor
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Questing Beast


The blue splash gives Arcane Artisan, which both seems better than Piper and comes down a turn earlier. You also get Oko as a way to interact with early permanents on the board. Another blue card to consider is Propaganda, to slow them down and buy you time.

Without Chalice this deck loses a lot of early game disruption, so I added Tangle Wire to slow down fast decks. Oko can Elk dying Tangle Wires for extra synergy.

I included some creatures to just hardcast in games when the engine doesn't work.

Choke is one of the best 3 cmc reasons to be in Green and should be in any version of this.

This looks sweet. Might cut the wires for more lands though.

[FTW]

Revisiting this idea as well, with Keruga


Unplayable Chunderbucket Pile, but with Hippos!


//Companion: 1
1 Keruga, the Macrosage

//Mana: 30
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Forest

//Enchantments: 11
3 Choke
4 Leyline of Lifeforce
4 Court of Bounty

//Artifacts: 4
4 Trinisphere

//Creatures: 15
4 Champion of Rhonas
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Chancellor of the Annex
3 Griselbrand

//Sideboard: 14
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Questing Beast
3 Tangle Wire
2 Reclamation Sage
2 Force of Vigor



Court of Bounty is a huge upgrade to the fragile Elvish Piper and can be protected from aggro postboard via Tangle Wire, letting you still draw cards and play free creatures while everyone is tapped out.

[kinda]

Revisiting this idea as well, with Keruga


Unplayable Chunderbucket Pile, but with Hippos!


//Companion: 1
1 Keruga, the Macrosage

//Mana: 30
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Forest

//Enchantments: 11
3 Choke
4 Leyline of Lifeforce
4 Court of Bounty

//Artifacts: 4
4 Trinisphere

//Creatures: 15
4 Champion of Rhonas
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Chancellor of the Annex
3 Griselbrand

//Sideboard: 14
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Questing Beast
3 Tangle Wire
2 Reclamation Sage
2 Force of Vigor



Court of Bounty is a huge upgrade to the fragile Elvish Piper and can be protected from aggro postboard via Tangle Wire, letting you still draw cards and play free creatures while everyone is tapped out.

This looks strong but I'd go RG and run blood sun over leyline (or moon if the mana could work). Or just piper over leyline, the redundancy > the protection since it helps vs bolt etc. too. I'd also plan to SB out court vs delver for chalices or Bonecrushers.

[chunderbucket]

Here is my latest pile, also known as fuckblue.dec

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
4 Chrome Mox
4 Allosaurus Shepherd
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
2 Reclamation Sage
2 Carnage Tyrant
4 Choke
4 Veil of Summer
4 Once Upon a Time
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
8 Forest
4 Turntimber Symbiosis

Sideboard

2 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Questing Beast
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Force of Vigor
3 Tangle Wire

Allosaurus Shepherd interacts so nicely with Chalice.

[FTW]

Needs more actual threats other than stalling till 7 mana.

Green Sun's Zenith seems very strong when uncounterable or hiding behind 3sphere. So does Natural Order.

PfukkBloo.dec


//Mana: 28
4 Chrome Mox
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Turntimber Symbiosis
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
7 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor

//Prison: 11
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
3 Choke

//Card Selection: 7
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Once Upon A Time

//Creatures: 14
4 Allosaurus Shepherd
1 Collector Ouphe
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Shifting Ceratops
4 Questing Beast
2 Carnage Tyrant

//Sideboard: 15
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Thought-Knot Seer
3 Tangle Wire
2 Force of Vigor
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Thrun, the Last Troll

[chunderbucket]

In my experience it doesn't really matter much with what you beat them up when you have locked them with uncounterable Choke or Trinisphere with Veil backup. But ok, I guess I can open up a toolbox:

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
4 Chrome Mox
4 Allosaurus Shepherd
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Choke
4 Veil of Summer
4 Once Upon a Time
1 Green Sun Zenith
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Shifting Triceratops
1 Scavenging Ooze

1 Dryad Arbor
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
7 Forest
4 Turntimber Symbiosis

I insist on keeping 4 Veil, and 4 Spirit Guides to fuck over their Dazes or pitching them to Veil. I don't care that this folds to D&T and Moon Stompy and Maverick and Depths and Hogaak, it's about sending a message.

[kinda]

In my experience it doesn't really matter much with what you beat them up when you have locked them with uncounterable Choke or Trinisphere with Veil backup. But ok, I guess I can open up a toolbox:

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
4 Chrome Mox
4 Allosaurus Shepherd
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Choke
4 Veil of Summer
4 Once Upon a Time
1 Green Sun Zenith
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Shifting Triceratops
1 Scavenging Ooze

1 Dryad Arbor
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
7 Forest
4 Turntimber Symbiosis

I insist on keeping 4 Veil, and 4 Spirit Guides to fuck over their Dazes or pitching them to Veil. I don't care that this folds to D&T and Moon Stompy and Maverick and Depths and Hogaak, it's about sending a message.

I think you're missing some of the steps in this deck required to get some wins. I'd check out this video of the deck going 4-1: https://youtu.be/cNwXgbZjEdg.

[FTW]

I think you're missing some of the steps in this deck required to get some wins. I'd check out this video of the deck going 4-1: https://youtu.be/cNwXgbZjEdg.

He is the inventor of the deck...
Edit: Or maybe not. You started the thread. I assumed from his username this was his brew before.

That said, yeah I agree he's cut down too many win conditions. The problem is if you don't follow up the disruption with a threat then a single Snapcaster Mage, Brazen Borrower, or pair of Baleful Strix might just kill you before you topdeck into 7 mana. Chalice decks can notoriously lose after sticking all their pieces if they can't also make a clock. It doesn't really matter what the threat is, but you need a threat. His list looks too light. Just adding more Zeniths or a set of Questing Beasts should speed it up a lot.

[chunderbucket]

I didn't invent the deck, it just inspired me to register on this forum lol. I think many of us share this childish drive to crap on cantrip decks with dumb green timmy piles.

I agree the deck could use some more threats, but they should be easy enough to find between OuaT and 1-2 GSZ. 7 mana is also not that hard to come by with all those sources. And don't forget the Shepherd themselves can be threats in a pinch. I was also thinking of fitting a Kogla instead of Tyrant/Rec sage, though I guess Rec Sage can still be crucial against a Bridge or a Moat. Shifting Triceratops also looks better than Questing Beast.

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
4 Chrome Mox
4 Allosaurus Shepherd
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Choke
4 Veil of Summer
4 Once Upon a Time
1 Green Sun Zenith
1 Kogla, the Titan Ape
1 Shifting Triceratops
1 Scavenging Ooze

1 Dryad Arbor
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
6 Forest
1 Karakas
4 Turntimber Symbiosis

SB: 4 Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 Force of Vigor
SB: 3 Questing Beast
SB: 3 Tangle Wire
SB: 2 Thought-Knot Seer

I guess you could cut a choke and a trinisphere or a veil to make way for more gsz or another creature toolbox, I don't know. I'd rather start from the most streamlined deck and then make adjustments from there.

[FTW]

My mistake. I didn't know this deck's origin before TheSource.

Having played decks like this a lot, you often get stuck at 3-4 mana. 6-7 can take a long time even with OUAT. The nature of ESG, Chancellor, City (sacrifices), Mox (card disadvantage), and mulliganing into hate make it easy to hit 3 but hard to accumulate to high mana. Stompy decks need business at 3-4 mana.

Shepherd, Chancellor, Carnage Tyrant, Kogla, and Turntimber all require you to hit 6-7 mana to actually do anything. Until then you're just durdling topdecking until you hit lands. That gives even a blue opponent a lot of time to break your prison or kill you with a 2/2 + Tomb damage. Yes, blue decks can still resolve threats through Chalice @ 1 + Trinisphere + Choke + Veil. A 3-mana 2-drop will get there through all of that if you don't have a clock. Especially while Tomb damages you.

Threat density is an issue for stompy prison decks. The goal of the original deck was to convert acceleration (Chancellor of the Tangle) and disruption (Chancellor of the Annex) slots into threat slots using cards like Champion of Rhonas. While it looks janky on paper, and is, it also does something important: gives you business at 4 mana while making better use of the other slots to solve the threat density issue. Living Wish helps that a lot too. In my version, Keruga in the companion zone is your guaranteed access to a card-drawing threat so you can just go heavy on permanent prison cheese. But without all that, you need other business at 4 mana or more tutors.

OUAT doesn't really help because your deck is too light on cheap threats for it to hit one. It's 2-mana to put a land in hand. GSZ helps, but at 1 copy and few low cmc targets it's not enough.

If you really want to hate on blue, go to 4 Shifting Ceratops. It's uncounterable and can't be stopped by cheese like Coatl, Strix, TNN, Decay, Borrower, or Bolt. Thrun, the Last Troll is even trollier.

[kinda]

My mistake. I didn't know this deck's origin before TheSource.


OK, story time! Someone posted in the B&R thread that chalice of the void is propping up a lot of 'unplayable chunderbucket piles'. So, naturally I had to make a deck focused on resolving chalice (hence the chancellor of the annex) that I could call 'Unplayable Chunderbucket Pile'. The elvish piper effects seemed like the natural way to tie those two cards together.

[FTW]

OK, story time! Someone posted in the B&R thread that chalice of the void is propping up a lot of 'unplayable chunderbucket piles'. So, naturally I had to make a deck focused on resolving chalice (hence the chancellor of the annex) that I could call 'Unplayable Chunderbucket Pile'. The elvish piper effects seemed like the natural way to tie those two cards together.

It does fit together well. Elvish Piper is so weak, but now Court of Bounty could be a significant upgrade.
The Living Wish toolbox is good tech too.

Allosaurus Shepherd seems underwhelming on its own unless it's protecting a big GSZ or Natural Order. Otherwise the cards you need to protect the most are Chalice and 3sphere, which it doesn't even protect but Channex does.

[kinda]

I have just found out MTG Remy has gifted us with a theme song a month ago!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW_QNwNbjXw&list=PLt3HR7cu4NMNUoQx1q5ullRMW-ZwosuNl&index=30

[FTW]

Lol.

Howlpack Piper actually looks strong for this deck.

You can also add the green Initiative creature Undermountain Adventurer, which happens to help ramp into the 7-mana Chancellors or Turntimber Symbiosis.

Example: Chunderbucket Reborn

//Lands: 20
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Turntimber Symbiosis
2 Boseiju, Who Endures
5 Forest
1 Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth

//Artifacts: 12
4 Chrome Mox
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere

//Spells: 4
4 Living Wish

//Creatures: 24
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
4 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Howlpack Piper
4 Champion of Rhonas
4 Undermountain Adventurer

//Sideboard: 15
4 Endurance
2 Force of Vigor
1 Collector Ouphe
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Avenging Hunter
1 Elvish Piper
1 Terastodon
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Karakas
1 Bojuka Bog
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale


Something like that? Monogreen's gained a lot of upgrades since you first brewed this deck. Endurance, Force of Vigor, Turntimber Symbiosis, Boseiju, Collector Ouphe, Court of Bounty, Yavimaya, and now a new Piper & Initiative creature.

[kinda]

That looks pretty strong! Yeah, definitely deserves a spin with all the new tech.