Takebacks are now explicitly allowed

[thecrav]

https://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2018/10/01/policy-changes-for-guilds-of-ravnica/


4.8 Reversing Decisions

Players are expected to consider their options before taking an action and players are not usually allowed to take back an action that has been communicated to their opponent, either verbally or physically.

Sometimes, a player will realize that they have made a wrong decision after making a play. If that player has not gained any information since taking the action and they wish to make a different decision, a judge may allow that player to change their mind. Judges must carefully consider whether the player has gained information since making the play that might have affected the decision; in particular, players may not try to use opponent reactions (or lack thereof) to see if they should modify actions they committed to. If the judge cannot be sure no information was gained, they should not allow the decision to be changed.

Examples
1. A player plays an Island and, before anything else happens, says “Sorry, I meant to play a Swamp.”
2. A player says “No blocks” immediately followed by “Wait, no, I block with this creature.”
3. A player says “Go. Wait, land, go.”

[Ace/Homebrew]

https://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2018/10/01/policy-changes-for-guilds-of-ravnica/
Good for them! This is a great decisi... no wait, this seems bad for competitive REL play.

[JackaBo]

I dont like this. Seems like there’s ways to exploit this by reading reaction to as simple things as landdrops

Opponent tundra pass
You play usea watch expression, relieved? Change my mind, waste tundra, go


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[H]

I dont like this. Seems like there’s ways to exploit this by reading reaction to as simple things as landdrops

Opponent tundra pass
You play usea watch expression, relieved? Change my mind, waste tundra, go

That's why you get a Judge involved. And facial expressions are not "information" in game terms.

The change is fine and is more congruent with how things were anyway. The sky isn't falling, this isn't likely to see an increase in angle shooting.

[PirateKing]

Opponent tundra pass
You play usea watch expression, relieved? Change my mind, waste tundra, go

Relieved? Haha jokes on you I've been dead inside for years!

But yeah I'd call a judge as soon as someone tried this out. Get that garbage out of here.

[marshalltj]

I dont like this. Seems like there’s ways to exploit this by reading reaction to as simple things as landdrops

Opponent tundra pass
You play usea watch expression, relieved? Change my mind, waste tundra, go



The way this is implemented this wouldn't happen - what it allows to happen is if you go "Underground S-er no, Wasteland" they will allow that. If you paused to watch your opponent a Judge wouldn't (or I guess shouldn't but depends on how the call goes) allow it.

[FourDogsinaHorseSuit]

I dont like this. Seems like there’s ways to exploit this by reading reaction to as simple things as landdrops

Opponent tundra pass
You play usea watch expression, relieved? Change my mind, waste tundra, go


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This is expressly forbidden.
" players may not try to use opponent reactions (or lack thereof) to see if they should modify actions they committed to."

[JackaBo]

This is expressly forbidden.
" players may not try to use opponent reactions (or lack thereof) to see if they should modify actions they committed to."

Good! Hope it will be easy for judges to separate the rightful from the wrong changes of mind.

[KobeBryan]

Not a bad rule. Sometimes it happens.

As long as there isn't a reliance to that decision, then it is ok.

[Ronald Deuce]

Do you guys actually play paper Magic? People have been known to skip whole steps of the turn in order to fluster people into making bad decisions.